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fallen851
12-21-2005, 08:19
Be patient guys, the longer we wait the better it will be !
How untrue this can be...
Now I hate to be direct, and this is a nice forum, but I don't like to sugarcoat words, and the last time I brought this topic up (see below), I got a lame answer, so here is my take:
I don't think EB will ever be finished, I firmly believe they are tinkering and tinkering, and keep adding and deleting features, and have so far changed from the original concept, that the direction is unclear, thus the status is unknown. One person might report a week or two before the mod is released, then several months. How many features? Who knows, they don't seem to give clear answers, probably because the EB team simply doesn't know what is happening. Keep adding and tinkering... where they are going, what they are doing, nobody knows!
I expressed this feeling in this thread:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=57433
And of course, I got an indirect and vague answer...
It is an artist's gallery, where each piece alone is beautiful, but the artist views the totality of the gallery as the masterpiece. The whole is not dependant on the individual component, instead the individual component id unique in it's own respect. EB is a collection of many brilliant mini-mods all wrapped and packaged into one, with each mini-mod amazingly tied into the whole and made symbiotic with others where possible.
...because the fact is, the guy who answered me doesn't know what is happening, because the entire EB team doesn't know.
While it is just a theory, I'd say believing what I said is easier to do than believing the EB team that EB will be out soon, since they have been saying that for just about, ever? And that just supports my theory of course. Further evidence can be shown also.
Think of EB as a direction, moving toward a realistic mod for RTW, but then realize you'll never reach the goal of realism, thus you can only move toward EB, you'll never actually get it.
Oh well.
I think many things you have writen could be true, btw I hope they can release the OB before the year finish. One person, who also made alone a mod as you, told me in similar ways about this matter.
If the year finish and OB continue unreleased I will began to think all things you had talking are the true :san_sad:
I am awaiting for the OB since april aprox. and many times I could read the OB release will be soon, very closest, or similars.
First the say us they could released the OB before the all factions previews will be finished
or inclusive later they say us before Barbarian Invasion release...
and later... before 1.5 and 1.6 patches
The Last new was we can a present by the christmas...
But the hope its the last thing you can lost and I continue believing I will have my christmas present: the best RomeTW mod we can imagine.
I am awaiting EB release to make a different multiplayer tournament with this mod for people who dislike as I the type of vanilla gameplay.
Simply put, the reason it took so long is because we had to start over, not because we "continue to tinker."
I have explained this, but I suppose it takes repetition to sink in. We have no very fast coding person either, which doesn't help.
I would be blunt as well, but I think the team members would not like it if I were.
hellenes
12-21-2005, 09:50
Simply put, the reason it took so long is because we had to start over, not because we "continue to tinker."
I have explained this, but I suppose it takes repetition to sink in. We have no very fast coding person either, which doesn't help.
I would be blunt as well, but I think the team members would not like it if I were.
Khelvan
Im scared just from the scope of game mechanics that you want to change, the workload...
EB started at February 2003 IIRC its soon gonna be 3 years since then, holy mother of christ 3 years...
All my eager had burned out...I dont anticipate EB unfortunately Ive started to admire the record braking mod evelopment time and everyday that passes makes that record even stronger and unbeatable...
I dont believe that EB OB will be released, not before Spring 2006 at least, because of the complexity of the changes that lead to complex errors that make the game unplayable as I see...combine that with the whole finished product (youre not selling it...really youre not...) perfectionism its truly sad, like Thermopylae an impossible but glorious task...
Hellenes
How untrue this can be...
Now I hate to be direct, and this is a nice forum, but I don't like to sugarcoat words, and the last time I brought this topic up (see below), I got a lame answer, so here is my take:
I don't think EB will ever be finished, I firmly believe they are tinkering and tinkering, and keep adding and deleting features, and have so far changed from the original concept, that the direction is unclear, thus the status is unknown. One person might report a week or two before the mod is released, then several months. How many features? Who knows, they don't seem to give clear answers, probably because the EB team simply doesn't know what is happening. Keep adding and tinkering... where they are going, what they are doing, nobody knows!
I expressed this feeling in this thread:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=57433
And of course, I got an indirect and vague answer...
...because the fact is, the guy who answered me doesn't know what is happening, because the entire EB team doesn't know.
While it is just a theory, I'd say believing what I said is easier to do than believing the EB team that EB will be out soon, since they have been saying that for just about, ever? And that just supports my theory of course. Further evidence can be shown also.
Think of EB as a direction, moving toward a realistic mod for RTW, but then realize you'll never reach the goal of realism, thus you can only move toward EB, you'll never actually get it.
Oh well.
Whine whine whine.. ~:rolleyes:
Seriously dude, if you don't think the mod will ever be released why come over here in the first place?
They don't have to do this you know.. they're putting their time and effort in this mod so that we could enjoy a better, more accurate game.
If you're too impatient to wait for this mod then just move along instead of criticizing the people who have put I dunno how many hours of hard work into this mod while you're not contributing anything yourself.
I for one am quite happy to wait until they have an OB that's fit for public release. I'd rather wait a little longer and have a decent OB instead of some buggy OB that CTDs all the time.
Keep up the good work guys and don't let the whiners get you down. There are still people around here that do appreciate the time and effort you're putting in this mod. :bow:
O_Stratigos
12-21-2005, 13:34
Whine whine whine.. ~:rolleyes:
Seriously dude, if you don't think the mod will ever be released why come over here in the first place?
They don't have to do this you know.. they're putting their time and effort in this mod so that we could enjoy a better, more accurate game.
If you're too impatient to wait for this mod then just move along instead of criticizing the people who have put I dunno how many hours of hard work into this mod while you're not contributing anything yourself.
I for one am quite happy to wait until they have an OB that's fit for public release. I'd rather wait a little longer and have a decent OB instead of some buggy OB that CTDs all the time.
Keep up the good work guys and don't let the whiners get you down. There are still people around here that do appreciate the time and effort you're putting in this mod. :bow:
Hear, hear!! :yes: ~:cheers: ~:thumb:
O Stratigos :bow:
Let's keep things civil here, fallen851 did that too.
I do not agree with his theory, however. EB has not claimed it will be soon for a long time, instead they claimed it might be done in months. That it turned out to take longer than they hoped is not their fault.
Incidentally, Khelvan did say that they are trying to get the last CTD's out before releasing the OB, so that does suggest a plan, and not an "adding and removing of features".
That said, I'll be very relieved if the OB finally arrives. If they don't hurry up, I might be too busy again to try it out... ~:(
It has become clear that, with the decimation of our internal testers, and the complete failure of our earlier closed beta test culminating with the leakage of an alpha version of EB, that we're just not going to be able to test this ourselves. So you are going to see a buggy OB, there is no way to get around that.
Anyway, as to a plan, we have always had one, and always knew where we were going. It just took us a very long time to get there. It has nothing to do with making things better, and everything to do with how long it took us to create our core functions again, such as unit recruitment, and governments, based on the discovery of a hard-coded limit that caused us to have to scrap our first plan.
So I guess, in a sense, we didn't have a plan for months. Or rather, our initial plan was rendered unusable, so we had to create a new one, and for several of our core systems we could not find a solution for months. So while unit work went on, and scripting and trait work went on, and other work ancillary to the development of things like our economy and unit recruitment continued to go on and be improved, our core systems weren't in place.
Basically we had units being made that could only be put in the vanilla economy, and an expectation of governments limiting certain things which just didn't work for us. We had a new mod that had nice new names and units, but played much like vanilla. That didn't work for us.
So, we finally found a solution that gave us most of the features we wanted out of the government system, and since the time I said we had found that solution we have been working on implementation.
