history lovers look

[clayton ballentine]

Alexander Empire Builder

Setting the stage the Peloponnesian War severely weakened several Greek city-states. This rapid decline in there military and economic power. To make matters worse in the 50 years after Sparta defeated Athens in 404BC, the two city-states continued to fight each other. In the nearby kingdom of Macedonia, King Phillip III took note. King Phillip dreamed of first taking control of Greece. Then Phillip planed to move against Persia and seize its vast wealth. Phillip also hoped to avenge the Persian invasion of Greece in 480 BC.

Phillip builds Macedonia’s power
Just north of Greece, the kingdom of Macedonia had rough mountains and cold climate. The Macedonians were a tough people who lived in mountain villages rather than city-states. The Macedonian language was related to Greek. Most Macedonian nobles thought of themselves as Greeks. The Greeks, however, looked down on the Macedonians as uncivilized foreigners who had no great philosophers, sculptors, or writers. They did however, have an important resource in there shrewd and fearless kings.

Phillip’s power In 359 BC, Phillip II became king of Macedonia. Though only 23 years old, he quickly proved to be a brilliant general and a ruthless politician. Phillip transformed the rugged peasants under his command into a professional army. He organized his troops into Phalanxes that were 16 men across and 16 men deep. Phillip used this heavy Phalanx formation armed with 18-foot pikes to pave the way for Calvary strikes though enemy lines. Once this phalanx had broken though, Phillip used the fast moving Calvary to crush his disorganized opponents. When he first used these tactics against northern opponents who had invaded Macedonia, Phillip’s powerful army proved unbeatable. Within a short time, he was preparing to invade Greece.

Conquest of Greece The Athenian orator Demosthenes (dee-MAHS-thuh-NEEZ) tried to warn the Greeks of the threat Phillip and his army posed. He urged them to unite against him. However, the Greeks cities could not agree on any single policy. Finally in 338 BC, Athens and Thebes-two Greek city-states-joined forces against Phillip. By then it was too late. The Macedonians soundly defeated the Greeks at the battle of Chaeronea (KAIR-uh-NEE-uh) .Phillip 18-year-old son Alexander led a successful Calvary charge that helped win the battle. The defeat at Chaeronea ended Greek freedom and independence. The city-states retained self government in local affairs. However, Greece itself remained firmly under the control of a secession of foreign powers-the first of which was Phillip’s Macedonia. Although Phillip planned to invade Persia next, he never got the chance. At his daughters wedding in 336 BC, a former guardsman stabbed him to death. With the support of the army, Phillip’s son Alexander immediately proclaimed himself as king of Macedonia. Because of his accomplishments over the next 30 years, he became known in history as Alexander the great.
this is only a sample of my book

[clayton ballentine]

Ancient Rome

Setting the stage Rome grew rapidly, and growth brought political, economic, and social changes. Some leaders attempted reforms, but the republican government was unable to deal with the problems caused by these changes.

Expiation creates problems in the republic
The Punic wars and Rome’s increasing wealth and expanding empire brought many problems. The most serious was the widening gap between rich and poor. Rich land owners lived on huge estates called latifundia. Many of these estates had been created by occupying conquered lands and by taking farms left unattended by solders serving in the army. Romans had made slaves of thousands of captured people during the wars. These slaves where made to work on the latifundia. By 100 BC, slaves formed perhaps one-third of the population. Small farmers found it difficult to compete with the large estates run by slave labor. Some could not afford to repair the damage caused by Hannibal’s invasion. They sold there lands to wealthy land owners. Many of these farmers, a huge number of whom were returning solders, became homeless and jobless. Most stayed in the countryside and worked as seasonal migrant laborers. Some headed to Rome and other cities looking for work. The landless and unskilled in the cities found new jobs. They joined the ranks of the urban poor, a group that totaled about one forth of Roman society. While wealthy Romans became corrupted by money and luxury, discontent between the slaves. Resentment also grew among the poor. Class tensions planted the seeds of the republic’s collapse.

A voice from the past
The savage beast have there…dens…, but the men who bear arms and expose their lives for the safety of there country, enjoy…nothing more in it but the air and light…and wander from place to place with there wives and children.

[ShadesPanther]

sorry to ask but, are you writing a book? or are you just showing this too us?

(I'm not trying to be rude or sarcastic I just don't know why you posted it)

[Gregoshi]

Hello clayton. Welcome to the Org. ~:wave:


As ShadesPanther asked, are you writing a book? Give us a little background on your project.

BTW clayton, if you see Richard Petty, tell him I said "Hi". I'm a big fan of his. I'm not sure if Kyle still lives there, but if you see him, pass along my well wishes to him too. ~:wave:

[clayton ballentine]

thank you Gregoshi. and yes i am writting a book e-mail me for futher info about my book. only if you want extra info i am only a teen but i know a ton about history. i took a collage history test and made a 98 on it and i am only 15 can you belive it. a 98 that is better than most collage people can do and i did not even use a book i just thought i could tell you ~;) WOW! you guys have spell check ths rocks!

