Senior Member [Archive]

Gregoshi

12-31-2004, 08:03

Senior Members are nominated by the Org staff. The criteria for nomination is usually based upon an individuals contributions to the TW community and/or the Org. The contributions can range from creative endevours (such as mods, art, guides and stories) to leadership and commitment (organization of community efforts, running events) to being a fine, honourable, upstanding member of the community. It is our way to recognize and say "thank you" to those who make the TW community a better place.

Clips

12-31-2004, 19:13

Thankyou Gregoshi, just hope my recent help in certain forums espeically on the topic of routers goes down well :)

Yours Clips :bow:

May everyone have a :balloon2: HAPPY NEW YEAR :balloon2: ~:cheers:

JAG

01-01-2005, 11:49

I wouldn't get hung up on snr membership, it means nothing worth worrying about. It only really matters to people who care about their 'status'.

Clips

01-01-2005, 15:50

Understandable mate, i aint that bothered was just curious :)

Mouzafphaerre

01-01-2005, 17:08

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Palms must be greased, words must be whispered, friends must be lost, enemies made, the earth must shake and the serpent must devour itself.

It's simple, really.
This reply is archive-worthy for future laughs. ~:joker:
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Mouzafphaerre

01-01-2005, 17:23

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It only really matters to people who care about their 'status'.
Dear Jag,

I'm afraid there is a big misunderstanding here. I don't think a single "senior member" does care about his status.

In my case, I was a Junior Patron, then a Senior Patron, finally a Member. I wasn't even aware for some time that I had been made a Senior Member. It's completely an honourary title. We weren't even notified that we had been given one. We don't have access to any additional boards that members don't, we don't have any privilidges over members on forum functionality, save the increased PM storage. (Back when I used to be Junior Member by today's standards, only Senior Members were eligible to start topics at the Watchtower. Now everybody, including Junior Members, can.)

That said, of course I have been flattered with the title. I believe it's something beyond I deserve and makes me feel happy. Who doesn't feel happy knowing that he's respected and given imprtance by a community that he also cares for? If it helps you feel better, though, I will gladly ask Tosa to trade it off for nothing.

:bow:

My "Gayretlû" is more than enough of a title for me. It's what ordinary commons used to be addressed as in the late Ottoman era and literally means "trying hard". ~;) I can't speak for others but, as I said above, I don't believe that any senior member would care about his status at all.
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Kaiser of Arabia

01-01-2005, 18:48

I don't care because I will never become a senior member.

DemonArchangel

01-02-2005, 02:39

I wanna just say this
JAG has been around too long for him not to be a senior member.

Kaiser of Arabia

01-02-2005, 04:20

Er... Senior member has nothing to do with length here it has everything to do with not pissing off the mods, somthing that Jag, and myself admittingly, are not good at ~;)

JAG

01-02-2005, 05:29

Mouzafphaerre -

Sorry if my post seemed like an attack on people who are snr members it was nothing of the sort, my post was simply to state that being a member or snr member isn't really something to lose sleep over and it is only people who care about 'status' that would lose sleep over it. It was never my intention to give the impression that I thought snr members care for their 'status', actually my view is far, far from that.

:bow:

LittleGrizzly

01-02-2005, 08:47

Senior member has nothing to do with length here it has everything to do with not pissing off the mods,

nah capo its even harder than that, you have to make qaulity posts as well

I don't care because I will never become a senior member.

what he said, of course as soon as its possible i will care ~;)

Mouzafphaerre

01-02-2005, 14:06

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JAG,

Thanks for the clarification mate.

:bow:
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ah_dut

01-02-2005, 19:44

Er... Senior member has nothing to do with length here it has everything to do with not pissing off the mods, somthing that Jag, and myself admittingly, are not good at ~;)
untrue...after all, why is Redleg a senior member? he argues non stop with Saturnus

Kaiser of Arabia

01-03-2005, 03:08

untrue...after all, why is Redleg a senior member? he argues non stop with Saturnus
He is????????
Well, everyone likes redleg.
I'd say 90% of the forums hates me.