Basically, we should have been at this point way back when we posted our "Announcing: Europa Barbarorum" message. I think I posted that in April. It should have been about a month to two months and then we were going to open beta. Except, we ran into a problem that caused us to toss out our entire plan for our core systems. Everything since then has been a rebuilding of those systems.
I don't know why I'm explaining this to you guys again. I mean, honestly, I have said it before - I have explained the process, I have explained our problems. I have told everyone why it has taken so long.
When I say "we've had to start over," does that just not make a difference to you guys? Do some of you just assume then that I am lying to your faces? There is no other explanation for the behavior here. I give you updates on exactly what is happening, without giving any dates out. Why would I give a date we might not be able to meet? My mistake was hinting when the open beta might be; I should have known we would run into a problem.
Unfortunately, none of us could have imagined just how devastating that problem was. Our whole idea for how the mod was going to play was gone. Just destroyed in an instant. Do you know what that did to our morale? To our plans, our dream for this mod?
No, you couldn't possibly know that, which is why you can't possibly understand how reading some of these comments can be so hurtful for those of us who have spent so much time working on things, for free, that will bring you enjoyment.
Teleklos Archelaou
12-21-2005, 20:37
I'll add that it *looks* like some of the lingering problems that we do have might be able to be solved by the 1.3 and then 1.5 builds. The ability to mess around with the cultures gives me more hope that some of the things that bug me (and that we have to use intricate scripting to get around) still might be totally wiped away once we get around to porting it (which looks quite likely but is not 100% certain).
Thorn Is
12-21-2005, 20:57
Hello,
I've been checking up on this mod every few days, never said anything. I love playing mods for RTW - played just about every available ones :san_smiley: and your mod sounds great. I know nothing about moding though, in fact I dont even know what an open beta version of something is... maybe someone could explain. But your mod sounds great and I do hope you take your time in its creation and resist the urge to produce it quickly for those who perfer fast food to fine dining. :san_cheesy:
jedispongee
12-21-2005, 21:19
Lets ban all the whiners.
It's not a good thing to do, it's not a "democratic" thing to do, but frankly I don't care. At this point, it's turned into a waste of time responding to posts and topics that all they do is add more tension and just gets everyone wired up.
Note: I don't expect this to be taken seriously.
Spendios
12-21-2005, 21:29
Lets ban all the whiners.
It's not a good thing to do, it's not a "democratic" thing to do, but frankly I don't care. At this point, it's turned into a waste of time responding to posts and topics that all they do is add more tension and just gets everyone wired up.
Note: I don't expect this to be taken seriously.
You are whining about whiners so you have to be banned...:san_grin:
Lets ban all the whiners.
It's not a good thing to do, it's not a "democratic" thing to do, but frankly I don't care. At this point, it's turned into a waste of time responding to posts and topics that all they do is add more tension and just gets everyone wired up.
Note: I don't expect this to be taken seriously.
You are whining about whiners so you have to be banned...:san_grin:
*Laughs*
O'ETAIPOS
12-22-2005, 11:54
Khlevan, this is the first time you told all details in a clear manner. Infos about your problems were before either to short or written in secret manner.
(I know nothing about those in April, though)
I hope now some of those whining guys will see the programming is not just that easy as making new skins and that "more visibe" stuff, what is the only problem for most of the mod makers.
It seems that you made the mod to the point when everybody stops and realised that in fact you "dyed the hair" instead of intended "chirugical changes" so you had to stop and start again.
And then again.
THANKS for all the work you put in the mod for ALL EB team!!!
:bow: :bow: :bow:
The_Mark
12-22-2005, 12:43
It seems that you made the mod to the point when everybody stops and realised that in fact you "dyed the hair" instead of intended "chirugical changes" so you had to stop and start again.
More like performing a heart transplant operation and noticing that the heart that was we placed in there was that of a blue whale, not a man. It was an organ that worked, but didn't fit inside the ribs.
Now, we have one of these babes in place:
https://img453.imageshack.us/img453/4697/artificialheartabiocorhand0ma.jpg
Edit: modified it a bit to better reflect the situation.
Zenith Darksea
12-22-2005, 12:50
I can't help but feel that the smiley used by O'ETAIROS is vaguely racist...
Anyway, I understand how you feel Khelvan. We in Troy Total War ran into a pretty similar problem. We announced that we were going to have 1.0 out by Christmas, and then our main scripter vanished, taking a good deal of good work with him. Since then we've had a real struggle getting things back on track, and the future is looking distinctly cloudier for us. Though I'm still confident that we'll finish it. Anyway, I appreciate your situation and laud you for your perseverance and hard work.
Samurai Fanatic
12-22-2005, 13:51
I am extremey worried about TTW.
I can't help but feel that the smiley used by O'ETAIROS is vaguely racist...
:san_rolleyes: why does it feel like I'm at work when I'm at home :san_cry:
Zenith Darksea
12-22-2005, 14:57
I don't know, why does it?
Geoffrey S
12-22-2005, 21:11
Khelvan, I appreciate the fact that you continue to take the time to explain the state of affairs to the fans. To me, what you've described has been obvious for quite some time due to your consistently informative posts, and I find it hard to believe that anyone who has spent even a minimum of time here can miss this; laziness when it comes to actually looking for the answer, I'd wager.
Any chance you could make a sticky with your explanation post, containing a clear warning that any questions asked henceforth of which the answers are in the sticky will be deleted? After that you could simply edit any posts asking about why it's taking so long to redirect to said sticky. I can imagine the team gets fed up of such posts, as do the people looking forward to EB who actually make the effort to read your posts to find out what's causing the delay.
Anyway, I'm still looking forward to EB and wish you the best of luck sorting out the problems, and at your own pace.
antiochus epiphanes
12-23-2005, 04:01
How untrue this can be...
Now I hate to be direct, and this is a nice forum, but I don't like to sugarcoat words, and the last time I brought this topic up (see below), I got a lame answer, so here is my take:
I don't think EB will ever be finished, I firmly believe they are tinkering and tinkering, and keep adding and deleting features, and have so far changed from the original concept, that the direction is unclear, thus the status is unknown. One person might report a week or two before the mod is released, then several months. How many features? Who knows, they don't seem to give clear answers, probably because the EB team simply doesn't know what is happening. Keep adding and tinkering... where they are going, what they are doing, nobody knows!
I expressed this feeling in this thread:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=57433
And of course, I got an indirect and vague answer...
...because the fact is, the guy who answered me doesn't know what is happening, because the entire EB team doesn't know.
While it is just a theory, I'd say believing what I said is easier to do than believing the EB team that EB will be out soon, since they have been saying that for just about, ever? And that just supports my theory of course. Further evidence can be shown also.
Think of EB as a direction, moving toward a realistic mod for RTW, but then realize you'll never reach the goal of realism, thus you can only move toward EB, you'll never actually get it.
Oh well.
you are not with any mod team are you?
you want an ob now? ok then next thing out of your mouth will be bugs! bugs!
since i have learned to skin i have relized how much work they put into mods
ever edit text files? did you know that one typo will cause a ctd? you know how hard it is to find it? also these people have lives, and familys and jobs. its hard to contribute time into that, on top off that they dont get paid to do this they do it because they want to.
and when the see this "post" it discourages them i would think.
think before you say selfish things
(sry you can delete this if you want, im just tired of people bashing a great mod like this:san_cheesy: )
Malrubius
12-23-2005, 05:41
and when the see this "post" it discourages them i would think.
think before you say selfish things
Ah, anybody who gets dis-couraged so easily probably wasn't too 'couraged' to begin with. :san_tongue:
antiochus epiphanes
12-23-2005, 06:57
touche, malrubius.
