Age of Vikings and Fanatics: Total war

[Incongruous]

It is true and well, hey yeah we should do that, ok so the almalgamated peoples of the Anglo saxons should be known as "The Kingdom of The Englisc".
So do we both agree on that?

[Ranika]

Yeah, that seems agreeable.

[ScionTheWorm]

I think we should decide upon the factionnames once for all...

I vote for:
Kingdom of Englisc (formerly known as Saxons)
Slightly historically retarded as I am, the reason for choosing this name is relating them to the area we today know as england, as at the same time not being the empire we would accociate it with after the norman invasion - therefore the "sc"-ending.

Bulgarian Khanate
I just think this name is cooler than "Bulgars".

[Incongruous]

Oh ok you liked that Bulgar Khanate name eh?
Well then you could call Khazar the Khazar Kaghanate? :charge:

[Rodion Romanovich]

I think we should decide upon the factionnames once for all...

I vote for:
Kingdom of Englisc (formerly known as Saxons)
Slightly historically retarded as I am, the reason for choosing this name is relating them to the area we today know as england, as at the same time not being the empire we would accociate it with after the norman invasion - therefore the "sc"-ending.

Bulgarian Khanate
I just think this name is cooler than "Bulgars".

I agree. Also Khazar would be Khazar Khaganate, and Abbassids would be Abbassid khaliphate. But I'm not sure if "Kingdom of" should be included, because if it is, we have to include it in almost all of the other faction names...

[ScionTheWorm]

I agree.

[Incongruous]

Why, its historically accurate.
You could have names like, the realm of the Franks, or Frankik empire. Or just plain like Austuria.

[ScionTheWorm]

I think it's most highly unneccessary... but I like it very much though. I guess long names may disappear in the game some places, since ther ain't any vanilla factions with that long names. But if not, I like the over the top names, gives the mod little more glamour ~D

[Ranika]

If I may, I'd like to recommend some revisions to the Irish/Scottish faction descriptions slightly, mostly correcting errors in time tables. We know now that Celts inhabitted Ireland far earlier than the 1st century BC (more likely the 4th century), and the Scots weren't from a tribe called the Scotti, that was a Roman-British name for all Gaels which just meant 'pirates', and was adopted as a Brythonic term for the Scots (since they were in close contact with them, and were the most well-known Gaelic tribe). The Scots didn't call themselves Scots for some time; it was eventually adopted from the Strathclyders (who were Britons under their rule). They also came from a kingdom called Ulaid, which was a small kingdom in Ireland (in eastern modern Ulster, which was only later called Ulaid as a whole), consisting of several tribes, and the 'invasion' of King Fergus is mythical; Gaels had inhabitted the lands of Dal Riada for centuries. King Fergus did fight the Picts though, but probably over land rights; the presence of Gaelic houses in Argyll from the 1st century BC onward disproves the idea of an 'invasion'. In Ireland, the claims of Normans to the Irish throne never actually materialized until after the 1100s had begun. From Clontarf into the early 1100s, Ireland, while still disunified, was experiencing a period of more peaceful quasi-unity, and the high kingship actually experienced legitimacy (the high kings were successfully collecting homage from MOST kingdoms), but no high king since Brian ever had the strength (or maybe just no motivation) to push for stronger unity.

[Rodion Romanovich]

Ok, thanks. The faction descriptions were only temporary anyway - they'll all be completely rewritten for the ingame version as well as for the forum versions. Thanks for the info.

I think a good faction description should be posted in the factions presentation thread along with the symbols. Scion, would you mind if I edited your posts and added descriptions below the symbols or do you want that thread reserved for faction graphics only?

[ScionTheWorm]

edit my posts, take the first one. it's no problem, actually what I originally intended. stick it too.

[GoreBag]

Kingdom of the Englisc seems good to me, as well as Khaganates and Kaliphates. However, I'd never heard the term "Englisc" before; "Engla" seems right in my mind.

[ScionTheWorm]

would suck to have a wrong spelled faction name in the game.....:shame:

[Incongruous]

No, Alfred the great, who will be ruling from the start, was crowned "King of all the Englisc", and his kingdom was called The Kingdom of the Englisc.
Engla, hmm I have never heard of the that, and I posted the name Engla before, but it was not liked, and plus, the idea of the English nation in the modern term did not exist, it was not a country it was a kingdom.

[Incongruous]

Engla, hmm I have never heard of the that, and I posted the name Engla before

Sorry meant I had used the name England before. :embarassed:

[Rodion Romanovich]

edit my posts, take the first one. it's no problem, actually what I originally intended. stick it too.

