Star Wars

[Gawain of Orkeny]

I just got back from seeing the new Star Wars. I had a private show for me my son and his friend ~:) If you like Star Wars this is by far the best. The special effects are dazziling and thats an understatement. The action is relentless. It ends where the first Star Wars begins. Dont miss this movie. But then I didnt have to tell you all that now did I? It makes me want to dig out my old vhs copy of Star wars and watch the whole series over.

[SwordsMaster]

I just got back from seeing the new Star Wars. I had a private show for me my son and his friend ~:) If you like Star Wars this is by far the best. The special effects are dazziling and thats an understatement. The action is relentless. It ends where the first Star Wars begins. Dont miss this movie. But then I didnt have to tell you all that now did I? It makes me want to dig out my old vhs copy of Star wars and watch the whole series over.


As soon as all 6 episodes are on DVD me and a few friends are going to lock ourselves up in a house with enough beer and pizza supplies to last a month and watch the whole saga in 1 session. Yeah, baby! ~D

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

I'm going in a couple of hours. I'm a huge Star Wars fan and I haven't been this excited in a long time. I really don't see how this one can fail-it has five lightsaber fights! Five!

And Gawain, I watched the original trilogy last night in preparation.

[Al Khalifah]

I'm hoping for a combination of 2 and 5.

The Star Wars saga for me:
E4: Great start 9/10
E5: The peak 10/10
E6: Quite good 7/10
E1: Poor 5/10
E2: Pretty good 8/10

[King Edward]

I loved RotJ it was just shame the ewoks ruined it. that last fight between Vader and Luke is great, the emotion, the music score, it just inspires something in me. i actually worte an English essay on Ep 6 focusing on that end sequence. i got a B!!!

Also if you read the following books you can see that the hate Luke used to battle vader has a dark influence on him in the future.....

[Lazul]

nothing beats Empire Strikes Back... the snow battle and the "IM YOUR FATHER!" thing is just so good its almost orgasmic haha.

Im gonna see Episode II in about 8 hours, im hoping its more of ESB in that movie, more darkness and more serius acting.

And... i keep dreaming of seeing Darth Vader driving his lightsaber through Jar Jar. If that happens this movie will score 10 points!

:jumping:

[lancelot]

I saw it at 12.30 this morning...

It ROCKS!!!! This is the film you wanted Episode 1 (or Episode-Snore as I call it) to be.

Some cheesy dialog here and there but nothing too bad.

All in all, George has finally made some amends. Loads of action, loads of lightsabers!

A solid 8/10 (given that on a star wars scale, ESB was a 10 and Ep1 was a 3)

[Drisos]

GAH!

star wars ***!

[Steppe Merc]

Gonna go right after school. And I'll kill any of the bastards in my school that went at midnight if they tell me anythign about it... ~;)

[Gregoshi]

I'm dyin'. I had plans to see the 12:01am show this morning, but my plans just fell apart Wednesday evening. I don't think I'll get to see it until Sunday now. Starting with the first Star Wars in 1977, I've always seen them on the first day. I sense the Dark Side is at work here ...

[AggonyKing]

I'm going to see it tomorrow :bow:

[frogbeastegg]

I'm waiting for the DVD, as usual. Same for Kingdom of Heaven. :taps fingers on desk: Gah! At least it doesn't take a year for the films to make it to purchaseable release any more. :drums fingers some more: Only 4 months or so to go ...

[Gregoshi]

froggy, some movies were meant to be seen on the big screen - the Star Wars movies are in that category.

[AggonyKing]

froggy, some movies were meant to be seen on the big screen - the Star Wars movies are in that category.
yes, but with home theater systems and big screen Tv's there's no need to pay 10 bucks anymore at the theater anymore ~;)

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

It's great-everything I hope it would be. I won't say anymore for fear of spoilers.

I'm actually feeling quite sad now though-it's the end of an era. No more films.

[frogbeastegg]

froggy, some movies were meant to be seen on the big screen - the Star Wars movies are in that category.
I'd like to, but I've got good hearing, something which does not go with cinemas in my experience. It's so loud it is literally painful for me. :shivers: It's like a 2 1/2 hour torture session, for which I pay an extortionate ticket price and spend a lot of time travelling for. That's before you even add in the brats who kick your seat, and the Tall Person(TM) who always sits in front of me and blocks my view.

I get to watch films on a small TV instead! Weeee! Yay! They look great, with the edges cut off. Encountering loads of spoilers before getting to see each film is really good for the atmosphere too! And the waiting has really helped boost my patience to Jedi levels :help: ~:mecry:

[Gawain of Orkeny]

I'd like to, but I've got good hearing, something which does not go with cinemas in my experience. It's so loud it is literally painful for me. :shivers: It's like a 2 1/2 hour torture session, for which I pay an extortionate ticket price and spend a lot of time travelling for. That's before you even add in the brats who kick your seat, and the Tall Person(TM) who always sits in front of me and blocks my view.