We are in the process right now of determining if we can make a Christmas release. Because of problems that we can't solve without external help (i.e. a large testing group), and the fact that we hope that you will help us fill out missing information and such once the mod is revealed, the mod is going to become an open beta in a matter of days. I don't know yet if we'll have it by Christmas, as we have to set up the hosting and such, but we'll try.
O_Stratigos
12-23-2005, 10:00
We are in the process right now of determining if we can make a Christmas release. Because of problems that we can't solve without external help (i.e. a large testing group), and the fact that we hope that you will help us fill out missing information and such once the mod is revealed, the mod is going to become an open beta in a matter of days. I don't know yet if we'll have it by Christmas, as we have to set up the hosting and such, but we'll try.
Hip hip!! Hooray!! Hip hip!! Hooray!! Hip hip!! Hooray!!~:cheers: ~:grouphug: :jumping: :jumping: :phonecall: :tomato: ~:thumb: :thrasher: ~D
O Stratigos :bow:
Conqueror
12-23-2005, 12:21
Many players probably have other things to do in christmas so as to not have much time for testing the OB, so delaying the release a bit wouldn't make much difference.
Krusader
12-23-2005, 13:02
you are not with any mod team are you?
you want an ob now? ok then next thing out of your mouth will be bugs! bugs!
since i have learned to skin i have relized how much work they put into mods
ever edit text files? did you know that one typo will cause a ctd? you know how hard it is to find it? also these people have lives, and familys and jobs. its hard to contribute time into that, on top off that they dont get paid to do this they do it because they want to.
and when the see this "post" it discourages them i would think.
think before you say selfish things
(sry you can delete this if you want, im just tired of people bashing a great mod like this:san_cheesy: )
You seem to have inside information :san_tongue:
---
We all got families and friends and jobs and studies to do, and that takes higher priority than EB. And we don't get paid for this either, and this is a hobby of ours, a hobby we do on our spare-time.
As khelvan said the OB will be out soon and I anticipate a flood of bug-complaints, CTD complaints etc. and those wise-ass members who post "you had a year to do this, why ain't it complete" posts. Seems like some members believe MOD teams are draped in wizard cloacks and create stuff using a magic wand, instantly and without flaws.
Anywho, I kind of envy you who will try EB out soon. First time I played a battle with Baktria my jaw almost dropped. Seeing the units marching into battle and all was just awesome...and you will also see the sarissa animation which is very nice.
Many players probably have other things to do in christmas so as to not have much time for testing the OB, so delaying the release a bit wouldn't make much difference.
speak for yourself !
:knight: :knight: :knight:
Spendios
12-23-2005, 14:21
Many players probably have other things to do in christmas so as to not have much time for testing the OB, so delaying the release a bit wouldn't make much difference
It depends, I have personnally a lot of free time during these holidays...
Many players probably have other things to do in christmas so as to not have much time for testing the OB, so delaying the release a bit wouldn't make much difference.
I've got more time than I know what do with.
Well since i don't celebrate this time of year i'll download the open beta as soon as i know it's been released... How long (estimate) do you think it might take to download? I'm thinking around the area of 3 hours since it will be so huge... Although i may be completely wrong and it might take 6 or even 12, but i'll play it for a very good few hours as soon as i get it installed and i shall report here immediately with any problems i find... I fully expect bugs and problems so i will not be whining like most people will...
You will not see from me such things as "omgz you guys suck this mod is bullshit i got a ctd"...
Oh and one last thing.. This mod needs to be installed to a clean version of vanilla 1.2 yes? :san_angry:
And those wise-ass members who post "you had a year to do this, why ain't it complete" posts.
Of course then they'll have many other users jumping on them and hurling insults to them. I guess it'll be a war. :san_rolleyes:
Actually, I will probably post a disclaimer like this, though more nicely worded and such:
You are knowingly downloading a beta version of the mod for the express purpose of helping us to find and fix CTD and other bugs that are present in the mod. All posts that say something like "you suck, I CTD randomly!" will be deleted without comment so as to avoid the inevitable flamewars.
We know you will CTD, that is why we are asking you to test the mod for us, so we can find and fix the source of these problems.
This beta is not being released so that you can "try" the mod, but rather give you the opportunity to help us make it better so that our full release is bug-free.
This, I hope, will curb that sort of post.
0.7.1 should be put together within a few hours. Then, depending on how long it takes to create the new installer and get the file to the hosts, we may very well see a release before Christmas. At the very least, we can probably have a bittorrent running on Christmas Eve.
The file will be in the neighborhood of 250 MB. How long that will take to download will depend on your internet connection and the host you're getting it from. If it is bittorrent, it will depend on how many other users are also downloading it.
Antagonist
12-24-2005, 01:10
*begins to twitch uncontrollably*
Antagonist
Ypoknons
12-24-2005, 01:22
How long (estimate) do you think it might take to download? I'm thinking around the area of 3 hours since it will be so huge... Although i may be completely wrong and it might take 6 or even 12
*DOP* Should have read carefully it's ~250MB. I do apologize.
antiochus epiphanes
12-24-2005, 02:12
um i have a quick question, have you experienced any ctds with custom battles?
Thanks to a little program that Vercingetorix wrote, there should be no problems with the custom battles.
Thanks to a little program that Vercingetorix wrote, there should be no problems with the custom battles.
Wonderful! :san_cheesy:
antiochus epiphanes
12-24-2005, 03:25
THANK YOU GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that is what i do whenever i get a new mod is look at the new units!
Reenk Roink
12-24-2005, 04:23
I'm gonna shotty Makedonia and play them relentlessly to hunt bugs so you all can take different factions :san_grin:.
hellenes
12-24-2005, 08:19
Actually, I will probably post a disclaimer like this, though more nicely worded and such:
You are knowingly downloading a beta version of the mod for the express purpose of helping us to find and fix CTD and other bugs that are present in the mod. All posts that say something like "you suck, I CTD randomly!" will be deleted without comment so as to avoid the inevitable flamewars.
We know you will CTD, that is why we are asking you to test the mod for us, so we can find and fix the source of these problems.
This beta is not being released so that you can "try" the mod, but rather give you the opportunity to help us make it better so that our full release is bug-free.
This, I hope, will curb that sort of post.
0.7.1 should be put together within a few hours. Then, depending on how long it takes to create the new installer and get the file to the hosts, we may very well see a release before Christmas. At the very least, we can probably have a bittorrent running on Christmas Eve.
The file will be in the neighborhood of 250 MB. How long that will take to download will depend on your internet connection and the host you're getting it from. If it is bittorrent, it will depend on how many other users are also downloading it.
Since Torrents have a bad fame on my computer will it be available on filefront or rapidshare?
Or you could ask TWC guys...
Hellenes
Since Torrents have a bad fame on my computer will it be available on filefront or rapidshare?
Or you could ask TWC guys...
Hellenes
I don't have a clue about what Bittorrent or Torrents are. ~:confused:
Anyone care to enlighten me or to tell me how to get/use it? Thanks! :bow:
EDIT: Ok I found the program but I'm unable to get it to work. Whenever I click on a .torrent url I get a blank page. ~:confused:
Faenaris
12-24-2005, 11:00
*reads Khelvan's post*
*reads it again*
EB... soon? Not O.R.B. Soon(tm) ?
*starts smiling*
*loses smile when he remembers he has lots of work to do for his exams*
*starts using explicatives*
me, after resettleing in teh "eager anticipator" group..nice news khelvan!
~;) good to hear EB can cope without my help...
(yes indeed sherlock..that's sarcasm)
Spendios
12-24-2005, 12:53
That's very good news !
