Time Commanders 2 to go Medieval!

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

http://www.liontv.co.uk/

This is huge news. After Rome I very much doubt they'd use Medieval, so surely this will be the first showcase of Medieval 2 using the Rome engine. Imagine all the battles we can look forward to - this will be amazing!

[econ21]

I'm not a modder, but I wonder if it would be relatively easy to use the RTW tactical battles engine but just alter the units to be medieval? In otherwords, I don't think TC2 implies there will a MTW 2.

[Drake]

Odds on its just a mod made by CA for Rome, but hey, at least it proves it exists and could well come soon after Rome. Good news for all then.

[ShadesPanther]

In series 1 they said how easy it is to mod it to any battle they wished.

[ShadesWolf]

This is indeed EXCELLENT news, as it means that my HYW mod will not die, I will simply transfer it onto the Rome engine.

Anybody care to guess at which battles they will select....

Hastings
Agincourt

[USMCNJ]

this is just more proof that the next game is going to be MTW2.

[TonkaToys]

Excellent... any news if Aryeh is back? Can you imagine him...


No, no, no... do not use your peasants to attack their jedi general!
Look at my big medieval cannon balls!
It is only a hill... it is not a magic hill!

~:joker:

[The_Emperor]

Medieval Time Commanders? Woah that is gonna be sooo cool. :knight:

[Tricky Lady]

As long as they bring it on BBC1 or BBC2, then me can watch TC2 too.... yay!
:2thumbsup:

Of course, I could've read the site before posting this. :beam: Yay, it's on BBC2!

[TCon88]

This is excellent new, would like to see the medieval units in full 3D especially the highland clansmen, dont know why, just do.
Actually if you read it correctly it does not say it will be medieval battles, it says " Cult smash Time Commanders will return to BBC2 this autumn with a new series of battles, moving on from the ancient world to include the Mediaeval." ~;p

[EatYerGreens]

moving on from the ancient world to include the Mediaeval."


I was going to do something really silly - like pointing out the spelling error -but I checked the Lion TV page myself and that's where it originally came from, so I now see why you put in in bold and with the ~;p

I'm more used to seeing a "(sic)" placed after howlers of this sort, in a quote, that's all.

Media-evil would have been a more amusing slip o' the keyboard ~;)

[motorhead]

I was going to do something really silly - like pointing out the spelling error -but I checked the Lion TV page myself and that's where it originally came from, so I now see why you put in in bold and with the ~;p

I'm more used to seeing a "(sic)" placed after howlers of this sort, in a quote, that's all.

Media-evil would have been a more amusing slip o' the keyboard ~;)Looked a little bit funny to me too, but i checked it on wordiq.com and it's just a British variant: "The corresponding adjective is spelt medieval in American English (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/American_English) and sometimes mediaeval or mediæval in British English (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/British_English).)"

[Frankymole]

It's actually English English, i.e. as we use it in England. Time Commanders is an English programme. Why do *you* spell it wrong?

[motorhead]

It's actually English English, i.e. as we use it in England. Time Commanders is an English programme. Why do *you* spell it wrong?
If it's "English English" why do you "English" usually prefer to use the non-English English version so much then? Went to bbc.co.uk and did a search on 'medieval' (3998 hits) then 'mediaeval' (373 hits and it asks 'Were you looking for "medieval"?'). Make up yer minds, eh? :rolleyes:

[Frankymole]

I can't answer for bad spelling. I have an A-grade English A-level. The average reading comprehension age in the UK amongst adults is that of an educated 9-year old (BBC results). Spelling is worse thanks to Microsoft spellcheckers (usually defaulting to US Websters ). The game itself uses the American spelling for sales purposes. No biggie. I'm telling you that it is "Mediaeval" - meaning "Media" (middle) "Eval" (age) in English.

[maestro]

He's right, you know, whenver we Enlish folks press F7 we get yankie spelling. I'd never written it like mediaeval and I'm English - maybe I just suck!

[Louis VI the Fat]

On-topic.

Such good news! I'm really looking forward to this new Time Commanders series. Let's not get our hopes up for M:TW2 though - it's all too easy to mod the engine to support medieval battles for us to draw any conclusions yet.


