hmm, exploring the unit stats, i didscovered a surprising thing: swordsmen hastati get more anti-cavalry attack bonus (+6) than specialty spear-men: triarii (+4)... could that be right? also, the leter versions of legionnaires get less anti-cavalry bonus than hastati... hmm... is this by design or by mistake?
on another note: i do not understand why barbarian ax-men would get anticavalry bonuses... if anything, they should get anti-cavalry penalties...
ooops, the hastati bonus goes against elephants, not horses. nonetheless, why would they get a bonus against elephants?
Medieval Assassin
10-04-2004, 20:19
Unless of course the horse was heavily laden with armour, and a axe could get a pierce bonus. so a AXE anti horse bonus could work.
Orvis Tertia
10-04-2004, 22:16
I'm at work so can't check the stats, but if the Hastati get a bonus, could it be from throwing their pilla, not their swords? Elephants are quite vulnerable to javelins.
Here are the actual stats.
type roman hastati
dictionary roman_hastati ; Hastati
category infantry
class light
voice_type Light_1
soldier roman_hastati, 40, 0, 1
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap
formation 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, square
stat_health 1, 0
stat_pri 11, 2, pilum, 35, 2, thrown, blade, piercing, spear, 25 ,1
stat_pri_attr prec, thrown ap
stat_sec 7, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, sword, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 5, 4, 5, metal
stat_sec_armour 0, 1, flesh
stat_heat 3
stat_ground 2, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental 6, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 440, 170, 50, 70, 440
ownership roman
type roman triarii
dictionary roman_triarii ; Triarii
category infantry
class spearmen
voice_type Medium_1
soldier roman_triarii, 40, 0, 1
officer roman_early_centurion
officer roman_early_standard
mount_effect horse +4, chariot +4, camel +4
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap
formation 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, square
stat_health 1, 0
stat_pri 7, 7, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 25 ,0.73
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 7, 5, 5, metal
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 4
stat_ground 2, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental 10, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 500, 210, 50, 80, 500
ownership romans julii,romans brutii,romans scipii,romans senate
Triarri have a mount_effect yet hastati do not. Not sure why it shows up in whass-is-names database. At any rate, the +6 to elephants and chariots is from the light auxilia.
Medieval Assassin
10-04-2004, 22:23
I'm at work so can't check the stats, but if the Hastati get a bonus, could it be from throwing their pilla, not their swords? Elephants are quite vulnerable to javelins.
That could very well be it.
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