TOTAL WAR CLANS LEAGUE

[Kas]

My new project...

A league of all the honourable clans.

Still under construction, good ideas are welcome...after all this is not for me or my clan..it's basicly for all clans...potentialy.

I already put up a website and forum for it.

Bits and pieces will be added asap.

Please check it out...and give me a hand.

Thanks!

League website: www.aggony.org/league.htm (http://www.aggony.org/league.htm)

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[Itonami]

Too many rules I reckon

[MagyarKhans Cham]

the best rule that solves all misbalances is that each battle consists of 2 battles where each side plays also with teh army of the other guy.

still good luck with hosting.

[Vlad The Impaler]

well Itonami ,there are too many rules maybe because it is designed to be the league of the honourable clans; not any kinda clan http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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[Kas]

Quote Itonami: Too many rules I reckon[/QUOTE]

I don't think these rules are a problem to most clans...in fact I think most clans already live by these rules.

My sole intention is to get as many online players as possible to behave nice.

It can also be a guideline for new clans and players.

Mag...your idea is nice...but not realistic imho.

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[Shumeisan]

The rules are a dead link for me at this time.

If you want to have a look Leoknite and I, in the ancient time of Shogun had a reflexion on some rules for a 2v2 league.

2V2 League (http://www.ifrance.com/chainclan)

But as I can't read your rules I don't know if this link is adapted.

[Kas]

sorry messsed up...updating the site...fixed now.

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[Shumeisan]

Fixed http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
So my link was not adapted...

Nice rules, but I don't at this point see the objective of the league except a kind of club for clans.

Are you also planning to have a set of rules for the games ? A kind of link with the results of on-line battles ? Or just some league events ?

*will have to find an old clan who will accept me http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif*

[ShadeHonestus]

Quote Originally posted by kaneyashi:
My new project...

A league of all the honourable clans.

Still under construction, good ideas are welcome...after all this is not for me or my clan..it's basicly for all clans...potentialy.

I already put up a website and forum for it.

Bits and pieces will be added asap.

Please check it out...and give me a hand.

Thanks!

League website: www.aggony.org/league.htm (http://www.aggony.org/league.htm)

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Great Idea I must say. A few questions though.

Why the exclusion of new clans? I mean, I belong to one of the oldest active clans, but the community will only thrive with new clans and members who aren't challenged by a set bar above a code of conduct. Being honorable is an action, not a privelage.
Are you just planning on running this flat file?
Did you look at the Tournaments at TWA?
Did you know that a comprehensive clan league is pretty much already programmed at TWA, just waiting on membership and leagues to launch? (also waiting on patch to query online battle results for verification)
Why not save some time and come on board at TWA? I'm all for diversification, but I do believe teaming efforts, especially in a league setting is the best approach.


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[NagatsukaShumi]

New clans aren't allowed?

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[ShadeHonestus]

Quote Originally posted by NagatsukaShumi:
New clans aren't allowed?

[/QUOTE]

1. Clan must exist for at least 3 months.

11. All clans must agree on new league members.


These are the exclusionary rules that I was responding too...

[ShadeHonestus]

Quote Originally posted by MagyarKhans Cham:
the best rule that solves all misbalances is that each battle consists of 2 battles where each side plays also with teh army of the other guy.

still good luck with hosting.[/QUOTE]


While I agree to a point and aplaud the effort in misbalances. I don't think that this is the essence of the game. Best of a series, 2 out of 3, choosing your own army best suites the nature of the game, competition, and allows for adjustments. Half of your generalship in the TW series is choosing an army, not only to fit your opponent, but to match your ability.

[MagyarKhans Cham]

"Half of your generalship in the TW series is choosing an army, not only to fit your opponent, but to match your ability."

do you know where this ends? not much chance that our Khan will join this tourney. but that shouldnt stop kane from pulling this off. their are eager wolves enuf ready to field the powerarmy of tomorrow.

[ShadeHonestus]

So if there is a "powerarmy" to come about, then how would a 2 game format with the swapping of armies make any difference? That would depend on the hope that one person would not indulge in the "powerarmy." It gets to be a bit of a circular argument. I was hoping that the diverse factions would, in effect, solve this problem. The relation breaking down that every faction has their match, but none trump all. This is yet to be seen...

[Kocmoc]

imo, it should be select a standart army and all have to use it.

this would solve the probs and all had the same chance.


koc

[baz]

i agree with koc, maybe there could be a couple of balanced choices?

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[Kas]

Err....

