Lets tax nothing!

[Kraxis]

I wish I could post screnshots, but sadly I only get black images whenever I Print Screen. :huh:

Anyway I have noticed something rather odd with the tradescreen in the settlement info. Right now I have a Seleucid game where I have recently taken Crete and built it up rapidly to make some money. Since I had gotten tradeagreements with practically everybody but my direct enemies and Crete was near Greece and the rich Asia Minor coast trade has boomed on a large scale. This little town racks up 2000 denarii of trade alone each turn, and the port is filled with trade routes.

Anyway I checked up on it to see how much it was and whom it was I traded with.
What I saw was strange. Both Sparta and Larissa exports nothing to Kydonia, but I still get a tradetax from Sparta of 247 and 149 from Larissa. 'Thanks for the money, but weren't you supposed to bring goods to sell?'

Btw, Kydonia itself exports for no less than 798 denarii purple dye to Athens. No other goods and to no other place.

[Old Celt]

Taxes can be levied on Imports as well as Exports. You tax anything going through your ports in any direction.

[Kraxis]

I know that. It is pretty obvious from the Import section and the Export section below it (Kydonia have no landtrade).

The odd thing was that the Import section had Sparta and Larissa export things to Kydonia and I got money for it, but they didn't export anything. Next to their names were no goods, yet Spartan traders payed the largest tax of all the traders (not counting the large tax on the local traders).

[Old Celt]

Yes, but I think you overlook that Commerce in general is taxed. If merchants from Sparta are selling their wares in your province, you tax that business.

[Quietus]

Kraxis,

It still follows the rule: Sea Import = 20% Sea Export (see the Economics guide I have in the Guides section). This suggests there's something not right with the trades or something not easily explainable just by looking at the scrolls (kinda like the blinking icons in 1.0). One of the reasons why it is difficult to calculate - item by item - how exactly trades are done.

I've looked at the desc_sm_resources.txt file that therother suggested to me a long time ago and those numbers still doesn't make sense. :dizzy2:

[Kraxis]

Yes, but I think you overlook that Commerce in general is taxed. If merchants from Sparta are selling their wares in your province, you tax that business.
I totally understand that, but they are not selling anything. At least that is what the scroll says. There is no commodity coming from Larissa or Sparta. No icons and no text when I hover the cursor over the spots where they would have been. Only the cityname and hte tax I get.
It is like the merchants from those cities come to Kydonia wanting to sell, gets taxed but then leaves again without selling anything for some odd reason. This they continue to do every turn.

I'm not sure what you are talking about Quietus... I get a lot more import than export, so totally it can be more than 20%. Individually it looks a lot more promising (remember theer is imports from a lot more cities than Sparta and Larissa), but I still don't get how 20% of nothing can become 247 or 149. That means nothing = 745 to 1235 if you get my point. ~;p

[Quietus]

Sea Export and Imports is a relationship between two cities. But Sea Import is always a function of Sea Export (at least judging from tests).

If Larissa exports to, say, Kydonia and it receives a 1000 denari export income. Then Kydonia will receive 20% of that income (200 denari) as a Sea Import income from Larissa (and values are not mutually exclusive as mentioned already, but rather a function).

What's difficult is to ascertain how does the computer come up with 1000 denari by simply deducing or calculating it from the trade items, building upgrades etc.

And in this case, the actual trade items are not in the scrolls as was discussed in older threads months back. ~:)

[Malrubius]

I wish I could post screnshots, but sadly I only get black images whenever I Print Screen. :huh:


Kraxis, maybe you should try taking a look at a program from this site called Howie's Quick Screen Capture Tool: http://howiesfunware.com/

You'll find it under Misc Free Software. You run the program, set up preferences like image quality and save location, then just press F12 any time during the game to capture the image. It works great for me.

As for the trade scroll, I thought it always displayed what resource was being imported or exported, so I wonder what's going on here? ~:confused:

[Kraxis]

And in this case, the actual trade items are not in the scrolls as was discussed in older threads months back. ~:)
Then why do I see the items traded by Athens, Thessalonica and Byzantium for instace (there are more I can't remember)?
It makes no sense they don't show up in a very few cases but in the vast majority.

[Browning]

Perhaps the Larissian merchants sell their goods not to your Kydonians but to the Athenians. In this way, the same good both enters and leaves your harbor, so it is not listed as imported nor exported - but you still tax the merchant activity.

I don't know if it was designed so, but you can pretend ;o)

[Kraxis]

Ok here is a screen of what it looks like... It might be a bit big, but I captured it as a JPG image with that great tool Malrubius directed me to. Thanks Mal.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/sd/screen001.jpg

[therother]

Sorry, Kraxis, I've only just seen this now. There is nothing wrong with your game. Neither Sparta or Larissa have any tradable goods - they both have dogs & pigs, and Sparta has the sparta hidden resource, but none of these is tradable. Think of trade goods as a specific extra on top of "normal trade" between two settlements, rather than the only determinant of trade.

Provinces have a baseline of trade, which is determined by a few factors (for sea trade: trade route distance and population of the exporting city are the top two) which is then enhanced by other factors such as trade goods, trade buildings, and Governor's bonuses. There is more info on this in the LM Investigation of Trade Income (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=39404) thread.