Ok, it's sticky now. I've added around 5-7 descriptions, more will come. If you have any comments about the descriptions you can post them here.

[Krusader]

Read the descriptions and I have two things to remark.

1) Norwegian description: The first Duke of normandy was indeed Norwegian, but almost all sources I've read have listed the Vikings in Normandy as being of mainly Danish origin.

2) The Byzantines kept control of Asia Minor after the Arabs came, at least the western coast and central plateau. They lost Asia Minor in the years 1071-1099, but when the First Crusade came they managed to regain much land, at least the coastal territories.

Otherwise, very well.

If you want, I could type up something for Al-Andalus.

[Rodion Romanovich]

Read the descriptions and I have two things to remark.

1) Norwegian description: The first Duke of normandy was indeed Norwegian, but almost all sources I've read have listed the Vikings in Normandy as being of mainly Danish origin.

2) The Byzantines kept control of Asia Minor after the Arabs came, at least the western coast and central plateau. They lost Asia Minor in the years 1071-1099, but when the First Crusade came they managed to regain much land, at least the coastal territories.

Otherwise, very well.

3) If you want, I could type up something for Al-Andalus.

1 - yes, but weren't there many norwegian settlers in normandy?
2 - yes, I'm not sure if i made it sound like that explicitly but I meant what you said. I probably was a little unclear.

3 - If you like, yes. Overall I've had problems finding any decent info at all about Al Andalus and the Abbasids.

[Incongruous]

Yes finally you have gotten some faction descriptions coool ~D
If you like I could do something for the Magyars. :book:

[ScionTheWorm]

sig 2 big?

[Krusader]

Yes...a bit too big.

Good size might be the EB Member banners, or slightly bigger than them.

[ScionTheWorm]

hehe I was not going to use it for long, but I guess it's so high that it bugs people. just thought drawing some attention to the mod. maybe put a reqruiting-text there ~:handball:

[ScionTheWorm]

since BI (which probably won't be that great) is highly relevant for us, should we wait for that game in any way?
- town/city editing
- models, stock models
- fonts and looks, art and pics etc?
don't know what else...

since a lot probably won't buy that one, we can just stick to vanilla... or another possibility is to do this in version 2... I don't know exactly when bi is arriving though.

well just a note. not that important maybe, but when modelling 300 models, it could also be nice to use some already finished.

[skeletor]

The easyest wold just be to finish it for vanilla, and then use what we have for BI. Since we allready have all modells and graphics, implementing them in BI shouldn't be too mutch work anyway...

-Skel-

[Spongly]

If this is set after Alfred the Great's military reforms the Fyrd should be much better equipped than they appear to be - the Wessex Fyrd was an entirely mounted force, so was composed of wealthy men who would probably have been equipped with a sword, shield, spear, helm and probably also a mail shirt. It is not a peasant levy.

[ScionTheWorm]

no time converting to bi, just thought about the timesaving part. since we have 5(?) units done... but agree i guess

[Rodion Romanovich]

If this is set after Alfred the Great's military reforms the Fyrd should be much better equipped than they appear to be - the Wessex Fyrd was an entirely mounted force, so was composed of wealthy men who would probably have been equipped with a sword, shield, spear, helm and probably also a mail shirt. It is not a peasant levy.

Fyrd were peasant levies before Alfred the Great, then became a more professional, standing force, along with a local burwaran militia, but after Alfred the Great the fyrd once again became a militia or at least not standing force. We've chosen to represent the fyrd by two units: fyrdmen and armored fyrdmen, where the armored fyrdmen represent the professionals and the fyrdmen are slightly less professional. It's up to the player to choose if he wants a large standing professional fyrd (which is expensive to maintain), or if he wants to recruit much militia fyrd temporarily for his wars only to disband them in between. However it's likely that the Englisc will start with several armored fyrdmen in their starting army for historical accuracy, and then it could be easiest to stick to the Alfred the great system for a while instead of disbanding the units you have from start.

[Rodion Romanovich]

The easyest wold just be to finish it for vanilla, and then use what we have for BI. Since we allready have all modells and graphics, implementing them in BI shouldn't be too mutch work anyway...

-Skel-

I agree

[Rodion Romanovich]

Yes finally you have gotten some faction descriptions coool ~D
If you like I could do something for the Magyars. :book:

If you like, you could PM one or post one in this thread, but I'll probably adapt it to fit in length and style with the rest. But it would be great if you could make one, the magyars are one of the hardest factions to find info about.