1. A league is not a tournament or ranking system...a league is a society, club or circle if you like...at least this one is http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

2. New clans are welcome...after 3 months, because they need time to settle down and prove themselve "worthy"...besides...loads of clans who start...die within days, would be a waste of energy. I personally think 3 months is about the time a clan need to get organised. debatable..I know.

[Kas]

I can call it the "honour society", but that name was used in the past...and I don't want to steal something...perhaps with permission.

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[Krasturak]

Quote Originally posted by kaneyashi:
A league is not a tournament or ranking system...a league is a society, club or circle if you like...[/QUOTE]

Gah! So this is what he's up to! Gah!

[RTKLamorak]

cool idea i think... tho many seem to have only skimmed the site and .. as u just pointed out the league is not a tournament of any kind... so dig into the forums and there and one thread sets out Kas's intentions of the this league. So the TWA tournaments/leagues will be very different in context (from what ive read)... and both can operate in collaboration with eachother to make TotalWar even better than it is. Good work to all u's guys work.. where would we be without you http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif



RTK6Lamorak

[Nobunaga0611]

Just a few questions...I think its a good idea if done right (and I can't really tell you what 'right' is atm)

- Do you have any ideas for League events?

- Also, theres not going to ever be a time where the League requires its members to pick certain armies when playing, except say certain tournaments where that specific army is kind of the basis for the tournament? (Like on a regular non-tourn. day)

I wouldn't think anyone would ever do that, but just to clarify http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif

Also, I think the 'exclusionary rules' aren't a bad thing, as long as its explained, lets say, in the forum (you could put a link from that rule to the thread that explains the reasoning for these rules). Reason being, some people might find those rules somewhat arrogant, and basically exclusionary, like Honestus said. Eventhough these rules aren't meant to be that way, just a precautionary, and necessary thing imo, some might not understand it. So...just a suggestion http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

[RageMonsta]

Krast sees word...Krast makes valid point....newbies not understand....but reward for Krast....a new kitchen maybe?

"around and around it goes where it stops nobody knows"!

[RageMonsta]

I think you need to change the name of the thread..people think you mean competitive league not a 'United Nations of MTW'.

[Kas]

Thanks for the input again:

1. I'm not arrogant

2. Never my intention to force clans to use fixed or certain armies

3. Again..new clans are welcome, perhaps reduce the "waiting" time to 2 months. There is no harm in a little patience I think.

4. Events can be all kinds of tournaments and whatever events the members like to see.

5. The name can be changed into: Society of honourable clans

6. I'm not the "boss" of this...I'm just starting it.

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[Kas]

I changed the name to:

HONOURABLE CLANS SOCIETY

The link to the err.. Society website stays the same: www.aggony.org/league.htm (http://www.aggony.org/league.htm)

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[NagatsukaShumi]

Oh, just though that Seljuk couldn't enter. Technically we've been around since around March when it was first known as the Baltic sons.

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Seems like the new 'Honour Society', but this time, clan-based. Every community, big or small, has it's league of clans, that represents the clans-side of the community.

It might be mostly a figurehead group rather than a ruling body, but why not?

- Tera

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[ShadeHonestus]

Kane,
Okay, thanks for clarifying some things. I can see the purpose much clearer. I do still wonder on some of the finer points such as the voting in of clans and the like. I do imagine this will become clearer as the project progresses. I will again make the offer of bringing this under the auspices of the TWA site still being under your control. I offer this so you may have more programming options and make it less time consuming.

United Clans of Total War

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[MagyarKhans Cham]

similar like the united nations?

who will be usa and who will be iraq?

[Kas]

The voting will be something like this:

Clan AAAAAA likes to become a member...they have a site, forum, exist for 4 months now, 8 active members and are willing to behave honourable. They agreed on the rules...Any objections?

Without the voting it would be me to decide, and that's not the way it should be.

About the TWA...I'm not trying to compete with any support site.

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[LittleGrizzly]

Quote Originally posted by MagyarKhans Cham:
similar like the united nations?

who will be usa and who will be iraq?[/QUOTE]

umm how about wolves as usa and angels as iraq ???

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mag=bush
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deception=hussian


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[Kas]

I'll take over the "counsil" idea, both Tera and AggonyValkyria proposed.

If every society clan appoints a representative for the counsil...the society will be independent and self supporting.

I will add a forum where clans can sign up and a counsil forum asap also.

Also need a moderator for the society forum, perhaps a RTK guy?