[clayton ballentine]

Hello clayton. Welcome to the Org. ~:wave:


As ShadesPanther asked, are you writing a book? Give us a little background on your project.

BTW clayton, if you see Richard Petty, tell him I said "Hi". I'm a big fan of his. I'm not sure if Kyle still lives there, but if you see him, pass along my well wishes to him too. ~:wave:

i will tell richerd you said hey and did you know he has started something called victory juntion gang camp for kids with life threting illnesses.

[Gregoshi]

clayton, what time period, culture or part of the world are you writing about? So far, from what you wrote above, it looks like Greek/Roman times. Who is the target audience for your book? The novice? The (amateur?) historian? At the age of 15, what makes you want to write a book? That is not something high on the priority list of your typical 15 year old. ~:) It seems I'm conducting an interview. I don't mean to, it just isn't everyday someone new pops into our forums and says "hello, I'm writing a history book!".:book:

And I do know about Victory Junction and the reason for its existence. I was quite saddened when Adam Petty was killed a few years back. He seemed like a nice young man full of potential.

[clayton ballentine]

clayton, what time period, culture or part of the world are you writing about? So far, from what you wrote above, it looks like Greek/Roman times. Who is the target audience for your book? The novice? The (amateur?) historian? At the age of 15, what makes you want to write a book? That is not something high on the priority list of your typical 15 year old. ~:) It seems I'm conducting an interview. I don't mean to, it just isn't everyday someone new pops into our forums and says "hello, I'm writing a history book!".:book:

And I do know about Victory Junction and the reason for its existence. I was quite saddened when Adam Petty was killed a few years back. He seemed like a nice young man full of potential.

well i love history that is what motivates me, my audiance is the world, it is a high priority, and i don't mind answering any questions that you guys ask

[clayton ballentine]

The rise of Christianity

Setting the stage the worship of roman gods was impersonal, practiced without a great deal of emotion. Priest used sacred rites to intercede on behalf of worshipers. A new religion called Christianity, born as a movement within Judaism, emphasasized the personal relationship between god and people. It attracted many Romans.

Jews come under roman rule
Roman power spread to Judea, the home of the Jews, around 63BC. At first the Jewish kingdom remained independent, at least in name. Jewish kings ruled the representatives of Rome. Some Jews allied with the Romans and accepted there plans to “Romanize” Jerusalem. The ruler Heriod, for example, was a Romanized Jew. His loyalties were divided between Rome and the Jewish people, but he ruled with an iron hand and angered many Jews. When he died, the Jews began a revolt against Roman influence that lasted for ten years. Rome finally took control of the Jewish kingdom and made it the providence of Judea in AD 6.
In an attempt to restore order in Judea, the Romans gave control of the religious matters and local affairs to the Jewish court called the Sanhedrin. Jews where divided into two major Factions. One group, called the Zealots, wanted to rid there homeland of the Romans. Another group believed the Messiah, or savior, was soon to appear according to biblical tradition, god promised that the messiah would restore the kingdom of the Jews.

here is the latest i have done.

[clayton ballentine]

The decline of the Roman Empire

Setting the stage in the 3rd century AD, Rome faced many problems. They came both from within the empire and from the outside. Drastic economic, military, and political reforms would be needed to hold off collapse.

A Century of Crisis
Historians generally agree that the Roman Empire began its decline at the end of the reign of the Five Good Emperors. The rulers that followed in the next century had little or no idea of how to deal with the problems facing the empire. Most, like Aurelius’ son Commondus, were brutal and in competent. They left the empire greatly weakened

this is all i can show because i only want to give you a sample of the book.

[Gregoshi]

Tease! ~;) Keep us updated on the progress of your book clayton. Good luck!

[clayton ballentine]

Tease! ~;) Keep us updated on the progress of your book clayton. Good luck!

thanks

[clayton ballentine]

if anyone wants to help me write my book then pm me

[clayton ballentine]

if you want a copy of the cover e-mail me you have got to see the cover

[The Wizard]

The decline of the Roman Empire

Setting the stage in the 3rd century AD, Rome faced many problems. They came both from within the empire and from the outside. Drastic economic, military, and political reforms would be needed to hold off collapse.

A Century of Crisis
Historians generally agree that the Roman Empire began its decline at the end of the reign of the Five Good Emperors. The rulers that followed in the next century had little or no idea of how to deal with the problems facing the empire. Most, like Aurelius’ son Commondus, were brutal and in competent. They left the empire greatly weakened

this is all i can show because i only want to give you a sample of the book.

Hmm.. true, but not entirely. The view of the decline starting from Commodus onward comes from the 19th century. It's partially correct, yes.