Did you ever think of asking them to turn down the volume? How about you just wait a month or so until the crowds die down or go to an early or late show? This movie must be seen on the big screen to be appricated properly. Its a pity though that theatres have become what they are today. In the old days you would be thrown out for many of the things that occur there today . Remember when the ushers actually stayed in the theater and kept order?

[Togakure]

Ear plugs might be a good option. You can get kinds used by hunters and target shooters that don't dull the audio spectrum as much as stuffing cotton in your ears.

Gawaine's suggestion about waiting until the crowds die down is a good one--that is what I usually do to avoid the rude kids and tall folks (for their sake--I'm a very assertive ogredaemon when it comes to enjoying a film for which I've paid good money to see).

Big screens and surround sound do make for quite an impressive experience which I feel is far and away more impacting than a television (even a big tele). I saw the second Matrix film at an IMAX theater. WOW!!!! I was totally blown away by it. The tickets cost $15 and were worth every penny. In many scenes I felt as if I was in the middle of the action, not just sitting and watching it. It was indeed very loud, but I am a former rock musician who had 1500 watts of Yamaha 4115s and floor monitors blasting in my face 6 nights a week for over 5 years, so I am a bit used to it, even after all this time.

To each their own, but there may be ways to enjoy the big screen difference and sidestep the annoyances that tend to come with it. Not all films are so much better on a big screen--but the ones with intense visual effects and panoramic landscapes definitely are, imo.

[Byzantine Prince]

Why do you guys like Star Wars?
I really don't get it. ~:confused:

[Gawain of Orkeny]

To each their own, but there may be ways to enjoy the big screen difference and sidestep the annoyances that tend to come with it. Not all films are so much better on a big screen--but the ones with intense visual effects and panoramic landscapes definitely are, imo.

Exactamundo. If there was ever a film that was made to be seem on the big screen this is it. Nothing comes close as far as intense visual effects and panoramic landscapes are concerned. Bye the way have any of you ever gone to a movie in the old cinerama format. That was the most amazing technology ever in movies. It had 3 screens that wrapped around you and put you in the middle of the action. Around the world in 80 days and Grand Prix were two movies made in this format.

Heres a LINK (http://www.cineramaadventure.com/)

[SwordsMaster]

It's great-everything I hope it would be. I won't say anymore for fear of spoilers.

I'm actually feeling quite sad now though-it's the end of an era. No more films.


But, you can go watch it again. And then there will be DVD with director's cut and another 1h+ film material, etc...

[Craterus]

I think he means that there will be no more films to look forward to. The story has been written and finished, you can't wonder what will happen next anymore, because it's over.

Haven't seen it yet, I tihnk I'm going tomorrow or Saturday night.

[Lazul]

after this... I have no faith in Lucas. Episode III was a dissapointment.
Sure, lots of action, explosions and weak oneliners... kinda fun to watch.

BUT, it is no where near the first 3 movies!

[Gregoshi]

I find your lack of faith disturbing Commander Lazul.


squeezes Lazul's neck from across the internet with thumb and finger ...

~:joker:

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Did anyone else expect Anakin to exclaim 'What have you done to my voice?!' after they put the mask on?

[SwordsMaster]

I think he means that there will be no more films to look forward to. The story has been written and finished, you can't wonder what will happen next anymore, because it's over.

Haven't seen it yet, I tihnk I'm going tomorrow or Saturday night.


But WE can do a new one!! ~:cool:

Episode VII and VIII. In 10 years time when George Lucas gets bored of producing Colin Farrells and Tom Cruises and Halle Berrys and romantic comedies and having the same characters appearing in the posters over and over again he´ll put his team to work and write another sequel or prequel or pre-prequel or a theatre play or something, and Bang! BKS is excited again about walking around with a rubber Jar-Jar Binks Head tied to his belt and a lightsaber. ~D

Because in 10 years I´ll create a real lightsaber and THEN conquer the world MWAHAHAHA!! :charge: :knight:

P.S. Sorry about the outburst of megalomaniacy. I had too much orange juice... :dizzy2:

[ichi]

I think he means that there will be no more films to look forward to. The story has been written and finished, you can't wonder what will happen next anymore, because it's over.

Thousands of franchises and spin-offs

Star Wars vs Star Trek
Chewbacca vs Freddy vs Jason
Star Wars: Voyager
Meet The Skywalkers
WWF: Jedi Cage Match
Star Wars on Ice
Survivor: Naboo
Empirial Puppet Theater

and of course

Jedi Total War

ichi :bow:

[Byzantine Prince]

Chewbacca vs Freddy vs Jason

:laugh:

[Aurelian]

I went to the 8:30 (am) show this morning. I'm sorry to say that Episode III didn't quite work for me. I think part of the problem might have been that some of the early reviews I saw went on and on about how Episode III was the best movie in the second trilogy. Unfortunately, all the same Lucas-problems were still there. The dialogue was frickin' AWFUL! Real dialogue:

Anakin: “You’re so beautiful.”
Padme: “That’s only because I’m so in love.”
Anakin: “No, it’s because I’m so in love with you.”

