Old Clans

[ShadeWraith]

How many of the old clans are still in existance? Just to define old lets take an arbitrary measure say...clans formed pre Jan 2001. I know Shades are still going (although not in STW much) Doragons and Rages. Anyone else still around?


Wraith

[Rath]

Kenchi are the oldest clan still active.

[NinjaKilla]

Quote Originally posted by Rath:
Kenchi are the oldest clan still active.[/QUOTE]

And we ain't gonna let you forget it. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif



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Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.totalwar.org/kenchikuka)

[ShadeWraith]

How many people you still got active in Kenchi now? Does Kag still pop in? I see him from time to time as we are in the same squad in WW2 online.


Wraith

[Ithaskar Fëarindel]

Rage; Shades; Wolves; Kenchikuka; Doragon.

The oldest five if I'm not mistaken. Fears I would include, but umm everytime I see a Fear they are no longer in their clan name (Fucyuman, NCBeach, AMP, Uglies, etc.)

That means the once 3 clans that ruled after Kenchi's demise are all gone, Chaos, Chain and Fears.

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Fëa-Quendi

[This message has been edited by Ithaskar Fëarindel (edited 08-08-2002).]

[RageMonsta]

It all depend on what active means...as in playing the game or just being around as a group...

On a good night you might see 2 or 3 of the 'old' clans members on-line playing but often they have spread out but kept some contact (as Rage did with Kyodia Clan on Delta Force LW)

Monsta refuses to remove members names from web site because even if away they are part of the family to some degree....unless they break some kind of law (not sure yet what that would be!) they have a place...

The 'vets' as we get called like it or (arrogant or not) are the backbone of the on line game and with the new MTW on the way we are needed more than ever....we set the standard and the social order....

You will notice how after the 'let down' of MI/WE alot of the vets left (mainly due to the inbalance of the units and the stale form of battle that it created)...thus a new breed developed and the attitude in the game room was sour....abuse went through the roof.

Even though we had 70-100 players a night back in 'ye old days' Monsta would know at least 80 of the 100....and that included 'undercover' players...but now...only a few names stand out.

The nature of the game changed thus the players changed....tactics/wargame element was swapped for rush/spear/gun games... massive koku etc...anything over 5-8k was once thought of as stupid if not strange....the level of play also fell...soon everybody could stand behind a wall of spears and shoot....

Playing standard has gone so low...70-80% of old timers would score 8-10 ....where as the 'new breed' only 30% hold that level....this does not mean they dont win...but their actual playing skill was/is lower....gun monkeys and spear jockeys have dominated.

Another reason why alot of players shunned stats 103...because unless you belonged to the 30%.....you were dead.

I dont need to name the remaining 30% they know who they (some new guys aswell)....and the other 70% also know who they are.....because they can be found in the local gun shop...carrying a copy of Command and Conquer just incase MTW requires skill.

MTW....moaning vets needed more than ever!

[ShadeWraith]

Well I can say with 100% certainty that Shades will be back for MTW. We have about 10 guys on the roster at the moment and to my knowledge they are all getting the game. Hopefully it will be like old times again, Im looking forward to some more of those old 3am finishes I used to have http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

Wraith

[NinjaKilla]

Quote Originally posted by ShadeWraith:
How many people you still got active in Kenchi now? Does Kag still pop in? I see him from time to time as we are in the same squad in WW2 online.


Wraith[/QUOTE]

Yeah Kage is back from time to time. Really only Tanaka, Tera and DV are active on MI at the momemnt although I play(ed) STW almost every night. BND is waiting for a new computer, while Rath (EDIT: who played yesterday http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif), Gambatte, Darksword, Teru, Kage and I'm guessing a host of older members will be back for MTW.


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Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.totalwar.org/kenchikuka)

[This message has been edited by NinjaKilla (edited 08-09-2002).]

[Rath]

Oy i played yesterday Ninja http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif

[NinjaKilla]

LOL shows how much I know. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

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Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.totalwar.org/kenchikuka)

[Toda Nebuchadnezzar]

No Fear may be making a come back for MTW. Who knows. We will have to wait and see.

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Jaguara-Spoken like a TRUE SPAMMER Toda!

No Fear Legend.

[ShadeWraith]

It would be nice to see some of the old STW clans making an appearance in MTW. Are there any No Fears still active?


Wraith

[Pussiecat]

Hey all.

Ive started playing shoggy again now ive solved my comps probs

A few of us Tigers / chaos / chains are coming back for medievil, not sure what will be happening with regards to a clan tho... maybe we will resurrect a golden oldie?

[ShadesWolf]

So Pussiecat, who were you in chaos ?

[KyodaiFunky]

Just to let you guys know that we are still alive, we do venture into MI every now and again, but we are not that keen mainly due to the reasons Monsta mentioned............