Roman power started declining in the 3rd century, because of internal struggles. The result was the so-called 'Crisis of the Third Century', where Roman power collapsed completely. However, at the end of the century, Roman power was restored by such emperors as Aurelian. Rome was once again the greatest power in the world, and its frontiers restored. Later, Constantine the Great even reoccupied the Dacian salient!

However, the line of good emperors lasted for a shorter while this time, and Roman power declined at the end of the 4th century due to the greater and greater rift between East and West, and a series of weak emperors, internal war, and the loss of control over soldiers resulted in the downfall of the West.

I trust you'll include this in your book?

Also, it would be advisable to include a little more depth in your book. Or are these all just little samples?

P.S. I'm 16, and back when I was 10 I scored 13th grade (in other words, college level) for history on my Iowa-test ~;)



~Wiz

[clayton ballentine]

Hmm.. true, but not entirely. The view of the decline starting from Commodus onward comes from the 19th century. It's partially correct, yes.

Roman power started declining in the 3rd century, because of internal struggles. The result was the so-called 'Crisis of the Third Century', where Roman power collapsed completely. However, at the end of the century, Roman power was restored by such emperors as Aurelian. Rome was once again the greatest power in the world, and its frontiers restored. Later, Constantine the Great even reoccupied the Dacian salient!

However, the line of good emperors lasted for a shorter while this time, and Roman power declined at the end of the 4th century due to the greater and greater rift between East and West, and a series of weak emperors, internal war, and the loss of control over soldiers resulted in the downfall of the West.

I trust you'll include this in your book?

Also, it would be advisable to include a little more depth in your book. Or are these all just little samples?

P.S. I'm 16, and back when I was 10 I scored 13th grade (in other words, college level) for history on my Iowa-test ~;)



~Wiz

well that was a duke university test i did witch by the way duke is the #1 collage in the USA

[The Wizard]

Well, that's great! Always good to see interest and discourse involving history. ~:)



~Wiz

[clayton ballentine]

Well, that's great! Always good to see interest and discourse involving history. ~:)



~Wiz

i love to see people learn history so much i am currently teaching history at my school

[Gregoshi]

Why do I suddenly feel like a moron? (I mean, besides the obvious reason that I am) :laugh4: Sorry, I'll let you historical geniuses continue...

[clayton ballentine]

Why do I suddenly feel like a moron? (I mean, besides the obvious reason that I am) :laugh4: Sorry, I'll let you historical geniuses continue...

you are not a moron

[Adrian II]

i love to see people learn history so much i am currently teaching history at my schoolJudging by the website (http://www.geocities.com/mchsnotes/WHnotes) where your texts are coming from, you have a lot of help from Dominique and other guys involved in your 'World History Project'.

Your text on Alexander Empire Builder was written by young master Lane (http://www.geocities.com/mchsnotes/WHnotes/WHc5notes.html), yet your passage about Rome was written by young master Ford (http://www.geocities.com/mchsnotes/WHnotes/WHc6notes.html). You must all be very good friends to borrow each others' texts without quotation marks...

[clayton ballentine]

they must have copied me or eles this is a bizzar couesedence because i am not using there website besides you have to remember this is only samples.

[Adrian II]

they must have copied me or eles this is a bizzar couesedence because i am not using there website besides you have to remember this is only samples.There is nothing wrong with ambition, Clayton Ballantine, and you shouldn't be ashamed of your ambition to cover all of world history. But if it turns out that you have, perchance, copied the work of others, I think you should reconsider your project. Don't give it up though, and don't give up History - if pursued in honesty, it'll last you a lifetime.
:bow:

[clayton ballentine]

There is nothing wrong with ambition, Clayton Ballantine, and you shouldn't be ashamed of your ambition to cover all of world history. But if it turns out that you have, perchance, copied the work of others, I think you should reconsider your project. Don't give it up though, and don't give up History - if pursued in honesty, it'll last you a lifetime.
:bow:
please don't ever do that agian because i hate it when people question my knowloge and when people call me a lier i take it that is what you where doing

[Don Corleone]

Clayton, relax. Nobody's calling you a liar. Nobody theorized history all on their own. But part of the rules of the intellectual community is that when you publish somebody else's idea, you have to give them credit. The only exception to this is so-called 'common knowledge'. In order for an idea to be 'common knowledge', you have to find the same idea published in at least three different sources. What's more, whenever you're using other people's ideas to supplement your own work, you should paraphrase what they're saying... take their words and mold them to what it is YOU are getting out of them. Again, even if you paraphrase, be sure to give credit where credit is due.