Gregoshi

01-03-2005, 05:40

I'd say 90% of the forums hates me.I think you are a little harsh in your self-criticism Capo. You make it onto people's "List" when you put on that cold-hearted, tough guy mafioso act. However, on a few other occassions you've show that you are a typical teenager trying to figure out how they fit into the world. And, if you've noticed on those occassions, you can draw much empathy and support from those who you'd call "enemies". You are young and trying to find out who you are. Just look at your account title and location: you are "A Simple Man" yet profess to be "On the Highway to Hell". You're still working it all out. If you are lucky, you'll figure out The Answer. Otherwise, you'll learn to muddle through life like most of us do. ~:pat:

Voigtkampf

01-03-2005, 07:42

untrue...after all, why is Redleg a senior member? he argues non stop with Saturnus

They are other senior members that argue with moderators all the time, but that doesn't mean we should demote them to “simple” members merely because of that. The quality of arguing has a lot to do with it; swearing and intolerant behavior is a major minus.

Also, you will find that there are several senior members who have been around since the first Shogun days are rather volatile, harsh people (I don't mean Redleg with this ~;) ) that take up arguing easy and can be very stubborn in their approach, and yet deserve a great deal of respect because of their contribution to the community.

ah_dut

01-03-2005, 13:25

I'm just making a point VK in response to Capo

Kaiser of Arabia

01-04-2005, 00:07

I think you are a little harsh in your self-criticism Capo. You make it onto people's "List" when you put on that cold-hearted, tough guy mafioso act. However, on a few other occassions you've show that you are a typical teenager trying to figure out how they fit into the world. And, if you've noticed on those occassions, you can draw much empathy and support from those who you'd call "enemies". You are young and trying to find out who you are. Just look at your account title and location: you are "A Simple Man" yet profess to be "On the Highway to Hell". You're still working it all out. If you are lucky, you'll figure out The Answer. Otherwise, you'll learn to muddle through life like most of us do. ~:pat:
Thanks Gregoshi.
Time to read up on my life strategy books again (Macchiavelli, the Art of War etc) :book: ~:cheers:

Togakure

01-04-2005, 01:02

Such reading is good. It's good to balance it with the reading from the "other side of the coin" too. Though the nature of life doesn't change, how we choose to look at it definitely affects the quality of our experience.

Templar Knight

01-04-2005, 18:59

yep i agree, balance your karma :bow:

Nelson

01-04-2005, 20:17

I thought we were just old...

Papewaio

01-05-2005, 05:30

Positive Drug Test to Viagra.

Promotion to Senior Member advised.

Apophis

01-06-2005, 19:04

hello am new to this so i need some one to help me put a new avator a custom one

Togakure

01-07-2005, 01:14

Hello and welcome, Apophis.

In the upper left area of the screen on the front page, on the bar beneath the navigation links, is a link called USER CP (which stands for User Control Panel). Click on that and you will find the area where you can select a different avatar, create a custom signature, change the style of your "skin," etc.

Uesugi Kenshin

01-07-2005, 04:21

Welcome to the org, if you have questions about member levels and such other than senior check out this watchtower thread:https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=40204.

Enjoy your time on the boards!

KukriKhan

01-07-2005, 04:57

:Kukri weeps, seeing Members welcoming new guys:

:bow: Thanks fellas...and welcome to the Org Apophis ~:wave: . Good advice from those guys ^^.

Beirut

01-07-2005, 05:32

Thanks Gregoshi.
Time to read up on my life strategy books again (Macchiavelli, the Art of War etc) :book: ~:cheers:

I would suggest this quote from Machiavelli; "Always fight your battles with constant regard to the peace you wish to live in afterwards." What a simple yet brilliant thing to say.

As for Senior Member status... I like it. Then again, I am shallow, self-centered, and was willing to pay the $250 fee to attain it. ~:cheers:

dessa14

01-07-2005, 06:07

i would suggest my quote of machivelli as the best thing i have read from him
look down.
thanks,
dessa

Devastatin Dave

01-07-2005, 06:51

Welcome Apophis!!! Watch your member!!!