And about medieval/mediaeval:

US English has dropped the 'a' in 'latin' words like gyn(a)ecologist and pr(a)etor. UK English has retained it in some words and abandonded it in others. And just to complicate matters further in their unrelenting effort to make the spelling of UK English the most absurd of all languages, it sometimes will allow both variants. In the case of medieval/mediaeval the latter is considered an accepted variant of the former, but with an archaic feel.

[ah_dut]

woohoo MTW on the rome engine rules ~:) ~:)

[Accounting Troll]

I bet BBC Wales puts on coverage of regional football and rugby matches instead. They've pulled that stunt before ~:mecry:

I think all CA have done was to mod some of the Rome units to look more mediaeval, which presumably means that we can expect some dark age and mediaeval mods appeaing in the next few months. I would expect M:TW2 to be an expansion pack for Rome rather than a seperate game.

[zelda12]

[QUOTE=Accounting Troll]I bet BBC Wales puts on coverage of regional football and rugby matches instead. They've pulled that stunt before ~:mecry:[QUOTE]

Not if they have some battles in wales. Preferably ones in which the welsh win.

Oh yeah and MTW2 will rule. ~:cheers: :scastle: By the way what does the princess emoction mean.

[fester]

I hope this is evidence of MTW2 .It's simply the best time period in history to base a TW game.

[Russ Mitchell]

Jes' out of curiosity, how would one go about trying to get back episodes of Time Commander?

(yank who doesnt' watch tv very often)

[TonkaToys]

Doesn't seem to be available on DVD yet... but I think you can (or could) download it somewhere... wow that was helpful... NOT.

[EatYerGreens]

Yikes,

my apologies for side-tracking this thread into a spelling (UK vs. US vs. M$) debate with what was meant to be a humourous aside. Also my bad for forgetting that the ae bit was, in fact correct all along. Only trouble is I couldn't remember how to get the dipthong character to appear. Some fonts don't have it at all. (Goes off to double-check) Doh! Alt-0230 in Arial æ
Not my day today. (where's the sulk smiley?)
Hmm, even the smileys aren't working for me at the moment. IE is in a permanent loading page state while I type a reply and clicking the smileys fails to update the edit window.

Being totally new to MTW I was slightly taken aback by the sprite-like quality of the troops. Even though STW also uses sprites, they look convincing enough, with shine on the armour making them appear slightly 3D. The MTW ones look almost cartoon-like, by comparison. More colourful, certainly but at the cost of looking like rotating cardboard cut-outs. Early days for me though - I've not reached the stage of getting the more advanced troop types, so I'll see how things pan out.

A mediæval TC series will be well worth a watch and it would be great if a team of TW SP or multiplayer veterans could bluff their way onto a programme by expressing an interest in the show's theme but totally denying any tactical expertise, or knowledge of the game-engine, on their part :D

If the 3D is as good in RTW as it was in the TV series then I'll be very impressed. Mind you, it must demand a shipload of gfx card memory and processor power to render hundreds of copies of such a wide range of textures, not to mention the terrain on top.

I remember the show had occasional close-ups of individual troops in these units (some of which I recognise in the avatars some of use use here). Can this zoom-in be done in RTW? (or is that off-topic for here?)

If not off-topic, am I missing out on an in-battle zoom function in MTW? Given what I've said so far, it can only make unit appearances worse but if it is there, I'd like to know, all the same.

TIA,

[TonkaToys]

If not off-topic, am I missing out on an in-battle zoom function in MTW? Given what I've said so far, it can only make unit appearances worse but if it is there, I'd like to know, all the same.

TIA,

AFAIK, the best you can do is move the camera up and down (try the scrolly thingie on your mouse... whaddayamean you haven't got a scrolly thingie), forward and backward, and left and right.
SO you can kinda zoom in but not to the level of detail that you get in RTW

[_Hector_]

Well i can't wait and see how it's going to play

[Nus]

I'm telling you that it is "Mediaeval" - meaning "Media" (middle) "Eval" (age) in English.

