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King Edward
04-15-2005, 15:59
Im Bored so I though id find out which way the .Org Swings on the great Trek vs. Wars Debate.
I think id go for Star wars just because Jedi are so cool! but also i love the different ships from trek so im torn. :vulcan:
I Think Starwars get my vote though. GAH no Jedi Smilie!!
Duke Malcolm
04-15-2005, 16:01
Star trekking, across the universe, on the starship enterprise, under captain kirk
Star trekking, across the universe, only going back because the gear's stuck in reverse.
Star trek gets my vote, especially voyager, or the next gen.
tibilicus
04-15-2005, 16:48
Star wars all the way. Can do good films.
Togakure
04-15-2005, 16:53
Star Trek and New Gen are my faves. I like Star Wars too, but not nearly as much as Star Trek.
tibilicus
04-15-2005, 16:58
wow more Kerk fans than Yoda fans. Theres actually quite a big star trek fans at the org isnt there?
Star Wars rocks !!! :charge:
Where the hell are you Mod Backup? :looksintentlyattheassasaininthecornercalledbigking:
Wars man...Yoda rules :D
Good to see the org discussing the really important things, instead of the usual fluff in the backroom. I guess Star Trek vs Star Wars is rather like Roundheads vs Cavaliers in the English Civil War - right but repulsive versus wrong but romantic.
On the one hand, with Star Trek, you have over a hundred hours of consistently good entertainment, occasionally brilliantly plotted and written. Large ensemble casts including many fine character actors. A fairly convincing universe and history, which has even developed its own language. Clearly the right and sensible choice, but with lead characters played by a balding Shakespearean actor or depicted a bossy school marm, a choice which might seem rather dull.
On the other hand, with Star Wars, you have just over two hours of fine work with the Empire Strikes Back but then ten hours of George Lucas's hokum complete with inane dialogue, absurd combat, cardboard characters, ludicrous plots, virgin births, etc. Clearly the wrong choice, but with memorable characters like Yoda, Han Solo and Darth Vader, one which the more romantic and flighty might select.
English assassin
04-15-2005, 17:55
Wow, SA is on the money there.
BUT, what I want to know is, where are the bad people in Star Trek? Everyone is nice and smiley and helpful and brave, and they all live in a utopia with no private property, or so it seems.
Which is impossible so I reckon there has to be some serious eugenics and oppression of the "different" going on, just we don't get shown it. Humans just CANT be that conformist.
Besides, Star Wars has Han Solo.
Wrong but Romantic then.
Ser Clegane
04-15-2005, 18:07
My heart says "Star Wars" (nostalgic childhood memories) and my head says "Star Trek" (especially the exceptionally good DS9).
So I voted "GAH!" in the poll for trying to make me choose between the two ~:)
Byzantine Prince
04-15-2005, 18:12
I don't see what you guys like about either of them. :embarassed:
Green Orion slave girls for one. :yes:
SwordsMaster
04-15-2005, 18:55
Star Wars all the way. And I'll even tell you why.
Have you seen the Star Trek uniforms? Thats just not right....
On the other hand, despite SW not being a particularly brilliant example of script, but it has the Force. What can Star Trek offer that even is comparable....
Craterus
04-15-2005, 18:59
Star Wars!!!
doc_bean
04-15-2005, 19:13
Star Wars all the way. And I'll even tell you why.
Have you seen the Star Trek uniforms? Thats just not right....
On the other hand, despite SW not being a particularly brilliant example of script, but it has the Force. What can Star Trek offer that even is comparable....
Q ?
I voted Gah!, star trek is nice to watch on a boring sunday evening, nothing special, star wars has some good movies (ESB, mostly) but the new ones are pretty Gah!.
So Gah!
Big King Sanctaphrax
04-15-2005, 21:13
Star Wars has lightsabers. Lightsabers. It therefore wins.
You know you're a Star Wars geek when the fact that you never can be a Jedi Knight really depresses you...
Craterus
04-15-2005, 21:25
Star Wars has lightsabers. Lightsabers. It therefore wins.
You know you're a Star Wars geek when the fact that you never can be a Jedi Knight really depresses you...
I thought that depressed everyone? ~:confused: lol hehehehe
Ser Clegane
04-15-2005, 21:28
when the fact that you never can be a Jedi Knight really depresses you...
