EatYerGreens
10-26-2004, 13:59
Okay, this isn't the most spectacular bug in the world - it's not exactly ruining the game but I was curious wanted to know if anyone else had noticed strange things like this.
For the record, I'm using an unpatched MTW V1.00. I do own Viking invasion but haven't installed it yet as I understand it will cause problems with vanilla-version game saves and I want to get at least one campaign finished before I install any fresh stuff.
Okay, here's the situation. I'm the Byzantines, in a race against the Almos, who own most of western Europe. We're currently long-standing allies and the map is plastered in ships. The Almos and I are the only ones with any fleets at all, so we're basically just trading with one another. My ships are in every sector bar the north atlantic and those 'non-coastal' waters where only the AI ships seem to be able to reach.
(Apparently the unpatched v1.00 has a bug concerning the discovery of the compass, which is reported to you but your ships still can't access some sea areas). Meanwhile, in spite of having piles of them to spare, the Almos have neglected to put any ships in the Norwegian Sea, Skaggerak, the Baltic and, mnost peculiar of all, the sector around Rhodes.
Our shared borders on land are where they have Sinai and Antioch and I have the provinces bordering those.
The French had been pushed back until they bordered with the Novgorod but were so preoccupied with fighting the Almos in the west that they neglected to build any ports or ships of their own. I had ships stretching right from the Black Sea to the Baltic and was so frustrated by the missing trade that I clobbered their unguarded rear, took Lithuania, Livonia, and Prussia off them in quick succession, so I could build ports of my own, plus Volhinya for good measure.
Here's the oddity. I hold all the provinces around the Black Sea and, provided I'm exporting something from there, I see Ireland listed (which the Almos own) and I see wool imports coming back to me from Ireland.
I hold Crete, Rhodes and Cyprus, none of which have goods for export but they each have a port and so I see a small amount of trade from incoming goods. Rhodes gets nothing at the moment, for the reasons stated above, whilst, for some reason, Crete and Cyprus are getting imports from just five Almo territories. The Almos have both Ireland and Flanders, both of which export wool but the islands only list wool as coming from one place (Tuscany, IIRC or somewhere on the Med, if not), where it should be three or more different places.
The daft thing is that I see all the right places/items listed as imports on my Black Sea coast territories and it is impossible for the Almos to to link with those without having ships in the sea area containing Crete's port, so it should have all the same import territories listed but it doesn't. Cyprus gets the same, restricted, list of importers and I guess Rhodes would too, if they bothered to link to it.
Now it could be that port territories which lack outgoing trade goods of their own will only credit you with income for one incoming product type from one territory. Come to think of it, the Almos should have multiple places exporting silk too but I only see one lot of imports on my islands. By comparison, where I've got goods for export, I get reciprocal trade coming back, as long as the Almos have ships in all the same places as mine, so I do get multiple lots of wool/silk imports, for example.
So is this a known bug?
Is it fixed in a program patch or are you seeing similar oddities in your VI-enhanced versions?
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Byzantium, 1248: -
currently exporting to 26-27 territories... from 13, all bar one at Merchant level, with a Master Merchant in Constantinople. Minted. ~D
For the record, I'm using an unpatched MTW V1.00. I do own Viking invasion but haven't installed it yet as I understand it will cause problems with vanilla-version game saves and I want to get at least one campaign finished before I install any fresh stuff.
Okay, here's the situation. I'm the Byzantines, in a race against the Almos, who own most of western Europe. We're currently long-standing allies and the map is plastered in ships. The Almos and I are the only ones with any fleets at all, so we're basically just trading with one another. My ships are in every sector bar the north atlantic and those 'non-coastal' waters where only the AI ships seem to be able to reach.
(Apparently the unpatched v1.00 has a bug concerning the discovery of the compass, which is reported to you but your ships still can't access some sea areas). Meanwhile, in spite of having piles of them to spare, the Almos have neglected to put any ships in the Norwegian Sea, Skaggerak, the Baltic and, mnost peculiar of all, the sector around Rhodes.
Our shared borders on land are where they have Sinai and Antioch and I have the provinces bordering those.
The French had been pushed back until they bordered with the Novgorod but were so preoccupied with fighting the Almos in the west that they neglected to build any ports or ships of their own. I had ships stretching right from the Black Sea to the Baltic and was so frustrated by the missing trade that I clobbered their unguarded rear, took Lithuania, Livonia, and Prussia off them in quick succession, so I could build ports of my own, plus Volhinya for good measure.
Here's the oddity. I hold all the provinces around the Black Sea and, provided I'm exporting something from there, I see Ireland listed (which the Almos own) and I see wool imports coming back to me from Ireland.
I hold Crete, Rhodes and Cyprus, none of which have goods for export but they each have a port and so I see a small amount of trade from incoming goods. Rhodes gets nothing at the moment, for the reasons stated above, whilst, for some reason, Crete and Cyprus are getting imports from just five Almo territories. The Almos have both Ireland and Flanders, both of which export wool but the islands only list wool as coming from one place (Tuscany, IIRC or somewhere on the Med, if not), where it should be three or more different places.
The daft thing is that I see all the right places/items listed as imports on my Black Sea coast territories and it is impossible for the Almos to to link with those without having ships in the sea area containing Crete's port, so it should have all the same import territories listed but it doesn't. Cyprus gets the same, restricted, list of importers and I guess Rhodes would too, if they bothered to link to it.
Now it could be that port territories which lack outgoing trade goods of their own will only credit you with income for one incoming product type from one territory. Come to think of it, the Almos should have multiple places exporting silk too but I only see one lot of imports on my islands. By comparison, where I've got goods for export, I get reciprocal trade coming back, as long as the Almos have ships in all the same places as mine, so I do get multiple lots of wool/silk imports, for example.
So is this a known bug?
Is it fixed in a program patch or are you seeing similar oddities in your VI-enhanced versions?
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Byzantium, 1248: -
currently exporting to 26-27 territories... from 13, all bar one at Merchant level, with a Master Merchant in Constantinople. Minted. ~D