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Gawain of Orkeny
02-21-2005, 03:43
Weird History



Next time you're washing your hands and the water temperature isn't just how you like it, think about how things used to be. Here are some facts about the 1500s.

Most people got married in June because they took their yearly bath in May and still smelled pretty good by June. However, they were starting to smell, so brides carried a bouquet of flowers to hide the body odor.

Baths consisted of a big tub filled with hot water. The man of the house had the privilege of the nice clean water, then all the other sons and men, then the women and finally the children -- last of all the babies. By then the water was so dirty you could actually lose someone in it. Hence the saying, "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water."

Houses had thatched roofs -- thick straw -- piled high, with no wood underneath. It was the only place for animals to get warm, so all the dogs, cats and other small animals (mice, bugs) lived in the roof. When it rained it became slippery and sometimes the animals would slip and fall off the roof -- hence the saying "It's raining cats and dogs."

There was nothing to stop things from falling into the house. This posed a real problem in the bedroom where bugs and other droppings could really mess up your nice clean bed. Hence, a bed with big posts and a sheet hung over the top afforded some protection. That's how canopy beds came into existence.

The floor was dirt. Only the wealthy had something other than dirt, hence the saying "dirt poor."

The wealthy had slate floors that would get slippery in the winter when wet, so they spread thresh (straw) on the floor to help keep their footing. As the winter wore on, they kept adding more thresh until when you opened the door it would all start slipping outside. A piece of wood was placed in the entranceway, hence, a "thresh hold."

In those old days, they cooked in the kitchen with a big kettle that always hung over the fire. Every day they lit the fire and added things to the pot. They ate mostly vegetables and did not get much meat. They would eat the stew for dinner, leaving leftovers in the pot to get cold overnight and then start over the next day. Sometimes the stew had food in it that had been there for quite awhile. Hence the rhyme, "peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold, peas porridge in the pot nine days old."

Sometimes they could obtain pork, which made them feel quite special. When visitors came over, they would hang up their bacon to show off. It was a sign of wealth that a man "could bring home the bacon." They would cut off a little to share with guests and would all sit around and "chew the fat."

Those with money had plates made of pewter. Food with a high acid content caused some of the lead to leach onto the food, causing lead poisoning and death. This happened most often with tomatoes, so for the next 400 years or so, tomatoes were considered poisonous.

Most people did not have pewter plates, but had trenchers, a piece of wood with the middle scooped out like a bowl. Often trenchers were made from stale bread which was so old and hard that they could be used for quite some time. Trenchers were never washed and a lot of times worms and mold got into the wood and old bread. After eating off wormy, moldy trenchers, one would get "trench mouth."

Bread was divided according to status. Workers got the burnt bottom of the loaf, the family got the middle, and guests got the top, or "upper crust."

Lead cups were used to drink ale or whiskey. The combination would sometimes knock them out for a couple of days. Someone walking along the road would take them for dead and prepare them for burial. They were laid out on the kitchen table for a couple of days and the family would gather around and eat and drink and wait and see if they would wake up. Hence the custom of holding a "wake."

England is old and small and the local folks started running out of places to bury people. So they would dig up coffins and would take the bones to a "bone-house" and reuse the grave. When reopening these coffins, 1 out of 25 coffins were found to have scratch marks on the inside and they realized they had been burying people alive. So they thought they would tie a string on the wrist of the corpse, lead it through the coffin and up through the ground and tie it to a bell. Someone would have to sit out in the graveyard all night (the "graveyard shift") to listen for the bell; thus, someone could be "saved by the bell" or was considered a "dead ringer."

And that's the truth. . . (who ever said that History was boring)?
I knew some of this but some was a real surprise. Man my skin crawls just thinking about those straw. roofs

Big_John
02-21-2005, 03:47
why do i have the sudden urge to go to snopes.com???

Uesugi Kenshin
02-21-2005, 04:43
Being burried alive gives me the willies!

Are those sayings true? They seem reasonable..... Even if they are not it is still great!

Byzantine Prince
02-21-2005, 04:50
Smelly women turn me on.

Uesugi Kenshin
02-21-2005, 05:08
You have strange tastes BP, but whatever floats your boat....

Sasaki Kojiro
02-21-2005, 05:59
A lot of these sound fake.

Big_John
02-21-2005, 06:08
A lot of these sound fake.well, i wasn't going to say anything, but since the cat is creeping out of the bag..

http://www.snopes.com/language/phrases/1500.htm

Byzantine Prince
02-21-2005, 06:16
You have strange tastes BP, but whatever floats your boat....

Thank you, it does float my boat quite well.


I also get turned on by obese 60 year old women. No kidding. ~;)

Sasaki Kojiro
02-21-2005, 06:37
well, i wasn't going to say anything, but since the cat is creeping out of the bag..

http://www.snopes.com/language/phrases/1500.htm


" The bread was divided according to status. The workers would get the burnt bottom of the loaf, the family would get the middle and guests would get the top, or the "upper crust".

Even a blind squirrel can find an acorn once in a while, and that appears to be the case here — the wag who thought up this e-mailed leg pull accidentally stumbled onto an actual origin.

"Kutt the upper crust (of a loaf of bread) for your soverayne [sovereign]" was good manners in 1460. The custom at the time was to slice the choice top portion off a loaf and present it to the highest-ranking guests at the table. Centuries later, this practice led to calling the elite who ate the upper crust "the upper crust."

The rest of the bread was not apportioned out by rank, though. "

Funny, that was one of the ones that sounded least likely to me.



The saying it's raining cats and dogs was first noted in the 17th century, not the 16th. A number of theories as to its origin exist:

* Primitive drainage systems in use in the 17th century could be overwhelmed by heavy rainstorms, leading to gutters overflowing with debris that included dead animals.

One wonders why the bother making up explanations.

Uesugi Kenshin
02-21-2005, 20:14
Oh well, guess they are mostly wrong....


Still worth the read though.

Oaty
02-21-2005, 22:50
Well accidenatally getting buried alive did happen. Very little was known about comas.

Uesugi Kenshin
02-22-2005, 04:26
Yeah, that and it raised some superstitions. I believe some of the Vampire stories and beliefs came from this, or something closely related. But I read whatevewr I read about this a long time ago and od not remember more than that, whole lot of good that does...