At the mo, we are currently get our arses kicked all over the place (some thigs do not change) playing Counter Strike and Delta Force....

From what I can gather we will be back in force for the release of M:TW

[Pussiecat]

PussieCatOfChaos of course http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

[NinjaKilla]

Great to hear from Kyodai! Was wondering where you guys had gotten to.

Now I can sing my 'shoot all the Pompey scum' Southampton songs, while I play MTW. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

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Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.totalwar.org/kenchikuka)

[ShadesWolf]

Sorry mate, didnt know u

Hello and welcome Wolf of Chaos http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

[ShadeWraith]

Dont start all this chaos stuff Wolf m8....before we know it we will have Lord Brown and Dredd in here all dewey eyed waxing lyrical about the good ol days http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif


Wraith

[MagyarKhans Cham]

ha the good ol days, our beloved Khan herding their Daimyo Attending on the hills of Yamato...

Those were the days.....
(he chopped of his head)

http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

[KyodaiFunky]

NinjaKilla

I am afraid our old bud Pompey has left us.. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif

But, we nearly all support crap teams (Oldham, Chesterfield, Bury, etc), so feel free to have a go at us http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif

[Pussiecat]

Hi wolf http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

yes Mag, some nice battles were fought in the tourny's back then - hope the same spirit is revived with medievil
Maybe luck wont follow your round so much there http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif lol

[ShadesWolf]

** Funky **

U support a bad team - :lol
At least you are not the laughing stock of the league. 11 points clear in the league with 8 match's to go, and we end up third

Im a Wolves fan

[and Im really embarased about admitting it]
Wolf hangs his head in shame http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

[ShadesWolf]

There seems to be alot of us X Chaos about still

So we cant of been all that bad then - can we http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

[Toda Nebuchadnezzar]

Don't feel bad Wolf. Bayer Leverkusen were top of Bundesliga in Cup Final and Champions League Final and lost all three of the trophies. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif some people just can't win things.

By the way the only No Fear making a comeback under the old clan name will be me (at the moment) http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif maybe more to come and some new recruits.

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Jaguara-Spoken like a TRUE SPAMMER Toda!

No Fear Legend.

[ShadeWraith]

Didnt know you were a NoFear Toda....so how many of you guys still about then? I seem to remember there were quite a few of you when we fought in the campaigns.

Wraith

[Ithaskar Fëarindel]

That is why it says NoFear Legend in his signature Wraith. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif


note to Wolf - remember who I support

[NinjaKilla]

Ah who wants to support a good team anyway. It must be boring supporting a team that wins all the day: then when you start to lose everyone is queuing yp to slate you. *ahem* Manure *ahem*

Apologies again for bringing up football out of topic again. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

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Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.totalwar.org/kenchikuka)

[ShadeWraith]

Quote Originally posted by Ithaskar Fëarindel:
That is why it says NoFear Legend in his signature Wraith. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
[/QUOTE]

Theres more spam in signatures these days than in the messages...so I dont read signatures...well thats my excuse or maybe Im just dense http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif


Wraith

[ShingiOnimushi]

Tenki get a shout in this?

[Toda Nebuchadnezzar]

hehe Wraith. I started NoFear from the beginning. First ever Daimyo.

Started it back in October 2000 around the 26th I think it was. (Registration problems from 14th October onwards. Got the game for my birthday then)

Tenki hhhmmm... can't remember when they started. Think it was April 2001. I was Daimyo of the Earth element (section) for a while. Left because of issues.

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Jaguara-Spoken like a TRUE SPAMMER Toda!

No Fear Legend.

[KyodaiFunky]

So getting back to Wraith's original post there will only be:

Shades
Rage
Doragons
Wolves
Kenchikuka
& the Kyodai

left over from the old days, sshhh kind of makes you feel sad.....


+ + Wolf + +

At you least you have been top of 1st Divison - I cannot remember when Oldham were anywhere near the the 1st Division...sigh.

[NagatsukaShumi]

Hey Toda remember me at all, just I haven't heard from you in a while....

[ShadesWolf]

** funky **

ah Oldham, I remember alot at Olham, Andy Richie, plastic pitch, uncovered away end.

I seem to recall they were in the top flight once, and werent they minutes away from beating Man U in the FA Cup final ?

[BarryNoDachi]

hey shumi remember me? never did catch up with you in the foyer?



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Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.totalwar.org/kenchikuka)

[Toda Nebuchadnezzar]

Shumi just about to email you. Sorry had gf issues over last few days. Stupid girl dumped me because she hadn't seen enough of me since we started. For 5 of the 8 weeks we were dating she was in Mexico.

http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/rolleyes.gif teenage girls honestly.

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Jaguara-Spoken like a TRUE SPAMMER Toda!

No Fear Legend.