Ready for bug-hunting ! (Although I may not be able able to resist the temptation to make custom battles just to see the nice units in action) :san_cool:
Well when i download things i usually get around 100kbps on average... So how long would 250MB's take to download with 100kbps? :san_angry:
And yes, i'm ready and eager to start bug hunting. I got Rome, and the other guy has Macedonia. :san_laugh:
I got bids on Greek Cities. Might have to remove stupid phalanx formation if its there, but will give it a go.
antiochus epiphanes
12-24-2005, 14:32
im taking the getai lol
Prolly taking Iberia/Casse/Qart-Hadasht/Roma
Taliferno
12-24-2005, 14:43
Pontus or Casse for me
Antagonist
12-24-2005, 15:02
I'm looking forward to playing the Aedui.
Incidentally, in light of this being an open beta and the inevitable CTD's and so on, would it be helpful to play it with the show_err commandline, or would only serve to confuse matters?
Antagonist
I don't have a clue about what Bittorrent or Torrents are.
Anyone care to enlighten me or to tell me how to get/use it? Thanks!
EDIT: Ok I found the program but I'm unable to get it to work. Whenever I click on a .torrent url I get a blank page.
Go to www.bittorrent.com
Download the file
Install on your computer
Click on link for EB torrent
EB torrent will save to your cpu (desktop for me)
Double click EB Torrent ICON
Installation has begun.
On the matter of playing with the show_err thing it depends on how the EB team want our feedback on the problems we find... They might make a bug thread which is the easiest option, but it's boung to get full very quickly with spam and whiners, so they may tell us to email our saved game file to such and such an email address which is probably the best option...
So, if they make a bug report thread then playing with show_err on would be the best idea because you can point them to the problem, if it's an email thing just send them your saved game file and carry on playing...
And sorry to keep asking this but nobody gave me an answer - How long would it take to download a 250MB file at 100kbps roughly. :san_angry: :san_grin:
Yes, please play with show_err on. Though generally speaking we've killed all the bugs that show_err is useful for, as they're relatively easy to localize.
No idea on the transfer, off the top of my head. Why not do the math? It is -roughly- (I know, don't give me a hard time) 250 million divided by 100 thousand. You have the means to determine your speed at your own disposal.
Go to www.bittorrent.com
Download the file
Install on your computer
Click on link for EB torrent
EB torrent will save to your cpu (desktop for me)
Double click EB Torrent ICON
Installation has begun.
Thanks! My download speed stays at 0KB/s though. ~:confused:
I tried several torrent links and I always get the download window but it never actually starts downloading. Any idea on how to fix this?
Oh and I know it's not my firewall that's blocking it cuz I gave Bittorrent unrestricted access to the net.
Ragabash
12-24-2005, 16:39
So its already aired in torrent form?
Now if someone could give me the link for EB torrent :san_grin:
Thanks for this great christmas present :san_smiley: :san_smiley:
You need a bittorrent link in order to begin a bittorrent download. In order to have a bittorrent link, someone must create a torrent from the uploaded file. In order to create a torrent, the installer must be ready...and so on, and so forth.
In short, it ain't there yet.
Ragabash
12-24-2005, 16:59
You need a bittorrent link in order to begin a bittorrent download. In order to have a bittorrent link, someone must create a torrent from the uploaded file. In order to create a torrent, the installer must be ready...and so on, and so forth.
In short, it ain't there yet.
Ahhh oke...
I just tought there was torrent already aired because you talked about earlier release at torrent newtwork, Also people talking about EB torrent made me tought you have already made OB release.
Sorry, my bad.
My utorrent is ready and waiting EB to be downloaded. Just make sure you wont disapoint him and release OB soon :san_wink:
Thanks! My download speed stays at 0KB/s though. ~:confused:
I tried several torrent links and I always get the download window but it never actually starts downloading. Any idea on how to fix this?.
Some torrents take time to start up. You need seeders, people with the file or apartial file (more than what you got) to play host or seed for you.
Some times it takes awhile to locate a host and other times it's instant. In my experience, Torrent's are very fast and very safe. It's the only way to go!
Reenk Roink
12-24-2005, 18:45
So...uh...about the website :san_wink:...
Sorry, I would let you see it now, but you can't until the mod is uploaded and ready to go, the team doesn't want the surprises you will see there out until you see the mod.
Speaking of which: There WILL be surprises, we have kept them secret on purpose. Please temper your posts by NOT posting with a title that will spoil a surprise, and preferrably including the word *SPOILER* so that people who want to get the full experience the first time they start up can do so.
Those of you who have followed this mod will know exactly what I mean, be it a building, faction, feature, or unit. If it was a complete surprise to you upon loading the game, it will be a complete surprise to everyone else, so please, no titles like "OMG unit (spoilerhere) iS tEh RoXxoRs!"
I don't think that'll be a problem, as those brave enough to tempt the waters of EB will not likely be heard from for weeks at the minimum :san_laugh:
Reenk Roink
12-24-2005, 22:16
Sorry, I would let you see it now, but you can't until the mod is uploaded and ready to go, the team doesn't want the surprises you will see there out until you see the mod.
See, how can all of you say Khelvan is so evil...
*regrets previously voting Khelvan as most evil EB member*
Speaking of which: There WILL be surprises, we have kept them secret on purpose. Please temper your posts by NOT posting with a title that will spoil a surprise, and preferrably including the word *SPOILER* so that people who want to get the full experience the first time they start up can do so.
:san_lipsrsealed:
Those of you who have followed this mod will know exactly what I mean, be it a building, faction, feature, or unit. If it was a complete surprise to you upon loading the game, it will be a complete surprise to everyone else, so please, no titles like "OMG unit (spoilerhere) iS tEh RoXxoRs!"
Yeah! :san_angry: *shakes fist*
I guess you didn't want to hear that we're adding the Meroe? :san_kiss:
Ypoknons
12-24-2005, 22:36
How's the OB coming anyways? The installer done, uploading or ... ? I was rather hoping to check it out on my flight tomorrow. :san_grin: I know all these expectations and personal wishes must be hard on you, but eh it's the beginning of the end, no?
hellenes
12-24-2005, 22:39
I guess you didn't want to hear that we're adding the Meroe? :san_kiss:
Will it be on Filefront Khelvan?
It allows 462.72 MB bandwith...
Torrents are kinda dangerous...
Hellinas
Large Dave reporting for duty sirs *cocks a toy shotgun* i'm 100% ready to begin the great crusade for which we have striven these many months... We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the trees, and in the fields, we shall fight in the hills, we shall never surrender! as a fat alcaholic warmonger once said... (oh lets not kid ourselves, we all know he was...) erm.. but anyway, give me the OB... LET THE BUG HUNT BEGIN!
Reenk Roink
12-24-2005, 22:51
I guess you didn't want to hear that we're adding the Meroe? :san_kiss:
Gah...So comprehensive and accurate in historical...ness
*gurgle*:stars:
Birka Viking
12-24-2005, 22:54
Lolololol
Haargoth
12-24-2005, 23:26
Man I hope it comes out soon. . . tommorow I am leaving for my grand parents and won't be back till the 30th :san_angry:
We will have many hosts...eventually. It is simply a matter of timing. No, we haven't uploaded it yet, I assure you that you will know as soon as we have. It may be a Christmas Day release, but be assured it will happen as soon as possible.
Haargoth
12-24-2005, 23:31
Ok thanks for the fast reply :san_grin:
deguerra
12-25-2005, 02:14
its christmas day in australia....
okok im sorry khelvan...i do this every time with releases =)
but as has been stated previously i too am ready to kick some serious bug!!
The final version has been compiled and uploaded internally, the installer will be built at some point in the near future, and I expect to be able to have it downloaded by the fans on Christmas Day (in my part of the world, at least).
