100 B.c.

[Marshal Murat]

Anyone gotten to 100 B.C.?
If there a way to mod to get to 100 B.C.

[Colovion]

why would you want to? just out of curiosity...

[lars573]

The marian reforms happen in 100 BC. That's why you'd want to get to it fast.

[Red Harvest]

I hit the Marian reforms about 230 BC or so... early cohorts, cohorts, praetorians; all of my old units obsolete.

[ICantSpellDawg]

I hit the Marian reforms about 230 BC or so... early cohorts, cohorts, praetorians; all of my old units obsolete.



yea me too

i was taken by suprise - i guess that is what CA meant when they said gameplay won out over realism sometimes - i dislike anachronism

[Murmandamus]

Says in the manual that it's random. Mine happened at around 220BC.

[Spino]

It happened around 220 B.C. in my current Julii campaign. Random is fine but personally I think it should be nearly impossible for the Marian Reforms to take place before 200 BC. Anytime after 150 BC seems reasonable to me.

[andrewt]

Well, you're supposed to change history in the game. That's what makes it so fun. Personally, I'd like it if we were able to influence when the Marian reforms happen by our level of technology, even if it is still random.

Besides, I'd guarantee that almost every province you've conquered isn't conquered at the same time the Romans historically conquered it, if they did.

[Thoros of Myr]

I agree with Spino, I don't mind that it's random, but it should never happen before 200, too fast.

[biguth dickuth]

The Marian reforms happen before 200BC in the game?
Hmmm, i don't think i'll like this very much.

If you're playing as the Romans, i guess it's rather welcome as it gives you all these new unit options but if you're playin with another faction and the post-marian uber-legionaires of the game start coming towards you, i think you'll curse CA for this inaccuracy. ~;p

[Leet Eriksson]

Gah! I agree with spino, it should be somewhere after 200 BC or even 150 BC, and i enjoy playing republican legions more than marian ones ~;p

[Bigwig]

Although I'm not a roman historian and I barely know what the Marian reforms even were (let alone when they happened), I do agree that they happen too fast. I say this because about 5 turns after I was able to recruitTrirarii, they were obsolete! So if the Marian reforms were at around 100-150 bc, I would actually prefer that so I can get more use out of my Trirarii and Principes.

Maybe when someone decides to make a Rome version of Medmod, perhaps? ~D

[metatron]

Recruit Triarii.

*shudders*

[Red Harvest]

Yeah, I never got to build any triarii. I kept putting off building the structure for them so that I could build other things to keep population from revolting. Then the reforms came about 130 years early...

I'm not fond of "recruiting" triarii either, but CA said they tried doing it other ways and it just didn't play right.

[lars573]

For my Julii game the marian reforms happened in 191 BC.

[d6veteran]

It's weird that players are upset that certain historical events don't happen on the actual date, when you're essentially playing a game that lets you rewrite history.

Don't you see the contradiction?

I mean would you rather the game just proceed on the historical track and all you do is refight the battles. Oh but wait, what if you reverse the outcome of a famous battle .... hmmm.

I don't understand I guess.

[Red Harvest]

I think it is more that you don't get to enjoy the fruits of teching up in the the prior period. I like having some randomness, but most of us are reporting a heavy bias toward VERY early reforms. I'm wondering if it is some sort of number of territories trigger, or building trigger?

Rewriting history is one thing...moving up someone's birthday by 100+ years is another.

[Kraxis]

I'm with Red Harvest here. I don't have the game, but I have been looking forward to playing a real republican legion with the right troops. You know roleplaying the Romans. I found that to be great fun in MTW (though it was not as much with units as with traits).