World Wonders... Where are they? [Archive]

B1ueBa11

03-08-2005, 17:49

I'm playing through my first "Rome:Total War" campaing. I'm a veterent of S:TW and M:TW. I had read a blurb somewhere saying that world wonders were in this game and that they gave you advantages over your rivals. I spotted the statue of Zeus early in the game but I had other fish to fry so I left it alone.

Once I secured the British isles, the Iberian peninsula and the Gaul and German territories I turned my attention back to it. In the meantime, The Brutii had taken most of the Greek mainland and had the statue under their control.

I remembered that one of the wonders was the Colossus of Rhodes. So I check that out and I spot the giant statue right where it's supposed to be. (Although by the date I got there the real Colossus had fallen due to an earthquake)

I managed to take it and I spotted the tomb of Mausoleus and the temple of Artemis on the mainland north of my position. The Selucid Empire had those but I declared war and managed to secure and hold the regions they were in.

Now you must be saying: "There's a question coming" There is. Does anybody know where all the 7 wonders are and what their effect is?

Here is what I have so far:
Statue of Zeus - Aetolia - Effect unknown
Temple of Artemis - Ionia - Religious Buildings are cheeper
Tomb of Mauseleus (sp) - Lycia - 5 turn + buildings build faster
Colossus of Rhodes - Rhodes(duh!) - 40% bonus on trade (thats a big one)
Alexandria Lighthouse - Nile Delta - Effect unknown
Pyramids of Giza - Middle Egypt - Effect unknown

I thought the last (and 7th) wonder was the Acropolis in Athens but I can't find it on the map. I could be wrong though. If you have any corrections or extra info, please post it ASAP.

nokhor

03-08-2005, 17:58

the acropolis is not one. but the hanging gardens of babylon [near susa] is one it helps with farming or something. the pyramids help with controlling egyptian cities. the lighthouse helps with ship movement rates i think, it's been a while. and i think zeus helps with happiness or control of cites or public order or whatever it's called in this game. man it's really been a while since i played this. there might be more specific info in the ludus magnus.

The Stranger

03-08-2005, 18:11

the hanging gardens and you have to take the city Seleucia (should be named Babylon) it makes farms more effective, very good in combination with Alexandrie.

lars573

03-08-2005, 18:45

Here is what I have so far:
Statue of Zeus - Aetolia - Effect unknown
Temple of Artemis - Ionia - Religious Buildings are cheeper
Tomb of Mauseleus (sp) - Lycia - 5 turn + buildings build faster
Colossus of Rhodes - Rhodes(duh!) - 40% bonus on trade (thats a big one)
Alexandria Lighthouse - Nile Delta - Effect unknown
Pyramids of Giza - Middle Egypt - Effect unknown

I thought the last (and 7th) wonder was the Acropolis in Athens but I can't find it on the map. I could be wrong though. If you have any corrections or extra info, please post it ASAP.

The statue of Zeus is in the Peoloponesus provinces, basically you take Corinth and it's yours, it gives a public order bonus. The lighthouse of Alexandria gives faster ship movement, it's something like 25% more movement points per turn. The pyramids make Egyptians more loyal to whom ever owns them. In practical game play terms it means that the nile provinces have a public order bonus to your faction. The 7th wonder is the hanging gardens of Babylon. It gives a farming bonus, don't ask why cause i don't know. The hanging gardens are very usefull to poor-ass Parthia in making their cities grow.

the hanging gardens and you have to take the city Seleucia (should be named Babylon) it makes farms more effective, very good in combination with Alexandrie

No it shouldn't, a simple google of "city of Seleucia" will tell you that Seleicia super ceded Babylon as soon as it was founded. Every historical source I can find says that Babylon was near abandoned by 270 BC. Besides if it was Babylon then the city would be where the gardens are on the map.

B1ueBa11

03-08-2005, 19:36

You are right of course. The statue of Zeus is in the Peoloponesus. I missread my map.

hrvojej

03-08-2005, 19:49

Just doubleclick the wonder to get info about the effects and a short history as well.