[clayton ballentine]

Clayton, relax. Nobody's calling you a liar. Nobody theorized history all on their own. But part of the rules of the intellectual community is that when you publish somebody else's idea, you have to give them credit. The only exception to this is so-called 'common knowledge'. In order for an idea to be 'common knowledge', you have to find the same idea published in at least three different sources. What's more, whenever you're using other people's ideas to supplement your own work, you should paraphrase what they're saying... take their words and mold them to what it is YOU are getting out of them. Again, even if you paraphrase, be sure to give credit where credit is due.
listen this is to all of you who think he is telling the truth i am probubly using the sam books they are i only use famous book and 5 of them are old and new school books ok so STOP SAYING I BROKE COPYRIGHT LAWS AND THAT I AM ALSO TAKING CREDIT FOR WORK THAT IS NOT MINE IF SOMEONE ELES POST SOMETHING LIKE THIS AGIAN THEN WE CAN GET US A JURY OF 3 HERE AT THE FORUMS AND WE WILL LET THE JURY DECIDE!!!!!!!!!!

[clayton ballentine]

don't call me a lier agian!!!!!!! :furious3:

[Gregoshi]

Well said Don.

Let's be cool about this folks. clayton has asked for help in writing his book, so he obviously feels the need since this is probably his first attempt as such an undertaking. Let's try to be a little supportive at the moment.

And clayton, you can help by calming down or this is going nowhere fast and I'll have to close the thread.

[clayton ballentine]

Well said Don.

Let's be cool about this folks. clayton has asked for help in writing his book, so he obviously feels the need since this is probably his first attempt as such an undertaking. Let's try to be a little supportive at the moment.

And clayton, you can help by calming down or this is going nowhere fast and I'll have to close the thread.
ok i will calm down please don't close it and thanks for helping you need a forum police and a forum court just a suggestion i once saw a forum with those

[Adrian II]

ok i will calm down please don't close it and thanks for helping you need a forum police and a forum court just a suggestion i once saw a forum with thoseThat's alright, Clayton Ballentine. We have a forum police, he is called Gregoshi and we abide by his wisdom and decisions. If I am not needed here anymore, I consider the matter closed and I wish you good luck.
:bow:

[clayton ballentine]

That's alright, Clayton Ballentine. We have a forum police, he is called Gregoshi and we abide by his wisdom and decisions. If I am not needed here anymore, I consider the matter closed and I wish you good luck.
:bow:
thanks i am calmed down and boy i never knew how such a small deal can get so out of hand when you have ADHD

[clayton ballentine]

well are yall still veiwing ecause if not i will no loger put my book out here

[Templar Knight]

how many pages are you going for, or are you just going to see how many are there when you have finished?

[clayton ballentine]

i am trying to write a max. of 99 vol of history

[Templar Knight]

99 volumes? wow

[clayton ballentine]

99 volumes? wow
it an't that amazing i can do it trust me. i can do it with alot of in just 1 year

[Templar Knight]

well I wish you the best of luck ~:)

[clayton ballentine]

well I wish you the best of luck ~:)
thank you

[Templar Knight]

what periods did you study at school?

[doc_bean]

listen this is to all of you who think he is telling the truth i am probubly using the sam books they are i only use famous book and 5 of them are old and new school books ok so STOP SAYING I BROKE COPYRIGHT LAWS AND THAT I AM ALSO TAKING CREDIT FOR WORK THAT IS NOT MINE IF SOMEONE ELES POST SOMETHING LIKE THIS AGIAN THEN WE CAN GET US A JURY OF 3 HERE AT THE FORUMS AND WE WILL LET THE JURY DECIDE!!!!!!!!!!

Not to be pain in the arse, but if you are writing something that is so similar to a book that other people, using the same book, write things so similar that some members suspect plagarism, you should probably refer to the book in your text, or at least have it in a bibliography.

This doesn't discredit your own work, but it helps people track down the sources so they can see where a certain theory originated. When you start doing in depth research, you'll learn to appreciate the system. It is a pain to use yourself though, and the line between what needs a referral and what doesn't is pretty blurry.

[Templar Knight]

It seems a mammoth project considering you are writing a history of the entire world, why not pick an area of history that you are particulary interested in and do work on that, so you get a feel for writing and publishing. I did work on a history book, photography and research, it is enjoyable to do, but hard work, and a lot of money.

[clayton ballentine]

i study ALOT of history mostly Europe

[Templar Knight]

European history is my favourite too, mainly 16th-19th centuries, but also the medieval period as well.

[clayton ballentine]

i like europe

[clayton ballentine]

i am working on an Ancient Rome part II this one may require help.

[Templar Knight]

How much have you done so far?

[clayton ballentine]

How much have you done so far?
very little. the reson I am doing a part II is because I came across some new info that is very helpful. If you decide to help you will be alowed to veiw how much I have done.

