\"New\" formation

[Mithrandir]

I've invented the next formation(re-invented is more likely) ,so it'll probably suck, but it works for me vs the AI http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif.
The Arrowhead

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Here is how I intended it to be :

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The groups have the following missions :
1 :Encounter the enemy,drawing fire & attention
2 :Out flank the enemy once 1 has enganged them and the enemy is starting to flank 1.
3 :Reinforce any weakspots and protect the flanks underway.Also contains the general which will only be deployed when truly needed.
4 :Protect the rear and serve as ultimate reserve for when outflanked or when the centre is starting to fall.

I've set up the game with me 16 YS, half H2 half H3, all W1 A1, 5000 koku game,

I gave the enemy 2 arbusqueteers,3 SA,2 nags,3 YS,3 ND,1 YC,2 HC. All without upgrades since I had finished every last koku ( or something very simulair to that).

All my troops where impetious, even when encountering the enemy, this I think is due to the following reasons, extreme morale boost from being ompletely flanked and surrounded by friendly troops, general closeby, and all had a slight upgrade.

I won the battle and only lost 450 men where the AI had to suffer 851 loses, and never in the battle did any of my troops turn uncertain...

I know this'd be easily countered by a human, but it seems to work on the AI quite well.Also it'll work even better with a mixed force...

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[This message has been edited by Mithrandir (edited 08-28-2002).]

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[Toda Nebuchadnezzar]

Hey Mith nice setup mate. I wonder how it will work in MTW and with multiple troop types.

Perhaps if no.2 were ND and 3 were WM it would be better with 4 as archers or cav.

But still good outcome and nice work cheers.

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[Mithrandir]

Thanks ! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif.

I just wanted to try out the formation, although I doubt cavelry would be of much use,since this formation is kind of static, it's vulnerable to massed guns, but excellent vs a normally balanced or melee kind of army.

This formation can take great blows since the massing of troops and having the general close by encourages the troops,and it will Always outflank most of the enemy since the "wings" (2) will take them on if the head (1) is encountered, and 3 to back up 2 or 4 if a back attack is made by cav. or whatever fast troops can get behind it.

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[FasT]

Nice if only i had shogun installed http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif

[Papewaio]

What was the AI's army?

You would get a better feel for how good the formation was if the AI has as identical unit mix.

[Sjakihata]

Quote Original posted by Mithrandir

I gave the enemy 2 arbusqueteers,3 SA,2 nags,3 YS,3 ND,1 YC,2 HC. All without upgrades since I had finished every last koku [/QUOTE]

Mith.. it looks cool, but I see one weakpoint. What if the AI are going to attack from two different flanks.. perhaps one from upper left, and one lower right?

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[Mithrandir]

Easy, divide the triangle into 2 smaller triangles ,because of the structure, it will outflank the enemy +the enemy has to split up forces whicle your army remains compact (great deal for morale).

The weakest point is when facing a wall of guns,but that hardly ever happens.



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[Tachikaze]

Mixed units in Mith's formation:

1) naginata with armor bonus (arrow absorption, holding the enemy in the center, no need for quick response)
2) teams of yari backed by monks (yari to catch and hold flanking cavs, monks to provide punch to flanking attacks or support yaris, depending on enemy's response)
3) monks and/or no-dachi (once 1 & 2 have attracted and engaged their foes, unmolested monks/no-dachi can be intelligently deployed).
4) no-dachi and/or cavalry (fast units with quick response and a little punch; cavs can swing all the way around melee mass to engage enemy archers/teppo hiding in the back; no-dachi happen to be good "tide-turners")

If I used archers, I would place them in the two spots where 1, 2, & 3 meet to hit troops engaging my nags in melee.

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[james]

Yes!I still have Shogun installed,now its time to try out this new formation.

[Mithrandir]

The formation was intended to be made out of mixed troops (though archers aren't very important).

Let me know how it worked out James http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif.

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[james]

That is a quality formation,I wooped the enemies ass..even when I was outnumbered.Anymore inventions Mith?

[Tachikaze]

What units did you use, James?

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[Mithrandir]

Quote Originally posted by james:
That is a quality formation,I wooped the enemies ass..even when I was outnumbered.Anymore inventions Mith?[/QUOTE]

Bwhaha, SEE ? some of my posts ARE useful...

More inventions to come http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif.

Thanks James http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif.

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[Nobunaga0611]

Mith, your idea of the #2 group spreading out and flanking the enemy is a good one, and the same as in the "Crane's Wing" formation. Eventhough it doesn't come out looking much like an army that is capable of flanking when you try the Crane option in STW. Look at this site for what I'm talking about (about halfway down the page):
http://www.sutic.nu/blade/guide/armies.htm#armiesformations


I personally like the Keyhole formation, and used it a lot in Shogun, but a bit modified...with the 'keyhole' part as 4 YS in a box formation, w/a unit of WM on the left and right flank for a little protection. Was easy to transform this 'core' part of the formation into whatever else I wanted or needed.

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[Mithrandir]

aahw man...my name wasn;t even original http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif,but that site is nice http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif.

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