Red Bean
10-13-2004, 01:36
Hi all, first time post, long time lurker. If these things are already known, feel free to tell me :book:
I ran some tests with mount_effects based off of this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=37877) to see if mount_effects was working in export_descr_unit. I'm using Apollonius' unit slow down mod and Adonys' killing rate slowdown. Situations were custom battle, medium difficulty, grass flatland (or equivalent in the list of battlegrounds), julii (me) vs. Carthage (one unit of Sacred Band cav, AI). I did 2-3 tests unless one side had a heroic victory (1-2 tests) or a narrow victory (basically never). Large unit sizes.
My initial tests were with hoplites and auxilia, straight "out of the box" - hoplites did ok some of the time with remanuevering and were squashe d other times, auxilia were almost always utterly squashed by the Sacred Band.
Adding a spear for the auxilia instead of their current weapon (none) in export_descr_unit had little effect.
I then modified the auxilia to have a +4000 (instead of +4) mount_effects bonus against cav - auxilia won, 3-4 deaths per trial. Increasing the bonus to 40,000 didn't seem to help much; similarly, reducing the attack of the auxilia to 1 didn't hurt much (reducing it to 0 meant that the auxilia inflicted 0 kills on the Sacred Band). In addition, increasing the mount_effects reduced the chance of the cav charging (most likely because they saw how many deaths they'd get?) Decreasing the auxilia's defense to 1 sent the number of deaths for the auxilia to about 20 or so (out of 80).
By increasing the attack of the auxilia to an arbitrarily high number (40,000), I found out that the max displayed attack/defense value in the custom battle screen is 63; the effects of doing that were the same as getting a high mount_effects value. Increasing the auxilia's defense led to very different types of combats (much longer, for starters).
So the mount_effects are definitely working, but depending on your tastes they may be too low.
As for the bonuses against cav for spears not working either...if it's still a +1/+4 bonus, auxilia should do pretty well against Sacred Band cav (10/21 vs. 12/18). Do other files have to be modified to give units spears?
I ran some tests with mount_effects based off of this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=37877) to see if mount_effects was working in export_descr_unit. I'm using Apollonius' unit slow down mod and Adonys' killing rate slowdown. Situations were custom battle, medium difficulty, grass flatland (or equivalent in the list of battlegrounds), julii (me) vs. Carthage (one unit of Sacred Band cav, AI). I did 2-3 tests unless one side had a heroic victory (1-2 tests) or a narrow victory (basically never). Large unit sizes.
My initial tests were with hoplites and auxilia, straight "out of the box" - hoplites did ok some of the time with remanuevering and were squashe d other times, auxilia were almost always utterly squashed by the Sacred Band.
Adding a spear for the auxilia instead of their current weapon (none) in export_descr_unit had little effect.
I then modified the auxilia to have a +4000 (instead of +4) mount_effects bonus against cav - auxilia won, 3-4 deaths per trial. Increasing the bonus to 40,000 didn't seem to help much; similarly, reducing the attack of the auxilia to 1 didn't hurt much (reducing it to 0 meant that the auxilia inflicted 0 kills on the Sacred Band). In addition, increasing the mount_effects reduced the chance of the cav charging (most likely because they saw how many deaths they'd get?) Decreasing the auxilia's defense to 1 sent the number of deaths for the auxilia to about 20 or so (out of 80).
By increasing the attack of the auxilia to an arbitrarily high number (40,000), I found out that the max displayed attack/defense value in the custom battle screen is 63; the effects of doing that were the same as getting a high mount_effects value. Increasing the auxilia's defense led to very different types of combats (much longer, for starters).
So the mount_effects are definitely working, but depending on your tastes they may be too low.
As for the bonuses against cav for spears not working either...if it's still a +1/+4 bonus, auxilia should do pretty well against Sacred Band cav (10/21 vs. 12/18). Do other files have to be modified to give units spears?