[clayton ballentine]

Ancient Rome


Background

“Lions do not fight with one another, serpents do not attack serpents, nor do wild monsters of the deep rage against their kind. But most of the calamities of man are caused by his fellow man.”
-Pliny the Elder
Natural History


Rome’s Beginnings

Today’s Roman citizens can stand on one of there city’s seven hills and look out over statues and buildings made two thousand years ago. But Rome is even older than that. According to legend, the city was founded in 735 B.C. by one of two twin boys. As babies, Romulus and Remus were put into a basket and tossed into the Tiger River. Rescued by a she wolf who nursed them, the twins lived and grew up. One of them Romulus, founded Rome on a hill near the Tiber and became Rome’s first king. After that, Rome supposedly had seven Kings. The last of them were Etruscans, people from cities in northern and central Italy. The Romans defeated the last Etruscan King in about 509 BC, and Rome became a republic that lasted for about 500 years.

[Adrian II]

According to legend, the city was founded in 735 B.C. by one of two twin boys.The year should be 753 b.C., and that's only according to legend. Rome became a real city around 600 b.C., the walls were laid by the Etruscan Kings and the Etruscans probably gave it the name 'Roma' as well, though its meaning is unknown (the few very short Etruscan texts that we possess are hard to decypher). Rome has a lot to thank the Etruscans for, including its early military successes, because the Etruscan Kings organised the citizenry into tribus under tribuni and trained them to fight in phalanges.

Some modern historians put the defeat of the last Etruscan ruler much later, in 475 b.C. or thereabout. He was Tarquinius Superbus, quite likely, because Tarquinius was an Etruscan name and superbus meant, apart from 'proud', also 'tyrannical'.

What sources are you using, Clayton Ballentine?

[clayton ballentine]

What sources are you using, Clayton Ballentine?
i am using varius books and interveiws with historians

[clayton ballentine]

Not to be pain in the arse, but if you are writing something that is so similar to a book that other people, using the same book, write things so similar that some members suspect plagarism, you should probably refer to the book in your text, or at least have it in a bibliography.

This doesn't discredit your own work, but it helps people track down the sources so they can see where a certain theory originated. When you start doing in depth research, you'll learn to appreciate the system. It is a pain to use yourself though, and the line between what needs a referral and what doesn't is pretty blurry.
well that is not where i get my sorces

[Adrian II]

i am using varius books and interveiws with historiansWhich books?

[clayton ballentine]

Which books?
I use books like World History and Ancient Rome would you like to help or something i have AIM and Yahoo! accounts if you want to chat. my email is below. if you more info on it e-mail me i don't have a problem answering your questions.

[Adrian II]

I use books like World History and Ancient Rome would you like to help or something i have AIM and Yahoo! accounts if you want to chat. my email is below. if you more info on it e-mail me i don't have a problem answering your questions.Let's do it out here so everybody can contribute.

By the way, did you take a look at the sticky on Online History Resources above? It's a labour of love. You can find lots of good links there.

[clayton ballentine]

Let's do it out here so everybody can contribute.

By the way, did you take a look at the sticky on Online History Resources above? It's a labour of love. You can find lots of good links there.
true but i don't trust history websites :duel:

[Templar Knight]

true, editors can put a slight twist on things.... ~;)

[clayton ballentine]

The year should be 753 b.C., and that's only according to legend. Rome became a real city around 600 b.C., the walls were laid by the Etruscan Kings and the Etruscans probably gave it the name 'Roma' as well, though its meaning is unknown (the few very short Etruscan texts that we possess are hard to decypher). Rome has a lot to thank the Etruscans for, including its early military successes, because the Etruscan Kings organised the citizenry into tribus under tribuni and trained them to fight in phalanges.

Some modern historians put the defeat of the last Etruscan ruler much later, in 475 b.C. or thereabout. He was Tarquinius Superbus, quite likely, because Tarquinius was an Etruscan name and superbus meant, apart from 'proud', also 'tyrannical'.

What sources are you using, Clayton Ballentine?
correction it was 753BC thank you :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :duel: :duel: :duel: :duel: :duel: :duel: :duel: :duel: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :duel: :duel: :duel: :duel: :duel: :duel: :duel: :book: :book: :book: :book: :book: :book: :book: :book: :book: :book: :book: :book: :book: :book: :book: :book: :book: :book: :book:

[Adrian II]

true, editors can put a slight twist on things.... ~;)And they copy each other's mistakes as well... ~;)

[Adrian II]

true but i don't trust history websites :duel:I do,a s long as I've vetted them myself. And I invite everyone to find fault with them so I can scrap them off the list.

[Templar Knight]

And they copy each other's mistakes as well... ~;)

hehe ~D

[Adrian II]

hehe ~DI've missed you. ~:grouphug:

[Templar Knight]

I've missed you. ~:grouphug:

I have missed you too http://schildersmilies.de/noschild/streichel.gif

[Adrian II]

^^

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[Templar Knight]

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[Adrian II]

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[Templar Knight]

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[Adrian II]

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[ShadesPanther]

down with simlie spam :dizzy2: :end:

I'll have to see those resources AdrianII I havent looked through that in ages

[clayton ballentine]

more is to come

[Elias71]

Several mistakes... first of all, in the first paragraph you mention Philip III, who has nothing to do with the time period you are discuss. I'm thinking it was a typo for Philip II, but just thought you should be aware of it. Maybe you are referring to Amyntas III, the father of Philip II?