[Incongruous]

A Chinese proverb states:. "Even a journey of a thousand miles begins with but a single step." It is very possible that the proto-Magyars wandered not a thousand miles but ten times that distance during the span of many centuries before arriving in their present homeland.

The Magyars, a people from the Turanian, basin proudly call themselves "the last pure blooded Scythians" and "Cousins of the Huns and Summerians", and for good reason, for these peoples all, in their turn, shook the very foundations of, civilization and in the case of the Huns, brought it crashing down. So now, should not the Magyars, proud and noble sons of Magor, seek to dominate the world?

From their power base north-east of the Carpathians, the Magyars it would seem, could have the pickings of any land. Yet, this is not so, immediatley to the south and east is the might of the Khaganate of the Khazars, a noble and mighty people, who managed at one point to force tribute from the Magyars. But the Khazars are not the biggest problem, it is the Mighty Bulgarian Khanate that threatens them most, this mighty nation is powerful enough to bring even the Greeks to their knees, this surely is the test of true power? But to the north west, their have been tales told, of vast armies appearing from the misty water like deamons and sweeping all before them in a torrent of blood and smoke, they must be true warriors!

But under sound leadership, the Magyars, sons of Magor and "the last pure blooded Scythians", have the power to destroy all befor them, shake the world to its core and perhaps even become Gods!

[Spongly]

Fyrd were peasant levies before Alfred the Great, then became a more professional, standing force, along with a local burwaran militia, but after Alfred the Great the fyrd once again became a militia or at least not standing force. We've chosen to represent the fyrd by two units: fyrdmen and armored fyrdmen, where the armored fyrdmen represent the professionals and the fyrdmen are slightly less professional. It's up to the player to choose if he wants a large standing professional fyrd (which is expensive to maintain), or if he wants to recruit much militia fyrd temporarily for his wars only to disband them in between. However it's likely that the Englisc will start with several armored fyrdmen in their starting army for historical accuracy, and then it could be easiest to stick to the Alfred the great system for a while instead of disbanding the units you have from start.

Excellent. That sounds cool. You should also have some less controllable but other skilled and armoured units to represent the personal hearthwerods of the local thanes and earls. Don't know how much of this has already been sorted.

[ScionTheWorm]

very nice dark shadow

[ArbitraryReality]

I don't know if this has been brought to anyone's attention yet, but have you checked out Chivalry: Total War? It seems they might be able to help you out with some stuff and vice verca.

Chivalry: Total War (http://www.stratcommandcenter.com/forums/index.php?showforum=40)

Just a thought.

[ScionTheWorm]

I don't know if this has been brought to anyone's attention yet, but have you checked out Chivalry: Total War? It seems they might be able to help you out with some stuff and vice verca.

Chivalry: Total War (http://www.stratcommandcenter.com/forums/index.php?showforum=40)

Just a thought.

As I've understood, they don't wish to shear so it probably won't happen. It's a great mod though, very neat units... But as much they've accomplished, what we have to offer at this time is probably not of very high value to them.

[ScionTheWorm]

While it's a little dead here on the forums I just thought I could post a picture. I've actually got units for a decent little gaelic army, irish versus scots. It feels a little like playing as romans (hmm and of course I am just with new skins), as they're always throwing these spears before charging.

These are unfinished kernbannals. Pressed pause and saw this irish upside down between some scots. How the hell did that happen??
https://img19.imageshack.us/img19/5950/sc110ud.th.jpg (https://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sc110ud.jpg)

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Is that screen photoshopped? It looks like its been filtered...

[ScionTheWorm]

it is... found a serious uglyness on them right before posting

[ScionTheWorm]

anybody going to wacken open air this year?

[Incongruous]

Me senses death upon this'ere forum

[ScionTheWorm]

it's deader than dead

[Incongruous]

Don't worry, its only dead because your past the concept stage, and are spending alot of time working hard on units and skins.
People are visiting and just waiting for something interesting to comment on.
Like me, I jave posted everything about the Magyars, so I stopped posting as much ~D .

Hey, what ever happened to you chief of research, where the hell did he go to.

[ScionTheWorm]

legio? vacation ~D

[Incongruous]

No no, that Apostate guy.

[ScionTheWorm]

never seen him around, probably dead also

[Incongruous]

Dude, your sounding really down, do you think that everyone has gone?

[GoreBag]

Was the Irishman dead? I had a problem with some Roman soldiers the other day - I shot them from behind with a ballista by accident, and when they "landed" on the ground, they were still floating in mid-air.