Jeebus! Also, Anakin and Padme's acting isn't much better than the last go around. It's strange that in other movies both of those actors seem to be able to give reasonably decent performances, but their chemistry, Lucas' dialogue, or just something, makes them seem completely unbelievable here.

Senator Palpatine actually gives a pretty good performance... and Obi Wan isn't bad either. Unfortunately, at a certain point in the movie Palpatine transforms into the much more hammy "Emperor"... who has serious voice modulation problems and does a lot of cackling. Still, Ian McDiarmid's performance is the acting highlight of the movie.

The action is reasonably good, but to be truthful, there wasn't a REALLY compelling fight scene in the movie. Despite being somewhat crappy, Episode I had the Darth Maul lightsaber battle, and Episode II had the fight with Count Dooku. Both were pretty damn cool. Episode III has a lot more lightsabery action than any of the other Star Wars films, but perhaps there was a little bit of overkill (or fatigue on my part) because none of the fights really stood out.

WARNING - SPOILER IN FOLLOWING PARAGRAPH
Actually, one of the weirdest lines in the movie occurs during the final Anakin/Obi Wan showdown. After quite a bit of fighting over a wide variety of surfaces, beams, and footing conditions, Obi Wan ends up on an embankment overlooking Anakin and declares something to the effect of: "It's over Anakin. I have the high ground." Anakin attempts to leap to the attack anyway, and Obi Wan proceeds to make him his bitch (in a figurative sense). Game over. Personally, I thought this was an extremely lame way to end their fight. Are we supposed to believe that having the "high ground" in a lightsaber battle makes you somehow invulnerable? After all, we've seen quite a few leaping/hopping attacks between lightsaberists. Obi Wan's fingernail spring finishing move over Darth Maul's head in Episode I comes to mind. It would have been much more satisfying to show Obi Wan being overpowered by his hyper-competent padawan (who has a lot of midichlorians, after all ~D), and then saving his ass with a typically Obi-Wanian 'clever plan'. It would have been more in character, and would have provided a more satisfying conclusion to the fight. Oh, well.

On the subject of music, the John Williams score seemed fine. It used a lot of the themes that were developed over the course of the series. Unfortunately, there wasn't a new standout theme. There was no new "Imperial March" or "Duel of the Fates".

Well, I won't go on any more. As you can tell, I was underwhelmed by Episode III. I'm sure that if I see the movie again, I'll probably like it better than I did during the first viewing. That was my experience with Episodes I & II. Normally, after I get over the bad choices Lucas makes, I'm able to go back and watch the movies for the high points. My brain seems to be able to repress things like Jar-Jar after a while. Still, I would recommend that anyone who goes to see Episode III not go into it with hopes that are too high. It's probably better to expect something similar to Episode I & II because a lot of the things that were grievous about those movies are still present in Episode III.

[frogbeastegg]

Did you ever think of asking them to turn down the volume? How about you just wait a month or so until the crowds die down or go to an early or late show?
It's a 20 screen UCI, the only cinema I can get to, and it has no real competition in the city. They would laugh me out of the building, and the person behind the counter would stare at me like a stunned cow for a while before even managing to do that. They are not what I would call a people company.


Ear plugs might be a good option. You can get kinds used by hunters and target shooters that don't dull the audio spectrum as much as stuffing cotton in your ears.
Hmm, possible, but I'm not sure I could pluck up the nerve to try it. If they don't work sufficiently, ouch. The last film I saw was Episode I, back when it was new. It was so loud I couldn't tell what any of the characters were saying; the speech had gone to the point of coming across like rumbling. Except squeaky Jarjar. I'm not sure even hunting earplugs could cut that down sufficiently.



Anakin: “You’re so beautiful.”
Padme: “That’s only because I’m so in love.”
Anakin: “No, it’s because I’m so in love with you.”
:inquisitive: :uhoh2: :stars: That is bad. :yes:

[nokhor]

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i've seen it twice now and i thought it was significantly better than the previous 2 episodes. i don't know how to compare it to the original trilogy yet though. that will take some time. the new trilogy has always been good with the action scenes and crappy with the romantic ones, so i knew that anaking/padme wouldn't all of a sudden turn into shakespeare's romeo and juliet on screen. they also put in a lot of the miscellaneous stuff that i didn't think they would cover like the beginnings of luke and leia and how they get to their adoptive homes, the 3PO/Vader relationship, why the good dead jedi get that blue nimbus around them and communicate with the living etc. the one thing i didn't like, though i will be the first to admit is cool, is the duel between palpatine and yoda. i thought it was very out of character for the sith lord to engage in physical violence. he always redirects the energys of others to wage his battles for him. he uses his apprentices, maul, dooku, vader to represent the visible manifestation of the sith, and he uses dupes and decoys like the trade federation, separatists, senate to wage his wars. the only time we had previously seen him actually fight was when he was attacking an obviously weakened luke on the second death star so him not being prepared for someone else to fight his battle with yoda seems false to me. but again i can see the pressure to have the ultimate good guy fight the ultimate bad guy.

