Devastating Faction Heir bug.

[King Azzole]

Well I think I found a real killer bug. I noticed it first with the egyptians and now with the Julii. Apparantly if you "adopt" a rebel general ( or another factions general in the case of the egyptians ) your family no longer gives birth. My guys were happily pumping away until I got a rebel general to join my faction. Then mysteriously all my females became barren ( or the males sterile? ). Its only been a few years so far with the julii but my egyptian campaign was ruined because all my "youngest" generals were 50 years old +. Now apparantly my Julii are headed the same way. It really REALLY SUCKS to play 10+ hours with a faction to have them stopped by a bug. I AM MAD. :furious3:

EDITED FOR KIDS READING IT WITHOUT PARENTS GIVING A RATS ASS

[Goofball]

It also REALLY %$&?$&% SUCKS hearing that kind of language in the PG13 environment we like to maintain here. Please have a little more respect in the future.

[Dorkus]

he's mad. give him a break

not as if you don't hear that on the street every day.

Anyways, I haven't noticed this, but I don't recall adopting anyone in my campaign. Can't imagine this is a general bug, however. Would basically end the game once you adopted.

[Steppe Merc]

I think it's only for Rebel Generals right?
And how did you get them to join you? They only disband when bribed for me.... ~:confused:

[Doug-Thompson]

You have to bribe a family member. Captains just take their money and go home -- but are much cheaper.

[Leet Eriksson]

better edit the f word quick.

As for the adoptions, you do get to adopt a general in the julii campaign pretty early (might be even on the first turn) if i remember correctly, but that didn't stop my generals from producing more offspring.

Or is this bug only for rebel generals?

[Goofball]

he's mad. give him a break

not as if you don't hear that on the street every day.


Sorry, but being upset over the results of a computer game doesn't give anybody the right to violate the Org rules. And this isn't the street. It's a forum that is viewed by a wide variety of people, including kids.

[Steppe Merc]

Err... Can we discuss ORG policy somewhere else? Personal feelings aside, it's the ORG's rule to use no F-boms, so if you want to change it, do it elsewear. I really want to find if this is a real problem, or an isalated incident. Don't make the thread be closed! :embarassed:

[King Azzole]

Sorry, but being upset over the results of a computer game doesn't give anybody the right to violate the Org rules. And this isn't the street. It's a forum that is viewed by a wide variety of people, including kids.
If they didnt want the word here it would be auto-edited like most forums ~:rolleyes: Besides Pg-13 ALLOWS CURSING. Hell even PG allows some forms of cursing. Heres a thought. Instead of trolling threads to start problems with people, find a better hobby like xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx. And if they DONT allow cursing and yet it is allowed to be put in text thats just plain old SILLY. But dont worry folks robocop here is on the job.

Back on topic, which unfortunately was taken off topic from post #2, I am gonna try and just end turn after turn after turn now to see if it continues.

[DemonArchangel]

Props to King Azzhole!
meanwhile, hopefully, this is fixed in a patch

[Longasc]

Do not lament over the language, the info is critical.

I would like my young women to marry again whose husband died by age or an accident - I have such a case. :)

BUT: My Julii still give birth to children, and I had someone marry into my family from another faction.

So I did not experience this bug.

[Goofball]

If they didnt want the word here it would be auto-edited like most forums ~:rolleyes: Besides Pg-13 ALLOWS CURSING. Hell even PG allows some forms of cursing. Heres a thought. Instead of trolling threads to start problems with people, find a better hobby like masturbation. And if they DONT allow cursing and yet it is allowed to be put in text thats just plain old SILLY. But dont worry folks robocop here is on the job.

Back on topic, which unfortunately was taken off topic from post #2, I am gonna try and just end turn after turn after turn now to see if it continues.
Azzole, I am not trolling threads to start problems. I read this thread initially because the topic interested me and I was glad to have the heads up on the potentially very annoying bug that you were kind enough to share with everybody else.

When I saw the kind of language you used I pointed it out to you because it seemed obvious to me that you didn't know what the rules of the Org are. Now it is doubly obvious, because instead of taking the simple action of editing your post of its profanity, which would have still preserved its value to the rest of us, you decided to flame me. Also against Org rules, by the way.

