STW mod Clan Wars Competition

[Tomisama]

When current work on the STW ME/MI mod for MTW/VI is finished, what do you think about having a 4v4, Clan vs. Clan Competition?

I am asking to see if there would be enough interest to consider working this up.

If you “think” that this is something your Clan “might” like to be involved in, please post here.

No commitments, just trying to see if it is worth while thinking more about :book:

Thanks in advance!

Tomi

[L'Impresario]

I personally would enjoy a CWC, based on a mod, something not attempted so far. I'm pretty confident that other VDM members would agree, altho the 4v4 format might be hard to follow, unless the VI lobby gets even more people back.

[Puzz3D]

I pretty sure at least four mizus would be interested.

[Nem]

I think some Kenchi's would be interested

[Tomisama]

Well that’s good enough reason to get started ~;)

Thanks guys!

I Will be putting together a special version of the CWC called "Samurai Clan Wars" (as I believe this will be the Classic of all Classic Total War mods, and deserves it’s own space).

The contest it’s self will be a map position driven 4v4 competition.

Will post a link to the work here, as soon as I have something to show.

Any other Clans up for some Shogun style fun with this great MTW/VI mod?

[Sp00n]

Yes Yuuki, Ill play be nice to watch the Sams in action again.

MizuSp00n

[Jochi Khan]

And another Mizu. :duel:

Jochi

[Tomisama]

Have been bumping around the web trying to find a topographical map of Japan without labels plastered all over it. Got six so far, but none suitable enough for a background for the Samurai Clan Wars Contest Map.

If you know of anywhere where I might find a relatively clean relief map of Japan, I would appreciate it if you would post a link.

Thanks :dizzy2:

Tomi

[Puzz3D]

Tomi,

Elmark has made a map of Japan for his Shogun Multiplayer Campaign. I don't know if he would want it used for other purposes or if it's the type of map you had in mind, but you could talk to him about it.
Elmo's Shogun Campaign Map (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=39546)

[Tomisama]

Elm’s done a nice piece of work there. Made me smile to see the old map names :karate:

But I really need a map that shows the mountain ranges. They provide the natural barriers that support the concept of lowland Clan territories that will employed in the map portion of the contest.

I did finally find a really nice one at of all places, http://www.divejapan.com/Map_Japan.htm, and will be working on it today (got the day off).

[ArmaEtLorica_Mongoclint]

I think ArmaEtLorica would be interested in an STW clan war comp. Of course none of us have played it online so I expect some handicapping points. ~;)

Mongo

[Tomisama]

Me too Mongo ~;)

http://www.clanwarscomp.org/samurai/samclanwars.jpg

[Dionysus9]

I'm sure the Prophets would be able to put together a team.

[KyodaiSteeleye]

I'll see if I can get a PFJ team together (we hate the romans so much, we're not even playing RTW at the moment!)

Span.

[Hunter KIng George]

Tomi, Keep up the good work, Hunter Clan anxiously awaiting STW, hopefully it will bring some life back to TW. Count us in...Thanks again!

[Tomisama]

Thanks Your Highness ~:)

We now have a map page.

http://www.clanwarscomp.org/samurai/map.html

Next will be the demo of how the map works to assign matches, and what the options are.

There is a very good chance the above work will be finished about the same time the revised mod ready.

*crosses fingers and toes*

~;)

[Clips]

I would be very up for it hehe would be great to have original cwc still running also tho keep the un interested interested if you see what i mean ^^ What is going on with the CWC i mean future whys is another question. If a mod was to come out this week would it be moved to RTW or stick with VI for the next CWC?

Also any information able to be given on CWB affairs?

[Ghost of Rom]

Count Aggony Clan among the very interested in Shoggy tourny :bow:

[Tomisama]

Thanks guys ~:)

Clips, let me say this the long way round.

A basic principal of the CWC is to always require the latest Total War game, and the latest revision of that game. If Rome would have been playable for competition, we would be enjoying the Legions of Autumn tourney right now, even with the Medieval Grand Championship still in progress.

What will happen next?

If the patch for Rome does not materialize, or we do not receive a promised release time frame before the end of the MTW Grand Champ games, the CWC will offer a Knights Of Spring 2005 MTW/VI Contest. If RTW does show up and is insufficiently corrected for competition, the CWC will drop the game, and continue to offer Medieval contests as long as folks want to play that game.