Uesugi Kenshin

01-08-2005, 05:09

Really I gave them $500 under the table and still have not seen any change in status.......

Mithrandir

01-08-2005, 19:17

that's pocket change.,..

Oaty

01-11-2005, 04:58

It's not the size of your post count that matters, it's the quality of them that matters ~D

Muneyoshi

01-11-2005, 11:01

I really wouldn't put to much into being a senior member over regular. Look at how many people deserve to be Senior and they aren't. Satake, Ronin, Fast. Dare I say Magy, Koc, Fucy as well? You say its for people who make the community a better place, are you telling me these people haven't in one way or another? Personal transgressions aside, they have done good for the community whether it be upping the level of play and 'forcing' others to get better as well, helping others, hosting tourneys, being honourable, as well as numerous other things (note: I'm not saying all of them posses these of course, I'm saying they all have at least one of these).

You don't have to make thousands of posts to be someone who has made a mark on us all, on the history of this game. Now are you still claiming that people who make the community a better place still get accepted as senior members? Please....looks to me like the key is making friends with the right people, nothing more. Just one big popularity contest.

CBR

01-11-2005, 14:27

Dare I say Magy, Koc, Fucy as well? You say its for people who make the community a better place, are you telling me these people haven't in one way or another?

And dare I say Magy and Koc managed to get themselves suspended here on Org. Hardly the best way to become a senior member ~;)

CBR

Togakure

01-11-2005, 14:29

Gah, why ressurect that old issue? Membership here, member ship in clans ... it's all superficial--organizations trying to make something more out of a group of people that congregate online and play games and chit chat about stuff. Clans are just little subsets of seemingly like-minded people who associate for the sense of camaraderie it gives them. For some, it's being among the best players (at least, in their minds and the minds of those that idolize them). For others it's being in a group that has the most fun, or that does a lot to help other gamers, or that has a cool website and forum where they can hang out and banter.

Whatever ... join if you like, don't if you don't like, and remember to keep it all in persepctive cuz it just doesn't matter in the big picture of things. Personally, I don't need titles here or memberships there or status elsewhere to reinforce my sense of self. I know who I am, and I'm cool.

Togakure

01-11-2005, 14:33

Oh great, Mizus versus the Wolves ... can we just hold off on this before it gets out of hand again? Or are we going to graduate to Kenchi versus Tenjo next? (side-glances with a raised eyebrow at Muneyoshi).

Please gentlemen, let's not go there. Been there before and it was problably the ugliest and most counterproductive series of events this community has seen. Let it go.

CBR

01-11-2005, 20:04

And some really like it to be a Mizu v Wolves issue eh?

Muneyoshi mentioned some names and wondered why they werent senior members and I told him why some of them might have problems becoming senior members.

You are the one bringing clans into the discussion..

CBR

Muneyoshi

01-11-2005, 22:07

And, CBR, that is why it is all a popularity contest. Regardless of what they've done here, have they not made the community better? (in terms of skill) That still leaves the question of why Satake and Ronin arent.

Oh and Toga, CBR is right when he says you brought clans into this but I understand what you were saying. I wasnt trying to beat a dead horse by any means, just trying to make a point.

Togakure

01-12-2005, 00:24

Lol CBR--what are the clans but their members? Magy and Koc are Wolves; Tosa and you are Mizu/Takiyama. Yes, I deliberately pointed out the clans, because imo it's a clan issue now. But it was not me that "brought the clans into it," simply because I mentioned them. That was already done by the two of you, though not overtly. While these groups have indeed contributed much to the community, that whole situation was a disservice. I was expressing my distaste to it being resurrected in this thread, which is my prerogative. I've already stated my take on the whole clan and status thing.

I understand, Mune. I just wish the point could have been made without reference to that whole scene. I figured it would inspire a retort from one of the "sides," and it did.

I see a Ronin posting here from time to time, but I can't remember seeing a post by Satake. I think the staff here primarily consider activity on this board, not the community at large, when considering "promotions" to the various levels of membership. Maybe that's why he hasn't been "elevated."

CBR

01-12-2005, 00:30

Regardless of what they've done here, have they not made the community better? (in terms of skill).