[Steppe Merc]

Easily better than the other prequels. I was blown away. I really enjoyed it. Frankly, I almost cried... well, y'all can probably figure out where, don't wanna ruin it for anyone else...
Acting was deffinetly better. Natalie Portman's part I didn't like that much, pretty much just whing and crying.
But I loved the action, and the story line was impressive, and I loved the fact he finally didn't tone it down to make it PG.
And Nokhor, he didn't have a choice. He tried to run, remember? But Yoda wouldn't let him. And I think that Yoda could have destroyed him, but he realized he needed to live to continue the Jedi.


Did anyone else expect Anakin to exclaim 'What have you done to my voice?!' after they put the mask on?
Or "Why the hell are my legs so damn long? ~D "

Again, I think the critisim is unwarranted. This was deffiently up there with the originals. Not sure how it will rank, need to see it again a few times, then watch them all back to back. But it was on the same playing field, IMHO.

[ichi]

With the new Star Wars movie out, one radio station put out a method for you to figure out your Star Wars name.

First name
1. Take the first 2 letters of your first name.
2. Add the first 3 letters of your last name

Last Name
1. Take the first 2 letters of your mothers maiden name.

2. Add the first 3 letters of the town you were born in

Star Wars Honorific Name
1. Take the last 3 letters of your last name and reverse them.

2. Add the first 3 letters of make or model of your first car.

3. Add an 'of'

4. tack on the name of the last medication you took.

Sincerely,

Erall Jopre of Lledartum

[LittleGrizzly]

Satho Lehgol of cannibas (or paracetamol if it had to be taken for medical purposes)

[SwordsMaster]

Antor Luzap of Sersea at your service.

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Rowil Wocar of Smamae.

I like that, rather wookie-ish.

[Gregoshi]

Grbre Gipot of Loratadine ... argh! I'm a Ewok!! Glub glub!

[Steppe Merc]

Kelin Pusom Nedcir of Tylenol, at your service. :bow:

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Kelin Pusom Nedcir of Tylenol, at your service. :bow:

You'd think they'd have a more advanced pain killer, wouldn't you?

[kiwitt]

I'll see it. Just wait for the crowds to die down a bit. There is a Star Wars TV series coming. Not sure which era, but I think it is after the RotJ

[Togakure]

Joshe Chizam, Nadmat of Viagra. Why should you flee? Because I'm squeezing my sexual detonator ... :dizzy2:.

Actually, I am the Nadmat of Paxil :embarassed: ... just needed a laugh. ~:handball:

[Voigtkampf]

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GAH! I ignored this thread, not wanting someone to slip off and give away any crucial info (what the hell, we all knew what would happen anyway ~D) before I saw the movie yesterday.


Frankly, I was gravely disappointed.

Before I go on, I would like to say that I am a Star Wars fan, a great one. I saw the old parts hundreds of times (I kid you not), I even used to run them on my TV as I was doing something else like cleaning up the house or eating. I believe I could recite 95% of the dialogues of New Hope, ESB and ROTJ without any problem. I’ve read dozens and dozens of books on Star Wars. When I imitate Vader’s and Emperor’s voice, people’s jaws just drop down in amazement.


The good thing was that it was darker than the previous ones. Bad things? Dozens of them!

First of all, the Palpatine vs Vindu fight: Palpatine begging and squealing for mercy “pleaaaaze, don’t kill meeee, I’m weeeek…!!!” Damn it, even if he wanted only to move Anakin to his side, that part was downright pathetic. It is not the vile, cruel and merciless Emperor I knew from old parts, even considering the fact that he was going to die.

Second: Again, full of cheesy dialogues. Both romantic ones and Jedi vs Sith ones. I also hate when they slide on the old glorious lines like “come with me, and we will rule the galaxy together”.

Third: Acting. Even though Anakin’s acting has gravely improved itself, Natalie’s quality went down the hill big time, she didn’t bring over her part well. She was mostly just a nuisance, a pregnant woman sitting around the house, crying and sniffing. OMG…

Fourth: Special effects. Another special effects orgy. You don’t know where to look, you are overwhelmed with thousands of troopers and millions of laser beams, and I mean that in a negative way.

Fifth: Editing. I went mad over this one. Lucas doesn’t know titty twist from directing, as well as from editing, where he substantially gets involved. The movie suffers so from unbounded scenes with bad transitions, changing the paste with absolutely no feeling of timing. The gravest objection I have for the movie.