You mean ... I can't?? :stunned: :wreck: :bigcry:
You mean ... I can't?? :stunned: :wreck: :bigcry:
Yes, by becoming a mod, you forsook the force ~;)
Craterus
04-15-2005, 21:48
I still have the chance?? COOL!!
Steppe Merc
04-15-2005, 21:53
Star Wars. I like Trek, but I just love the movies, books and video games for the Star Wars universe.
Yes, I'm sad.
*quickly dresses up in a black cloakd and a black hood*
Long live the Sith!
Big King Sanctaphrax
04-15-2005, 23:06
*quickly dresses up in a black cloakd and a black hood*
Long live the Sith!
You can't win Lazul. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine...
*brandishes lightsaber*
Im Bored so I though id find out which way the .Org Swings on the great Trek vs. Wars Debate.
I think id go for Star wars just because Jedi are so cool! but also i love the different ships from trek so im torn. :vulcan:
it depends what you value more in your entertainment
if you value strong plot, deep philosophical questions being explored as they relate to the nature of humanity and existence itself, good to great acting, along with very unbelievably hokey "action sequences" that all look totally fake - then Star Trek is where you'll get that
if you value weak plot, dumbed-down philosophical questions that boil everything in the universe down to "good" or "bad", shallow entertainment with bad to mediocre acting, along with great action sequences that are totally mesmerizing, then Star Wars is where you'll get that
i prefer the deeper substance and better acting that Star Trek has to offer.
You can't win Lazul. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine...
*brandishes lightsaber*
damn, I feared you knew that trick.... touche... *runs of*
tibilicus
04-15-2005, 23:21
The force is strong with you BKS
Is it just me or is this terning in to one of those Treky/Star wars geek fests?
star wars. though i love the first two star trek series, nothing can ever dislodge star wars from the premier position in my heart of hearts. yes i know parts of it are extremely bad, all right most of it except for the effects are pretty bad. and i know i will have a strong urge to kick george lucas in the nether regions after i see the upcoming movie because it will not be the masterpiece i long for it to be. but hey its star wars.
the follow up question. should be star destroyer vs starship who wins?
Big King Sanctaphrax
04-15-2005, 23:37
star wars. though i love the first two star trek series, nothing can ever dislodge star wars from the premier position in my heart of hearts. yes i know parts of it are extremely bad, all right most of it except for the effects are pretty bad. and i know i will have a strong urge to kick george lucas in the nether regions after i see the upcoming movie because it will not be the masterpiece i long for it to be. but hey its star wars.
the follow up question. should be star destroyer vs starship who wins?
This (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/) site deals with the question of who would win a match-up between the Federation and the Empire. Its geek quotient is truly off the scale.
I love it. ~D
the follow up question. should be star destroyer vs starship who wins?
that has already been discussed all over the net. the general consensus is in line with all the info on this (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/FiveMinutes.html) site
for the clicking-impaired, the bottom line is:
Conclusions
In a straight-up fight, the Empire squashes the Federation like a bug. Even with its numerical advantage removed, the Empire would still squash the Federation like a bug. Accept it.
i like Star Trek better than Star Wars and even i must agree with that conclusion ~D
Big King Sanctaphrax
04-15-2005, 23:39
Woah, spooky...
Or maybe it was the force...
Woah, spooky...
Or maybe it was the force...
or perhaps an anarchist half-Vulcan half-Empath mind melding with us at the same time in order for us both to disparage Star Trek in unison :duel:
King Edward
04-15-2005, 23:57
Yeah Geek fest2005! my work here is done ~:)
Gregoshi
04-16-2005, 01:54
May the Force live long and prosper! :dizzy2:
I guess it is Star Wars in a close one. Very close.
Big King Sanctaphrax
04-16-2005, 02:07
May the Force live long and prosper! :dizzy2:
I guess it is Star Wars in a close one. Very close.
Close? It's seventeen votes to eight! In fact, if Wedge Antilles were here, he might exclaim "Look at the size of that thing!" upon sighting our majority...