I will say though, that out of all of my fellow Org members, you have the most appropriate name. Beside me, that is...

~:smoking:

[King Azzole]

OK well whateva. I got the mouth of a truck driver guess it translates to my typing.

OK its CONFIRMED. All my heirs are dead, no more children. This is TWICE in a row, once with the egyptians and I bribed a Seluecid Prince, the other while Julii and bribing a rebel "family member."

I dont have the patience to do it one more time, so if anyone wants to beat the crap outta this bug to double confirm it go ahead. I am at my wits end between the siege bugs, attack bugs, map bugs, and now bribe bugs. I really LOVE this game, and I was going to uninstall it out of anger till a patch arrived, however I think by searching and reporting these bugs they might somehow get fixed faster. I can only hope the good folks at creative assembly read this.

[Steppe Merc]

Any chance a reinstall will help?
PS, not to get on your case, but it's probably best to edit some of your posts, just to keep yourself out of trouble.

[Osbot]

Hrmm, I think this is isolated.

In my current Seleucid campaign, I've bought off 3 egyptian princes. One has actually married and is producing heirs. One died on cyprus and the other is aging well.

[Oaty]

I think it was just bad luck for you, I think they occasionally throw in a gay family member. I have a 35 year old family member not married and has adopted a man under him. Although I do'nt think I have'nt had any nonreproductive family members they may have also thrown in sterile members. Just bad luck you had a sterile/gay family tragedy.

[andrewt]

I haven't had a single adoption yet. All my generals were either born or married into my family. How exactly do you do adoptions?

[Oaty]

I think adoption is random and perhaps it depends how well you are doing. But My guess is the game gives a 5 percent chance every turn and maybe throws in other factors. For me it seems I get an offer for adoption about every 20 years or so. The other thing is it is a specific family member that will adopt him so maybe the chances are increased if that person is a member of the senate. It could be your faction leader that adopts him or it could be your 16 year old grandson that adopts him.

[Osbot]

Or you can bribe faction members from a different faction ;p

[Maedhros]

Even the gay ones produce heirs.

Although he is a drinker, so maybe he drank enough to make her look good to him.

I've adopted fresh princes into the family without bribes or marriage and not had problems.

I have found and this is anecdotal that princes produce more heirs when they are in a city for a sustained period of time.


Did anyone else lose a Scipii in the Etna eruption?
I did once, but received no notification. Just that my appointed heir had changed. When I looked to see why I saw he was dead and the eruption had just started.
When they die of age you get a notification. I didn't in this case.

[Kraellin]

not sure about the bug being a bug. i think, if you'll pardon the expression, that some games get 'seeded' differently, so even if you go back in saves to an earlier time, the game has already been seeded for a certain level of reproduction or whatnot. just a possibility. i've seen other games do seeding of things like this. so, one game you'll get rabbits and the next you'll get barren and sterile in numbers. just randomizes things.

in my current game, the seeding seems pretty high. the faction leader just died and it must have scared the rest of the family because in the same turn i had two weddings, one coming of age and a new birth :)

K.

[Hosakawa Tito]

Hope you're right Krae. My Scipio quick campaign was ruined by no heir production. And I came so close too. I annihilated Carthage, had Numidia on the ropes. My Faction leader, Gauis the Harsh was Pontifex Maximus at 68, but produced no heirs. Of his 4 nephews, Lucius the Lewd ( 31 yr. old unmarried lover of men), Flavius and Aldus the Mad ( in their late 40's married but no children), Optimus (married but died young of the plague in Thapsus). My campaign is over, 3 provinces short of the 15 I needed to complete the victory conditions. :wall:

[King Azzole]

I dont think you guys understand... I had 15 married egyptian guys NONE producing ANY children. They are all 50 years old + now. Hell I can even give you the save game file if you want to see for yourself.

[Longasc]

There is something obviously buggy and wrong!

I just cannot reproduce or confirm the bug for my games.

Is this perhaps some kind of Copy Protection that is malfunctioning or so? A wild guess only.

