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Siris
11-04-2004, 15:54
As playing with the Greek faction, if you claim your Capital Sparta from the start, I belive that you gain one unit of Spartan Hoplites, I have the unit sizes on large, so my unit was 81 Spartan Hoplites.

They started off from Sparta one day, the Capital of my Empire, to march North to assist in the taking of Athens. Uniting with over 2,000 Greeks, they marched upon Athens, and easily over took the defenders, with around three lost men in the battle.

They returned to Sparta, & stayed there for two years, as the situation with the Roman family Scipii grew harder & more die on Sicily, where the faction heir & future Emperor was defending his great city of Syacrause, battle after battle, defying the Romans the entry & claim to his city.

As the war intensified, the Bruti family decided to unlease a attack upon the Spartan homelands, and marched upon the growing Spartan Empire from the north. Clashing with many hundreds of greek hoplites, and beating them back many miles.

To save the city (which cant remember the name, right above the main Greek cities to the left), they fought hard & long on the defense, & repeled the Romans.

The Spartan Hoplites set off from the Capital on a dire mission to protect their lands. They marched towards the previous Macedonian Captial that was captured by the Spartan Empire, then taken by the Bruti Romans. There they fought in the valley's to deter the acending Bruti armies. Taking sever losses due to the horrific battles that took place, the once mighty 81 manned unit of Spartan Hoplites was now a mear 8 men.

They were sent to the fields to the west, to ensure the Bruti military did not gain any more ground there, since they had been halted in valley's suffering crushing defeat after defeat.

They arrived, astonished to see that of the once powerful Greek first army units, were all down to just 31 men a piece or less, some a tad bit more. They joined up with the army there, pledging their lives to the defense of the Greek homelands.

Six months later, the Bruti army marched upon their incampment, with over 4,000 soliders. They were over whelmed, but yet, stood their ground with their Greek brothers. The battle took place, and they were out numbered with their forces of some 450 or less men, against Bruti's military of over 4,000 soliders.

The fight enraged, as the phalanx line was completely surrounded by the Romans. The light calvery was demolished by arrow & enemy calvery attacks, and routed from the field. The phalanx was split in three's, and both were suffering incredable losses. All of the Greeks but two units of them, and the Spartans, routed, but by being surrounded, they were demolsihed, the ones that did escape out of the death trap, were ran down by Roman light calvery, as they had learned to do from the Greeks, which on the battlefields they fought they spared no one.

The now six remaining Spartan Hoplites were heart borken, but they stood & kept on fighting, to the last man. At last even the last two Greek units broke & ran, with just one Spartan Holpite left, of the origial 81. He had witnessed the deaths of his 80 brothers, and stood alone on the field surrounded by thousands of Romans, as his Greek brothers ran in fear & were being massacred by calvery & arrows.

The attention then turned upon him, where he struck down his last three Roman soliders, and then feel by being stabbed in the back, by a Bruti Hastati.

The Spartan Holpites never gave up, even when the situation was hopelssley lost, they stood & fought to the last man, and died, for the country.

This really happened in my Campaign. The war still goes on to this day, but the Spartan Empire is about to have a turn around, as their leader is leading an army against Bruti's Capital, and then Scipii's this Friday, where we will be triumphent, and the tide of the war, will turn. Estimated losses to the Spartan Empire side, are 5,000+, estimated Roman losses of all of their sides, 25,000+.

Siris
11-04-2004, 16:12
Well come'on someone read it!!! Its good! Took me a whole 5 minutes to type it to. ~:)

warlordmb
11-04-2004, 16:23
Nice story.

'Salute the Emperor. Go and die with honour'.

or

'Friend. Go tell the Spartans. That, true to thier laws, here we lie'.

Siris
11-04-2004, 16:24
I just want to know when I can create some more of those Spartan Hoplites, their kick @$$!!! They like hardley ever retreat, and fight to the last man, which is what I want from my army. ~:)

warlordmb
11-04-2004, 16:43
I just want to know when I can create some more of those Spartan Hoplites, their kick @$$!!! They like hardley ever retreat, and fight to the last man, which is what I want from my army. ~:)

If memory serves - they can be recruited from sparta only (I think they are a unique unit) and require higher level tier barracks upgrade (5th level ?????).

eeyoredragon
11-04-2004, 17:02
If memory serves - they can be recruited from sparta only (I think they are a unique unit) and require higher level tier barracks upgrade (5th level ?????).

Indeed they can only be recruited in Sparta (shocking, eh?) and you need an Army Barrack and preferably with an Awesome Temple of Nike (+3 experience I think) and a Foundry (+3 in attack and +3 in armour I presume).

:duel:

Akka
11-04-2004, 17:06
Sparta or Syracuse only (don't ask me why :dizzy2: ), and they can be built with Army Barracks (level 4).

And yes, they are extremely powerful. Beware of ranged attack, though, as they only have 3 armour.

Empedocles
11-04-2004, 17:56
I'm fighting as the Brutii and it took me few years to conquer the greeks, but I can say that their hoplites gave me a hard time trying to defeat them.
They established an army in the narrow pass west of Athens wich was of nearly 600 hoplites, 80 spartans and 150 archers aprox.
I fought them with almos five armies until I won, and the spartans were really hard to be crushed (specially because I didn't want to use archers against them because it would be unfair)
In one battle (the 3rd) they were separated from the main army because I managed to encircle them with Hastati and Equites (50 I suposse) . They were down to 5 men when their banner started changing to white, so I pay attention to other fight.
It wasn't that much when I figured that three spartan soldiers have survived, their banner was really red, and they were attacking my princeps rear!!!
This action was important for the complete routing of my army and I have to say I was so impress by the stand of those soldiers that my next faction will be Greeks.