[ScionTheWorm]

stop taking those pills
:toilet:

[GoreBag]

No, really! I swear!

[skeletor]

I have heard of this before.. Think it was a bug in vanilla..

[ScionTheWorm]

skeletor, can you delete some pms?

[skeletor]

Done :)

[ScionTheWorm]

if anybody wants to write faction descriptions for the ones there's nothing about yet, it would be mostly appreciated. if you do it, pm them to me so I can update.

[skeletor]

I'd be happy to write one for the Al-Andalus..

-Skel-

[ScionTheWorm]

please do

[Incongruous]

Ok guys, a bit of a problem.
About the name "Kindom of the Englisc", well, all I can find on this name is from a few contemporary sources. Many modern historiens simply call Alfred the King of the Anglo-Saxons. But I doubt seriously that Alfred would have, indeed any of his contemporaries. So the question is, do want to keeep the name, I reckon we should, but we might cop some flack from wannabies who only read Osprey books and have never read any primary resources. ~:confused:

[Ranika]

That is a bit of conundrum; consider this:

The Irish and Scots are being called...Irish and Scots. They didn't call themselves that for a while. As kingdoms, they would've been different depending on their start locations, though the Scots would probably be Dal Riada, or called 'Alba'; Scot was a colloquialism used by Britons under Scottish rule, and only adopted later. It came from the Romano-British term for the tribes the Scots came from (the Scotti). If the Anglo-Saxons are called 'Englisc', concensus would dictate calling the Scots the Kingdom of Alba or Dal Riada. The Irish called themselves, as a people, the Éireannaght/na Gaeil/drogahn na hÉirean (similar to the modern terminology, muintir na hÉirean), and the 'kingdom of Ireland' (which existed in name only, since the high king had long since become essentially useless) was called Éire. It should be either all modern names (Anglo-Saxons, Irish, etc.) or all period appropriate names.

[Skott]

From what I have heard the Scoti were a tribe that came from ancient northern Ireland and settled into the western edge part of modern northern Scotland. They werent Picts at all. Not sure if they were Gael tribe or something earlier than the Gaels. This all happened long before the Vikings came about. Wether the Picts were still about in great numbers when the Vikings showed up or not is debatible. I'm guessing both tribes existed when the Vikings made their inroads into the area.

You could divide northern modern Scotland into two halves. To the western half is the Scoti and the eastern half the Picts and you'd probably be fairly correct historically speaking. That area had long been a mixture of Scoti and Pictish tribes before the Vikings made landfall there.

[Skott]

The Disappearance of the Picts


http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/history_scotland/75357


Maybe this will help some. There are some other links to more info on the above linked page.

[Skott]

And this....

General History of the Highlands
Uniting of Scots & Picts - 843


http://www.electricscotland.com/history/genhist/hist19.html

[Ranika]

From what I have heard the Scoti were a tribe that came from ancient northern Ireland and settled into the western edge part of modern northern Scotland. They werent Picts at all. Not sure if they were Gael tribe or something earlier than the Gaels. This all happened long before the Vikings came about. Wether the Picts were still about in great numbers when the Vikings showed up or not is debatible. I'm guessing both tribes existed when the Vikings made their inroads into the area.

You could divide northern modern Scotland into two halves. To the western half is the Scoti and the eastern half the Picts and you'd probably be fairly correct historically speaking. That area had long been a mixture of Scoti and Pictish tribes before the Vikings made landfall there.

What? No one called the Scotti Picts. The Scotti were Gaels; that's easy. It's what the Scotti called themselves that would be in question. Scotti is not a Gaelic term. It's a term from Romano-British slang, it just means 'pirates', because the Scotti, during Roman rule of Britain, commited a great deal of piracy. I think you misunderstood me. The Dal Riadans were so Gaelic that they were culturally identical to the Gaels who then inhabitted what is now modern Ulster.

[Incongruous]

It should be either all modern names (Anglo-Saxons, Irish, etc.) or all period appropriate names.

Agreed, I believe that we should use "period appropriate" names. So we should keep, Kingdom of the Englisc, and bring in all other periodic names. ~:)

[ScionTheWorm]

Agreed, I believe that we should use "period appropriate" names. So we should keep, Kingdom of the Englisc, and bring in all other periodic names. ~:)
I agree.. And besides, I wonder if these long names will screw themself up inside the game when they're long

edit:
Do we want pure native language and names on things? Then norge, sweden and denmark would be called something else I would believe... when I think it over, it would be cool though..