[NagatsukaShumi]

Yeah I do Barry, sorry, when we spoke that was around the time the computer started busting up big style and my e-mail went bust, along with my net etc. So I was trying to find a way to contact you but it was failing miserably till now, seen as everything seems to be working again.

And that sucks Toda, seem like following them around like a puppy is the way to please em'.

[youssof_Toda]

All in all we don't have a real clan culture in total war I guess (at least in my experience with other games). Maybe it's due to the scale of online participation? Who knows, I don't regard this as a bad thing.

[Toda Nebuchadnezzar]

Indeed Youssof. At the beginning clans were everything in the community. But as time went on they weren't so important and so people just started playing for themselves.

MTW may start a rise in clans again.

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Jaguara-Spoken like a TRUE SPAMMER Toda!

No Fear Legend.

[NagatsukaShumi]

Toda did you send me a mail? Cos I never got one.

[Vanya]

A long time ago, the chickens crossed the road. And they have never been heard from again...

[NagatsukaShumi]

Did they accidently cross the road and end up outside a KFC? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

[KafirChobee]

Fear clan are cool.

Edit : you know you can't post that Kafir.

[This message has been edited by Rath (edited 08-19-2002).]

Right, between the oldest clan (Kenchi) and the next oldest there is about...6/7 months http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

I was a NoFear too, Wraith. I remember your nice arse backstabbing Jemasze and a NoFear in the campaign. Good thing NoFear/Aku got sweet revenge over Shades in the next campaign. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

Before the NoFear/Aku parenthesis, I was a Kenchi...back during the phantomatic SubudaiLives times...

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Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.totalwar.org/kenchikuka)
evil is within us... http://www.totalwar.org/site/emomalta.gif

[Toda Nebuchadnezzar]

AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! IT'S awake!! Flee while you can. The central european police forces could not keep control of it.

hhhmmm what did Kafir post?

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Jaguara-Spoken like a TRUE SPAMMER Toda!

No Fear Legend.

[NagatsukaShumi]

Oh dear god, have mercy on us all!!!!

[Vanya]

GAH!

Now we know why central Europe flooded...

Fast! Build the ark!

GAH!

[MagyarKhans Cham]

i am sure there are some annals about tera in the wolves library http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

I am more than sure of that http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
The GWIS must have loads of records too... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.totalwar.org/kenchikuka)
evil is within us... http://www.totalwar.org/site/emomalta.gif

[NagatsukaShumi]

Vanya, I'll get the boat, you get the animals, don't forget two Wolves!

[Toda Nebuchadnezzar]

Annals or anals? I would hate it to me the second one. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/redface.gif

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Jaguara-Spoken like a TRUE SPAMMER Toda!

No Fear Legend.

[NagatsukaShumi]

If it's the latter I'm going to be very wary of fighting the Wolves.

[ShadeWraith]

Slightly off thread topic, whatever happened to the Shogun clan history that was talked about..did the project ever get past the planning stage?

BTW Tera, I still remember Mutsu with great affection, taking the heads of two generals in that battle/rout...one of my greatest moments in STW think http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif


Wraith

Pity you can't remember Shade's battles in the more recent campaign. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

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Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.totalwar.org/kenchikuka)
evil is within us... http://www.totalwar.org/site/emomalta.gif

[This message has been edited by Terazawa Tokugawa (edited 08-21-2002).]

[ShadeWraith]

Tera, I can remember Shades battles in the most recent campaign...its true we didnt cover ourselves in glory, but I was reasonably happy with the outcomes considering the resources available at the time. I remember leading 1 province attack a 2v2 my brother ShadeKnackers was my ally, it was only his 2nd online battle so victory was never really an option http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif. We struggled on for as long as possible and at least turned up for all our battles at the appointed time. We are currently sharpening our swords for MTW and will be hoping to renew old aquantances http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif


Wraith

Not a problem mate, was just remembering epic battles and occasions.

May we have more http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

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Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.totalwar.org/kenchikuka)
evil is within us... http://www.totalwar.org/site/emomalta.gif

[ShadesWolf]

I am sure, when the mother land gets her hand on MTW we can have many a good battle Terazawa Tokugawa

[LittleGrizzly]

Quote Originally posted by Ithaskar Fëarindel:

That means the once 3 clans that ruled after Kenchi's demise are all gone, Chaos, Chain and Fears.

[/QUOTE]

if i got my old chain name out would that mean kenchi aint oldest clan ?

[RageMonsta]

No Kenchi still older..although if we remove the time they spent 'asleep'... we may have a case with the ancient Fears..Link and Chaos.

The oldest clan is Kenchi

The oldest without break and still retaining a large element of original members could well be Rage

The oldest clan with a little break and still retaining alot of original members is Fear

I can explain my mention of Rage and do not want to be just seeming to throw propaganda here in support of Monsta's thugs..... at no time has there ever been a period when no Rage has been present for more than maybe a week on a server.

