Raiding, how is it actually done?

[Sir William Wallace]

Can someone explain how to actually raid?, i have read about it, but dont really understand how to do it. and, how do you slash and burn?

[mfberg]

As Vikings you attack. In any land you take (even if they are hiding in the castle) you get the value of all religious buildings destroyed by the raid. Further raiding in that province involves taking the castle/town and destroying individual buildings. As Viking you get full value for them, other factions get 1/2 value.

In MTW raiding is the same way except everyone gets 1/2 value for destroyed buildings.

Another value in raiding is prisoners. Rebels are worth some small amount, and other faction soldiers (especially generals) are worth much more. Light Cavalry is best for chasing/capturing routers.

mfberg

[Sir William Wallace]

this happens on the battle screen i am assuming? like if there were a few huts randomly placed, i cn just attack those until they are destroyed and get money for them?, now do we have to keep the province or can we just move on,, in the book it made it sounds like we could go up and down the coast raiding and not keeping any provinces, but thank you, i shall go and practice my raiding on these wretched factions.

[Deus Ex]

this happens on the battle screen i am assuming? like if there were a few huts randomly placed, i cn just attack those until they are destroyed and get money for them?, now do we have to keep the province or can we just move on,, in the book it made it sounds like we could go up and down the coast raiding and not keeping any provinces, but thank you, i shall go and practice my raiding on these wretched factions.

I could be mistaken, but I dont' believe that in MTW attacking buildings on the battle map is possible. (Maybe in the Viking campaings...)

The way I Raid-n-Raze, is to take over the province (you have to clear out any garrisoned troops - or you do not have control of the province) - then when you right click on the buildings in the province, there is a button at the bottom that allows you to "Destroy" the building. When you click on that, a pop-up appears indicating that you can get XXX florins from destroying the building, are you sure you want to do this.

So when I Raid-n-Raze - I take over the province, destroy all the buildings (gaining a nice bit of coin sometimes) and then I move on. Although sometimes I will leave a small stack of peasants or spear in the province for a few years to try and avoid a loyalist rebellion.

just my 2 florins

DE

[Sir William Wallace]

yeah i found that works too, i was really talking about the viking era,, but destroying previous buildings that were there from another faction helps alot not only with getting florins, but it reduces the chances of a rebellion, i read this somewhere. then u can start up with all of your buildings. also, does the buildings that get damaged have to be destroyed and rebuilt like in RTW?,,, one more thing, when the computer takes over one of your provinces, does it destroy your buildings that were there and/or does it do that to other computer controlled provinces it takes over?

[mfberg]

I don't remember a difference in loyalty from destoying foreign buildings, there may be one, but it is not shown as it is in RTW. If you want to make a difference in how well the other factions recover from your raids you could build watchtowers or borderforts in the provinces you take over. Leave the next turn and the loyalist rebellion will have a higher loyalty base. If you want to make it even harder you could build two turn buildings to help the enemy build better troops. Remember the more money they put into building churches the more money you get from viking raiding.

mfberg

[Kommodus]

this happens on the battle screen i am assuming? like if there were a few huts randomly placed, i cn just attack those until they are destroyed and get money for them?

Nope, just fight a normal battle - destroying buildings on the battle map changes nothing. "Raiding" really does not differ in any way from a normal attack, except that once you've taken the province, you simply leave it behind instead of trying to hold it. You are attacking for money rather than for permanent conquest.

If you take a province in a raid, you may want to destroy any buildings remaining in it (on the strategic map, of course). This gives you extra cash, and the original owners only get back worthless land once your raiding army leaves. Of course, you can't do this if the enemy still has men holed up in a fort of some kind. You can assult the fort if you want, but often this causes more casualties than your raiding army can comfortably sustain. Normally, you will simply order your raiders to move on to the next target, rather than continuing the siege. You'll already have netted some money, and when you raid, you go for soft targets that yield a lot of loot. Assaulting or sieging is normally not worth it.

Any time you attack in MTW, whether for conquest or for looting, you will get some money as a result of the pillaging your soldiers do, and some buildings will be destroyed. The only difference in a raid is the way you behave once the province is conquered. In a conquest, you preserve whatever you can and garrison heavily to prevent rebellion. In a raid, you destroy whatever you can for money and leave immediately.

[Togakure]

From the Viking Invasion user pamphlet, Page 9, section entitled "Viking Raids":

" - Destruction Bonus: Any building that the Vikings destroy on the battlefield earns them gold [emphasis mine]. This is also true of any buildings destroyed during a siege. Destroying buildings using the Destroy button in the building's information parchment only gives half the building's value.