As it is Christmas Eve, bear with us if we spend some time with the family and get it out on the 26th. I'm still optimistic for a Christmas release, however.
best christmas present EVER. Thanks guys. Nollaig shóna daoibh
ScionTheWorm
12-25-2005, 03:38
wow it's happening... scary thought
Oh theres a storm on the way ~:pissed:
Maybe EB will be out when its over :san_grin:
Cheexsta
12-25-2005, 11:01
Optimistic for a Christmas release? Well, guess who's gonna be refreshing the forums multiple times a minute over the next few hours...
I'm doing that right now too. I come back here, like an idiot, always hoping to see "Open Beta Download".
I just played BI, God! That game is terrible. Generic Units down the boards, sloppy graphics, and an overall boring feel.
EB, where art thou?
Optimistic for a Christmas release? Well, guess who's gonna be refreshing the forums multiple times a minute over the next few hours...
Well, I'm already doing it:san_laugh:
Hopefully it can be downloaded before I go away for a few days...
If i had to go away today i wouldn't download it at all... That would be like walking up to some guy lost in a desert who hasn't had anything to drink for a day... Showing him an ice cold bottle of spring water... Then running away without giving him any... If you get my drift o.O
If you play it for a few hours then have to leave, being away from it is gonna suck even more... Or would you rather play it for a little first before leaving? o.O
If i had to go away today i wouldn't download it at all... That would be like walking up to some guy lost in a desert who hasn't had anything to drink for a day... Showing him an ice cold bottle of spring water... Then running away without giving him any... If you get my drift o.O
If you play it for a few hours then have to leave, being away from it is gonna suck even more... Or would you rather play it for a little first before leaving? o.O
Maybe you are right, but if we get the download link before I have to go, I could hardly stand going away without even downloading it. But I think I won't try it, because I couldn't leave it:san_laugh:
Do you have to go away? What could possibly be more important than enjoying the first 2 or 3 hours of what will be when it's finished the greatest thing ever to happen to RTW?
I bet the RTR crew are shitting it. XD
I think RTR was fun. No other mod came close to it. 99% of all mods either die or are still a work in progress. SO RTR came through and made many mod versions to keep us all happy.
I think they did a good job. EB will probably top all the historical mods, for obvious reasons (seen the previews?) and Blue Lotus will be the best fantasy mod.
Do you have to go away? What could possibly be more important than enjoying the first 2 or 3 hours of what will be when it's finished the greatest thing ever to happen to RTW?
I bet the RTR crew are shitting it. XD
I have to visit my grandparents, though I'm very sad about leaving the possibility of trying the OB out. But I swear I will play it as soon as I get home for days, weeks, months (until the full release will come out). :san_laugh:
And I agree that RTR is quite a good mod, it was the best I knew until I found EB :san_rolleyes:
I'm going now...
Oh i agree RTR was definately fun... RTR revived the game for me when i was at the end of my patience with unrealistic features and other shoddy things CA could have made better had they spent more time on things that mattered instead of making silly unrealistic unit skins like those of 'Egypt'...
But anyway i enjoyed RTR 5.4 which i think as far as i can remember was the first one i played... But my favourite faction has always been Rome... I enjoy playing slow campaigns as realistically and true to life as i can... But in 6.0 the Romans, after the reforms of Marius... Became mind bogglingly boring... And i've never been able to settle into a campaign as another faction because i always go back to Rome...
SPQR mod was also fun but i couldn't play it properly because my PC can't handle huge unit sizes unfortunately... Then i bought BI and saw how much alike it was to the first game, rushed out, full of bugs that these so called game testers should have found (personally i don't think there were any game testers), played it for a week and gave up on RTW for a while.
Then i started reading all the information about the EB mod and stopped playing RTW and BI altogether so that i would be able to enjoy it again once EB is released... RTR did a good job of realism i suppose but the campaign map and battles for some reason got very boring very quickly for me... And i can't get over all the things that EB is putting into the game... The accuracy of it all is amazing i love it...
ScionTheWorm
12-25-2005, 13:12
the late game in rtr was very boring, so I really appreciated the roma mod for 5.4. I hope and think eb will be a challange
I too found 6.0 to be a bit boring after awhile. I did not like the 8-turn "romanization" building. THere was three of them as I recall, totaling over 14 turns of just building time.
SPQR had a good soundtrack, but I found that money had no value in my empire. I was pulling 1000's a year, early on in my campaign.
What really made RTR for me was the ZOR. Conceptually it was brilliant. I can't believe CA did not incorporate it.
If slow building = boring for you, you may not get as much enjoyment out of EB as we would hope.
One of the design goals we have had is to make cities actually WORTH something. That is, it takes a huge amount of both time and money to build a city up. Since some cities start at a rather high level in terms of population and infrastructure, they begin valuable. It would take decades to get the city to that point, if not (and probably) much longer. And this is only the beginning; unless problems are found with this approach, city improvements will probably take even longer and be even more expensive to build as we get a better feel for things.
Our hope is that provinces aren't cookie-cutter any longer. That taking a valuable province can actually be an incredible boon to the economy and military, and losing one can do the opposite.
Some of the other things we have done include de-linking military infrastructure from city size and economic buildings. As both a design decision and a practical one (due to complex limitations) we have compressed all "military building" buildings into one complex, which we affectionately refer to as the MIC (short for military-industrial complex). Rather than having artificial buildings that are supposed to represent the ability to raise a skirmisher unit instead of a sword unit, we have one very expensive, very time-consuming building that can be upgraded independent of city level. This represents all of the physical, political, and other infrastructure needed to raise an army, and is more appropriate to be independent of city level than linked to it. For some factions, such as the Sweboz, it is an absolute necessity, as they lived in a dispersed fashion rather than congregating in huge cities, but had the ability to raise large, effective armies.
Another change is that ships don't represent "ships," but rather entire fleets. This is a concept we had from the very beginning, it isn't a new development. However, we have been working on the implementation, and we do think it is working out rather well. The cost to build these fleets may give you "sticker shock" when you first see it, but they therefore become very costly to lose. I personally think the maintenance is currently too high, but it should be very high (just not at its current level...but that is what betas are for, to fine tune such things.
Speaking of sticker shock, in general the cost of everything in the game has been increased. Lowest level units will be around 800 to build, at least, and high-end cavalry perhaps 4500, and elephant units 12,000. Some of the most expensive buildings approach 30,000. Our hope is that the game becomes an actual challenge, where money is a real issue and choosing whether to create a current military, build infrastructure for a better one, or build up the economics becomes an actual choice, rather than "build everything everywhere."
There are many aspects which may seem confusing at first. But, we're here to help.
antiochus epiphanes
12-25-2005, 18:39
so where is it lol?
im dieing here lol
Ypoknons
12-25-2005, 18:41
Crap. I'm a JFK airport already. Well, 16 more than hours without EB eh? Have fun with family all. Happy holidays and all.
ScionTheWorm
12-25-2005, 18:42
that's so what I wanted to hear. provinces that's more valuable than others are something I've always missed in mods, where if you're just agressive enough, you rule the game after a very short time. I like that prices are high
Ypoknons
12-25-2005, 19:15
What are unit walk speeds in EB? Slower than vanilla? I have to admit I rather enjoyed RTR's slow unit speeds despite the animation wierdness...
The_Mark
12-25-2005, 19:27
Slower, much slower. Don't hold me to this, as I haven't played vanilla in a long time, but I'd say that EB cavalry running is about as fast as vanilla infantry running. At least, that's what it felt like when I tried vanilla a long while ago.
Oh no... Don't tell me they're mega slow with bad animations like in the RTR mod... I don't mind units moving slowly though as long as the animations match. >.<
Our speeds have been adjusted, but I am not sure if we have done it by animation yet or not. We used to adjust it by terrain modifiers (which would cause the slowness you speak of), but I believe one of Verci's public tools allowed us to adjust the animation speeds, changing the movement without making it seem like they were moon-walking.
