Bulgarian Brigrands fire further or Trebizond Archers?

[hotingzilla]

I seem to find that both the brigands and TAs fire the short bow, however, on the battlefield, TAs do not fire as far the brigands. Does anyone know why?

[Crazed Rabbit]

I believe all foot soldiers armed with bows use the same bow, except for longbowmen. It may be due to some quirk of the battlefield that one seems to be firing further than the other. Height, such as being on top of a hill, does allow archers to fire further.

Hope this helps.

Crazed Rabbit

[Procrustes]

This brings up something that I've been wanting to ask.... What are the effective ranges for the various projectile units? Dartmen, Kerns, Spanish javilins, jinettes, bows, longbows, crossbows, arbelasts, catapults, mounted bows, mounted crossbows, etc. etc. Would be handy to have some idea as to relative ranges - is there a table available?

Many thanks,

[katank]

check projectile stats file.

javs are 1500, naptha 1300, short bow and crossbow 5000, longbow and arbs 6000, handguns 2000, arqs 4000.

arty are usually something like 24000+

[Procrustes]

check projectile stats file.


Thanks!

[Sinner]

Those ranges are only the thresholds that the unit will consider firing, the actual range will depend upon the velocity of the missile & the angle of fire.

If the threshold range is set too high the troops will apparently not fire if they have to move to get inside that range. They will end up in a loop of preparing to fire, the game engine will then predict if the shot is possible and upon finding that the missile will not reach the target it will not actually shoot. At closer ranges they will of course be able to fire as per normal.

Increasing the missile velocity will extend the actual range as opposed to the threshold range, although I recall that whoever tried that for longbows found that they were unable to arc as well, having a flatter trajectory akin to crossbows and arbalests.

[katank]

well, both brigands and treb archers use the short bow so all aspects including threshold range and velocity are the same.

any perceptible advantages should be attributed to things like elevation.

note: parked on a healthy slope, even vanilla archers can outrange longbows!

massed longbows on a slope is just kinda wrong, especially with a decent and durable meat shield.

[eadeater]

Massed longbows on a hill is about as good odds for the attacker as having a machinegun (or a couple) up on the hill. ~D

[katank]

yep, a couple of heavy MGs behind barbed wire and entrenched in a pillbox for that matter

[CaoCao]

Well I have modded the balista into a MG, I, upped itsRoF, ammo and power, I have reduced its turning speed and increased its cost to balence this