Second, the Macedonian language was not "related" to Greek, it was a dialect of Greek. Look at any tombs or coins, and you will see they are nothing but a slightly different dialect from Doric Greek, no more different than any two other Greek dialects. The Greeks of the time spoke hundreds of different dialects, from Attic, Doric, Ionic and Aeolic, to Macedonian, Arcadian, Corinthian, Phocian, Cretan, etc. The list goes on.

Third of all, at the Battle of Chaeronea, the alliances consisted of Athenians, Thebans, and Corinthians. You did not list the Corinthians.

Also, Philip did not use 18 foot pikes. Philip original made the adjustment to lengthen the pikes to 4 meters (approx. 14 feet). Alexander lengthened them further, and then the successors even more.

It is spelled Philip, not Phillip.

The Greeks did not actually view the Macedonians as foreigners. They labelled them barbarians in the sense that they were so primitive in their ways that the Greeks liked to distance them by comparing them to the barbarians. Pick up any historical text such as those by Herodotus or Thucydides and you will quickly see that they were accepted as a Hellenic people, but were more of the "Greek trash" in the eyes of the southern Greeks.

Philip II, much like most of the Macedonian kings before him wanted not to control Greece, but to become accepted by them. Seeing that this would not happen, he decided that if the Greeks would not accept them willingly, he would force them to not only accept him and his kingdom, but follow him in his panhellenic campaign to avenge Greece against the Persians.

Further more, if you are going to write a book (which I assume this is what you are doing by your title) I would expect the author to discuss the Sacred Wars (not sure if thats what they are called in english, I studied this stuff in Greek, so this is a direct translation so please correct me if the names are wrong) in which Philip slowly expanded his kingdom and built political ties with other Greeks through bribery and diplomacy, and of course violence when needed.

Additionally, if you are going to discuss Philip II's reforms to the Macedonian army, it is important to discuss his experience as a prisoner in Thebes in which he not only learned the oblique/slanted phalanx, but studied its strengths and weakness, and adapted his army to be best suited against it later on.

Also, the Macedonian nobles did not consider themselves to be Greek, they WERE Greek. Read about Alexander I who proved to be an Argive (a Greek from Argos) and thus was a member of the Argead Dynasty in Macedon, and you will quickly understand what is going on.

Also, the Macedonians did not "soundly" defeat the Athenian alliance at Chaeronea. If it was not for Philip and his ingenious feigned retreat, the Athenian left flank would not have chased them and fallen out of formation, allowing Alexander to sweep in and rout the Corinthian center. It was a close match, won by the clever tactics of Philip II.

You mention Demosthenes trying to rally the Greeks against Philip, but you fail to mention Isocrates who was pro-unity between the Greek city states. You might want to discuss the entire spectrum of emotion in this, since not all the Greeks were against a united Greece.

You talk about the former guardsman stabbing Philip, you might want to discuss the fact that he may have been bribed by Darius III to put an end to the rising power in Greece.

Have you considered discussing the formation of the Corinthian League after Philip united Greece and took charge?

Also, he did not form "phalanxes" that were 16 men by 16 men. A phalanx is the name of the formation, each group of 256 men was called a 'speira' and often referred to as a 'syntagma', and was the basic unit and a part of the formation.

I think I'm gonna stop now... No offense, but this has a long ways to go before it can become historically accurate, detailed, or a book...

[Elias71]

And please, nobody reply saying "give him a break, he's only 15" because I'm only 16. You have to understand that this guy has been spamming this same thing on multiple message boards, saying how he knows more than archaeologists, refuses to accept input (because god forbid he gets corrected) and then runs away.

[clayton ballentine]

And please, nobody reply saying "give him a break, he's only 15" because I'm only 16. You have to understand that this guy has been spamming this same thing on multiple message boards, saying how he knows more than archaeologists, refuses to accept input (because god forbid he gets corrected) and then runs away.
listien Elies71 you need to shut your big fat mouth i have had to put up with your crap at 2 other sites! i want you to leave and never return agian! i am going to get Geroshi if you don't leave me alone i don't like people correcting my mistakes you can tell that by looking at some previus posts i hate you and don't want you replying to MY thread because you have made me mad too many times so leave before start something! you are not the one under pressure to complete the books by July of 2006 i do not have the time to read your stupid corrections if you want a book just the way you want it then you write your own book if you don't feel like it then shut-up and don't correct everything i do!OK! :furious3:

[Elias71]

Thats my point exactly, to write a proper book, you HAVE to be able to throw your ego to the side every now and then and accept corrections/input from others.

If you don't want to accept that, that I kinda feel sorry for ya.

[Templar Knight]

i have had to put up with your crap at 2 other sites!

do you wonder why?