[Silencer]

adoptation is not random, here is how to do it:

do a battle together with an AI reinforment army. make sure the army doesn't have a general and fit's into your slots.

when the battle starts, you'll see a captain under your troops (silver star)
let him do a good battle, to gain exp, and after the battle you'll be promted to adopt him (IIRC, he needs to be 2 stars at least)

[Catiline]

Watch the language please lads, this is kids TV

[Turbo]

It also REALLY %$&?$&% SUCKS hearing that kind of language in the PG13 environment we like to maintain here. Please have a little more respect in the future.

Why don't you devote your comments to the issue he is raising, not just to the manner in which it is raised and your personal sensitivities.

I haven't been able to duplicate this adoption bug, but it is worth noting in the RTW bugs sticky.

[zentuit]

Just to clarify what Silencer said. You can adopt your army captains if they perform well on the battlefield. So have a couple stacks hunt down rebels or small enemy forces. After a few battles you usually get a notification that this captain is a hero and worthy of your family yada yada, do you wish to adopt him?

I have 2 so far, one has married and there have been births (not his wife) since the first was adopted.

I have not adopted a faction general, so I can't confirm that what King Azzole is seeing is bad luck or a bug.

[King Azzole]

OK guys the bug happened to me while playing the egyptians and julii and i BRIBED another family member into my family. Just to confirm that. It has nothing to do with the regular adoptions which are fine so far for me. I started another julii campaign and got to 220 BC so far and although slow, my heirs are being produced, and I have not bribed any other generals yet. So its not my game copy or installation. My egyptian campaign is roxxored cause all my youngest generals are 50+ years old. I have the save game if anyone wants to see it. Also wierd, my faction heir became the bribed general when my main leader died.... Why the hell would they make him the faction heir if he is a non egyptian? ~:confused:

[Thoros of Myr]

Also wierd, my faction heir became the bribed general when my main leader died.... Why the hell would they make him the faction heir if he is a non egyptian? ~:confused:

Unless the bug prevented you from doing so you can change your hier to whomever you want from the family tree menu. The game probly doesent make a distinction of the nationality of your generals, it probly just assumes they are fair game if they are in the family.

[King Azzole]

Yea thoros I know that, I was just wondering if that was related to the non-production of heirs, since usually the game will choose a family member with your last name for an heir, not one of the wedded ones to your daughters or adopted generals.

[Hosakawa Tito]

I've started at least a dozen campaigns, both quick and standard. None of my factions have produced a single child beyond the ones I've started the game with.I have no 3rd generation to lead my faction after the 2nd generation die of old age. Extremely bad luck or a flaw in the game? It's been very frustrating to advance to the point that I can begin to dominate, then have my empire crumble because I cannot produce heirs.

[Hosakawa Tito]

I started a new full campaign, as the Julii, and finally produced two new heirs. However, they weren't from the 3rd generation children who matured and married. They were born to the 2nd generation couples, in their mid 40's now, who already had children now grown & married and in their early 20's. Kind of weird. I mean the peasant populations in many of my cities are breeding like rabbits, but the young virile patricians aren't reproducing till they're 40.

[King Azzole]

If worse comes to worse you can always bribe younger family members from other factions. I did that to continue my egyptian campaign. Im starting to think you produce more heirs if your faction if more active. I noticed the years when I conquer provinces I get more heirs and when im idle just building stuff I produce little to none.

[Hosakawa Tito]

Update on my current Julii campaign. I have been super agressive in this one, attacking Gaul with all but 2 family members left in the Home provinces, Arretium & Ariminum, one producing Infantry & Cav the other my Navy. It's the winter of 246 BC, Gaul is down to one city, Alesia. Over the last several years my Faction has been a baby making machine. 5 daughters and 4 sons, all born to the 2nd generation (children that have matured and married at the start of the game). I guess a lot of blood is good for the Roman libido. "Sorry babe, I'm just not in the mood till I slaughter a few thousand Gauls." :smoking: I've been attacking with small armies (300-500 men), working in pairs. One is the bait, the other ambushes. I guess it's better to let the dice fly and really push than to be more cautious, at least in this campaign.