Obi-wan: Give up, I’m on high ground? Omg…

Vader raging after he hears about Padme’s death? Laughable, not in the least impressive.


All in all, special effects orgy just like the previous two, IMHO of course. As I went out, I heard the kids saying how stupid the movie was. I was shocked. I remembered as I went to the movies when they brought out the old parts in new, edited edition; there were massive kids there, too, and they all liked it and laughed and screamed in joy after the movie. Worlds apart from the old and new episodes. I went to see ROTJ when it was re-run in the cinema three times, I won’t go to see the Revenge (as I didn’t go to see the episodes one and two) again in the cinema. Of course, I’ll get it on DVD, but for me it is and will stay a mediocre movie.

There was one scene though that carved itself in my memory, better than anything else. Anakin tells Vindu that Palpatine is the Sith Lord, and they go to get him. Anakin wanders alone in the deserted Jedi council, Padme wanders restlessly in her apartment and gazes throughout the window towards the Jedi temple in the distance. Anakin hears the voice of Palpatine in his thoughts “If I die, no one will be able to save her.” There is music, so unlike William’s score (which is, btw, as mediocre as the rest of the movie), a woman singing in Lisa Gerard fashion, a slow, sad, but strong tune, and that moment is so exquisite and special that it sticks out in the movie like a pearl in the mud. Of course, the very ending of the scene is spoiled by 3PO that pointlessly strolls over to Padme and stands next to her, his joints wheeling and squealing. WTF!?!

It was like Lucas took a nap and someone, Ridley Scott perhaps, sneaked in and did that scene.

Sorry for the rant, but the disappointment still sits deep. Revenge of the Sith was my last hope (hahaha, the New Hope will come along, lol) for a good new movie on Star Wars. I’m off to put some part in my DVD.

[Steppe Merc]

I disagree. As for kids, trust me, not all of them like it, but a bunch do. A lot of people (well I probably wouldn't be considered "kid", but whatever) hate Star Wars, cause they don't get the story. That would probably be those kids you heard.
You are intitled to your opinon, but this redeamed Lucas for me. I won't forget or forgive him for the Phatom and Clones, but this deffinetly blew the socks off of those. Could it have been better? Sure, what movie can't be?
If anything, I get caught up over details that screw up what the books made. Not as much on this one, but still. How can clones, who kick ass, turn into sucky stormtroops? Sure, most of them would be dead at the rapid rate they age, but I don't get how the hell the quality fell that much. Also, Ithought that at least Cody (a Clone Commander) wouldn't try and kill his friend Obi, but I guess that made it all the more powerful (at least to me, since I knew that they hade served together on a bunch of campaigns...).

[xemitg]

Alright I saw star wars on Thursday. It was a disappointment, but I’m used to being disappointed by Lucas by now. It wasn't bad except for the constant use of the words "baby and babies." I couldn't stand it. They could have said "children” or "offspring." That and Darth Vader’s "NOOOOOO” ruined it too. Besides that it wasn't bad. Some directors bring the best out of the actors while other brings the crap out of good actors. In this film Lucas really brought out the worst in most of those characters.

[ah_dut]

I agree eith VK in many ways...especially the dialogue, I could write a less cheesy dialogue for goodness sake

[Lazul]

SPOOOOOOOILER!!

WTF was up with Darth Vaders; "NOOOOoooooooOOOooooo" Scene?

First of all, the whole thing is "Nooooooo!!" scenes can never be done is such a way it doesnt make you anoyed.
Having Darth (the badass Sith) Vader, making a NOOOOoooo scene is stupid.
And even tho Lucas is a crappy director I never thought he would make such a Huuuuge misstake to add such a dumbass scene!!! aaaaarrrrghghhh!! :furious3:

[econ21]

***MORE SPOILERS***

A very good film - I liked it. I like it better than the original Star Wars, although not its not up to the heights of ESB. The best feature of the film for me was the emotion it stirred and the epic, tragic atmosphere. The original Star Wars was really little more than a Flash Gordon type science fantasy adventure - if the heroes got vaporised, I am not sure any one cared [and anyway, the nature of that kind of romp was that they would not get vaporised]. This one moved me, although no doubt in part because of the groundwork done by the other five films. The pivotal scenes were around Jedi Temple and the wiping out of the Jedi. There was something biblical - a massacre of the innocents, a moment of the cross - in the horror of those sequences. When Annakin meets the younglings and lights up his sabre, you feel as Obi Wan Kenobi or Amidala would feel.

The politics were quite nicely done - the Republic vs the Jedi Council machinations provided a plausible background to Annakin's fall and the creation of the Empire. Until his naff face change, Palapatine was one of the most intriguing character's in the three recent films, perhaps because he was so lightly sketched. The instantaneous "betrayal" of the clone troopers was also well done and, unlike Palapatine's act, came a little out of left field. But the psychology was awful - why Annakin is seduced to the dark side is wholely incredible (he had a bad dream). However, to me, that's forgivable - perhaps it is one feature of evil, that it must be somehow incomprehensible to ordinary people. If we can understand it, we tend not to call it evil.