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[Lethal DRB]

Kas? U have nothing to do or so..?
First u organise a cool meeting than a nice league http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

DRB

[ShadeHonestus]

Quote Originally posted by kaneyashi:

About the TWA...I'm not trying to compete with any support site.
[/QUOTE]

I wasn't worried about competition, I was just offering my programming ability and an environment where you could accomplish more with less for the sake of your project.

'tis okay though. I wish you the best.

[Nobunaga0611]

Quote Originally posted by kaneyashi:

Also need a moderator for the society forum, perhaps a RTK guy?

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[/QUOTE]

I'd nominate Elrich, but he seems pretty busy as it is....so I dunno. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif I'm sure a good mod will be found though. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

[RTKLamorak]

hehe.. i know elrich has been working incredibly hard within our castle walls recently, but will put idea at clan forum. A good idea mabye is to initially organise the clans who are to be involved, and each (if they have one http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif ) puts forward a modder/s, to be put into a short list, and each clan has one vote (cant be member of own clan) for the modder. Many ways this could be done tho..... just my thoughts http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif


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[This message has been edited by RTKLamorak (edited 09-26-2002).]

[Kas]

If the TWA likes to host the Honourable Clans society...that's also fine to me.

After all..the TWA is an independent support site.

If you like to do this, you may use whatever I came up with. Otherwise I start it myself after my vacation.

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[ShadeHonestus]

Quote Originally posted by kaneyashi:

If you like to do this, you may use whatever I came up with. Otherwise I start it myself after my vacation.
[/QUOTE]

I'll put some tools together and see what I can do for the project. When do you get back from vacation?

[Kas]

I'm leaving for Cuba this sunday and will return friday October the 18th.

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[ShadeHonestus]

I'll shoot you some stuff on Saturday...

[DthB4Dishonour]

Hey all,

Just wanna give my support to this sounds cool. It might give newbies incentive to join clans since the clan option isnt as much a focus as in STW. Also it could give a blue print for newbies and new clans on how to behave and what vets like yourselves consider good behavior.

Also we can form a fellowship of the clans to go against the evil Arslan who is waiting and strenghting his evil castle of Mordor waiting for competitive games. :P

RTKPaul
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[Goedfroy]

rofl ...
That league is a great idea !!

. A league is not a tournament or ranking system...a league is a society, club or CIRCLE if you like...at least this one is
(kaneyashi)

Not the infamous circle ??????

Quote Originally posted by Goedfroy:
rofl ...
That league is a great idea !!

. A league is not a tournament or ranking system...a league is a society, club or CIRCLE if you like...at least this one is
(kaneyashi)

Not the infamous circle ??????

[/QUOTE]

ROFL - don"t mention it! hehe

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[Kas]

Perhaps someone can design a logo for the HCS.

Cya all in 3 weeks...bye bye!

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[Itonami]

Quote Originally posted by kaneyashi:
I don't think these rules are a problem to most clans...in fact I think most clans already live by these rules.

My sole intention is to get as many online players as possible to behave nice.

It can also be a guideline for new clans and players.

Mag...your idea is nice...but not realistic imho.

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Oh yes I understand what you mean but can/will exclude many clans. And not all clan members have the same "personality" as their clans(ie- I am Angel but MOST of the time I dont act like im an Angel, or at least what everybody assumes an Angel acts like)

[Itonami]

Perhaps you could include ronins...hey what are ronins called now? lol

[ShadeHonestus]

Mercenaries?

[Itonami]

Perhaps....

[Kas]

It's for clans...Ronins (or whatever) can always join or create a clan.

I'll be back from hols end of the week.

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[ELITEofGAZOZ]

Hi Kaneyashi,

a "wise" man never says he is "wise"

also

a "honourable" Clan should never state to be "honourable"

As I could observe the members of the socalled honor society in shogun during the campaign weeks I had the impression, especially those members where the one, who love to attack, insult and flame in their ezboard-threads.

The Clan Elite Force won the HABA Award as the most honorable clan in 2001, but hey, we should never think, that we are really the most honorable clan. Certainly we are proud about this positive feedback from the community, and we are thankful, but we would never think, that we are really more honorable than other clans. We just won a price.

My point is: Exclusive societies are just organizations of snobs and are superflous.

[RageMonsta]

Honourable...what a funny word...the only honourable clan in Shogun are the Angels..at least they dont claim to anything more than evil.

[MagyarKhans Cham]

its sure elite wasnt most honourable, and being honourable is very subjectiv. i know that the gwis records shows lists of many less-honourable people calling themselves honourable....

still our Khan supports every idea that lengthens the longelivity of this game.