Quillan

03-08-2005, 20:06

The Statue of Zeus is giving a permanent bonus of +10% to public order in all settlements.
The Pyramids cancel all culture penalties for Egyptian buildings.
The Pharos adds to the naval movement of the owning faction (I'm not sure of the exact amount). It says it reduces the chance of ships sinking, but I don't know how that works.
The Temple of Artemis reduces the construction cost of all religious buildings by 30%.
The Hanging Gardens add 20% (I think) to the farming revenue from all settlements.

The Stranger

03-09-2005, 18:37

The Statue of Zeus is giving a permanent bonus of +10% to public order in all settlements

a bonus of 20%

Akka

03-09-2005, 19:48

a bonus of 20%
Nope, 10 %.
The description says "+4" which should mean 20 %, but in practice, the real effect is 10 %.

The Stranger

03-09-2005, 21:33

oh, stupid. well than can't we ,mod the effect to 20%

AntiochusIII

03-10-2005, 03:10

Erm, the wonder effects are hardcoded.

The Stranger

03-10-2005, 10:11

damn CA

Severous

02-27-2006, 22:45

Hi

Ive captured the Greek Wonder. Statue of Zeus. I have a question/observation.

I searched for a thread with Wonder and found this old one. In earlier posts there is talk of the Wonder having a '+4' effect on a population loyalty.

Sure enough. I saw an immediate benefit to all my Brutii towns. +30% benefit on the public order rating.

Next turn the benefit has reduced to 25% .

Whats going on here ?

Also I see that Corinth no longer has any negative 'unrest' at all. This is unuaual. A town captured normally needs several turns before 'unrest' disappears. During this time unrest drops away slowly. Yet Corinth was 30% on the turn I captured it (via Diplomacy) and next turn there is 0% unrest.

Does anyone know how this wonder is working ? Will its benefit keep on dropping ?

lars573

02-28-2006, 00:22

When you capture a monument you get a temporary public order boost. It drains after a while not many turns.

Garvanko

02-28-2006, 11:32

Does Colossus of Rhodes give 40% boost to sea trade for the rest of your game, or do the effects wear off after a while.?

It is by far the best wonder, imo.

symball

02-28-2006, 15:10

it works throughout the campaign- once you have rhodes you need to keep hold of it as you can easily become dependant on its boost- lose it to a revolt and you suddenly find yourself in the red!

lars573

02-28-2006, 17:01

it works throughout the campaign- once you have rhodes you need to keep hold of it as you can easily become dependant on its boost- lose it to a revolt and you suddenly find yourself in the red!
That's why I cheat like a Nazi soccer player. Made easier via BI.

symball

02-28-2006, 17:43

but why cheat all the time- the whole point of the game is to buld up your trade so you can afford the armies. you might as well play custom battles.

still each to their own

lars573

02-28-2006, 19:20

but why cheat all the time- the whole point of the game is to buld up your trade so you can afford the armies. you might as well play custom battles.

still each to their own
To be able to win all the time. The point of the game, any game is to win. Sometimes that means manipulating the game to favor you.

Philippus Flavius Homovallumus

02-28-2006, 20:37

Yes, the pount is to win but if you break the rules you're just beating the game, no winning. Your Victory is hollow, your honour non-existant.

Its like taking you starting armies as the WRE in BI and going on the rampage, sure you might beat the game but your Empire wouldn't last another ten years.

Here's somethign funny, after the "offical" game end wonder effect seem to dissapear.

Garvanko

02-28-2006, 23:24

The only 'cheat' I ever use is the Fog of War.

Managing your economy is one of the more satisfying aspects of Total War. Managing squalor is probably the most pointless.

it works throughout the campaign- once you have rhodes you need to keep hold of it as you can easily become dependant on its boost- lose it to a revolt and you suddenly find yourself in the red!Thanks for that.

lars573

03-01-2006, 00:08

Yes, the pount is to win but if you break the rules you're just beating the game, no winning. Your Victory is hollow, your honour non-existant.
Honour is irrelavent, victory is all. If you play, you play to win. After all the ends always justify the means.

snevets

03-01-2006, 00:53

I don't agree with that statement at all. How can you feel satisfied about winning when you needed to rely cheats for victory. Without challenge there is no fun... there is no gratification in defeating anyone to know afterward that he would have bested you if you had not rigged the test of eachother's abilities.