Very good culmination to the six films, infinitely superior to first attempt to wrap up the story - the abysmal Return of the Jedi.

[ah_dut]

Simon, you must admit some of the dialogue was truly appaling

[econ21]

Simon, you must admit some of the dialogue was truly appaling

SimonAppleton as scripted by George Lucas; "No, the dialogue was not appalling. From my point of view, criticising the dialogue is truly appalling".

Ah_dut as scripted by George Lucas: "But do you tolerate the dialogue because you are so in love with Episode III?"

SimonAppleton as scripted by George Lucas: "No, it is because the dialogue is tolerable that I am so in love with Episode IIII"



[Out of character]Ah, yes, your point cannot be denied, Ah_dut. :bow:

[Steppe Merc]

~D
Well, I agree with you Simon, though I did like Jedi. It was very good. Just saw it the second time today, and was still in awe. My entire family liked it. My one little bro (10) is a big Star Wars fan, and he really liked it. The rest of my family was also in awe, including my Dad who thought it was incredible. (He was disapointed by the other prequels...)
It felt what my parents probably felt when seeing Han turned into carbonite. Dialogue was a bit shakey at times, but the originals had odd parts as well.

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Surely incredibly cheesy dialogue is an integral part of the Star Wars experience? The dialogue in the original trilogy was...interesting, to say the least.

[Cygnus X-1]

But the original trilogy's actors had a charm that made those lines a lot more bearable. Even amusing.

The actors of the PT never really had any charm whatsoever. So the cheesy dialogue just didn't seem to fit. Atleast not for me...

[NagatsukaShumi]

SPOILERS

I liked it, thought it was very good and I have been waiting for the Anakin/Obi-Wan Fight Round 1 for a long time now, mostly because I wanted to see Obi-Wan actually win the fight ~D

The whole you so beautiful line still makes me cringe in some sort of nausiating agony but for the most part I felt some lines were ok.

"Hello there" when Obi-Wan drops in on Grievous and his huge army of robotic chums was humourous enough, "Thats ten times I've saved you now", "No, nine, that time on (I forget, some planet), it doesn't count" was good. "You were the chosen one! You were meant to destroy the Sith not join them! You were my brother! I loved you!" That line hit me, you truly feel sorry for Obi-Wan as he watches his former padawan and friend burn to a chrispy textures on the side of the lava flow on Mustafar. As for the whole high ground thing, doesn't bother me, I just accept it as Obi-Wan trying to end it without having to kill his old friend, some compasion. The infamous "beautiful" lines are all I remember as been truly terrible.

Special effects as a bad thing? Not in my opinion, I think they work very well here. The opening sequence with the battle over Coruscant, magical. The lava flowing a spitting behind Obi-Wan and Anakin as they clash looked fantastic and really added to the scene.

The storyline I thought was extremely good, and although it had some slightly dodgy area's it is certainly up there with the originals and definately surpasses ROTJ and NH, ESB though is another story, thats classic, but ROTS is certainly challenging it for me. I thought one weak area was how easily the Senate accepted that the Jedi had "rebelled" against them, stupid really. Also, I didn't like how Palpatine was able to just cut down three Jedi masters and somehow Mace Windu was an exception to this. sure hes a bigger character story wise, but the others should have been a bit more challenging. I was also pleased that Plo Koon was in it, though I wish he hadn't been shot down in that Jedi Starfighter, I love Plo Koon! It was fitting to show most of the council been removed though, rather than just a load of random Jedi's. I can also happily say that, when Windu told Anakin to stay at the Jedi Temple and wait, then he would gain his trust that, even though I knew otherwise, I was willing Anakin to just stay and not go to Palpatine's office, it takes alot to make me genuinelly care about things like that!

Acting, McGregor I thought played his part well, Anakin was a major improvment over AOTC, Padme however, god she makes me want to kill myself. Stop been all annoying because you didn't protect yourself against an input of the darkside you stupid woman, crying and whining all day long about everything. Maybe I've just got bad memories from the stupid love story of AOTC. Palpatine shines in this one though, very cold and chilling, but in a very clever and sadistic way.

All in all, I liked ROTS and I am very sad to know that this truly is the end of Star Wars more than likely :cry:

[Steppe Merc]

About the Senate: they were likely all pawns of Palpatine. Of course not all were, but they would have been killed. In addition, he can excert his will using the force over people.
About the Jedi, they did die far to easily, for me especially the ones who were betrayed by the clones. You'd think they'd go down with a pile of clone bodies around them, not without killing even one.
About Mace, he is the best lightsaber fighter, which is why he survived. Though I wish the other three had put up a bit more fight.