Diego, from Argentina

PS: good story, the city isn't thesalonica??

RZST
11-04-2004, 20:51
They established an army in the narrow pass west of Athens wich was of nearly 600 hoplites, 80 spartans and 150 archers aprox.
I fought them with almos five armies until I won, and the spartans were really hard to be crushed (specially because I didn't want to use archers against them because it would be unfair)

sounds alot like the battle of Thermopylae. just remember, all's fair in love and war.. :charge:

as for the topic, nice story =). those brave spartas died honorably. in my greek campaign i only use my spartans if im sure im not going to loose any one of em =P theyre my preeeecccious...preeeeccciousssss.

Empedocles
11-04-2004, 21:20
It was like thermopyle,but they were many more man and it did happen in a serious of battles before I won.
Let's say that 700 of their soldiers killed or routed 3000 of mine.

Impressive.

Diego, from ARgentina

aw89
11-04-2004, 21:29
to bad that the only way for the AI to have a chance is to set it up so that they get +XXX stats... :(

I want better AI!!!! :duel:

Silver Rusher
11-04-2004, 21:45
I believe that Spartan Hoplites can also be changed in Syracuse, is this true?

Basileus
11-04-2004, 22:02
yeah its Syracuse and Sparta only for spartan hoplites, nice story

eeyoredragon
11-05-2004, 00:28
Why Syracuse? :dizzy2:

In my Greek campaign I was about to build an Army Barrack in Syracuse and the bulding description said I could build Spartan Hoplites with an AB in Syracuse. Me: Yeee-haaaaw. But when the friggin' bulding is built I can't build Spartan Hoplites there. Me: Oh, bummers.

But I guess that makes since, since Spartan Hoplites are Spartan Hoplites.

:duel:

Siris
11-05-2004, 02:35
Yes, they fought hard vs. their mortal enemies to defend their homeland.

They died yes, but they died well.

Uesugi Kenshin
11-05-2004, 04:17
Sparta is god! Kill weak babies! Death to Athens!

Siris
11-05-2004, 04:22
Athens?! Its my 3rd largest city & helps on the formost production of my Aromoured Hoplites to take on the Bruti's acending forces from the North!

lismore
11-05-2004, 10:58
Sparta or Syracuse only (don't ask me why :dizzy2: ), .

Syracuse was a Spartan colony ~;)

Siris
11-05-2004, 14:49
Did they have any other colonies? Because I want to know where to advance my cities the most so I can get those Spartan warriors!

nokhor
11-05-2004, 16:54
i believe tarentum in italy was the only spartan colony. i think that sparta and syracuse were both founded by dorian greeks and as such had a closer ethnic affinity than say athens which was considered an ionian greek city.

Khuyildar
11-05-2004, 17:07
Nice story.

I just love killing Spartans, and all elite troops generally, with slingers. In all their over-eliteness they get killed by a stone.

Siris
11-05-2004, 19:58
I've lost about 15 men total to slinger, and they rest of the slingers got massacred by my light calvery. So your slingers are just outright sad! :bow:

Khuyildar
11-05-2004, 20:56
I've lost about 15 men total to slinger, and they rest of the slingers got massacred by my light calvery. So your slingers are just outright sad! :bow:Slings are sad, because you can massacre them with your light cav?

Fascinating.

Would you also suggest, that HAs are outright sad because they get massacred by light cavalry?

Siris
11-05-2004, 23:09
HA's? No bro, I'm just speaking from experience. ~:) On the seige battles, the enemy slingers killed like two guys, and all were massacred, for nothing! A waste of time from what I've experienced so far. But mabye that's because they were trying to sling up my 50 ft. stone walls, and I had archer unit on them, plus the two arrow fireing towers, lol!

Uesugi Kenshin
11-06-2004, 04:20
Siris by the way Sparta was the traditional enemy of Athens for many years and conquered Athens twice. That is why I said death to Athens because a true Spartan would never cooperate with Athens before thouroughly defeating the citizens. Two of Sparta's greatest wars were fought against Athens and her allies.

edwardusbenedictus
11-06-2004, 07:49
With the shield or on it

sapi
11-06-2004, 08:28
I set up a custom battle with my spartan hoplites in a town vs 3 roman armies, computer chosen. After 30min, i quit, with about 3000 casulaties inflicted vs 300 taken.

They rule!!

My only complaint was that i won the game before i got to use them in battle...

HopAlongBunny
11-06-2004, 10:41
Thank you for the story ~:)

I was impressed with the Spartan's in my Greek campaign; spent the entire campaign trying to figure out how to get more (the last 2sp's were retired to Sparta) never did get another unit :embarassed:

Siris
11-06-2004, 14:23
I'm now creating them in Sparta & Syracuse, but I've already lost about 7 of them in my homelands (just north of Sparta in the war vs. Bruti there), but they killed over 1,400+ enemies! Da** I love these guys! But they take two years to create, and are only able to be produced in Syracuse & Sparta.

In Syracuse, I have yet to use them in action. I sent two units, along with some Ongars by ship to Rome to assist the seige there, but the ship was sunk... :embarassed: I lost 180 prime Spartans, and they never got the chance to fight.