Im not following you on that one? What has skill in MP to do with membership status on this forum? I can understand it if a skilled player made a big guide or generally posting helpful advice to other players but winning a lot of battles or whatever isnt enough.

I wouldnt say its a popularity contest... but if becoming senior member is something some people strive for by playing nice, make good posts and generally improve the quality of this forum (afterall Org is mentioned in the credits of RTW) can be considered a popularity contest then I would say its a good one.

Maybe someone didnt deserve the status while others should be senior members. But Gregoshi already posted about how and why people are promoted.

CBR

CBR

01-12-2005, 00:34

Yes, I deliberately pointed out the clans, because imo it's a clan issue now.

Im glad you reminded me about this clan issue as I had forgotten about it. I will delete the Wolves I have on my MSN list thx :bow:

edit: but not until I have said some nasty things to Magy ~:rolleyes:

CBR

Togakure

01-12-2005, 01:18

Well good for you CBR--I'm so happy for you, that you're all chums now ~:grouphug:! Must be a thrill to be buddy-buddy with the elite vets!! Golly, that would make me feel so much more manly, more important, more special!!! I'm soooo jealous ... ~D (Lol ... I assume that was the "subtle" point of your last post?)

Ah come now, surely you can do better than that with the tongue-in-cheek, cynical, rolls-eyes, indirect mudslinging? Your clan m8s have done much better when rebuking me in the past. Prolly best to go private message though. Besides being considerate to those who dislike such banter, it would allow us both to be a lot more direct in our attacks on each other's character. These indirect, "disguised" quips are for wimps. But then, if we go private with this as we should, you wouldn't have your audience to impress with your cleverness and affiliations, now would you ... .

I for one will not respond to you further, so go ahead and take the last word. I know it's important to many here to get in the last jab.

CBR

01-12-2005, 02:26

Actually my point was that Mizus and Wolves dont really have a "clan issue" There might be some problems between individual members but most of us actually do talk with each other. But I will be more clear next time so you dont make more wrong assumptions from my posts.

But from your posts it seems you are very good at judging people based on what clan they belong to. Since you apparently had some problems with some other Mizus you now dislike all in the clan? And I guess thats why you brought in the Mizu v Wolves "issue" because in your mind a few members having problems with each other must mean the whole clan is involved.

If my response to dismiss that claim of yours is considered mudslinging or whatever then I really cant help that.

I have no idea how many subtle points or disguised quips you get out of my post but so be it. And of course I have made this post to "get in the last jab" for all my fans to see so I havent disappointed you have I?

CBR

Gregoshi

01-12-2005, 03:28

The saying "Let no good deed go unpunished" seems to apply here. The Org staff has a small token of appreciation to hand out to individuals and a question about it turns the discussion into finger pointing and accusations. Sometimes you just can't win.

There is nothing evil or "old boys club" about Senior Membership. There is no exclusive "members only" forum for them to hang out in to talk about higher issues. It is a "thank you" and nothing more. For those who have received Senior Membership, I hope it made them feel good. For those who have not been tapped yet, don't think you are any less appreciated. Only 10-12 Senior Memberships are passed out about twice a year. The process is quite simple. The staff puts out names for nomination which may or may not a reason for the nomination. If the list of nominees exceeds about a dozen, the list gets trimmed. The downside to keeping the list small is that patrons do get excluded, but on the upside, the Senior Member title holds a little more value. If 90% of our active patrons were Senior Members, it wouldn't mean much to the one receiving it. The promotion to Senior Member is a very low key event. Most of the time they don't even receive a PM. Many Senior Members discover their promotion by accident. If being a Senior Member was that big of a deal, we'd have a front page announcement to let everyone know about it.

One last comment about a point Muneyoshi made: unfortunately, as he indicated, there are some patrons who, through no fault of their own, are overlooked. I don't think most of the staff has the time to do an indepth analysis of their list of nominations, so patrons do get missed. Of course, there is nothing saying that you can't PM your favourite moderator and make a helpful suggestion for a candidate ~;) (...but please, not yourself and don't bombard us daily ~:) ).

