Isn't It Scipiones?

[metatron]

...instead of Scipii? I don't claim to be well versed in the offshoots of the Cornelii, but all of my inital research says "Scipiones" instead of "Scipii".

[Suppiluliumas]

Scipii sounds fine to me. "Scipiones" seems more like italian than latin.

[metatron]

Well, Italian is the closest thing to the Vulgar we have...

[Red Peasant]

Scipio is a family name from the same word for a ceremonial rod or stick (sceptre?). It is a third declension word with the genitive singular scipionis. Therefore, the nominative or accusative plural is correctly: scipiones. However, with it being used as a proper name it may have adopted a plural form as Scipii, but I would pedantically stick with Scipiones. ~;)

[Papewaio]

Scipii does sound like a Kangaroo...

[Red Peasant]

Hop it! ~;)


The plural for the family is 'Cornelii Scipiones'.

[metatron]

I was right!

[oblivious maximus]

Scipii does sound like a Kangaroo...

Sounds more like peanutbutter to me. :uneasy:

[Lemur]

Sounds more like peanutbutter to me. :uneasy:
Personally, I prefer chunky Scipii to smooth Scipii. But it's just a matter of taste.

[metatron]

~;)

[fenir]

Red Peasant,

Just so i am not mistaken here, my latin not being very good.

The third declension nouns are untied by the common genitive singular -is
So what we are saying is that all third declension nouns have three endings.
therefore...... :book:

Caesar-------nominative
(KEYE-sahr)

Caesaris-----Genitive
(Keye-SAHR-is)
which are both masculine

Now in third declension the genitive singular is always ~is and the genitive plural would be um and some are ium.

Therefore the nominative plural is es. :book:

But then Scipii would be a second declension word.
As a nominative plural it ends in ~i :charge:

Which is also the case of a Singular genitive. But if we then translate scipii to the English use, it becomes scipius or scipus, which makes it a fourth declension. ~:confused:
or a second declension nominative singular. and therefore the right place for a family surname. ~:cheers:


:book:
So then we have Julii, Scipii, Brutii are translated into the english script as Julius, Scipius or Scipus, brutus. making them all 2nd declension singular, masculine surnames. ~:eek:

Docendo discimus,

Now it is true the Scipii are named after a "ceremonial" rod as you say. Just as the Julius house are named after a a progenitor that had a huge head of hair, because thats what their name means.
scipiones would therefore be the ceremonail rod you where talking about, but it wouldn't be a family name.
As family names are musculine singular 2nd declension. ~D

Aren't they? ~:grouphug:


:help:

Veritas vos liberabit.

*walks off to think about all this, might have to take some time out that hurt*



*rubs head*


fenir

[Sethik]

Personally, I prefer chunky Scipii to smooth Scipii. But it's just a matter of taste.

It makes no difference to Carthage's Elephants. (Heh, if they're chunky they'll soon be smooth!)

:charge: :charge:

[Vlad Tzepes]

Scipii or Scipiones, nothing beats the accent ... Skipppie-aye-yay... sounds like Die Hard's Bruce Willis "Yippie Kay Yay, Motherf***r"...

[Inuyasha12]

Yeah does anyone know a good website to find information on roman houses(scipii, brutii, etec). I just don't know what to search for anymore.

I was looking for some of the flags of the roman houses the other day and i ended up on a full search for any website that had information on roman houses. I wound up wasting a whole hour!

Along my many tries i googled:
Roman flags
Roman house flags
Roman houses
roman noble houses
Roman clans
roman families
roman noble families
Roman julii house
roman julii
and a lot more but i could not find a single website that went into detail about these roman houses and much less found any flags on them!!!

Can anyone point me in the right direction :help:

[metatron]

Flags? I think the only banners that survived would be from the Julii. Even then, I think almost all representations are pure speculation.

[DeadRunner]

it was better put scipio faction that scipii is not give a serious look ,and julius rather than julii,plz