The end result of these special abilities is that Vikings can attack a costal region from the sea, destroy any buildings (and get the value of those buildings in gold) and then move somewhere else immediately without necessarily conquering the province. They don't need a port in the province to move again by sea, or wait four years for one to be built! Conquest becomes a secondary consideration to getting gold that other factions have spent on improving a province!"


From page 10, section entitled: "Viking Conversion":

" - The Vikings retain their raiding destruction bonus only as long as they are officially pagan. Once they convert to Christianity, the Vikings only receive half the value of any buildings they destroy.

- The Vikings convert to Christianity once 80% or more of the Viking people
are Christians.

- Non-Viking factions can aid the conversion to Christianity sooner by sending Bishops into pagan Viking territories."

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EDIT: Note that the above information applies only to the Viking faction in the Viking Era campaign.

EDIT2: How do to it:

1. Create an unbroken line of ships from the region where your army/armies are to the target region.

2. Move your army/armies to the target region (invade). Advance to the next turn.

3. Fight the battle. Defeat your opponents and destroy all buildings while still on the battlefield. When the battle is over and you are returned to the strategy map, immediately move your remaining troops from the region you just razed to another target region, or back to your own lands. Note that an unbroken line of ships must exist to your next target, or back to your own lands. Plan your return route or route to your next target region before attacking.

4. Repeat as prudent, moving ships as necessary to faciliate continued attacks, etc.

[ajaxfetish]

For raiding as the Vikings, the biggest thing you want to look for is Abbeys. You will always destroy an abbey regardless of whether any troops remain in the castle, and it gives you a ton of cash relative to any other buildings. My biggest problem with Viking raiding is when I ravage the coastline so much that they all stop rebuilding, and then it starts hurting my wallet.

[Sir William Wallace]

thank you everyone for explaining this..its helped alot. now , we have established this raiding can be done with the vikings or in viking era. can these tactics be transfered over to MTW?

[Togakure]

In MTW, factions only get half the value of the buildings they destroy no matter what, so it's not necessary to destroy the buildings on the battelfield. Just raze them from the campaign map screen using the Destroy button once you've completely secured a province.

I use the chevauche (sp?) technique often if a situation requires it. It accomplishes two important things: it raises extra cash for you, and deprives your enemy of resources and production capability. Sometimes I send a fair-sized army raging into an enemy's territory with no intention of keeping the territory conquered and without necessarily intending for the army to survive ("kamikaze!"). I hit province after province, destroying everything as I go, raising bucko bucks, and crippling and confusing the enemy. This can make the campaign quite easy however, so I usually reserve it as an emergency tactic, to knock the most powerful faction off of their high horse when troop build-ups on our borders threaten me significantly, or they break an alliance and attack.

You may not want to destroy infrastructure in a province that you plan to assimilate into your empire--particularly if it contributes to producing special troops with bonuses (armories and Royal buildings in Toulouse for example, where you can eventually produce +1 valor Chivalric Knights). If you don't intend to assimilate such a province in the near future, then depriving the enemy of the ability to produce bonused units by destroying the required infrastructure is desireable.

[Sir William Wallace]

ah, thank you kindly again,,,,,so the raiding and destroying buildings is only possible , providing your army wins the battle, hmm,, i may try to use this later this week,, i have one more final exam tomorrow, and then its raiding and razing the MTW map

[mfberg]

Fun & Loss in Raiding.

As the Danes I am having a great time taking my two stacks of Viking Huscarles through Europe, looting and pillaging along the way. I have sacked every town from Lithuania through Poland, and Germany through England to Scotland then south to destroy the French, Aragonne and the Iberian/Almo civilization centers then back east along the coast to destroy the Italians, that upstart pope (Imagine him excommunicating me, just for slaughtering all the christians from East to West). Two new victories every turn, two revolts and two losses every turn for those burnt provinces I leave behind, nothing stands, civil wars occur in my wake. By 1231 there shouldn't be anything bigger than a fort on any foreign land and my army will wait in Khazar to slaughter the Horde. Of course by then I'll be dead broke because all of my funding will disappear when I hit Egypt. Until then, its Loot and Pillage!!

(The current makeup of my units is 12 Huscarles, 1 Royal Knight, 2 Kerns, 1 Viking=2070fl/army in upkeep)

mfberg

[Togakure]

... that upstart pope (Imagine him excommunicating me, just for slaughtering all the christians from East to West). ...
mfberg
ROFL! Ain't wreaking havoc grand?! The Lords of Chaos would be proud.

"Arioch!! ARIOCH!!!! Blood and souls for my lord ARIOCH!!!!"

*Stormbringer howls with glee ...*