Uesugi Kenshin

01-12-2005, 04:48

I am glad I wasn't around when that clan issue came up, I was looking over some old posts looking for information on member status so I could have an idea of when that happens I nfound some other conversations that sounded very bitter.... Not fun....

Togakure

01-12-2005, 05:12

I think part of the problem lies in the nature of the recognition, the linguistics if you will. The terms Junior and Senior imply inferiority and superiority, respectively. This appeals to some; it doesn't to others. A title like Gentleman of the Org, or Scholar, or Inventor etc. would recognize people for good graces on the board, or demonstrated knowledge, or creative modding and utility making, without implying group superiority over others. This is already done to some degree with the annual HOF awards.

Gah ... clans. I better not get started as I have very little to say that is good about any of them.

Duke John

01-12-2005, 06:48

We do have badges that rewarded to good writers, modders, screenshot-takers and some more. But with the coming of the new forum they weren't used anymore. Although I believe that Tosa did experiment with it... Tosa, why isn't it working yet?

Muneyoshi

01-12-2005, 07:37

It seems my enquiry has sparked something in this post. I regret this, that was not the intention to have a slagging match simply to ask a perfectly reasonable question.

What has skill in MP to do with membership status on this forum? I can understand it if a skilled player made a big guide or generally posting helpful advice to other players but winning a lot of battles or whatever isnt enough.

I dont seem to recall it saying anywhere that you must be active here posting every day, nor do I see anywhere that it must be something that was done here (and saying that they must also proves the point that they have to post a lot here to become Senior). The Org isnt the community, not by itself. The Total War community is just that: The Total War Community, not the Org Community. And I'm not sure about you, but I think a lot of people would agree that 'raising the bar' is a good thing for the community.

Toga: I see what you were saying now about bringing clans up. And no, I'm not gonna bring Kenchi into this. We've had our verbal battles, albeit more privately. I didnt mean to bring clans into the picture intentionally. Personal grudges yes (hence popularity contest), clans no (though we both know more often then not these to are intertwined, sometimes for the better sometimes for the worse)

Duke John

01-12-2005, 08:25

I dont seem to recall it saying anywhere that you must be active here posting every day, nor do I see anywhere that it must be something that was done here.
The title Member applies to members of the www.totalwar.org forums. Hence the title Senior Member applies to members who contributed to the Org forums considerably. Why would/should it apply to anything outside the Org? You said yourself that the Org is not the TW community on itself.

Togakure

01-12-2005, 09:03

No worries Muneyoshi, I understand where you are coming from. I saw the scrap coming, though I didn't realize that I would be in the middle of it. The comment about Kenchi vs. Tenjo was unwarranted; for that I apologize. Certain .... methods of communication get under my skin, and the person with whom I bickered used them. As is my wont, I responded in kind. But I'm done. If any more sparring is to take place over this, it will happen offline.

Muneyoshi

01-12-2005, 10:30

Then Duke John, perhaps from now on when you describe how you become Senior Members you should say valuable members of the org community instead of simply the community.

Toga: No worries m8, I wasnt offended.

Duke John

01-12-2005, 10:45

I don't think we need to. Being a member is about being a member of the Org forum community. Why should Senior Member suddenly apply to the entire TW community just because there is Senior in front of Member.

Or else we need to monitor all other TW forums and the lobby since our members might be performing great deeds for the TW community outside the Org. Nah.

Muneyoshi

01-12-2005, 10:55

No you should not check every forums, but nor should you claim its something to do with the community. Instead it should be worded to say 'Org Community' has when you say community, theirs more then just the Org as we've gone over.

Orda Khan

01-12-2005, 12:49

I wouldn't get hung up on snr membership, it means nothing worth worrying about. It only really matters to people who care about their 'status'.

I think JAG summed it up perfectly with this post, it's only the people who would like to think themselves better than those around them who concern themselves with titles.

Why has this post degenerated into all this? We all have opinions as to who are the worthy and who are the not so worthy but since we do not make the decisions, accept the answer that Gregoshi gave to the original question.

Personally, I don't see this discussion going anywhere

.......Orda