No disrespect to Kenchi but our very own Tera did slip over the NoFear for a while (12 months plus?) and a Kenchi was as rare as rocking horse sh*t.

The highly respected Fear Clan also become something of an Emu in Poland.

I would gladly buy each and every clan member that I have met a drink (especially the early ones) because even in 'bad' times it has been fun....

Demon was a bad apple but he was original and an element that we needed to spice up the times....alas we gained another 100 demon wannabes and mainly pale shadows of thee demon. He p*ssed people off but he had a certain class....and when you know a snake will bite..your not as shocked when they do.....

The best times I think we/I ever had was during the first (2nd after walkout start!) campaign....it did get rather heated in central Japan but I wouldnt have missed it for the world...

Imagine this......'army seen over the hill....RageMonsta and RageDevil rush to defend their little bridge....they see NoFear army marching towards them...this was expected...but whats this...an Elite army from the west!!!...Monsta had sent message of peace to this kingdom...oh how the worm has turned....but thats not all..our hearts sank as from the east comes...Fear......3v1 with about 600 koku per enemy more....but we had a bridge and we never go out without a fight.

About an hour and a bit later we had taken 2 enemy generals....but alas our Monk producing region was lost.

This was our first week in campaign...we stabbed each other in the back so many times we looked liked teabags...if the talks on MSN between Monsta and Tera were available...they would carry a health warning.

Monsta promised revenge..and each clan who joined against Rage on that first day payed us back double what they had taken.

And newer players wonder why we miss the 'old' days....you should have been there...we were warriors....we all had honour (ahem well) and we had fun.

Respect to the old guard may the newer guys experience the same when their times comes.

[DarthGuru]

Hello all again,
I was just browsing the forums and saw this thread. Anyways I just found it interesting, and love to also reminsce of the good old days, lol. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif About the oldest clan thing, I dont know what clans are around but Kenchi will probably be one of the oldest. There was only one major clan before us I think, and that was the Red Samurai Guild. If there were others before that then it was before my time, but after that I think came chaos, fear, then chain. BTW I will be back for M:TW and hope to see everyone then, again. Good Luck to all...

[This message has been edited by DarthGuru (edited 08-24-2002).]

[RageMonsta]

There were a few about but they didnt last the distance did they....for every clan that lives a year.....50 die...such is the nature of the beast.

[BarryNoDachi]

hey darth, you checked out the mtw forum? it is looking good http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.totalwar.org/kenchikuka)

Quote Originally posted by RageMonsta:
No Kenchi still older..although if we remove the time they spent 'asleep'... we may have a case with the ancient Fears..Link and Chaos.

The oldest clan is Kenchi

The oldest without break and still retaining a large element of original members could well be Rage

The oldest clan with a little break and still retaining alot of original members is Fear

I can explain my mention of Rage and do not want to be just seeming to throw propaganda here in support of Monsta's thugs..... at no time has there ever been a period when no Rage has been present for more than maybe a week on a server.

No disrespect to Kenchi but our very own Tera did slip over the NoFear for a while (12 months plus?) and a Kenchi was as rare as rocking horse sh*t.

The highly respected Fear Clan also become something of an Emu in Poland.

I would gladly buy each and every clan member that I have met a drink (especially the early ones) because even in 'bad' times it has been fun....

Demon was a bad apple but he was original and an element that we needed to spice up the times....alas we gained another 100 demon wannabes and mainly pale shadows of thee demon. He p*ssed people off but he had a certain class....and when you know a snake will bite..your not as shocked when they do.....

The best times I think we/I ever had was during the first (2nd after walkout start!) campaign....it did get rather heated in central Japan but I wouldnt have missed it for the world...

Imagine this......'army seen over the hill....RageMonsta and RageDevil rush to defend their little bridge....they see NoFear army marching towards them...this was expected...but whats this...an Elite army from the west!!!...Monsta had sent message of peace to this kingdom...oh how the worm has turned....but thats not all..our hearts sank as from the east comes...Fear......3v1 with about 600 koku per enemy more....but we had a bridge and we never go out without a fight.

About an hour and a bit later we had taken 2 enemy generals....but alas our Monk producing region was lost.

This was our first week in campaign...we stabbed each other in the back so many times we looked liked teabags...if the talks on MSN between Monsta and Tera were available...they would carry a health warning.

Monsta promised revenge..and each clan who joined against Rage on that first day payed us back double what they had taken.

And newer players wonder why we miss the 'old' days....you should have been there...we were warriors....we all had honour (ahem well) and we had fun.