On the other hand, the Samurai Clan Wars competition is a separate entity. No matter what happens to the rest of Total War or the CWC, Samurai Clan Wars will be there for the Samurai in all of us :karate:

[Iguanus Commodus]

I think some Shinkage members can also be interrested for this. :charge:

[Clips]

Gotcha Tomi mate, as for the mod idea, brilliant i hope it will get some of them damn die hard Shoggy fans away from that game into VI or even Rome ~D

Btw i here there were very small problems with the mod for example distance shooting units, and new bridges etc were created, is the final mod actually finished yet with all them minor faults sorted guys? when this is done and all the faction colours sorted i will downlaod it, any info guys?

[Tomisama]

Just as a reassurance, the work on this is ongoing. The battle map pack is near completion, and the flow chart for the operation of the map portion of the competition has been drawn up, and will soon be presented to the CWC Administrative Council for review.

On agreement, or after revision to workability, a small rule set and a demo of how the map works will be posted.

Until then, here is the basic idea.

SAMURAI CLAN WARS

Contest Scenario

Each in their bid to secure military control of the country for themselves, the strongest factions raise armys and proceed to attempt to subdue their neighbors.

Avoiding the imperial residence at Osaka, and the mountain ranges of the main island, their armys move swiftly along the coastlines seeking to eliminate any resistance to their individual claims to the Shogunate.

Samurai Clan Wars Home Page (no links from it are active yet).

http://www.clanwarscomp.org/samurai/map.html

[Puzz3D]

Btw i here there were very small problems with the mod for example distance shooting units, and new bridges etc were created, is the final mod actually finished yet with all them minor faults sorted guys? when this is done and all the faction colours sorted i will downlaod it, any info guys?
All the shooting units in Samurai Wars have the same range of 5000 (5.5 tiles = 100 meters) which is the same as it was in original STW v1.12. If you position a unit on higher ground, its range is extended. That's a fixed game mechanic that cannot be modded.

No new models or bridges are being issued in the maps at this time because everyone would need the model pack for them to work, and the model pack causes an out of sync in regular MTW/VI. So the maps will have standard MTW models. For instance, you will get a windmill in place of the temple on Nagashima. There are very few models on the STW maps that will be initially released. The biggest problem is the red zone being 3 tiles wide instead of 2 tiles. I'm looking to see if I can reduce the size of the red zone, but it may not be possible. The STWmod mappack will have a few of the larger maps from STW/MI such as horselands included. All the maps have been playtested so they don't cause CTD.

The Samurai Wars stat is being playtested now, and it's playing very well. The units stats are the STW v1.12 stats with some slight modification, and the kensai, ninja, hatamoto and nag cav fitted in.

[Tomisama]

Reporting progress.

Tonight I finished the 9th of a 15 web page Contest Map Demo slide show. I hope to be finished with it this next weekend. If so, that could possibly mean a Competition start in the first week of January.

The Contest its self is not all that complicated, but the way it works does have to be understood so the right choices can be made at the right times. The Demo will hopefully take care of that, at least basically.

Whishing you All a Merry Christmas :santa:

Hope you all had swords on your lists, if you are going to fight in the Samurai Clan Wars, you will need them :duel:

~;)

[ELITEofIMPERATOR]

:)

can someone remember on this great clancampaign 2001? :)

with clans like
- Kenchikuka
- Grey Wolves
- Luna Rossa
- Marechal
- Shades
- Rages
- Rustys Cowboys
- Tenki-Shingis
- Ninja of Hattori
- Yagyus
- Ikebana
- Tori Aku
- True
- Sommo
- Yagyu and
- ELITE FORCE

here the "great" map :)

http://clan-elite-force.net/html/images/campaign1_1gross.jpg

[Orda Khan]

Yep I remember that map and the Korean map too......

........Orda

[Puzz3D]

Tonight I finished the 9th of a 15 web page Contest Map Demo slide show. I hope to be finished with it this next weekend. If so, that could possibly mean a Competition start in the first week of January.
I intend to issue a new version of Samurai Wars before you start the CWC competition. It will have the morale adjusted so that valor 0 units have the same morale they had in STW v1.12 at honor 2. Samurai Wars at 5000 florins will then play like STW v1.12 at 5000 koku, but there won't be any honor sellback possible. I expect the gameplay will start breaking down pretty quickly above 6000. I might double the price of all units so it plays at 10k since that is considered a standard amount per player in MTW/VI, and I'm concerned that people won't play Samurai Wars at the intended 5k.

[Tomisama]

Thanks Yuuki, was just abou to ask you about that.

Two other things.

I am assuming that with the morale adjustment, 5k should be the standard for the Competition? Want to get that nailed down for sure.

