what happened at Ipsus

[jerby]

I read a little, and don't F****ing get it. seleucus and antigonus battleing, wich one was the ptolomeans and wich the seleucids? who won? wich of the two generals died in the overfanatic cav charge on the right flank?
the CA-version sucks, caus both sides wielded elephants, but one did 75 and teh other 100. no chariots I believe.
so who was wich side, and hwo did teh battle begin/end etc

[hung41584]

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[Oaty]

Egyptians won with a phyric victory

The Selucid king and neither the Egyptian leader died. However the Selucid king drew himself out of the main battle by winning his flank. When he returned he was surpised to be returning to an army in route.

The aftermath though left Egypt without an elite class, Macedonian settlers. Due to this they had to recruit from the Egyptians to fill in the gapswich led to ther downfall and the Selucids were able to recover lost land.

[Spetulhu]

I read a little, and don't F****ing get it. seleucus and antigonus battleing, wich one was the ptolomeans and wich the seleucids?

Seleucus is suspiciously close to Seleucid, don't you think?

[Epistolary Richard]

Seleucus is suspiciously close to Seleucid, don't you think?

Yeah, he got teased about it a lot at school... ~D

[Baiae]

I read a little, and don't F****ing get it. seleucus and antigonus battleing, wich one was the ptolomeans and wich the seleucids?

Seleucus was the founder of the Seleucid Empire, but I think Antigonus was the founder of the Macedonian (Antigonid) dynasty, not the Ptolomaic.

Are you sure that you're not getting Ipsus confused with Raphia, where the Seleucid and Ptolomiac Empires fought in Coele-Syria?

[The Stranger]

i think he did, and there were chariots those b*tches really spoiled my victory. i won but it was a pyrrhic victory indeed.

[caesar44]

Seleucus was the founder of the Seleucid Empire, but I think Antigonus was the founder of the Macedonian (Antigonid) dynasty, not the Ptolomaic.

Are you sure that you're not getting Ipsus confused with Raphia, where the Seleucid and Ptolomiac Empires fought in Coele-Syria?

indeed antigonus was not a petolomaic , that empire belongs to the ................................ yes , petolomies
~:cheers:

[jerby]

sorry, was clearly mistaken.
It was Raphia i thought of, and Ipsus I read about. that pretty much messed it up.

so Ipsus was macedon vs seleucid. and Raphia ptolomaeics vs seleucid.

[AntiochusIII]

Ipsus is not exactly Macedon vs Seleucid. Technically it is Antigonus the One-eyed ruler of Syria, Palestine, and Asia Minor and his son Demetrius the Besieger being assaulted from all sides by Lysimachus of Thrace, who later killed his own capable son and being defeated later on and become Seleucus' last trophy (literally a day before Seleucus' ultimate reunification of everything except Egypt - hehe - poor people); Ptolemy of Egypt, founder of, of course, the Ptolemaic Lagid Dynasty; Seleucus ruler of Babylon and everything east of it, whose elephants were the decisive arms that decide the battle; and, I'm not sure he's in, but should include Cassander of Macedon murderer of the original royal family whose sons were later killed in the power struggle over Macedon. I know only little about the battle and it seems a hard struggle that when Demetrius made a mistake and charge in to annihilate the Seleucid cavalry forces (under prince Antiochus future Antiochus I Soter) he left his father's flank open and about the entire 480 or so Seleucid elephants fresh from India attacked...beautiful sight ~:cool:

The result was Lysimachus' power doubled with Asia Minor in his hand, Ptolemy established complete stability in his area, and Seleucus' power stretched from Syria to Bactria, poised to take the challenge that Antigonos failed, and Demetrius and other Antigonids went on upon the wide world searching for the new home for his dynasty - which end up at Macedon. :dizzy2:

Raphia u all know its Antiochus' defeat and my own defeat when I tried to play it. I got screwed there, the first time ever to lose such an equal battle!!! ~:eek: ~D :duel: because I'm not playing multiplayer.

[Kraxis]

480 elephants... that is some number! When 15 elephants could ruin the day then I suppose 480 could realy really ruin your day.

It must have been a mighty sight, elephants as far as you could look. If we take it that they were in a two deep formation and with a spread of about 20 meters each (each being 2 meters wide) we end up with more than 5 km of frontage. If I wasn't on Seleucus' side I would be scared shitless.

[The Stranger]

oh my god 480 eles, i would tell the commander i left the gas open and would run to my mommy.

[Watchman]

...which actually aptly describes the just about greatest (and, in the final analysis, sole) military value of the war elephant - fright factor.

[The_Emperor]

I refuse to call RTW's Raphia a "Historical battle", mainly because of the unhistorical composition of the Egyptian army.

(err chariots at Raphia? and weren't there smaller North African war Elephants on Egypt's side?)

I'm sorry I played that battle once and as soon as I saw that Egyptian lineup with Chariot blades slaughtering my companion cavalry I had already had enough...

I guess I was expecting something like the Time Commanders Episode battle, rather than what we got.

Still my hatred of RTW's Egypt runs deep.

[The Stranger]

use RTR's egypt, no chariots, african eles and no pharao's (and i gave them greek gods.)

[jerby]

RTR did a nice job with egypt in 5.2 indeed.