Respect to the old guard may the newer guys experience the same when their times comes.[/QUOTE]

Good remembrances. And err, Monsta, you're wrong on one piece of history. While I was in NoFear, Satake and co. returned and re-made Kenchi after ONLY 3 months of inactivity http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif In fact they did participate in the first campaign but refused to participate in the next (remember the lapdogs issue? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif)

Anyhow, to add to the list, the consistently strongest clan must be Wolves.

Moving back to your topic, we INDEED hate fun, the talks about the circle, the alliances, the backstabbing, the losses, the victories, the bridges ( http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif), plans...

I see much more of that coming up for Medieval.

P.S.

Praises to ELITES for being consistent too. Very much so...

[CaPeFeAr]

well ive kept out of this discussion for as long as i can stand it. if kenchi is the oldest clan and they were not active for 3 months, then how can anyone say my clan is dead. in fearfulways we have no rules, ive never enforced a "must play in uniform" rule. there have been fears playing since the game was a few weeks old with no breaks. We are nowhere as large as we were but neither are any of the other clans. well... medieval is here and so is fear.

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Quote Originally posted by CaPeFeAr:
well ive kept out of this discussion for as long as i can stand it. if kenchi is the oldest clan and they were not active for 3 months, then how can anyone say my clan is dead. in fearfulways we have no rules, ive never enforced a "must play in uniform" rule. there have been fears playing since the game was a few weeks old with no breaks. We are nowhere as large as we were but neither are any of the other clans. well... medieval is here and so is fear.

[/QUOTE]

Some say your clan is dead because we didn't see a Fear for months lately - and the one we've seen didn't play with clan name. All clans have a downtone anyway, long or short depends...

I'm happy to see one of the old legend clans resurructed - GL!

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evil is within us... http://www.totalwar.org/site/emomalta.gif

[NagaoKagetora]

First up.... S! Darth! Longtime no see http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

Second.....Kenchikuka was never dead or inactive thanks to three people:-

Satake
DarthGuru
Daimon Minagawa

They kept "Kenchi" alive ....they may not have been online all the time but they were ever present looking for people to recruit.

As long as a clan has members who keep visiting their clan site keep in touch and play when they can.... then in my book its not inactive.

Thanks to people like Tera + Darkswords + Ninjakilla + Rath + BarryNoDachi etc etc we are still able to talk of Kenchikuka in the present tense and no doubt far into the future tense (getting misty eyed).

Thirdly...S! Cape! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif I remember NCbeach + DragonOfEchigo having a few encounters before the days when we joined our clans!
GL for the future and hope to see you on the Medieval fields http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/p.crozier/kagetora.jpg
Kagetora
Kenchikuka + Kampfgruppe Wiking

[DarthGuru]

WOW, is that Kage?!?! How are you old friend? I hope all is well. It's been quite awhile since I've seen you.

BTW, on Kage's note, Kenchi never really went inactive. The time everyone speaks of when the clan seemed dead was because there were only three members (This is when Kenchi had some internal problems and everyone left, including Magyar and Tera). Out of those three, only Satake and I were active. Those were rough times for our clan, but we survived and rebuilt the clan(Kage was one of our first recruits and was pivotal in our rebuilding stages). Anyways theres some Kenchi history for you all. Again, good luck and see you all soon.

Aye, and now we're all back http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

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evil is within us... http://www.totalwar.org/site/emomalta.gif

[CaPeFeAr]

ive always said kenchi was the oldest.... i did some reserch and the daimyo name was registered #79 ... www.totalwar.ea-europe.com/Players/PlayerDetails.asp?PlayerID=79 (http://www.totalwar.ea-europe.com/Players/PlayerDetails.asp?PlayerID=79)

i dont think it gets much older than that..

on second note.. i was there during this so called break in kenchi... i didnt see some of the members you claimed played but you did leave out one of the main kenchi players who kept the clan alive....KenchiCat. An exelecent general as well as honorable player in every aspect.

in order to help settle this discussion on whos oldest... here are a few more clan daimyo player id's

Fear - 17448
Takiyama - 20746
Shades - 27332
Rage - 27813
Ronin Warlords - 27818
Doragon - 29890






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[This message has been edited by CaPeFeAr (edited 08-25-2002).]

[DarthGuru]

Hello NC, been a long time http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif . Anyways the time you are speaking of is the recruitment time after our depression or so-called dead time. Cat was recruited soon after Kagetora, and yes he was important to our survival as was Kage, Kiku and others in our rebuilding. Kenchikuka before the revival did not require it's players to wear a tag or uniform therefore some of our players may have gone unnoticed. But during the dead time, only Satake and I were active in the clan. Daimon was active only in the forum, and Leoknite (the first to be recruited a little before Kage was not counted because he had a busted comp) was also only active in the forums.