Watchman

03-01-2006, 03:09

I know *I* for one wouldn't go around telling people I a) need b) want to cheat against the poor RTW AI, that's all I'm saying...

lars573

03-01-2006, 04:17

symball

03-01-2006, 11:35

I have used cheats before and other than fog of war have then promtly dropped the campaign. using cheat codes isn't "outsmarting" the AI, it is just typing.

lars, I have the feeling you are just baiting people now so I will leave you to it.

lars573

03-01-2006, 14:33

No no I'm perfectly serious. I always cheat verse the AI. Every chance I get, every game I have.

Pontifex Rex

03-01-2006, 20:14

Honour is irrelavent, victory is all. If you play, you play to win. After all the ends always justify the means.

That's just it lars,...you are not *playing* the game at all, you are cheating the game. I do not see how you can claim to outsmart the AI when you have never played against it. You have neve been tested and thus have never proven your skill at *playing* the game. You might as well just throw your money away or burn it.

lars573

03-02-2006, 04:30

That's just it lars,...you are not *playing* the game at all, you are cheating the game. I do not see how you can claim to outsmart the AI when you have never played against it. You have neve been tested and thus have never proven your skill at *playing* the game. You might as well just throw your money away or burn it.
Ah but I have. See I out smarted the AI by playing the game the way it does. AI in any game cheats. It's just a matter of how much.

Gtafanboy

03-02-2006, 13:56

I cheat :doesn'tcare: I think it is fun to cheat and have uber armies and provinces. Why should I care about honour? Am I going to win money by beating this game without cheats? If not, I don't care. I'll cheat till my hands turn blue. Makes the game more fun. I'm not saying in my opinion because of course it's my opinion, I said it. YOU think it makes the game less fun, don't try and force that thought on us.

Watchman

03-02-2006, 23:50

Well, to put it bluntly, I don't see where we need to listen you guys boast about how you cheat and like it without expressing our opinions on such attitudes either...

That's the thing about free speech and opinions. Go public with yours, and you are by default giving others a carte blanche to comment on them as they see fit.

And I, personally, never had any trouble getting enough uber armies and tricked-out provinces entirely without cheats anyway, to the point where I rarely bother finishing campaigns and instead tend to drop them about halfway through in favor of new ones where I get to do all the actually challenging and hence interesting bits again. You get about three guesses what opinion I hold of people who seem to consider it necessary to use something as blase as cheats to achieve that...

Gtafanboy

03-03-2006, 03:19

Avicenna

03-03-2006, 21:42

Back on topic with Wonders (alphabetical order).

Wonder: Colossus
Starting Faction: The Greek Cities
City: Rhodes
Bonus: +40% to all naval trade

Wonder: Hanging Gardens
Starting Faction: Selucid Empire
City: Babylon
Bonus: +20% to all farming output

Wonder: Mausoleum of Halicarnassus
Starting Faction: Rebels
City: Halicarnassus
Bonus: -20% off building time (only applies to buildings that require 5 turns or more to build)

Wonder: Pharos Lighthouse
Starting Faction: Egypt
City: Alexandria
Bonus: Increase in naval movement allowance, decreases chance of ships sinking

Wonder: Pyramids of Giza (the actual wonder is the Great Pyramid of Khufu but oh well)
Starting Faction: Egypt
City: Memphis
Bonus: Increases loyalty of all Egyptian cities

Wonder: Statue of Zeus
Starting Faction: Macedon
City: Corinth
Bonus: +4 population loyalty in all settlements

Wonder: Temple of Artemis
Starting Faction: Selucid Empire
City: Ephesus
Bonus: 20% off cost of religious buildings(thanks to symball for this)

Just brushing up the look.

Not sure about the Temple of Artemis and I can't access RTW for some time.. I'd appreciate it if anyone could PM me the bonus of the Temple of Artemis.

symball

03-07-2006, 13:41

it reduces the cost of building religious bui;ldings (20% I think?)