[Elias71]

I'm just gonna leave you with this quote for now, and I hope you think about it a little, seeing how it fits the scene perfectly with you claiming to be God's gift to the world of history (at least, thats what message your sig tells me):

"Talent is God given. Be humble. Fame is man-given. Be grateful. Conceit is self-given. Be careful." - John Wooden

[Elias71]

LOL! Templar Knight! YOU ARE THE MAN!

Man, I haven't laughed like that in a while. Short, sweet, and gold.

[clayton ballentine]

I'm just gonna leave you with this quote for now, and I hope you think about it a little, seeing how it fits the scene perfectly with you claiming to be God's gift to the world of history (at least, thats what message your sig tells me):

"Talent is God given. Be humble. Fame is man-given. Be grateful. Conceit is self-given. Be careful." - John Wooden
do youwant to help elias71 you can be in charge of correcting errors in the storys i make i will e-mail them to you ok

[clayton ballentine]

I'm just gonna leave you with this quote for now, and I hope you think about it a little, seeing how it fits the scene perfectly with you claiming to be God's gift to the world of history (at least, thats what message your sig tells me):

"Talent is God given. Be humble. Fame is man-given. Be grateful. Conceit is self-given. Be careful." - John Wooden
do you want to help elias71 you can be in charge of correcting errors in the storys i make i will e-mail them to you ok

[Elias71]

Clayton, it's good to see that you are willing to accept input, but the fact is, I'm not a "master of history" and I don't claim to be. I know about the Greeks in detail, and the rest of my history is not up to par to be able to say I know it well enough to tell people what is right and what is wrong.

I gave you my corrections above, and I hope you use them, but other than that, I'm afriad I can't help. Maybe someone who is good with the Romans can help you with your Rome info, and someone else with Christianity with that.

[Gregoshi]

If you are going to offer advice, be nice about it. If you can't be nice about it, then use the PM feature or don't say anything at all. Silence can say just as much as any words can when used properly.


The problem with the internet is that proving or disproving who somebody is with certainty is difficult at best. Everybody can judge for themselves if a patron is who they say they are, and unless that patron is causing harm, what purpose does is serve to dispute that? And if you feel that patron is causing harm, it is not your place here to deal with it - that is my job. If you have a complaint, PM me with the details and I will decide how best to handle it. Thank you.

[Templar Knight]

I have a concise history of the world book that covers everything from early man to modern day, politics, warfare, etc..... On the Roman and ancient section alone, 4 historians worked on it, plus countless more historians and researchers on the other sections.

I have studied the Crimean War and other conflicts of the 19th Century for several years now, working for various websites and my own. It can take me several days/weeks to complete an article even although I have studied that period for years. There is still alot that I don't know. You have to accept corrections and input, no one is perfect.

What im trying to say is no one is a master of history, but to go all out and try for a 'world history' by next year is impossible, im not beign horrible, im just stating the truth, I have had deadlines on me before, but you must realise when a deadline is possible and when it is impossible. Have the company you are publishing with not said anything about this?

[clayton ballentine]

If you are going to offer advice, be nice about it. If you can't be nice about it, then use the PM feature or don't say anything at all. Silence can say just as much as any words can when used properly.


The problem with the internet is that proving or disproving who somebody is with certainty is difficult at best. Everybody can judge for themselves if a patron is who they say they are, and unless that patron is causing harm, what purpose does is serve to dispute that? And if you feel that patron is causing harm, it is not your place here to deal with it - that is my job. If you have a complaint, PM me with the details and I will decide how best to handle it. Thank you.
you are right geroshi i will no longer be rude about anything

[Templar Knight]

do you know how much it costs to publish a book?

[clayton ballentine]

do you know how much it costs to publish a book?
how much

[Templar Knight]

Well how many pages are you going to have, roughly? and will there be any colour pictures? what type of paper will it be printed on?

[clayton ballentine]

Well how many pages are you going to have, roughly? and will there be any colour pictures? what type of paper will it be printed on?
around 100 pages no color pages and it will be printed on reguler printer paper

[Templar Knight]

regular printer paper?

what is the company you are going to get to publish it?

[clayton ballentine]

regular printer paper?

what is the company you are going to get to publish it?
don't know yet

[Adrian II]

Have you deposited the copyright yet?

[clayton ballentine]

Have you deposited the copyright yet?
no.

[Templar Knight]

Please don't see this as an interrogation, but i'm interested in how you are going about this.

100 pages covering the entire world history?

The book that I helped out on cost £3000 to publish here in the UK, it had about 40 pages and colour photos. The publishing company set a price for it, after some other companies turned it down because they thought it wouldn't sell that well, even although the author was a historian and a college lecturer.

[clayton ballentine]

Please don't see this as an interrogation, but i'm interested in how you are going about this.

100 pages covering the entire world history?