[Toda Nebuchadnezzar]

But the oldest clan of all time (active and inactive) is/was Towashima right?

Didn't they disband before the game was even released??



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Jaguara-Spoken like a TRUE SPAMMER Toda!

No Fear Legend.

[RageMonsta]

Active..non active..half active..old...oldest

I think what is important is that we are here still...and we are quite nice geezers on the whole..as Monsta has said before we are the 'backbone' of on-line play....btw Demon Khans are still going.....cos I still have my name and pass word http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif .

[NinjaKilla]

Hey that's neat - I never noticed that number before.

#3923... I'm not a number, I'm a free man! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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[This message has been edited by NinjaKilla (edited 08-25-2002).]

Well, I think the #79 clears the oldest still alive 'thingy' once and for all. What about the one with most battles? The one with most losses? The one with most wins? I would throw the dart at Fear or Wolves probably. Rage were never big fans of competitive games (except lucifer) and Kenchi didn't play much comps in the new era.

Towashima is indeed one of the first, Jun Tokugawa was one of them if I remember correctly.

But hey...who is here is here and who is dead ...let him be dead. The '2000' clans are to be considered the veteran clans of Total War...a month here and a month there won't make much of a difference, we were all newbies back at the time anyway http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

Btw... http://totalwar.ea-europe.com/Players/ClanDetails.asp?ClanID=29

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evil is within us... http://www.totalwar.org/site/emomalta.gif

[This message has been edited by Terazawa Tokugawa (edited 08-25-2002).]

[RageMonsta]

I never noticed that number thing before...heres and interesting one...

Demon Khans (spelt Kahns) 16458

wonder if the uniform still fits!

[RageMonsta]

What is strange is the Kenchi number....were you called something else b4?

If i am doing this right..your number seems really high.

Heres a number that may shock if correct-

13332- snakepoisen...recognise any names from that clan! heheheheh...they seem old..you whipper snappers!

Some more research...

Chain = 18103
Chaos = 2384

Kenchikuka was called 'kenchikuka' first in the records, Shimazu Asaji daimyo.

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evil is within us... http://www.totalwar.org/site/emomalta.gif

[RageMonsta]

i see.....and it also depends if we are taking clan i.d or player i.d ...i think..but interesting reading anyway.

Yes, the clan ID will always be smaller than the player ID because some player ID's are in the same clans. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

Cape and I are taking the daimyo player ID of the clans. #79 is the number of Shimazu Asaji...example.



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evil is within us... http://www.totalwar.org/site/emomalta.gif

[RageMonsta]

Ok so your the oldest formed to be alive today...as we already knew but monsta likes to see see Tera shout it alot http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

But think about this...which clan is oldest with the original/first creator of the clan name still active now?

In some ways if wanting to be a bit criticle of the system used to calculate 'oldest' and just for the sake of arguement...

Lets take those named b4.and who still exist today active.with at least 5 members.

Fear
Kenchi
Rage
Elite

and the other I am not sure qualify....Shades also not sure (5 members etc).

now take the orginal gaffer of these clans....who is still here....when did they leave.

Otherwise you need to take the present gaffer/boss/leader and calculate their age...

does this make sense?

I understand your system. But remember...Brazil won 5 World Cups but the team of 1930 isn't the same of 2002...but they still retain that title. Clans are like teams...they change...but they're still bound to continue the tradition...eg. Brazil...winning. You understand what I mean? It's called a 'legacy'...when we're speaking of 'oldest' we're speaking of 'history' which means 'past' that can't be altered by the 'present'

Of the 'old' Kenchi me, darth, satake still survive I think (Momo?) Rage (active bunch) got Monsta, Storm (more?), Wolves got Magyar, Koc (more?), Fear dunno...who else?

But hey you can't pretend that the 29th clan to be formed out of thousands would be still the same ... hehe. At least we retain some old members.

We're ignoring a clan though...TAKIYAMA...older than Rage/Wolves/Shades/Doragon, they probably got the largest proportion of original members and never faded away...

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[This message has been edited by Terazawa Tokugawa (edited 08-25-2002).]

[ShadeWraith]

Quote Originally posted by RageMonsta:
qualify....Shades also not sure (5 members etc).
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Last time I checked the roster we had 10 guys in Shades....we will be back for MTW and looking forward to renewing old friendships....and hatreds... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

Wraith

[RageMonsta]

First off m8 it isnt my system...it was put forward as an idea to consider if 'oldest' meant first formed or longest serving.

Your point about Brazil is confusing...maybe we should look at it this way..

Buck Rogers oldest man in the future on planet earth...but he was frozen for thousands of years....does this count because he is only really in his 30's...and has only lived that long...therefore a clan that is 'sleeping' and then returns are they older or are they just a re-invention of the original?