[Thoros of Myr]

I guess a lot of blood is good for the Roman libido. "Sorry babe, I'm just not in the mood till I slaughter a few thousand Gauls." :smoking:


:laugh: Interesting, Thanks for the tip :smartass2:

[Underhand]

MikeC in the entrance hall says:

I have adopted both opposition faction family members as well as rebel family faction members and my family is still continuing to have kids. Since adopting a rebel family member, I have had 4 births over the course of 12 game turns.

[King Azzole]

Ok, seems isolated to my campaign. I am still terrified to invest enough time in a campaign to bribe another factions general, so im not even gonna try and simulate this again. But apparantly its not a bug so disregard, must have been 2 freak coincidental back to back events. ~:confused:

[ChaosLord]

Well, I do think there some bug involved. I bribed a Spanish general and he joined my faction, but on the family tree it showed him as being the son of my faction heir. (A 30 some odd year old who had a 40 year old son :P) And oddly that heir hasn't produced any children while having the Fruitful virtue. It could just be bad luck i'll admit. My other family members are still producing kids.

[Malrubius]

adoptation is not random, here is how to do it:

do a battle together with an AI reinforment army. make sure the army doesn't have a general and fit's into your slots.

when the battle starts, you'll see a captain under your troops (silver star)
let him do a good battle, to gain exp, and after the battle you'll be promted to adopt him (IIRC, he needs to be 2 stars at least)


Had this happen today. Had some hastati and velites attack some Macedonian cav, assisted by equites as reinforcements. The battle began, I started marching towards the Macedonians, and they ran off before I even got close enough to see them. Result was a narrow victory with no loss of life on either side (the Macedonians ran back to Larissa, so they apparently had plenty of movement points left), and the captain was eligible for adoption as a 3-star, 1 scroll general with good commander, drillmaster and bureaucrat traits.

[Es Arkajae]

Wait a sec, someone here mentioned that Generals producemore heirs when they're in cities.

Does this mean that they don't have to be in a city to produce heirs?, what of forts?

[AntiochusIII]

Hmm... So sad about your problems. It is certainly a bug in some levels.

However, I have a theory ... but wait! I am NOT a professional of any kind of modding nor do I have any true experience about the Data files. The things I'm going to state are not confirmed by any REAL facts or statistics. However, according to my intensive (or insane ~D ) modding that allow me to reach some insanely cheating level in terms of some stats that nobody could ever achieve without modding, I've come to a conclusion that the size of an empire vs the number of your generals are of prime - though not all - importance of how many new family members you will get.

For example, in one my Carthage campaign, I played aggressively and leave only a few people behind as governers while all others went on conquering the world like mad. I ended up with about 10 members and 30 provinces. The result is that *almost every turn* I got the "candidate for adoption" (not war heroes or son-in-law) for me to get new guys. Also, almost every captain-led victory resulted in the "man of the hour" adoption. In addition, after one person in the family died, it resulted in the outburst of the family babies like somebody got a new viagra for the family. :dizzy2:

Several similar campaign produce the similar results, however, I think - JUST think - that the difficulty level also have an effect in this.

On the other hand, in the campaigns that I went for "every city must be governed" style of playing, thus slow down my conquering to take care of the cities, even truely heroic (say, 500 vs 2000 with minimal losses) captain-led victories... several times by the same guy, produce no chance of adoption. There are also no chance for candidate, with fewer marriage event - both my gentlemen and ladies seem uninterested to save the family - and almost no birth rate at all.

However, if you have indeed few people per province and yet no new members it IS a bug.

Hope this helps.

[Patricius]

If a faction is stagnant and expands very little there are fewer heirs. I have occasionally seen a faction of at least eight territories expire for the lack of an heir. Although my assassins were a factor, this faction, the Brutti was unusually timid. Even large factions will suffer a lack of heirs if there is little expansion. My 48 province RTR Unified Rome has expanded little for some years, hence few heirs, or rather very few. King Azzole said so already, but it needs underlining. Expansion is key to having a good supply of heirs. There is no bug. CA probably engineered this feature so that players do not forget they are playing Rome Total War not Civilization III.