[Mongoose]

"Quote:
Anakin: “You’re so beautiful.”
Padme: “That’s only because I’m so in love.”
Anakin: “No, it’s because I’m so in love with you.”

That is bad."

IMHO, that's the first half of episode three in a nut shell :dizzy2:

[ichi]

Actually, I am the Nadmat of Paxil

Nice ~:cheers:


Satho Lehgol of cannibas


Very nice ~:cheers:

ichi :bow:

[Voigtkampf]

***MORE SPOILERS***



The best feature of the film for me was the emotion it stirred and the epic, tragic atmosphere.

Oh, yes, if anything, this movie was full of tragic.



The original Star Wars was really little more than a Flash Gordon type science fantasy adventure - if the heroes got vaporised, I am not sure any one cared [and anyway, the nature of that kind of romp was that they would not get vaporised].

Padme dies? Yawn, omg, she has “lost her will to live”. Yeah, right. The scene is of moderate quality, at the best. I got far more emotions from the moment when Darth Maul strikes down Qui-Gon on Naboo.

Windu dies? GAH, I never liked that character one bit, surprisingly, since Samuel is one of my favorite actors. When he got fried, I just thought “Ezekiel, meet the Lord” and had to hold back not to laugh out loudly.

The entire killing of the Jedi knights by clone troopers was as lame as it was unimpressive. Haven’t shed a tear for neither of them.

Can’t remember who else died, but since I can’t, it probably wasn’t worth remembering.

ROTJ had infinitely better parts than ROTS, including the dieing scenes. Man, I hate those little furballs ~D, the Ewoks, but that scene where two of them are running, there’s an explosion and they fall, one rises and tries to pull the other only to understand that the other is dead; then it sits down to the ground and gives that slight moan of deep sorrow, then touches again the dead Ewok. Damn, that scene lasting fifteen seconds had more effect than all the dieing scenes in ROTS together.

But the masterpiece in ROTJ is the dieing scene of Lord Darth Vader. Bring it back before your inner eye.

“You got to come with me! I’m not gonna leave you here, I’ve got to save you!”

“I already have…Luke… You already… have…

Tell your sister… You were right about me… Tell her… You were right…”

“Father…” Luke helplessly replies, as Vader slowly drops back to the shuttle ramp “ I won’t leave you…!”

But it is too late. Darth Vader, once known as Anakin Skywalker, the last Lord of the Sith and finally the redeemed Chosen One, is gone.

Luke touches the battered black armor of his father, gently stroking it with tears in his eyes and bows his head in sorrow, while in backgrounds the Imperial March theme is being played, but this time gently, on some string instrument, and much slower than ever before, like a light that slowly goes out.

Incredible.


Very good culmination to the six films, infinitely superior to first attempt to wrap up the story - the abysmal Return of the Jedi.

Personally, I’m glad for all that have enjoyed the movie better than the previous parts (ANH, ESB and ROTJ), because they got more than they already have, but I got far less of magic I’ve had before.

[Suraknar]

This is a Movie that any serious SW fan would not miss at the theater.

It does tie many loose ends and brings the sence of completion to the overal Storry.

However, personally, I think it lacks in comparison to the original Trilogy (ep 4,5,6) in two key areas.

First of all the soundtrack, is not engaging, and does not express the intense moments.

Second the degree of Drama that it should encompass, is only reserved for the last 30 minutes, Padme actually come through with her expression of dissapointment and loss of any wish to live any longer.

Although, as said in previous threads, the Visuals are of outmost quality, and there is action from begining to end, it comes out dry because of the above two points. It is nice to see but its not felt.

Computer Graphics have made it possible for many things to be brought on screen, however it is maybe due to the fact that some things ar easyer to make that we do not get the emotions of people working with imperfect tools and strive to express perfection out of their work, like we did with teh Original series.

Last, I found the Storry to be rushed too much, at the begining of the movie we are informed that Padme is pregnant, 2 hours later she gives birth to the twins, but we are left with the sence that only a few days have passed and that even thanks to a couple of night scenes.

We all applauded of cource (I went to the pemiere) out of the sence of completion, but my feelings about the movie are mixed at best. The Movie is OK, not astonishing.

In my humble opinion.

[Kraxis]

Hmmm... Seems there is a bit of flak. Better bring in the big carpet of shade us all. ~:cool:

Anyway a lot of SPOILERS!

I didn't like the dialogue on the balcony between Anakin and Padmé either, but the fact is that plenty people talk like that. Damn even I and my GF talk like that once in a while. It is hard not believe that the relationship wouldn't get a kick upwards after the announcement of the coming pregnancy.

Actually I was kind of hurt by the way the clonetroopers turned on the jedi, it seemed truly unfair. They had loyally followed them into battle a hundred times, now some genetic alteration of them forced them to kill the jedi. Quite bright of Palpatine to get Dooku to get that trigger in them in the first place.
Remember it was Dooku who created the clonearmy, I can't see why the clonetroopers couldn't have some buried trigger in them since it was a Sith who made the preperations for them.
At least now I know why Republic Commando ends where it does...