Well done for getting back on topic. it was turining into a rant.

Severous

03-08-2006, 01:08

I posted earlier about my first Wonder. Statute of Zeus.

Ive played several turns past that point now. The effect of capturing Zeus (Corinth) is 30% increase in public order. Every turn after this goes down by 5%. The wonder effect stabalises when 10% rating is reached.

'Wonder' what would happen if you let Corinth revolt then take it back again. Would wonder be there for you to claim again and get 30% benefit again rather than 10%?

Avicenna

03-08-2006, 09:25

Yes.

If the wonder can't be reclaimed, then the Romans might as well not capture the wonders that are too far off, since the effects will be worn out by then. No, I think everyone who captures the settlement gets the full effects of the wonder.

Severous

03-13-2006, 01:25

Hi

Getting close to my second ever Wonder.

Given the small landmass it would be difficult to have a fight on Rhodes without having the Wonder looking over the battlefield.

https://img162.imageshack.us/img162/6626/brutii261s93xy.th.jpg (https://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=brutii261s93xy.jpg)

Trade benefit of this wonder will boost an already rich Brutii. :2thumbsup:

Patricius

03-13-2006, 03:01

I wish the ordinary camaign game allowed the player to battle amidst the pyramids. Still having them in the background is fine.

Severous

03-19-2006, 12:40

Well I finally got Rhodes. It is my second ever Wonder of the World.

Ive found the trade routes on the city settlement screen no longer add up correctly to the total trade income. The sea trade bonus of the wonder is not being displayed correctly on individual trade routes.

I also noticed that capturing the Rhodes wonder has increased public order.
+20% on the turn of capture in all regions.
+15% on the next turn.....

I speculate that all wonders give your public order a 20% boost when captured...reducing at 5% per turn.

PS. I could see the Rhodes wonder in the distance across the sea when fighting in Turkey on the beach at Halicarnassus.

A very useful bonus if expanding and with a far flung empire.:2thumbsup:

But when the effect wears off ? Will you now have unrest due to having relied on the wonder bonus?

Is there a -20% effect if a wonder is lost ?

Will I get the 20% boost if I recapture a wonder or is it only the first time in a campaign that the 20% bonus can be triggerred?

I am about to capture my third wonder...will that give another 20% on top? If it does I am going to have so much public order, taxes already maxed out, I wont be able to gain the full benefit.

Teleklos Archelaou

03-21-2006, 21:36

By the way, if you actually want to get right up close to them and fight around them in battle maps (custom battles or campaign map battles), take a look at these screenshots (all from Europa Barbarorum):

https://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1320/aeduistandard3uo.th.jpg (https://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aeduistandard3uo.jpg)
An Aedui warband on the march through the wintry lands of Britain.

https://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5685/aeduivcassestones8yt.th.jpg (https://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aeduivcassestones8yt.jpg)
An Aedui chieftain calls for his men as he is surrounded by the Casse defending their holy site of Cairncalladrydan.

https://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2469/colossusfromsea0sc.th.jpg (https://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=colossusfromsea0sc.jpg)
The Colossus of Rhodes from the sea, the small men at the base of the trees are the actual units in battle!

https://img141.imageshack.us/img141/307/karthvptoltomb3hm.th.jpg (https://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=karthvptoltomb3hm.jpg)
Ethiopian troops owing loyalty to the Ptolemies defend Abu Simbel.

https://img106.imageshack.us/img106/4407/pahlavavseleukidgardens1bm.th.jpg (https://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pahlavavseleukidgardens1bm.jpg)
The Seleukids make their stand in the shadow of the Hanging Gardens.

The Pyramids in EB:
https://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2443/romanipyramids5ef.th.jpg (https://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=romanipyramids5ef.jpg)

https://img113.imageshack.us/img113/4052/romanipyramids23lt.th.jpg (https://img113.imageshack.us/my.php?image=romanipyramids23lt.jpg)

https://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8050/romanipyramids35ln.th.jpg (https://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=romanipyramids35ln.jpg)

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