Or even medii (middle) aevii (ages) turned into an English adjective.

There are two mediaeval battles in the new series -- three if you count Belisarius as mediaeval.

[TonkaToys]

Out of interest, Nus, you wouldn't happen to be connected to the series at all... and your intials wouldn't happen to be AN would they?
Just curious.
:thinking2:

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

It'd be fantastic if he really was the Nus man himself! So what battles are in the new series? Sounds like we'll see many new units.

[Nus]

The battles are (not necessarily in the order they'll be shown):

Stamford Bridge
Hastings
Hydaspes
Teutoberger Forest
Dara
Sarmizegethusa
Cynoscephelae
Troy

[TonkaToys]

It'd be fantastic if he really was the Nus man himself! So what battles are in the new series? Sounds like we'll see many new units.
Nus seems to know an awful lot about the whole programme doesn't he!
Well if it is you, Nus, you should get a special Avatar created for you... I'm thinking big barbarian balls or something!
:charge:

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

The battles are (not necessarily in the order they'll be shown):

Stamford Bridge
Hastings
Hydaspes
Teutoberger Forest
Dara
Sarmizegethusa
Cynoscephelae
Troy


Will there only be 8 episodes then? A shame if true. Still, if you are really Mr Nusbacher, on behalf of the entire forum I'd just like to say that you are, in my eyes at least, a legend and it is a privilege having you here. So can we expect new 3D Saxon, Viking and Norman units? And is the lone Berserker present on Stamford Bridge? And is Mike Loades as enthusiastic as that off the air? And finally, is Saul David really the ladies man of the series that he comes across as? ~D Thanks in advance. :medievalcheers:

[Nus]

Will there only be 8 episodes then?

Only eight shows were filmed for this series. Will there be any more? Only the Beeb could say.


... is Mike Loades as enthusiastic as that off the air?

Unquestionably. He also has the coolest Hittite bow ...

Apologies for any questions that go unanswered. The answers to some will be revealed in the fullness of time (i.e. by watching the show in January and February). Some questions are, I assume, rhetorical.

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

Thank you - I very much look forward to seeing these in January/February. I see you left the Saul David one well alone - probably best given the circumstances. ~D

[Despot of the English]

Mike Loades is one heck of a character! Anyone see him on the Peasant's Revolt with Tony Robinson? Enthusiastic to his work as ever ~D . Shame he seemed to pop in and out of the TC series as I really looked forward to his after battle analysis.

[Hurin_Rules]

RE: medieval/mediaeval.

As noted, the word itself is a compound of medium (middle) and aevum (age). In the actual Middle Ages people began to use an e with an accent (called a caudata, like a little comma under the e) to indicate the ae dipthong; sometimes they even left out the caudata. This has raised a debate amongst modern scholars as to whether we should transliterate this as an ae dipthong or just an e. You will often see older texts use the ae, while more recently you'll see it dropped.

[fastspawn]

i don't receive BBC2 here (singapore) is there a way i kind watch them?

[EatYerGreens]

It'd be fantastic if he really was the Nus man himself! So what battles are in the new series? Sounds like we'll see many new units.


'scuse my ignorance but who is "the Nus man himself" supposed to be? One of the series regulars?

I can't remember the names of the military historian experts who appear every week, if that's who you meant. Care to jog my memory?

TIA

[Clips]

Who cares if time commanders is back thats good enough news for me, finally some interesting war programs on tv :P espeically great as it uses total war series interface.

Shame they dont allow clans or experienced players from our totalwar community to join, Im sure all of us could do a better job then some of them guys/girls that go on there every weak and lose horribly :D ~:cheers:

[Ludens]

I can't remember the names of the military historian experts who appear every week, if that's who you meant. Care to jog my memory?
He means Aryeh Nusbacher (though I am afraid I have made a total mess of the spelling. Sorry for this.) Every show there were two historians commenting on the performance of the players, and one of them always was Nusbacher. Mike Loades was the historian who appeared in the first three shows only. He was the one who threw toothpicks at Nusbacher during the replay of the Battle of Watling Street.