Kenchi may well be the earliest who exist today to have 'signed on the dotted line' but is it not true that the real struggle of being in a clan comes with staying in one piece and not wandering off into other clans or having prolonged breaks?

How else can we see this....

A man starts a marathon..he runs 10 miles..then hops in a taxi....he jumps out at the 25 mile mark...he start at 0 miles and runs through to finish at 26 miles....he has completed the marathon but he only ran 10 miles!

I agree that Kenchi are the oldest as in signing up.....I would say Fear could be the longest to serve as a clan without a break...but

your point is right...

Takiyama may have been together the longest (as a unit.although they had a name change due to azzamains being 'naughty') and if they have had no change of 'leader' he is also the longest serving gaffer..otherwise its maybe me..hehehe.

Oh and Tera you forgot Krast.....from the Monsta/Storm list..Devil would play but has no PC in OZ but still posts at the forum....Exe also posts although serious illness restricts his play...Sword also posts but has no on line function where he lives (out in the wilderness of Sweden0..just a little update before you dig our grave m8...not that its likely in my life time... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

as for comp wins...when done as an average Rage when playing comp were top 5 for most of the time and maybe the highest real clan (5 or more) during this time but I doubt we would have matched the fanatical wolves' comp gaming..i think Fear had an above average rating throughout the clan and if we look at the present Angles are ok but anything after MI/WE can be put into questio due to dodgy tactics of kill your own m8 for points (from the non old school anyway).

Like I said before the most important thing is we are still here..all of us (kinda)...and have shared good and bad times....many more in the future to us all.

Akai-ken would be even earlier tha Takiyama then...around the same age of Fears. On your point of 'who kept his original form the longest by having the most original members' is tricky...right now MI is played by maximum 10 on the fake server and the only clan alive is Takiyama (continuing their amazing longevity...the wonders of being 'pacific' eh Monster http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif)

Anyway, continuing on your valid point...I think a clearer view can be seen when MTW is out and everyone gets it...old members are to come back ...we're expecting some sort of 'old clan revival'...our forums are getting filled with old members signing back.

Will Exe, Sword, Fury be back in full force with MTW? And what about the old Fears? I propose we'll see then...but I repeat...when time comes few will be looking at who is the oldest...the majority will bid on the strongest. Let's work on that http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

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Like I said before the most important thing is we are still here..all of us (kinda)...and have shared good and bad times....many more in the future to us all.
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It's been over 2 years now...it's amazing how much stuff we passed from...and we're still here. We want more! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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[This message has been edited by Terazawa Tokugawa (edited 08-26-2002).]

[NagaoKagetora]

Bumping this... good reading for those interested http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/p.crozier/zerokage1.jpg
Kagetora
Kenchikuka + Kampfgruppe Wiking

[RageMonsta]

Exe will be back as soon as he is fit again...

Sword posted with us the other day and is trying to make plans to get connected .... there is some thing about dial up cons in Sweden..they are pay per minute and no cable is available for him in the 'sticks'.

Today Devil tells us he is going to practise in OZ and be back early next year to hurt a few folk on-line..

It seems we (us from the old days) will be back..lets hope that MTW lives up to the billing it has been given and a new era of TW begins.

[ShadeWraith]

So how many guys you got active at present Monsta? I dont think there are any of Clan Shades that aren't getting the game. I'm hoping we can get most of the clan on pretty soon after release date in the U.K, so that should be fun http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif


Wraith

Good to know Monsta.

Several old Kenchis coming back, but I'm a fan of not huge clans...we have no daimyo so we decide with democratic voting.

I even heard the Host of Chaos maybe be re-established...

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[Toda Nebuchadnezzar]

Reading this it reminds me that Rath was making a clan history website. I wonder whatever happened to it. From the preview he gave me it was looking really good.

hhhmmm maybe thats something I might pick up where he left off if he stopped doing it.

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No Fear Legend.

[ShadesWolf]

Shades number appears to be 16584
http://totalwar.ea-europe.com/Players/ClanDetails.asp?ClanID=16584

The most member we had was 18, but we are currently runnings at 10. ShadeLord has been there from the start as the leader, and is still our leader.

[RageMonsta]

Ok Tera the hint was enough...I will have to ask the lads if they think its ok for me to be your 'leader'.

I remember the history thing....even sent a requested 'history of who is who' thing...nothing happened though..what do you expect from a fan of OZ rules footy...its a wonder he even remembers his own name....not the friendliest sport ever to be developed!

I may host a page on the Rage site...history of TW on line as I have witnessed it' for all to send their little snippets....would be fun to see the conflicting versions.

Monsta is starting a page about the rumours concerning the 'circle'...any evidence about this would be nice.....gimme chance to get things going and then i will request any 'sightings' to be sent to me to be put on the site...(somewhere next to crop circles and big foot!)