[Spongly]

The Englisc kingdom at this relatively early period would probably still just be called "Wesseaxe". Alfred or his successors may well though have called themselves "Kings of the Englisc" to define themselves seperately from the kings in Danelaw.

[Incongruous]

I beleive that they they should be called "Kindom of the Englisc", not only because Alfred was crowned king of Wessex and the Englisc, but also because, by the early years of the 10th century, it was called the Kindom of the Englisc/Or Kindom of Eangland

[Incongruous]

Arent we starting when Alfred was crowned king anyway?
So Wesseax would be a non-existant name, but still the political driving force of the Englisc nations.

Has anyone written a decent overview for the Englisc yet? I would like to.

[skeletor]

The mod starts about when alfred was born, but most of the game will be playd before, and after hes regin, so i guess were pretty free to choose..

It wold be cool if you could write the overview Bopa, the one we have is a bit short. I am working with one for the Al-Andalus... I pnly have web sources, so if someone with alot of knowledge about them wold help with sources, it would be great.

-Skel-

[ScionTheWorm]

I don't think it MUST be the faction name it would have at starting date, rather the most widely used in the period we are covering. So if the wesseaxe were to become what later was called kingdom of englisc, i think we should use the latter.

@skeletor: what do you think we would use for the norse factions if we'd decide to use native names?

[Incongruous]

WAIT UP! When does the game actually start then?
Found out, Legio decided on AD 880 by that time Alfred was King of the Englisc.

[ScionTheWorm]

880? 843 ad (introduction thread)

[Incongruous]

No, Leg and some others had a discussion about the start date, AD 880 was far more plausible, read the first and second pages.

[skeletor]

@skeletor: what do you think we would use for the norse factions if we'd decide to use native names?

Ok, the original viking names is a bit blur, but here are some suggestions. Please give your yey or ney..

Mentions of Norway:ca 800 - 950 AD

Norway: Norvegr, (North road) Noregr, Nordmannaland (Land of the north men, name of vest-norway menntioned about 800 ad)

Sweden: Svitjord (very old, maybe 400 - 600 ad, means black-earth) Svea-riket (Just a part of sweden, along with east and west götaland)

Denmark: Dane-Mark(Dane field/land)

More suggestions are welcome..

-Skel-

[ScionTheWorm]

oooooooh Nordmannaland!!! :barrel: :barrel: :barrel: :barrel: :barrel: :barrel:


- Nordmannaland
- Svea-riket
- Dane-Mark
- Dal Riada (Scots)
- Éire (Irish)
- Kingdom of Englisc
absolutely rocks... my vote, no doubt. Since we have something to choose from, I go with the ones that gives me the best accociations. I don't think we have to be total nazis either on the issue, I think we can mix native and modernized if neccessary.

the byzantines didn't call themself this either, rather romans... I guess this could be an issue too.

Please come with your opinion.

[Incongruous]

It might have just been, Romani or Romanoi or Romans.

Ok I'll do one for the Englisc, but we need to sort out the start date, I beleive it was changed to 880 because 840 was far too early and ahistorical if we wished to include Normandy and a proper Anglo-Saxon faction, same with Al-Andalus.

[ScionTheWorm]

okay I'm not sure about the details as I'm not contributing a lot to that field, but I thought Legio would have changed that in the introduction thread if it was the case - I think you should read the earlier posts when they are discussing this. At least I know that the Normandy issue was an compromise. Besides we have to wait for the BI decision to when he comes back, as he's the team leader.. or that's my opinion

[Incongruous]

Just wondering wasn;t the dominant Scottish kingdom Alban/Alba at this point in time.

[Ranika]

Alba would probably be best. I don't recall the start date, but most of the period it'd be called Alba (Scotland being a Britanno-Saxon name). If it's set after Kenneth took control of the Pict sub-kingdom of Fibb (south Picts), then it'd be called Alba (the Gaels' name for 'Britain').

[King Ragnar]

In 889 The name was changed to Alban, later in 1018 the name finnaly came to Scotland

[Incongruous]

Thanx, I thought as much.

[GoreBag]

then it'd be called Alba (the Gaels' name for 'Britain').

What about Beurla?

I, too, think Alba is the best name for the Scottish faction.