[Orda Khan]

No room for Kalka or Liegnitz?? I don't believe it

.......Orda

[Shahed]

any news on this programme ?

[EatYerGreens]

I Googled it and came up with this page (http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/collective/A3601063)

scroll down to the bottom and there are some more conversations there. I didn't stop to read these myself but will do so, when time permits.

[Eternal Champion]

http://www.totalwar.com/time.htm

http://www.totalwar.com/time2.htm

[Shahed]

Thanks a lot guys, but I don't see anything about the medieval battles on those pages. Have I overlooked something ?

[Eternal Champion]

Series two, week seven: Hastings
With the death of Edward the Confessor in 1066 three men claimed the throne

Series two, Week two: Stamford Bridge
The year 1066 is usually remembered for the Battle of Hastings, William the Conqueror, the Bayeux Tapestry and King Harold being shot in the eye. But 1066 was an eventful and significant year besides all that. It saw the death of kings, broken oaths, treachery and the defeat of the last serious Viking invasion of England.

Those dates are pretty close and give a little eye candy

[Mount Suribachi]

Just did a quick search on all posts by Nus, and they are all related to TC, he seems to know an awful lot about that program in advance... ~;)

Welcome sir :bow: I second the motion for a custom avatar.

There was also this little nugget of information


The next series of TC has accepted teams which include gamers, and it will have more familiarisation for the players so that they're not just walking in cold. Whether there will be unity of command or not is still an open question.

Far and away the most annoying thing about TC was the muppets they got for the generals :dizzy2:

And the link to the .com has a couple of screenies from Hastings...

http://www.totalwar.com/images/tc2haste2.jpg


http://www.totalwar.com/images/tc2haste1.jpg

[Budwise]

I can't answer for bad spelling. I have an A-grade English A-level. The average reading comprehension age in the UK amongst adults is that of an educated 9-year old (BBC results). Spelling is worse thanks to Microsoft spellcheckers (usually defaulting to US Websters ). The game itself uses the American spelling for sales purposes. No biggie. I'm telling you that it is "Mediaeval" - meaning "Media" (middle) "Eval" (age) in English.

Yeah, same here. I am a lot higher in English Comprehension then most of my old classmates and you will even catch me spelling things wrong or writing with more in common of a middle schooler than a high school graduate.

My point is, if the people from USA can't even read and write, don't confuse us more by making us learn your English "English".

Hell, my people can't even handle the Metric System - thats why we are still the only country in the world that uses Feet, Yards, ect.

[Martok]

And the link to the .com has a couple of screenies from Hastings...


Ooh; pretty! [drools]

[EatYerGreens]

Shame they dont allow clans or experienced players from our totalwar community to join, Im sure all of us could do a better job then some of them guys/girls that go on there every weak and lose horribly :D ~:cheers:

In case you didn't know, the old-fashioned ethos of the BBC was summarised in the quote "inform, educate, entertain". This programme does all three.

I have a casual interest in history, in that any info offered up I will pay attention to, but it doesn't extend as far as setting aside time to head to the library and actually read up on stuff. This is why about half of the battles on that list are ones I have never even heard of! If my knowledge level is average then that means a fair number of people stand to gain some knowledge they didn't have before.

As for the contestants, I will say two things.

Part of the show revolves not around the battle tasks at hand but the team dynamic. Sometimes they get sound general's decisions, which then get countermanded by their lieutenants, with mixed results. Other times the subordinates demonstrate an understanding of strategy and tactics exceeding that of the gens but play ball and wait to get approval from the leader, who then says 'no, do this instead', they obey, albeit grudgingly and the team end up getting creamed. ~;)

The other thing is that by lousing up badly, viewers can see how NOT to do it and the historians can shine in their bit at the end where they show 'this is what really happened'.

If there was a decent set of players, the lesson might still be there but it won't hit home quite as hard. It also takes the wind out of the sails of the experts if the team won by basically playing out what happened historically.

[Shahed]

Wow Excellent. Thanks everyone.

I WISH I could see STW: MI and MTW:VI with the RTW engine. Or at least I wish I could have a MTW mod for RTW. Bah humbug.