Gregoshi
04-16-2005, 02:42
I'm being clear as mud again, I see. I meant it is "very close" in my mind...which, seeing how tiny my brain is, there is little choice but for it to be "very close".~:)
Big King Sanctaphrax
04-16-2005, 02:45
I'm being clear as mud again, I see. I meant it is "very close" in my mind...which, seeing how tiny my brain is, there is little choice but for it to be "very close".~:)
Ah, confusion, my apologies. At least it gave me a chance to mention Wedge, possibly my favourite Star Wars character.
Close? It's seventeen votes to eight! In fact, if Wedge Antilles were here, he might exclaim "Look at the size of that thing!" upon sighting our majority...
i think a lot of the problem is that Star Wars pretty much has a consistent quality to it (even though some people hate the prequels) whereas the label "Trek" encompasses brilliant quality as well as a lot of drivel (ie: Voyager, Enterprise). that makes voting for Trek less appealing than it would be otherwise if the TOS quality was retained for every single episode of Trek.
Big King Sanctaphrax
04-16-2005, 02:59
i think a lot of the problem is that Star Wars pretty much has a consistent quality to it (even though some people hate the prequels) whereas the label "Trek" encompasses brilliant quality as well as a lot of drivel (ie: Voyager, Enterprise). that makes voting for Trek less appealing than it would be otherwise if the TOS quality was retained for every single episode of Trek.
Oh, I agree. I'm a big fan of the original trek series-it was really pushing the space opera boundaries at the time, and had some fantastic characters and pieces of technology that have become part of popular culture-whereas pretty much everything after that was stale and derivative, and increasingly reliant on crazy technobabble. This contrasts with the romance of Star Wars, which is why, I feel, it is more popular.
Oh, I agree. I'm a big fan of the original trek series-it was really pushing the space opera boundaries at the time, and had some fantastic characters and pieces of technology that have become part of popular culture-whereas pretty much everything after that was stale and derivative, and increasingly reliant on crazy technobabble. This contrasts with the romance of Star Wars, which is why, I feel, it is more popular.
i mostly agree with this statement only with one correction: DS9. DS9 got rid of most of the techno-babble from the other Trek shows, held true to the TOS roots, and then elevated them to a higher standard due to DS9's vastly superior serial (rather than episodic) formula
of course DS9 was largely overlooked for this very reason. it got pigeonholed between lesser Trek shows and hence many people never realized how great it was since they didn't give it a chance.
in my view, the only good Trek shows are TOS and DS9. the other ones are mostly boring techno-babble with no overall point or message to the episodes.
i think a lot of the problem is that Star Wars pretty much has a consistent quality to it (even though some people hate the prequels) whereas the label "Trek" encompasses brilliant quality as well as a lot of drivel (ie: Voyager, Enterprise).
Oh come now, there were some great Voyagers. Great stories, great effects, lots of fun. God knows lots of them sucked, but the Borg action and Species 8472 were pretty damn cool. Voyager had at least twenty top-shelf episodes.
Can't say much about Enterprise. I don't get the channel.
Gregoshi
04-16-2005, 03:12
The thing about Star Wars is that it doesn't let science get in the way of a cool idea. If it is cool, just treat it like an accepted piece of scientific "fact". Take the lightsaber (but don't take mine please). If you wonder how it works and how much sense it makes as a weapon, then you are thinking too much. It is a darn cool weapon and leave it at that. Same with that huge worm living in the asteroid in ESB. What does something that size feed on to live? Who cares? It is a cool creature and it's there. ~:cool:
Big King Sanctaphrax
04-16-2005, 03:18
The thing about Star Wars is that it doesn't let science get in the way of a cool idea. If it is cool, just treat it like an accepted piece of scientific "fact". Take the lightsaber (but don't take mine please). If you wonder how it works and how much sense it makes as a weapon, then you are thinking too much. It is a darn cool weapon and leave it at that. Same with that huge worm living in the asteroid in ESB. What does something that size feed on to live? Who cares? It is a cool creature and it's there. ~:cool:
Exactly. I have no problem with ridiculous tech in a sci-fi show-it's one of the mainstays of the genre-but when somebody on Star Trek starts banging on about recalibrating the tricoder to remove the upper-theta phase-band flux, I just switch off-it means nothing, so why include it? The first series had the right idea-just have Scotty shout 'the engines cannae take it!', rather than having him blather about how the deuterium mag-coupling was experiencing trans-polarisation.
