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Oaty
11-23-2004, 22:40
I was about to siege a city when I noticed it had the plague. So my general takes a short vacation and comes back when the town is cured.

Well those dirty bastards had a spy in that town to greet my new general upon conquering.

I did'nt see the spy but do'nt see any otherway the A.I. could have infected my general and city upon capture.

Sizzlorr
11-23-2004, 23:05
This happened to me once too! I was conquering Scythia and Campus Getae had plague. I inadvertantly walked my conuqerors into the infested city, the enemy spy popped out, then promptly disappeared and began infecting other armies and cities. He only got two of my generals I think, but they were good generals, and it was in the middle of nowhere, so it took a long time to get more into the area!

That darn spy! By the time I got my own spies and assassins into the area, he was long gone (I hope the bugger died horribly of the plague).

Others have mentioned using an infected spy to afflict the enemy, though one would never figure the AI would use it. Stupid AI...

Owen
11-23-2004, 23:14
I was about to siege a city when I noticed it had the plague. So my general takes a short vacation and comes back when the town is cured.

Well those dirty bastards had a spy in that town to greet my new general upon conquering.

I did'nt see the spy but do'nt see any otherway the A.I. could have infected my general and city upon capture.
Did you send in your other units while still infected but leave the general until the city seemed to be clear? Is it possible that because the units caught the plague later than the city, the general could catch plague from your other military units even after the city was clean? I'm not sure myself whether normal units can catch plague, even if they don't have a flag to indicate whether they have it or not.

Red Harvest
11-24-2004, 00:05
I had this happen to me while conquering Egypt. I lost my campaign general in the region when I conquered Alexandria and he contracted the plague...but the city didn't. I didn't catch the spy, but there was some apparent sabotage, so I'm sure he was there.

Another variant on this: the AI forced my own infected spy into my city of Cirta. I had moved him out of the city after the city got infected and transmitted it to him and my general. Next an AI army walked up and stepped on his square...so he moved backward into town...arggggg! I should have seen it coming, but didn't.

Oaty
11-24-2004, 00:28
I'll be a little more specific. The city had the plague. City is cured of plague. I besiege it. Next turn I assault it. Boom plague outbreak. Do'nt know what caused it but there had to be a plague bearer to transfer it to my general general gets it and so does the city. It happened as soon as I conquered not when I hit end turn. The city also had a governor who was infected but not the city so that could have been the transferring agent. Regardless I got nailed on what appeared to be a healthy city.

Maltz
11-24-2004, 17:51
Hello:

A typical plague happens in the following 3 stages:

(1) Plague occurs. Everybody in the city gets infected.

(2) City gets clean after ~6 turns. However, generals and agents stay infected. -- important, the city is still infected, just people stop dying

(3) Agents & generals are cured after ~4 more turns.

Although a city looks clean, there might be still infected generals & agents. Therefore, when you conquer that "apparently clean" city, upon your entrance you still meet the infected agents who gets pushed out, perhpas plus your general sleep on the sick general's bed that also contains the deadly bacteria/virus. ~D

So I always wait until the city becomes truly clean. A few days ago I tried to accelerate the process by "killing all the generals in the city". I attacked a stack beside that city. This way the garrison comes out as reinforcement and get slaughtered. It happened that I also wiped out the faction, and the city turned rebel - and right, with the plague revived! I said - argh forget about it, and dispatched my diplomat to buy the rebel town over, and rushed in some peasants to garrison & die with them.
~D

Didz
11-24-2004, 18:36
I'm not sure myself whether normal units can catch plague, even if they don't have a flag to indicate whether they have it or not.

Military units absolutely DO carry the plague. Its the subject of my thread on how the hell to determine whether they still have it or not as there is not obvious indicator on the unit flags.

So, the only way I have been able to check is to move a spy into a suspect unit stack and see if he catches it. Not very scientific. :embarassed:

What I haven't managed to confirm is whether fleets carry it from port to port, I assume they must as supplies and things from the city would almost certainly infect them.

Oaty
11-24-2004, 18:51
Military units absolutely DO carry the plague. Its the subject of my thread on how the hell to determine whether they still have it or not as there is not obvious indicator on the unit flags.

So, the only way I have been able to check is to move a spy into a suspect unit stack and see if he catches it. Not very scientific. :embarassed:

What I haven't managed to confirm is whether fleets carry it from port to port, I assume they must as supplies and things from the city would almost certainly infect them.

Double left click on the stack you get a scroll just like you would for a general except no pictures, retinues or traits but you can see a skull icon when you open it