Army Vanishes After Failed Siege

[megger]

This has now happened several times, and I am really not sure this is the way it is supposed to be: Whenever I fail to take a town after a siege, my whole army just vanishes. Is that normal? Here's what happened:

I attacked the town with 10 heavy onagers lots of horse units as well as some archers and other troops. I break through the wall and wrestle the path-finding to the main square. I dominate the enemy, but I go somewhat slow initially to avoid heavy losses. I eventually make it to the main square and take out the remaining troops. Things are getting closer overall with the battle timer, but the time is finally ticking down for me. I send some troops after the one remaining group of enemies (10 people left or so).

So far so good, but then it all goes horribly wrong: My troop that I send after the small group of oponents can't get to them due to path-finding issues. Eventually, the small group makes it back to the main square and stops my victory timer just a few seconds before the whole battle timer runs out. Argh! I lost the battle even though I have over a 1000 people, while they only have 10 guys or less left.

So far however, I can live with the situation. After all, I have a huge army and am ready to come back. But no! After the battle is over, my whole army just vanishes. It is gone! What the...?!? Is this the way it is supposed to be? This happened to me more than once now. Once I just could not break through the wall and the timer ran out, and even though not a single person had died on my end, the entier army vanished. What a bunch of non-sense!

Any insight would be greatly appreciated...

Thanks,
Markus

[Attalus]

Okay...I think it's something like this...

When you launch an attack and you have no movement points left, if you lose the battle, you will lose your Army.

Sometimes you will keep a couple of units...maybe they had movement points left, but you will usually lose the general/captain in charge of the debacle.

As far as I can tell, it's not a bug.

Just not very well thought out.

Now, my two-bobs worth (for any CA employee reading this post)...ROMAN ARMIES SHOULD NOT DO THIS. :book:
They were a professional and PAID Army. They would have moved to a Rendezvous point to regroup and either retreat or counter attack (and get paid again) ~D

'Other' factions would have been quite likely to have deserted enmasse after a defeat. ~:eek:
Conscripts do that sort of thing. :furious3:

-Attalus-
Fool me once...shame on you
Fool me twice...prepare to die

[Ldvs]

This time you had siege equipment, but when it happened formerly did you also have your onagers? If yes did you attack in the same turn you had arrived at the walls or waited a year or two ?

If you attacked at once then Attalus might have the truth of it, if no then I guess your soldiers are "frightened rabbits" ~D
I suggest you turn off the timer if you can't bear it. Instead of downloading a full mod, just exploit the bug Frogbeastegg mentioned in her guid : go into "Historical battles" without setting anything, then exit and start your campaign, the timer is no longer displayed.

[hoof]

Also, check the area within a whole movement range away (including cities). It's possible that your army "retreated" a full movement range towards a friendly city. Sometimes (I don't yet know the pattern), units move without a visual cue that they did, and often retreating armies go into towns. It's still possible that you didn't lose the army, they're just hiding somewhere.

[megger]

Come to think of it, yes, I believe that every time it happened I had my own siege equipment with me and attacked right away. I am not entirely sure, but I do this often and I am almost certain that's what I did...

Markus

[NightStar]

Actually my army always stays intact if I lose due time running out, if I withdraw from a siege battle then it has happened that I lost over 1000 men to ???? and my super general as well (he couldnt stand the shameful look of his peers so he went into hiding)

[Slyspy]

Shouldn't the siege be maintained in the event of a failed assault, assuming you had any troops left? Likewise a failed sally should just result in a reduced garrisson, unless all the sallying units were dead or broken? I though this was how it worked both in RL and RTW?

[Maltz]

I experienced the same: If the timer runs out, then you don't really suffer any extra loss.

No matter which kind of failed siege it is, if I just run out of movement when the siege starts, I lose the entire army because they are too exhausted to flee. :embarassed:

Also on small island if there is no place to retreat (transport boat has left the shore), then my army will also be gone.

[megger]

Shouldn't the siege be maintained in the event of a failed assault, assuming you had any troops left? Likewise a failed sally should just result in a reduced garrisson, unless all the sallying units were dead or broken? I though this was how it worked both in RL and RTW?

That's what would make sense to me...

Markus

[Mikemyers64]

even though im sure its bugged i think of it as the routers being mowed down by towers and your units chasing them.

[KiOwA]

But it's kinda ridiculous, if megger's 1000 men can be routed and run down by 10 frickin' survivors. Even if they ran dozens of rounds around the city wall, they wouldn't be cut down to the last man.

[megger]

But it's kinda ridiculous, if megger's 1000 men can be routed and run down by 10 frickin' survivors. Even if they ran dozens of rounds around the city wall, they wouldn't be cut down to the last man.

Yes, especially if your problem was that your onagers ran out of ammo before breaking through the wall, and the defenders don't have archers or anything, and both parties just stand there with no losses waiting for the time to run down. And all of a sudden, boooom, my army is gone. This very thing happened in a different scenario.

Markus

[ToranagaSama]

Do a search, "dissappearing army" or something, there's at least one previous thread on the topic.