Wounded Soldiers - and They Can Be Healed

[Barkhorn1x]

According to Captn. Fishpants (MikeB at the .COM);


We're ahead of you, and this is already done.

This is why some Generals can get Physicians and Doctors as members of their retinues. They'll aid recovery of 'dead' soldiers after a battle, so not all casualties are necessarily dead. During the battle they'll be combat ineffective and show up as 'dead', and then afterwards there's a chance that they'll be recovered and added back onto a unit's roster of men.

Now, this is a VERY welcom feature.

Barkhorn.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

According to Captn. Fishpants (MikeB at the .COM);

Quote:
We're ahead of you, and this is already done.

This is why some Generals can get Physicians and Doctors as members of their retinues. They'll aid recovery of 'dead' soldiers after a battle, so not all casualties are necessarily dead. During the battle they'll be combat ineffective and show up as 'dead', and then afterwards there's a chance that they'll be recovered and added back onto a unit's roster of men.


Now, this is a VERY welcom feature.

Barkhorn.

YES!!! AND right from the Capt'n himself! ~:cheers: :pleased:

This can offset one (and only one) slight historical inaccuracy. ~:rolleyes:

But that is all.

Still awesome! ~:cheers: ~:santa:

[Dead Moroz]

Return of the Living Dead. :clown:

[Nelson]

I wonder if the game will report the combat deaths of any notable persons, say governors, as Total War always has for the commander.

So far, we have had to inspect each region each turn to see if any titles were vacated. Quite a chore with a large empire. I'd rather not have to look at every city to see if the boss has crossed the Styx.

[Lonewarrior]

Pretty cool ~:pimp:

[Lucius Lucullus]

Very, very good news indeed.... best news all week as a matter of fact.

[The Wizard]

That's quite a nice feature there. Might lead to confusion amongst us oldskool veterans...

"Huh? I thought that unit was reduced to one and now it's up to full strength again..."

~:p



~Wiz

[Oaty]

YES!!! AND right from the Capt'n himself! ~:cheers: :pleased:

This can offset one (and only one) slight historical inaccuracy. ~:rolleyes:

But that is all.

Still awesome! ~:cheers: ~:santa:



Nope thats not historical accuracy. Historical accuracy would mean there would be a dead list and a wounded list. While the wounded list would get smaller, the dead and army roster would get bigger. Also instead of (p)laying dead on the battlefield, you'd here whines,moans and screams.

Geez Alexander you think the dead coming back to life is historical accuracy ~:joker:

[lonewolf371]

It is if you believe mummies come back to life...

*Looks around room and runs away.*

[CBR]

Thats a nice feature. Always wanted that ~:)


CBR

[The_Emperor]

It is if you believe mummies come back to life...

*Looks around room and runs away.*

Well looks like this feature will be right at home with the Egypt faction... ~:joker:

[Captain Fishpants]

In the after-battle reports you'll get a list of units, how many casualties they took, how many blokes they killed, whether or not they earned any experience, and a total for the number of wounded who have returned to active duty.

Doctors, physicians and other healers in the retinue of the commanding general can help shift people from the 'dead' category to the 'recovered' category. Nothing is guaranteed, though.

Not all healers are available to all factions, by the way. Barbarians will never benefit from the services of a 'chirugeon', for example.

[CBR]

In the after-battle reports you'll get a list of units, how many casualties they took, how many blokes they killed, whether or not they earned any experience, and a total for the number of wounded who have returned to active duty.

Will there be a difference in the numbers that can return to duty depending on winning or losing a battle? Are the numbers different for a unit that has been routed off the battlefield or just a set percentage?


CBR

[crazyviking03]

Wounded? Bah, they are only slowing down my army. Leave them!

[Steppe Merc]

Good, but again, the so called barbarians get slapped in the face. What exactly is a barbarian anyway? Do you mean the Celts, Gauls and Germans?

[Orda Khan]

A barbarian is a Roman ofc ~;) Why can't these ' barbarian ' tribes benefit in other ways, such as through their Shamans?
It's really obvious that all the work has gone into the Romans

....Orda

[The_Emperor]

The Barbarians had betetr be tough after all this... otherwise we might have some serious balance issues.

[Oaty]

Well it could be the Romans had a lot higher recovery rate due to there medical technology. While most other factions probably did not have a good first aid knowledge and there only hope was to lay there and duke it out. Well even though the Romans had hospitals how good were they really at recovery rates. Maybe all factions have a recovery rate but they can do nothing to enhance this such as doctors and hospitals wich would make sense.