O'ETAIPOS
12-25-2005, 19:37
Slower, much slower. Don't hold me to this, as I haven't played vanilla in a long time, but I'd say that EB cavalry running is about as fast as vanilla infantry running. At least, that's what it felt like when I tried vanilla a long while ago.
So how you managed Cav charge bonus?
It seems to be tuned to vanilia unit speeds, as in many mods it seems to have no visible effect.
Reenk Roink
12-25-2005, 19:41
O ye of little faith...
O'ETAIPOS
12-25-2005, 19:46
O ye of little faith...
I have seen RTR's about 150 values
I have seen them limited by code to 63
My hope had faded ...
the_handsome_viking
12-25-2005, 19:50
Any chances of seeing a few building pictures? I mean it is christmas after all :san_sad:
The_Mark
12-25-2005, 19:51
The charge is there. We have talented folks taking care of units, and keep in mind, that what I said is mostly based on feeling.
As long as my units don't moonwalk... If there's one thing i can't stand above everything else in a mod it's moonwalking units... Lovely, shiney realistic historically accurate units... Moonwalking like micheal jackson. :san_angry:
We have used a combination of other stats, in a perhaps less elegant but almost as effective solution, until we port to 1.5.
O'ETAIPOS
12-25-2005, 21:40
Why do you mention 1.5? Is there any bug connected with charge?
I was sure it caused by slowing down - read that very high bonuses has effect, and I never noticed this problem in vanilia.
Laundreu
12-26-2005, 03:27
Why do you mention 1.5? Is there any bug connected with charge?
I was sure it caused by slowing down - read that very high bonuses has effect, and I never noticed this problem in vanilia.
Last I heard, the bug was that the Armor stat had more effect on charge bonus' than, say, the Charge stat.
There was an acknolwedged charge bug fixed in 1.5, yes.
antiochus epiphanes
12-26-2005, 03:40
is it done yet?
lol im such a bicth.
Sorry, I never know if my posts on the .org or TWC are read in the other place, and where I say what. Thankfully we didn't have the leak here we had there...
Anyway, we had problems with the open beta build as well as creating the installer, so as time goes by a Christmas Day release is looking less and less likely, but if not today, then it should be ready tomorrow.
ScionTheWorm
12-26-2005, 03:58
Damn I thought it was out now (luckily not, I'm drunk and jost arrived from the city, wanna be the first to try it tomorrow or whatever day it's released) I feel a real christmas feeling on the board now. Moonwalk or not, slowdown is a must.
Strange eb members suddenly post, must be a good sign from the gods
vizigothe
12-26-2005, 04:00
doesnt chanukah start tomorrow?
if so you still got it out for one of the holidays :D
Wow good thing I was in bed asleep nothing was for me :)
Ragabash
12-26-2005, 10:59
I know, you dont know exact time that when you are going to release OB.
Anyhow, it would be nice to hear is the release days away or can I count hours already?
Even you don't have exact time when installer is ready you must have an idea will it take few more days or hours :san_grin:
I hope you won't get mad at me, I'm just too anxious to get this mod and you guys are driving me nuts :san_shocked:
Good luck for your team, you really are one hard working people doing mod under christmas vacation just so we fans can play, BIG thanks for all you have and will do for us.
PS. You can always release files in .rar or .zip format for us to overwrite original ones hehe. :san_wink:
PS. You can always release files in .rar or .zip format for us to overwrite original ones hehe. :san_wink:
The problem with that is you would get a heap of people claming to have bugs when really they just can't install the game properly of course you will still get that with an installer just not as many.
Ragabash
12-26-2005, 15:11
The problem with that is you would get a heap of people claming to have bugs when really they just can't install the game properly of course you will still get that with an installer just not as many.
Hmmm... they could always make .rar with all files in correct folders at data\...
Then people would just need to extract .rar to the folder where they have installed original RTW and replace all files needed with new ones.
Just would not like to wait a week to get my hands to EB if installer is not ready. There really is no such need for installer while you can do same thing with winrar or similiar quite easy :san_shocked:
Spendios
12-26-2005, 15:28
Hmmm... they could always make .rar with all files in correct folders at data\...
Then people would just need to extract .rar to the folder where they have installed original RTW and replace all files needed with new ones.
Just would not like to wait a week to get my hands to EB if installer is not ready. There really is no such need for installer while you can do same thing with winrar or similiar quite easy :san_shocked:
That's true !
saulot333
12-26-2005, 17:10
Let's trust in EB's wisdom...
Well how's it looking...? What are the chances of there being an "OB download" thread on this forum within the next 24 hours or less? :san_grin:
I'm eager to get it you see because my new years resolutions are to be more active, do more around the house and get at least 1 hour of semi-vigorous excersize in per day so i'll look great for my trip to America next june... So if i get the OB today or tomorrow i can vegetate in front of the PC and let my brain absorb it for 3 or 4 days before i have to start doing all that crud... :san_angry:
...Aside from that i'm looking forward to uniting (by force, obviously) the Italian peninsula under the red flag and (if no major bugs stop me) civilizing those smelly culture-less barbarians to the north, west and north-east of it! And i'm looking forward to those early Roman units like phalanxable Triarii and Accensi and the new naval system and GAH i want it :san_angry: ...
saulot333
12-26-2005, 18:04
Well, it's now or never (and for never I mean the next week, being that the installer guy from tomorrow will be unavailable for a week)
Reenk Roink
12-26-2005, 18:12
Well, it's now or never (and for never I mean the next week, being that the installer guy from tomorrow will be unavailable for a week)
GAH hurry please! :scastle:
Well if the installer maker guy goes away it wouldn't be too much trouble to do it so we can download a zip file and unzip it to our RTW directory... Anybody can do that, and anybody who can't... Well... It'd take 2 seconds to type instructions up.
saulot333
12-26-2005, 19:55
Mmmm...EB members' absence from the board is...suspicious. Or maybe they are just sleeping ;)
Faenaris
12-26-2005, 20:17
Mmmm...EB members' absence from the board is...suspicious. Or maybe they are just sleeping ;)
Or maybe they fled their countries in fear of the Mob!
Birka Viking
12-26-2005, 20:45
Please realise the beta now....Cant wait any more...*Släpp den nu*LOL
*Stands with a flaming torch in one hand and a pitchfork in the other*
They're no need to fear us, as long as they release it sometime today or early tomorrow. :san_grin:
vizigothe
12-26-2005, 20:48
ironically enough
i cannot install RTW it errors everytime, says that it cant access the building textures or something on the 3rd disk
Birka Viking
12-26-2005, 20:49
That sounds very strange?
Indeed... :san_huh:
If you tell me exactly which file i could email it to you provided it isn't too big and you know how to insert it manually...
I get errors when I install Rome as well. Although I just pound the retry button in total refusal to accept facts and it eventually gives up making me cry and installs the damn thing. Guess I just know how to handle PCs.
vizigothe
12-26-2005, 21:30
ahh its all good now the gods of war have smiled upon me. It decided to install after I gave up on it and started reading about the Battle of Megiddo when the Pharaoh Thutmose III sieged the city and put down the King of Kadesh's rebellion. I look up and it is asking for disk 1. JOY!!!
so can we have an update?
vizigothe
12-26-2005, 22:13
absolutly, Moonraker is playing on Spike right now and we are hopefully waiting for them to finish the upload
this is what happens when EB makes a promise:
a: They didn't make it, wich is understandable, but fans start bitching
b: they make it late, and caffeine-crazy-spammers drive the normal ones nuts...