The book that I helped out on cost £3000 to publish here in the UK, it had about 40 pages and colour photos. The publishing company set a price for it, after some other companies turned it down because they thought it wouldn't sell that well, even although the author was a historian and a college lecturer.
no 100 pages in the 1st VOL

[Templar Knight]

ok, so volume 1 will cover the ancient period, vol 2 up to the roman times?

[clayton ballentine]

ok, so volume 1 will cover the ancient period, vol 2 up to the roman times?
yes

[Templar Knight]

do u really think that a company will take you on board with 19 volumes, that proffesors of history stuff

[Kaiser of Arabia]

around 100 pages no color pages and it will be printed on reguler printer paper
100 pages per volume?

[Craterus]

not very long volumes... are these full-length encyclopedia volumes?

[Adrian II]

not very long volumes... are these full-length encyclopedia volumes?C'mon guys, let's not keep him from his work any longer.

[Craterus]

I'm not, I look forward to hear how this book turns out... ~D
Good luck clayton bellentine

[Elias71]

Come on guys, just because professors with PhDs struggle to publish books, let alone 19 volume sets, it doesn't mean Clayton can't! He got a 98 on a Duke history exam! Come on! We are dealing with a genious people!!! :P

[Elias71]

I apologize, I went too far. I will shut up now.

[The Wizard]

Thanks for coming to your senses... your advice and corrections are appreciated, but overflowing emotions lead to rash decisions and, in this case, unneeded conflict.

Forgive the wise talk ~;)



~Wiz ~:cheers:

[Elias71]

I guess I was just being stupid cause I had previous arguments with clayton and it was really buggin' me. But we all know the feeling, sometimes people just rub you the wrong way (and they just don't stop rubbing) and you can't help it.

Next time I'll just keep it to myself, and avoid a fight.

[Craterus]

That's the right sort of attitude ~;) ~:cheers: ~:cool: ~D

[Gregoshi]

clayton, you have a lot of unanswered questions. You might want to ask your parents to help you with all the non-writing parts of publishing a book. I'm sure they have to learn about publishing too, but they can make some phone calls to find the right people to help you. Another possibility is to consider talking to a history teacher at your school or maybe even a professor of history at a local university - you mentioned Duke in one of your posts. I'm sure they can give you some great guidance and helpful advice, or refer you to someone who can help you more. Even great writer have a lot of help. Just read the "acknowledgements" page of any book and you will see that writing a book is not a one man show.

[clayton ballentine]

Geroshi i would like to think you for the sorrport and thanks for the helpful advice i alrady have interveiws lined up with historians on Monday ;)

[bones58]

I heart Clayton Ballantyne.

[Gregoshi]

Ah, memories...

[Marshal Murat]

I would suggest a little note...

. As babies, Romulus and Remus were put into a basket and tossed into the Tiger River. Rescued by a she wolf who nursed them, the twins lived and grew up.
Tiber River.
She wolf can also be translated into woman-of-the-night (whore).


After that, Rome supposedly had seven Kings.
Little sparse on the Kings themselves. Especially the unique method of king choice for the first few (Roman/Etruscan, Sabine, etc.)


formed perhaps one-third of the population. They joined the ranks of the urban poor, a group that totaled about one forth of Roman society.
Be definite. Perhaps lends an uncertain air about the writing.


It attracted many Romans.

The quote refers to Christianity. The lower-class Romans were attracted to the new religion because it forgave everyone from the Lydian slave to the patrician in the Senate. This new religion appealed to all genders and class levels.


control of the religious matters and local affairs to the Jewish court called the Sanhedrin. Jews where divided into two major Factions. One group, called the Zealots, wanted to rid there homeland of the Romans. Another group believed the Messiah, or savior, was soon to appear according to biblical tradition, god promised that the messiah would restore the kingdom of the Jews.
Could I get a reference on this?

Overall, in my personal opinion this is textbook worthy. Information to cover the era, but not enough to constitute a historian's bible.

The war between Thebes and Sparta should be mentioned. This began the rise of Thebes, and the fall of Sparta. Since Sparta was still dominate in Greece after the Peloponnesian War, it caused Thebes to claim victory over Sparta (a rare feat in itself) and the Theban general's tactics inspired Philip as he sat in Thebes.

[Derfasciti]

Oh, man. I read through this the first time ever just now and just about died laughing. I'm all for enthusiasm for history in youth. Heck, I am/was like that. But this... is golden.

[bones58]

Just search Clayton Ballantyne - it always cheers me up:laugh4:

[Innocentius]

Do I smell a troll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29)?

[ShadesPanther]

I remember this well. It truely ranks up there with the Bartix thread.

[bones58]

Do I smell a troll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29)?

Na, he wasn't a troll persay, he had a few issues and coupled with his immaturity, it ended up getting him banned.

[CBR]

Na, he wasn't a troll persay, he had a few issues and coupled with his immaturity, it ended up getting him banned.
And I think that sums it up pretty good and there is no need for this thread to stay open.


CBR