Gregoshi and Big King have made the point very well against the overly-done techno-babble of many of the Trek shows (ie: anything that is not TOS or DS9)
i should add though that Trek did make a very amusing use of techno-babble in one horror-themed episode of DS9 where a good guy assasin goes insane and starts stalking his Federation engineer team members around an abandoned space station. as two of the crew members are working to get the station's systems back online, the assasin comes upon them. as one of the Federation engineers asks the other one to get a tool called a "coil spanner". then the guy who asked for the tool hears his buddy being killed. after his buddy gets killed by an enemy soldier, he sees the assasin kill that enemy soldier a moment later. he does not yet know the assasin has gone insane and the engineer says to the assasin: "he asked me for a coil spanner". and then the assasin takes the tool out of his hand, kills him with the tool and says "the worst part is, that is not a coil spanner. it's a flux coupler"
you really have to see the episode to understand the humor of this (and have an appreciation for dark twisted humor)...but i found it to be utterly hilarious! funniest use of techno-babble ever in Trek IMO. PS: i wouldn't have been happy if just any character got killed, but the one who got killed was being very obnoxious for the whole episode (perhaps the actor was directed to be that way on purpose so that his death would be funny).
Papewaio
04-16-2005, 08:12
Isn't the writer for Battlestar Glatica one of the writers for DS9?
Star Wars for movies, Star Trek for series. Neither for books.
Togakure
04-16-2005, 09:48
There was one story from an Alan Dean Foster book from waaaaaaaaaaayyyy back that sticks in my mind to this day. It was also an episode on the cartoon Star Trek series that aired for a while back in the early 70s. The story was about a young boy Spock going out into the Vulcan wilderness on his trial of manhood. He encountered a fearsome predator, the Lematya, which made a horrific sound on the TV show (just thinking about it now makes me shiver, though i can't recall the specific sound anymore). Man I really liked that story (admittedly, I'm a Spock fanatic). It reminded me of the story about Cochise (a famous American indian), when he went out on his manhood test to determine what his sacred animal would be.
lancelot
04-16-2005, 14:37
My heart says "Star Wars" (nostalgic childhood memories) and my head says "Star Trek" (especially the exceptionally good DS9).
I think thats me in a nutshell too....
Isn't the writer for Battlestar Glatica one of the writers for DS9?
yeah...Ronald D. Moore is the Executive Producer of the new Battlestar. he was also one of "the main DS9 guys"...he wrote many of DS9's best episodes
Clearly Original Trek. I was one who was disappointed when the original series was cancelled. Look at the low-budget production values, horrible dialogue and corny plots, the whole 60's hippy naive optimism about mankind thing, Star Trek is the best TV ever (after the Simpsons of course).
Star Trek II Wrath of Khan is a fantastic action adventure it's better than any of the Jedi stuff. Only Samuel L. Jackson is truly brilliant in the whole series.
Besides, Trek had . . .
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/st/gallery/images/340/tosbalok.jpg
ichi :bow:
Craterus
04-16-2005, 21:35
Clearly Original Trek. I was one who was disappointed when the original series was cancelled. Look at the low-budget production values, horrible dialogue and corny plots, the whole 60's hippy naive optimism about mankind thing, Star Trek is the best TV ever (after the Simpsons of course).
Star Trek II Wrath of Khan is a fantastic action adventure it's better than any of the Jedi stuff. Only Samuel L. Jackson is truly brilliant in the whole series.
Besides, Trek had . . .
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/st/gallery/images/340/tosbalok.jpg
...Butt Ugly Martians? Dude with massive head?
Star wars to me was only good once: Empire Strikes Back. It does, however, have lots of quotable lines, such as 'You Rebel Scum' and @Your lack of faith is disturbing'.
However, SW, RotJ and the 3 new ones are utter pap.
Same goes for Star Trek, only DS9 was any good. The rest were just dull, flying around space not doing anything.. until some of the crew get taken over by some strange mystical being (Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, Anyone?).
So GAH! for me.
How can one even ask this question? Star-Wars has dark jedi's and deathstars, Star Trek has ugly painted chicks and men in tights?
ps, episode 1 and 2???? No I have never heard of it :furious3:
Spetulhu
04-19-2005, 13:49
GAH! is the correct answer. I like both without comparing them too much. ~:cool:
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