Reenk Roink
12-27-2005, 00:30
*weeps*~:mecry:
cute disappearing act they pull :san_cry:
cute disappearing act they pull :san_cry:This is the thanks I get for working my ass off for you guys on CHRISTMAS DAY?
Contrary to what you may or may not believe, I do have a life, and my wife wasn't exactly happy that I spent time working on this mod on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day. I've been extremely patient and tried to do my best to give accurate estimates.
I am so VERY sorry that I cannot be here 24/7 to serve your every need. Is there ANYTHING else I can do to serve you? If you tell me where you live I can perhaps send you some gift to make up for my absence. Please let me know if there is anything more I can do for you.
This is the thanks I get for working my ass off for you guys on CHRISTMAS DAY?
Contrary to what you may or may not believe, I do have a life, and my wife wasn't exactly happy that I spent time working on this mod on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day. I've been extremely patient and tried to do my best to give accurate estimates.
I am so VERY sorry that I cannot be here 24/7 to serve your every need. Is there ANYTHING else I can do to serve you? If you tell me where you live I can perhaps send you some gift to make up for my absence. Please let me know if there is anything more I can do for you.
I'm sorry. but you're taking ti the wrong way..we're just excided, not disapointed...
(maybe there're some exeptions...)
I'm thankful for what you and everyone else in EB are doing... I understand that you all (i think) have jobs and that on christmas day and boxing day as we call it here for some reason you obviously want to just relax with the time you have off... Everyone is impatient, just some more than others i suppose...
For the guy whose 3rd disc is not working
Go to torrentspy and just download the game. Burn only the third disc. It's not really stealing since you bought it to begin with..
Jerby, I know what you mean.
Please be patient. Putting together a mod of this magnitude is not just a matter of sticking things into an archive and sending it out.
Every change we make to try and fix something can cause further problems. Even if there will be CTDs (and there will, make no mistake) in the beta, there are some things that won't work for testing. For instance, we recently made a change to the governments implementation to better be able to test its functionality. Unfortunately that broke the scripting around it, so we had to make some building and scripting changes to make it work again. Without governments working, the campaign is crippled, and testing is worthless.
It will be released in a matter of days, if not today, not months, so just be patient. I'm busting my ass to get it out today, and I will continue to update you.
However, I can't promise not to be upset if someone makes a comment out of some sense of undeserved entitlement.
Reenk Roink
12-27-2005, 01:08
This is the thanks I get for working my ass off for you guys on CHRISTMAS DAY?
Contrary to what you may or may not believe, I do have a life, and my wife wasn't exactly happy that I spent time working on this mod on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day. I've been extremely patient and tried to do my best to give accurate estimates.
I am so VERY sorry that I cannot be here 24/7 to serve your every need. Is there ANYTHING else I can do to serve you? If you tell me where you live I can perhaps send you some gift to make up for my absence. Please let me know if there is anything more I can do for you.
Khelvan, we know you have a life and a wife, and you should go spend time with them. I also now am able to fully grasp why you did not like giving deadlines, they make everyone unhappy (look in awe with the wisdom of EB).
Please don't get mad as us fans, we all wuv you (most of us) :san_cheesy: .
And fans, there are plenty of spam threads to keep us busy, plus if you ask nicely, you may get a detail or two about the upcoming release.
Khelvan, please don't take it seriously. We are all nervously checking this every twenty minutes or so, and there seems to be no activity by EB members. This most likely means you are hard at work getting the OB ready, but every one is worried you are not going to release it today.
It's a compliment, even though it doesn't seem that way.
Please be patient. Putting together a mod of this magnitude is not just a matter of sticking things into an archive and sending it out.
Every change we make to try and fix something can cause further problems. Even if there will be CTDs (and there will, make no mistake) in the beta, there are some things that won't work for testing. For instance, we recently made a change to the governments implementation to better be able to test its functionality. Unfortunately that broke the scripting around it, so we had to make some building and scripting changes to make it work again. Without governments working, the campaign is crippled, and testing is worthless.
It will be released in a matter of days, if not today, not months, so just be patient. I'm busting my ass to get it out today, and I will continue to update you.
However, I can't promise not to be upset if someone makes a comment out of some sense of undeserved entitlement.
for me, this counts as good news...
for youself probabaly not (~;) )
get some sleep...stuff yourself full..go tease your drunken uncle..it's christmas!
wolftrapper78
12-27-2005, 01:16
I just wanted to say thank you for all of the hard work that you guys have put into this great thing that you call EB. This truly is a work of art and I want you to know that it is much appreciated.
Reenk Roink
12-27-2005, 01:16
for me, this counts as good news...
for youself probabaly not (~;) )
get some sleep...stuff yourself full..go tease your dunken uncle..it's christmas!
Yeah, I could dunk over him :san_rolleyes:
Yeah, I could dunk over him :san_rolleyes:
it 1:20 Am, gimme a break..~;)
Artabrii
12-27-2005, 01:23
Go gu, thanks for your hard work!
hellenes
12-27-2005, 01:27
Please be patient. Putting together a mod of this magnitude is not just a matter of sticking things into an archive and sending it out.
Every change we make to try and fix something can cause further problems. Even if there will be CTDs (and there will, make no mistake) in the beta, there are some things that won't work for testing. For instance, we recently made a change to the governments implementation to better be able to test its functionality. Unfortunately that broke the scripting around it, so we had to make some building and scripting changes to make it work again. Without governments working, the campaign is crippled, and testing is worthless.
It will be released in a matter of days, if not today, not months, so just be patient. I'm busting my ass to get it out today, and I will continue to update you.
However, I can't promise not to be upset if someone makes a comment out of some sense of undeserved entitlement.
Khelvan
I sympathise your efforts and labor and since Im a bit cooled off the whole fanboish rage...I believe what people mostly want is not the mod be released as soon as possible in itself but not to be kept in the dark as to what actually happening...
I hope that it gets released soon and the bugs get ironed out...
Hellenes
I think khelvan should delay the release for a few days even if it's ready. That'd show us. We might even get a laugh or two out of the people going completely nuts.
:san_grin:
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a mob to run away from.
Khelvan
I sympathise your efforts and labor and since Im a bit cooled off the whole fanboish rage...I believe what people mostly want is not the mod be released as soon as possible in itself but not to be kept in the dark as to what actually happening...
I hope that it gets released soon and the bugs get ironed out...
Hellenes
Kept in the dark?
There has been plenty of infomation.
Reenk Roink
12-27-2005, 01:39
it 1:20 Am, gimme a break..~;)
NO! How can you rest while the rest of the EB crew slaves over their computers?
:san_tongue:
Specifically, since the internal release on the 24th, I have had to:
- changed some arabian rebel garrison locations to be inside their proper cities
- made dayuan rebels mobile
- beefed up indian rebels
- changed Roman starting units to set legions
- changed superfluous rebel_ and merc_ dictionary entries
- changed Punic Q to K
- fixed some issues with navies
- swapped reforms1 and reforms4 in EBBS
I still have to adjust the recruitment area of the african forest elephant, add the recruitment strings for our only (for now) siege artillery (the catapulta), add the copied unit cards and unit info pics, add some changes to the traits that were making it so that our Greek ethnicities weren't working properly, adding the governments changes that were made to make the precursor buildings work properly, try to get our new culture-specific GUIs to show up properly, and update Roman recruitment strings.
Our campaign model changes made ships no longer visible, so that had to be fixed, we had an issue with our reforms buildings that would have swapped polybian and marian reforms (that would have been interesting), we had some immobile rebels stuck outside of their cities, and we decided on a transliteration of "K" for now rather than "Q," which will probably be changed to Q once the images have been updated after the OB is out.