And are we aiming 3v3 or 4v4 Matches? There was some talk about the converted maps being too small for comfortable 4v4. Your call either way.

I have been drawing up a Contest Map using only maps from your STWmaps pack, and writing up a first draft of the rules. Hopefully will be presenting them for approval this weekend.

Much to do :juggle:

[Puzz3D]

Thanks Yuuki, was just abou to ask you about that.

Two other things.

I am assuming that with the morale adjustment, 5k should be the standard for the Competition? Want to get that nailed down for sure.

And are we aiming 3v3 or 4v4 Matches? There was some talk about the converted maps being too small for comfortable 4v4. Your call either way.

I have been drawing up a Contest Map using only maps from your STWmaps pack, and writing up a first draft of the rules. Hopefully will be presenting them for approval this weekend.

Much to do :juggle:
I'm going to go with the doubled cost idea, so 10k per player will be the standard amount. this is mostly because 10k is already an accepted standard in MTW/VI. It will play ok at money somewhat above that, but at some point the designed gameplay will breakdown. Right now, I'm only willing to say up to 12k will still play as designed. A couple of things, no-dachi cost and Japanese teppo firepower, are up for consideration to change, but I don't think I have enough feedback to do that at this time. You can drop any of the non-original STW units from this CWC tourney if you don't think they are appropriate, but if you drop naginata cav I think you have to drop Japanese teppo because nag cav is one of the key anti-units of Japanese teppo.

The standard maps are definitely too small for 4v4. I would stick with 3v3 unless you use larger maps.

[Tomisama]

Just for fun, anyone want to take a shot at what is displayed below?

http://www.clanwarscomp.org/samurai/Example%200.jpg

What do you see?

:book:

[ElmarkOFear]

Looks like an STW Rorshacht's test! :)

[Tomisama]

Hi Elm ~:)

Ya doktor, das ist correct!

I imagine it looks that way, especially to some one as familiar with the STW campaign map as you are. The provinces are spread out all larger than they should be. That’s because I only have 25 (no castle no river) maps to work with. Three are reserved for tie breakers and playoff showdowns, that left 22 to populate all of Japan.

But really that is almost “to many” for tourney aiming at a 4 to 6 month (one year tops) cycle. May special conventions had to be adopted to help consolidate time, like estate transfers and forced alliances. Things I had never thought of going into planning this contest.

The really remarkable thing discovered in developing this was that the conventions mentioned are closer to real life than any ideals I had had to date. Things like mercenaries are “always” unreliable in the long run, and alliances are only “temporary” necessities in the race for the Shogunate.

http://www.clanwarscomp.org/samurai/Example%200.jpg

More?

[Puzz3D]

Tomi,

Samurai Wars beta 7 is now posted. It has the cost and morale adjustments to play at 10k per player. It also has naginata walking speed increased to be the same as yari samurai, infantry charge speeds changed to run speed +2, and the yari samurai and yari ashigaru have a +2 morale boost since they were tending to rout too soon. I think you can use this version for the CWC Samurai Wars as I don't anticipate other changes at this time.

[Tomisama]

Excellent Yuuki-san.

I am just now finishing responses to observations and questions by Ithaskar on the Conventions write up. Will have an updated version, and our Q&A session to the Council before the weekend. Am halfway through the new Examples that hopefully will visually demonstrate the principals to the contestants. One evenings work should finish that, and I will get it out before the weekend also.

I have to decided to run one full scale mock competition to make sure everything does work as anticipated. If all goes well with that, and there are no problems found by the Council members in the materials presented to them, we probably be able to post Sign-Up for Samurai Clan Wars next week.

For those of you reading this that don’t know what all the fuss is about. Why so much trouble for a contest? Well, what may come out of this is the Granddaddy of all Total War competitions. This Contest Map driven masterpiece has aspects only dreamed about to date. Stay tuned ~;)

[Tomisama]

*peek*
Samurai Clan Wars Contest Map (http://www.clanwarscomp.org/samurai/contest_map.html)

[ELITEofBLIZZARD]

I'm not sure how many ELITES will play the STW Mod but maybe we will get a team running.

So count us as interested.

But i cant really appreciate the 4vs4 Setting :freak:

For sure, my PC isnt a good one but i have strong troubles with lag @ 4vs4 and for me its much much more enjoyable to play a smooth running 3vs3 than a lagging 4vs4 :-/

[CBR]

Hm lag in 4v4? Whats your PC specs?