[Ranika]

Alba is recorded first as the name for Britain. Beurla is drawn from an Anglo-Saxon/Cumbrian mixed word that was introduced slightly later (during the wars with Northumbria); it was not accepted as the regular name for Britain for some years though, and used more as slang, and in the dialect of the period is actually related to the word 'Béarla', a catchall that meant all the non-Gaelic languages of Britain (today it just means the 'English' language, in Irish). Béarlan was also sometimes used to mean non-Gaelic Britain (and has long since fallen out of use), in the same way Béarla was non-Gaelic speakers in Britain. Alba was the more literal name of Britain to the Gaels (hence the kingdom of Alba; it was the kingdom of Britain, they'd not call it by a slang term).

[ScionTheWorm]

check out factions thread for the feeling of new names.

[skeletor]

Looks good..

Normannaland rocs ~:cheers:

Now we need to find native names for all factions. Byzantine = Roma? And a latin name for Papal states?

[ScionTheWorm]

yeah normannaland rules. we need to find for all factions now, even though I think they can be englishfied if not specific names (ie empire, states etc)

[Incongruous]

Well I beleive we should have Roman Empire, or maybe Constantinople instead of Byzantium.

[ScionTheWorm]

We could have
"Heiliges Römisches Reich" for germanny and "Imperium Romanorum" for byzantine empire (means Roman Empire) is some suggestions...

novgorod for rus?

papal I don't know... latin translation maybe, or "Roman Catholic Church", or maybe better just "papal states"

[King Ragnar]

The Papal States is good.

[ScionTheWorm]

- Normandie

- From Wikipedia: "The term Principality of Wales, in Welsh, Tywysogaeth Cymru, is often used," - Cymru? Wales sounds good too..

well that's all I think

btw I think "Heiliges Römisches Reich" kicks ass too, grim and german ~:cheers:

[skeletor]

For the byzantines, i guess ill just pm romanus and that other greek guy balleling out on Byzantine history all over the RTR forum...

They seem to know every tiny bit. I'm not really sure, but i think by the time, thay spoke greek in Constantinople.

I'll be back ~:cool:

-Skel-

[Krusader]

The Byzantines did speak Greek. And they refered to themselves as rhomaioi or Romans, and their empire as the Eastern Roman Empire.

[skeletor]

Thats the thing, i don't think they called it "the east roman empire" if they spoke greek ~:) Guess you see my point..

-Skel-

[Incongruous]

I would guess that they called themselves Romanoi.

[skeletor]

Here is what i got from Romanus:


So how the eastern world refered to the empire....
First of all the official language was Greek from the very beggining of the middle era(6th-7th century) and predominant before, with the death of Justinian IMO the last Roman remnants of the empire died too. So no imperium romanorum, it is wrong, its how the westerners refered to the empire in the early middle era (in 9th, 10th and 11th century, which is the late middle era the west refered to the empire as imperium graecum).
The easterners like the arabs, called the empire either Greek(common) or Roman and most of the times kingdom not empire. Others like the Russians didnt really have a term for the empire this era, they recognised it as greek though, as shows the road "From Rus to Greeks".

And...


I could give you many more references (i will, if you ask) but i think these are enough to make my point.
The official language was Greek as i said and proved, the subjects of the Empire(mostly Greeks) during this period of Imperial expansionism and progress, considered the empire Roman, so if you want to go for native names you need Roman Empire in Greek.
The Greek term is Ρωμαική Αυτοκρατορία(ie Roman Empire) since i doubt that you will use greek characters, i actually doubt even this is represented in sth else than numbers, you are left with one choice, greeklish.
Empire in greeklish is Autokratoria which i thing sounds accurate enough(its not possible to be pronounced completely correct).
Roman in greeklish is, in this occasion, Rwmaikh, which doesnt sound good, Romaiki or Romike would sound more accurate, perhaps Romaiki is the best combination of sounding and closeness to the original.
So i suggest "Romaiki Autokratoria" (unless its possible to use greek characters of course)


I think "Romaiki Autokratoria" sounds very good ~:cool:, and gives a bit more Greek feeling to them. And Autokratoria sounds so mutch bether then empire..

-Skel-

[ScionTheWorm]

I agree, check out factions thread

Romaiki Autokratoria is a good name, as I accociate long names with large empires for some reason. The faction descriptions start to become a little outdated (change of names, or keep them?)

[Rodion Romanovich]

No, Leg and some others had a discussion about the start date, AD 880 was far more plausible, read the first and second pages.

Actually, it was in the end decided to be in 843 AD, but there was a discussion about something around 880 for a while.

To all: I think the new local, historical names are much better than the English names we've been using so far and I totally support the new names. ~D

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Crap, that means no Danelw, and no Kingdom of the Englisc.