The unit card/unit info pic issue is rather important, as with our full unit recruitment implementation many units are available to many factions, and most of those factions don't have a copy of the unit card available, leaving them grey peasants. We have to copy the proper files to all the directories, especially for custom battles, until we make a multiplayer/custom export_descr_unit which has the proper ownership for the units, so that not every faction can use a ton of units they usually won't ever be recruiting, as they can now. This has to be done so it is less confusing to the beta players.
Right now Romans can be recruited in the wrong "level" of building, and so it must be updated too.
So you see, while critical work goes on to fix issues (the governments and reforms issues were campaign breakers in that respect), lots of other things go on to fix problems in the meantime. We don't NEED to have the unit cards there, but believe me, it looks a hell of a lot better and is much less confusing when they are.
I would like to think we can make a late-tonight release, but that depends on a number of factors coming together. I'm making arrangements to take over the building of the installer if Verci leaves before we're done, so it won't be next year if it isn't today.
However, the next thing someone says to the tune of "why didn't you do X???" I will show to my wife, and let her respond here.
Believe me, you don't want that. There is no one I fear more.
Reenk Roink
12-27-2005, 01:56
What about mom?
...or Dad, with the belt-buckle.
BTW, where are these dayuan rebels located?
They're located in DaYuan, which is why I called them DaYuan rebels.
Edit: I'm far too old to be scared of mom or dad. Besides, no one fears them. They're like Mom and Dad Cleaver, only nicer.
Reenk Roink
12-27-2005, 02:02
*burned by bitter sarcasm*
*kept in ignorance*
*weeps more*
Simetrical
12-27-2005, 02:04
I bet the RTR crew are shitting it. XDNah, only about three or four people were ever really dissing EB, and they're all gone. As someone who idles in #rometotalrealism 24/7, I can assure you that no one has been insulting EB there for ages.
doesnt chanukah start tomorrow?
if so you still got it out for one of the holidays :DChanukah started about 27 hours ago EST. Kwanzaa started about 20 hours ago (as though any RTW player celebrates it). So you're out of luck on that score. You still have another six days for Chanukah to be over (New Year's, Chanukah, and Kwanzaa all end on the same day this year). Ramadan, of course, was over about seven weeks ago.
Not that there's a gift-giving tradition for any of the aforesaid holidays, granted . . .
hellenes
12-27-2005, 02:24
Nah, only about three or four people were ever really dissing EB, and they're all gone. As someone who idles in #rometotalrealism 24/7, I can assure you that no one has been insulting EB there for ages.
Chanukah started about 27 hours ago EST. Kwanzaa started about 20 hours ago (as though any RTW player celebrates it). So you're out of luck on that score. You still have another six days for Chanukah to be over (New Year's, Chanukah, and Kwanzaa all end on the same day this year). Ramadan, of course, was over about seven weeks ago.
Not that there's a gift-giving tradition for any of the aforesaid holidays, granted . . .
Just imagine Simetrical...
A guy opens the Org EB forums webpage for the first time after buying RTW+BI and downloads the OB...
What a lucky bastard that would be...
No wait no anticipation right straight to the end..
Hellenes
Teleklos Archelaou
12-27-2005, 02:38
What about mom?
...or Dad, with the belt-buckle.
BTW, where are these dayuan rebels located?The ferghana valley, whose 'capital city' is Alexandria-Eschate, under Seleukid control at the start of the game. The Seleukids need to be more terrified there and less likely to retain the province (than they currently are) in a game as the AI. :san_grin:
Reenk Roink
12-27-2005, 02:47
The ferghana valley, whose 'capital city' is Alexandria-Eschate, under Seleukid control at the start of the game. The Seleukids need to be more terrified there and less likely to retain the province (than they currently are) in a game as the AI. :san_grin:
*dries tears to read this*
Also, one more question, are you having two Celtic playable factions or just the Aedui.
*hopes to see Arverni*
vizigothe
12-27-2005, 03:10
Ramadan, of course, was over about seven weeks ago.
Not that there's a gift-giving tradition for any of the aforesaid holidays, granted . . .
Ramadan doesnt matter since they arent allowed to use any electronics or other stuff like that...never stops my best friend tho he can be seen online every ramadan complaining about how annoying his dad is yelling at him about using the computer :san_tongue:
I believe if the celts are one of the remaining unnamed factions, we might not get an answer. :)
Technically there would be two celtic factions - the Casse and mainland gallic ones. :P
Reenk Roink
12-27-2005, 03:20
I believe if the celts are one of the remaining unnamed factions, we might not get an answer. :)
Technically there would be two celtic factions - the Casse and mainland gallic ones. :P
Gah, you're right, it's just that there was speculation that the Arverni might be in early on...
The Casse are in Briton and the Adeui are on the mainland. From the preivews they look fantastic.
The Casse look the best, imo, but will be hard to play since they rely on champion units to make up for the overall poor morale in the army.
It will be a challenge, but fun! I like sitting on the Island. I can plot my mainland attack, in peace, and always have a fall back if the launch is not successful.
Three if you want to count the melange of cultures which are the Iberians.
mattholomew
12-27-2005, 04:15
i was just wondering if when the most of the current ctd bugs are resolved, will a fixed, less buggy version of the open beta be released?
also i want to thank all the EB members for their hard work. I don't post much but i have been eagerly awaiting this excellent mod for the longest time and i really appreciate all of you working so hard, voluntarily, for the RTW community. thanks.
We will release patches on a relatively quick basis, going forward. More like our internal release schedule.
scipio_aemilianus
12-27-2005, 05:06
However, the next thing someone says to the tune of "why didn't you do X???" I will show to my wife, and let her respond here.
Believe me, you don't want that. There is no one I fear more.
You are doing right. There is nothing more scary that a very angry and mad woman.
Teleklos Archelaou
12-27-2005, 05:11
Yeah, and if folks want the beta to improve they will also have to be willing to have updates that *might* not be compatible with saves of their ongoing games. The whole purpose of releaseing the open beta now is to get help from more testers, not to give people something to play long campaigns on *at this point*.
vizigothe
12-27-2005, 05:14
hey man anything for a better playing experience
The mod has been sent to Verci now. He has the files but has had problems with the installer, and may have to go to bed soon. If he does, he'll try to get up early to finish it tomorrow before he leaves.
If he leaves without completing it, I will attempt to complete it. We may consider a release in archive form at that point. Unfortunately this would not be ideal, for obvious reasons. One way or the other, it will be soon.
Mouzafphaerre
12-27-2005, 06:18
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Ramadan doesnt matter since they arent allowed to use any electronics or other stuff like that...
Who told you that? Gargamel? :san_huh:
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vizigothe
12-27-2005, 06:21
i dont know thats what my friend told me
mebbe he is insanse being a matholic or a cuslim
whichever you prefer, i think he was suppose to be fastign and praying who knows
Mouzafphaerre
12-27-2005, 07:12
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Well, people are entitled to do whatever silliness they can but no such silliness should be made up onto religion, r anything else. :san_wink: (Confusing? Never mind! :san_cool:)
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vizigothe
12-27-2005, 07:15
dont worry about trying to confuse me, his family confuses me enuff. his grandma doesnt speak any english and she looks at me like i am the white devil
its kinda scary
Ypoknons
12-27-2005, 11:48
YES! It's out. Years of waiting... has come to today. I'm getting 310kbps from the EB server, so that's pretty good.:san_laugh:
Did someone work overnight on the installer?
Yes, many people worked hard to get this done. Vercingetorix is responsible for the installer, and at least one of the hosts, and he has to drive many miles today. Let's all pray to Zeus that he doesn't fall asleep at the wheel!
Please read this before downloading:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=58619
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