CBR

[ELITEofBLIZZARD]

1,8ghz p4, 256 sd ram,g3ti200 64mb, wlan dsl (normal)

mh i know my pc isnt really uptodate... but i think i'm not the only one having lag probos at 4vs4 (i hope so at least)

[Orda Khan]

I would not expect lag with those specs

......Orda

[Tomisama]

Will be 3v3 anyway Bliz,

Because of the small maps, and truest comparison to the original game, 3v3 and 10k Battles will be the standard for Samurai Clan Wars Matches.

Partly because of the reduction in the number of players (from our 4v4 standard), but also due to some special rules, Clans will be able to enter more than one Team. The only restriction on that will be that multiple Teams have no crossover players in a given Contest. Once a player fights on one Team, they cannot play on another in that Competition.

Through careful management through the Contest buy the Clan, and (again) special rules for the end of the Competition, same Clan Teams will not have to fight each other. If they do manage to prevail together, they will share the honors of victory in the end.

For those who initially think that a Clan Having more than one Team will have a special advantage, please let me assure you that the wisest and most skilled Teams will always be the winners. The fact that one Clan has several groups of players on the Contest Map does give them fewer Teams to fight in the long run, but also makes them a prime target for Alliance teamwork.

More on that coming very soon, but let me get back to the Rule so we can get started ~;)

[CBR]

My old PC (1.2 Ghz AMD with same graphics card as your but more memory) didnt give me lag in 4v4. Has to be some settings. Are you using an older driver for your graphics card? You can manually reduce the PCI texture memory there as that caused loads of lag for me before I set it down to minimum.


CBR

[ELITEofBLIZZARD]

I think thats a good solution tomi, also with the aspect that more teams will register if only 3 players are needed.

CBR, i know what u talking about, when there was a german board some years ago about MTW, there were a thread with some tipps and stuff which made mtw run better. do u know about a thread at the org like that?

[CBR]

CBR, i know what u talking about, when there was a german board some years ago about MTW, there were a thread with some tipps and stuff which made mtw run better. do u know about a thread at the org like that?

There is one here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=23097)


CBR

[Tomisama]

http://www.clanwarscomp.org/samurai/samurai_logo.jpg

http://www.clanwarscomp.org/samurai/map.html

Links are now active to view the Contest Map and Sign-Up for the current Competition.

Come join the fun :bow:

[Puzz3D]

Tomi,

Recent battle experience with Samurai Wars 7b has uncovered a couple of problems, so I'll be posting a Samurai Wars 8b. The kensai has been removed, and the cost of cav archers and samurai achers has been reduced.

[Tomisama]

Thanks Yuuki,

The Concepts, Rules, Sign-Up, and Contest Map are already in place.

Aggony and Tiger Clans have already chosen their starting positions:

http://www.clanwarscomp.org/samurai/contest_map.html

Will CBR be updating the installer also?

~:)

http://www.clanwarscomp.org/samurai/samurai_logo.jpg

http://www.clanwarscomp.org/samurai/map.html

If your Clan is already a CWC Member, and you would like to participate in the Samurai Competition. Please have your official Emissary to the CWC post your entry on our Contest Roster forum.

If your Clan is not yet a Registered Member of the CWC, registration is quick and easy. Just click on the Samurai home page link above, then the Sign-Up link on that page. That will take you to the Clan Wars Competition Forum. There you will find our Competition Rules forum's Introduction thread, for further information.

All honorable Clans with three or more members are welcome.

~:grouphug:

[Puzz3D]

Tomi,

The installer will be updated, but there is a problem. STWmod doesn't work with foreign language versions of MTW/VI unless you overwrite the loc files with the English language files. Alioven has offered to make the Spanish language files. Maybe we can find people to make the other language files. Each set of language files could be made available as a patch to STWmod. These language files would have to be updated if any additional work is done on the unfinished names in STWmod.

[Tomisama]

If your Clan is intending to join in the Samurai Clan Wars Championship Competition, please do it now. We are hoping to get underway with the First Round this weekend.

If you miss entering before the First Round as a Province controlling Warlord Faction, there will be opportunities to join in as we go along. But then, it will be as a Mercenary Faction, biding for a chance get on the Contest Map to win your own Province.

If your Clan is not Registered with the CWC, get Registered.
http://p219.ezboard.com/fclanwars3540frm22

If your Clan is Registered, but has not Signed-Up for Samurai Competition, get Signed-Up.
http://p219.ezboard.com/fclanwars3540frm44

If your Clan is Registered and Signed, but has not posted your choice of available Faction and starting Province, we need that information as soon as possible.
http://www.clanwarscomp.org/samurai/contest_map.html

If your participating members do not have the latest revision of the Samurai mod. There is an all-in-one, no-brainer, self installer now available.
http://www.mizus.com/Files/k0rgs8gVt/STW_WE/stats/Samurai_War2fix.exe

I won’t make a hard line date and time, if we know you are coming, we can wait long enough to get the above done. But we must know that you are coming “before” this Saturday January 22nd.