[ShadeWraith]

Good work Wolf m8, although Shades may not aspire to the high profile of other clans within the TW sphere. We have a very sound internal structure, how many other clans still have all their founding members active? Not too many I would hazard a guess http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif. I suppose reading through these posts that a distinction may have to be made between clans that have remained active in TW and clans that have remained active playing other games. Shades have not been too active in TW for a while but continue to play other online games both collectively and individually.


Wraith

Quote Originally posted by RageMonsta:
Ok Tera the hint was enough...I will have to ask the lads if they think its ok for me to be your 'leader'.
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Rage aren't just enough? Ah yes, you're also Watchman of the Circle, ouch isn't that enough? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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[Krasturak]

Quote Originally posted by Terazawa Tokugawa:
We're ignoring a clan though...TAKIYAMA...[/QUOTE]

Gah! Errors like this are unconscionable! Gah!

(P.S. someone told Krast that big word means 'wrong', or something like that.)

[Rath]

Monsta i'm still waiting for you to reply to my email...been like 4 months now at least...

I've actually got quite a few replies from the dedicated daimyo's, but i didnt want to reveal the site until it was finished...i might have to change that if there is enough interest.

[CaPeFeAr]

circle? whats a circle?

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[ShadeWraith]

I was also interested in what was happening with the clan history project Rath. Do you have any information from Shades? If not let me know and I will chase it up, as I think it's a worthwhile project and deserves all our support.

Wraith

[RageMonsta]

Rath i wrote about 4 pages and sent them m8.

[MagyarKhans Cham]

DarealRuler is a player from the Shoguns release as well

[ShadeWraith]

I s there going to be a web site for the clan history...if it ever gets completed? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

Wraith

[Rath]

I never got it Monsta...i remember Fury telling me u had sent it so i believe ya, but for some reason it never got to me ???

[RageMonsta]

Shame..i did the Rage thing....bit about the final days of the Demons...bit about this and that...if interest I can do it again sometime...I even mentioned the 'chat war' that came about after Chaos (swollen by this time) decided to come out of their hiding place (own room) and go mental cos somebody said something about them....about 15-20 chaos vs 20-30 regulars/veterans/clans and the odd confused newbie....you think that it is mad when maybe 2 or 3 have a 'barny' this was 'hyper speed' scroll in the room...went on for about ten minutes....it also included death threats.....oh here i go again...those were the days!

[ShadeWraith]

Im just bumping, as this is the first time a topic I have started has received over 100 posts....does the org have a special icon I can use to celebrate this event? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

Wraith

[Rath]

Well it's taking up over 1 fifth of this forums allowance, so that's gotta be a record http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif...great thread...i'll ask the higher powers if they can archive it.

I've got a good few of the clans info monsta...such as from aggony, takiyama, kenchi and a number of others...so if enough peeps are interested (as this many replies may indicate) maybe we can make something of all the info, which btw i have made a site for. Here's the url if anyone wants to make any comments...a lot of blank pages but u get the idea http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
http://au.geocities.com/rathanseril

[ShadeWraith]

Good work so far Rath. I will post on Shades forum and see if we can get someone to rustle up a clan synopsis/history. I noticed that you had Doragon's down as deceased...do they know that yet? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gifI thought they were still going as a clan..although they are inactive in STW/MI.


Wraith

[Rath]

Heh if i say they are deceased than they are, ok ?!? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif

Yeh there's a few errors but they are easily fixed, plus i have info for a few clans that i am yet to put in.

[Toda Nebuchadnezzar]

OOOOOOOHHHH Rath what about that lovely flash intro I made for you...??? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/confused.gif

All my work gone down the drain???????


Gah! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/rolleyes.gifIt figures. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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DIPSY SAYS EH-OH!!!!!!!

[ShadeWraith]

Toda, the dipsy image on your sig looks like a bit of a d**khead to me http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gifOr was it designed to look like that?

Wraith

[Rath]

Toda the flash didnt work properly...it distorted the screen so it had to go man...but if u want to make one that works mate... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Krasturak]

Quote Originally posted by Toda Nebuchadnezzar:
Gah![/QUOTE]

Gah! We were all NEBs once! Gah!

[ElmarkOFear]

Now if you want to talk about the clan that played the most 2v2 and up competitive matches that would have to go to the Fearful Ways clan. At the time we all stopped playing comp games, we were well over 4,000 plus games I believe. Of course 500 of them were JST in 1v1 games. LOL

[RageMonsta]

Now look what you gone and done Wraith..you ask stupid questions and stupid people reply in their hundreds....glad I havent added anything here...errr till now...and maybe one or two others.....but nothing compared to this lot...please join the 'give us more room in the clans forum' campaign...Tera we promise this time you wont get 'Mutsued'(to coin a phrase).