[Steppe Merc]

I actually read this in Osprey's book on Celts and Gauls, in that soldiers that fought naked, when they were wounded, they didn't have to worry as much about getting infections from dirty clothing or clothes caught in the wound. So mabye those so called "Naked Fanatics" could have a better healing rate? Of course, I'd still rather be wearing clothing...

[Blodrast]

Another thing, also mentioned in the TC series, is that the blue paint that Gauls and Celts were using (and most likely others) was not just for psychological effect; it also had other properties: it would make sure wounds don't get infected, and possibly help speed up blood coagulation/curdling.
So maybe the "barbarians" are tougher, for balance purposes.

Come on, gang, don't be so pessimistic about balance and all that. You haven't seen the game yet, have you ? ~:cheers:

[Leet Eriksson]

Very welcome feature indeed ~:)

Does that mean there will be other logistics units in the battlefield besides artillery?

[Steppe Merc]

Hmm... it would be interesting to be able to hire "entertainment" for the troops to boost their moral.

[DthB4Dishonour]

I've read in several modern books that roman soldiers had a longer life expectancy that a regular citizen. This could be due to several reasons....first off Romans had surgeons and doctors, dont quite remember what the ratio was but it was a set ratio. Another contributing factor was the roman diet which was fairly balanced. Lastly a cause of this would be there attention to personal hygene including bath houses and and non-stagnant latrines.

[Sjakihata]

What exactly is a barbarian anyway?

barbaros or barbarian in english is someone who doesnt speak understandable, ie. doesn't speak greek.

[Captain Fishpants]

Er, no they don't. Barbarians get a different collection of retinue characters, and this includes a "Wise Woman" who can aid with the wounded.


Good, but again, the so called barbarians get slapped in the face. What exactly is a barbarian anyway? Do you mean the Celts, Gauls and Germans?

[Lord of the Isles]

Er, no they don't. Barbarians get a different collection of retinue characters, and this includes a "Wise Woman" who can aid with the wounded.

Two things, my lord, must thee know of the Wisewoman. First, she is
... a woman, and second, she is ...

[Oaty]

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Er, no they don't. Barbarians get a different collection of retinue characters, and this includes a "Wise Woman" who can aid with the wounded.


So how does that work the wise woman goes in treats the wounded and after she leaves they should have incentive to live? ~:joker:

Sounds good to me

[Steppe Merc]

Thanks for the info, Cap'n.

[afrit]

I wonder how wounded soldiers affect game play.


In MTW right now, there are 3 ways for a defeated army to "survive to fight another day":

1. Withdraw non-routed units from a doomed battle
2. Routed unit soldiers that escaped
3. Ransomed prisoners.

RTW adds a new way:
4. Wounded soldiers who recover.

I think one of MTW's best gameplay features is that you can defeat an army without killing every freakin soldier in it (unlike, say, Starcraft).

I wonder whether the "wounded" mechanism means that units will lose men but continue fighting more often.

Afrit

[crazyviking03]

I am wondering if, say, your army has just fought a battle, and you have wounded. Will the caring of wounded perhaps slow down your army on the campaign map? Perhaps even immobilize it while the wounded are cared for? Just a thought, it would be a cool effect.

[Lucius Lucullus]

I am wondering if, say, your army has just fought a battle, and you have wounded. Will the caring of wounded perhaps slow down your army on the campaign map? Perhaps even immobilize it while the wounded are cared for? Just a thought, it would be a cool effect.

There are no real historical precedances for such an effect. Armies have made grueling marches the day after a battle, especially losing armies. Winning armies might stay on the field for a day or two at most to reorginize things, but they dont have to. Also remember that the turns are six months long.

[AssasinsShadow]

I wonder if the recovery rate will vary depending on the faction. I know that the Romans had amazing medical knowlege at their time. A certain doctor comes to mind...

[Sociopsychoactive]

Great feature, one thing I want to ponder over.

Ok, you can be wounded, lie there looking dead, get recovered after the battle (I'm assuming you only get recovered if you won, that would be logical, maybe ransom the wounded but never let them live).

So can high ranking people, governers, people with command, generals, princes, maybe even the king, get wounded and recover? Can your general, therefore, be 'killed' in battle, and recover afterwards? Assuming you won after his death.

Can you somehow stop this happening to enemy troops? Go around sticking swords in them during the battle of something?

[TCon88]

A very good feature, especially for those more expensive units, may be able to cut down the re-training cost if some of your men are healed and put back in the unit.

[Oleander Ardens]

I really like the feature. Although single "barbarians" had similar chirugical instruments to the the ones used by Roman doctors they weren't up to the organization of the Roman medical system. So I guess it is a fair advantage of ROME...

Cheers

OA