Ride like the wind :charge:

http://www.clanwarscomp.org/samurai/samurai_logo.jpg

http://www.clanwarscomp.org/samurai/map.html

[Vinsitor]

LunaRossas were interested on the competition and was recruiting a team ~:grouphug: but need some practise :duel: with the new units :bow:

We hope to find you on the battlefield very soon m8s

[Tomisama]

Two new things were worked out over the weekend that may be of assistance to folks who want to play this mod in competition. Maybe you are in a Clan that is not interested in the Samurai mod, or not in a Clan at all but would like to take part? Maybe your Clan can only rally two players, and you can’t raise a third? Check this out.

1. A Rule was made to allow a Clan to use “one Ronin player per Team”. In this 3v3 Competition, that would mean that you must have at least two Clan members with Clan identification on their player names, but can bring in a third Ronin player. The only catch is that that person must be "declared in advance" of their actual participation in any Match. And they can only fight with that specific Clan Team for the duration of that particular Contest.

To assist this, I have opened a Ronin Register where independent players, and short handed Teams can post and make connection with each other. http://p219.ezboard.com/bclanwars3540

2. Clan Teams (and you can have more than one) joining after the initial deployment in the First Round, can select any unoccupied Province at the beginning of the next Round. If you come late you can still get your own turf, until it is all claimed by the progress of the Competition.

So if you miss the First Round that’s not necessarily the “end of story”. And you will no longer have to wait in the Mercenary pool, as it was before. If it’s your first time in a particular Contest, you are guaranteed a starting Province as long as they are available.

:bow:

http://www.clanwarscomp.org/samurai/samurai_logo.jpg

http://www.clanwarscomp.org/samurai/map.html

[Tomisama]

SAMURAI CLAN WARS CONTEST ALERT!

If you Clan is Registered with the CWC, and Signed-Up for the Samurai Comp, and are intending to be in on the First Round of the Samurai Clan Wars Competition? But you do not see your Clan’s name on the Contest Map Faction Flag list, it is because we have not received your choices for Faction or Province.

Check and see.

http://www.clanwarscomp.org/samurai/contest_map.html

Please get those posted today, Saturday the 29th. Otherwise you will have to wait for the next Round to join in…

:book:

[Clips]

Please save a place for Bear Clan Tomi, im trying my hardest to pull together a team hehe, but if i am not able to grab a team i will say straight away, personally i like satomi and otmo colours, but if people pick before no worries all i wish is a final place is saved ^^ ill get back to you on team etc later.

P.S. LOVING THE MOD hehe

[Tomisama]

Hi Clips :bow:

I can’t guarantee your choices, but I can expedite your CWC Registration (I will do that for you).

Please post on our Samurai Contest Roster as soon as soon as you have a Team.

http://p219.ezboard.com/fclanwars3540frm44

If this cannot be managed before we start the First Round, this Contest is “open-ended”, and allows new entrants to join in at the beginning of each Round. Just post when you are ready :charge:

[Tomisama]

:book:
http://p219.ezboard.com/fclanwars3540frm46
:charge:
http://www.clanwarscomp.org/samurai/first_round_deployment.html
:duel:
http://www.clanwarscomp.org/samurai/samurai_logo.jpg
~:cheers:
http://www.clanwarscomp.org/samurai/map.html
:bow:

[Nigel]

Excellent show !!
I'm gonna watch this.

* plants bottom firmly in spectator's seat, grabs bag of popcorn *

[Tomisama]

The saga continues.

http://www.clanwarscomp.org/samurai/first_round_results.html

First Round Battle Assignments are to be completed by March 11th.

If your Clan would like to join in, there are open Provinces on the Contest Map.

There are also possibilities for individual Ronin players to fill out Clan Teams.

Sign-Up between now and the beginning of the Second Round for your chance to test your skills on our Contest Map.

Does your Clan have what it takes to conquer the Nine Principal Provinces and take control of the Empire?

:bow:

http://www.clanwarscomp.org/samurai/samurai_logo.jpg

http://www.clanwarscomp.org/samurai/map.html

[Tomisama]

Still going :bow:

http://www.clanwarscomp.org/samurai/first_round_results.html