The Padmé-Anakin last dialogue I found to be right on spot. What was she supposed to do? She finally saw what was going on, the veil over her eyes was lifted to the new nature of Anakin. He even tried to strangle her dammit. How do you think that is going to affect her mentally? Her heart was broken in more than one way (not physically though), but she could not live with her love being a Sith. Makes sense to me, I wouldn't be terribly happy if my GF turned out to be a person who had just killed every cop in my country, and who was happy about it, and then tried to kill me because I didn't like it. I would be devastated! Take my life, I doubt, but hey it is a movie. The only true bad stuff about it is that Leia actually remembers her true mother (she knows she is adopted), now that is some impressive memory! Check out ROTJ for it.

I agree that the fight with Windu is a bit off the track. Anakin should not have cut off his arm, rather he should have parried his strike, just as he does with Luke later on (claiming that Palpatine should still face the courts). Then those two could have had a fight where Anakin eventually killed him. Then he could realize that what he actually wanted was the power to stop people from dying (which has to be a lie from Palpatine), rather than justice.
Btw, did you notice the smirk on Palpatine's face when he told the last part of the story of that Wise Sith? Guess who the apprentice was.

That high ground comment Obi-Wan makes is perhaps a bit thin as they actually fought on the beam when the entire structure fell into the lava. That was up and down fighting in the extreme, but then again in such a case it is not an advantage of being low.
Anyway I saw the comment on Obi-Wan dealing with this with Darth Maul. I can only say, EXACTLY! He knew what would come, Darth Maul didn't expect it (though it was still rather cheesy). Obi-Wan had also done it himself, he had the experience with this, he would not get caught flatfooted. So naturally a jump to get over him would fail. I agree it was a rather anti-climatic end to the fight, but it was not wrong. Rather it was the case of Obi-Wan and Darth Maul that was wrong.

I was a little let down in the beginning. The battle would have been so great had we only more of it! Ships pounding each other into spacedust and so on. Ahhh the stuff of legends!
But my point is the fighters. Neither Anakin nor Obi-Wan seemed to have the troubled expression or the jerking motions in the fighters as the pilots of ANH. Also I had hoped for a return of the models. I mean who can forget those beautiful turning X-Wings or Tie-Fighters as they enter combat. That was lost.
But at least we could see the Jedi Fighters had a lot in common with the Ties while those Clonefighters were the forerunners of Y-Wings and X-Wings (I had expected and hoped for Z-95 Headhunters).

And Yoda... I had hoped for more resistance from the Imperial Guards than a mere handshake from Yoda.

All in all it really did the whole story justice. And I loved every second of it.

[tibilicus]

SAW THIS THE OTHER DAY AND I CAN TELL YOU NOW ITS A LOT BETTER THAN THE FIRST 2. i THOUGHT IT WAS SLIGHTLY RUSHED TOWARDS THE END THOUGH LIKE HE SAID HE COULD SUMON HIS OLD MASTER QUI GON JIN. IT MIGHT OF BEEN NICE TO SEE THE GUY ONCE AGAIN. AND SURLEY IT WOULD OF TAKEN A BIT MORE THAN A FEW BLASTS FROM A GUN TO KILL THE JEDIS RIGHT? ANYWAY ALL IN ALL A GOOD FILM. FAVOURITE BIT WAS WATCHING ANAKIN GETING WASTED. GOOD TIME GOOD TIMES. OH YE HOW DO I CHANGE MY LETERS TO LOWERE CASE I HAVE JUST REALISED I HAVE BEEN TYPING IN CAPS LOCK ~:S

[Kraxis]

Heh... I just remembered, I actually dreamt about Star Wars when I got home.
In my twisted dreams there were at least some clonetroopers that didn't turn and at least some jedi that survived and they went out in those nice tough little dropships to whereever...

[nokhor]

i don't think the clone troopers had any special modifications other than to be absolutely loyal to their commander. which just happened to be palpatine. if he had told them to kill themselves or to kill him they would have done it just as easily as they turned on the jedi.

and i'm not sure that the creator of the clone army was dooku. all we know is that it was someone who claimed to be jedi master sifa-diyas who started it several years before episode II began. it could have been darth maul, could have been darth sidious, could have been sifa-diyas himself, if he was secretly a sith, and then was disposed of by maul to take his place next to sidious.

and i like the way the prophecy is fulfilled, because before kenobi cuts anakin down, kenobi says that anakin was supposed to bring balance to the force and destroy the sith which he does. he turns to the dark side and destroys the jedi then later on he turns to the light side and destroys the sith.

[Voigtkampf]

GAH, the Jedi were all idiots!

There were only two Sith left after Darth Maul dies, and there were hundreds and hundreds (thousands?) of Jedi all over the galaxy. It should have been obvious on which side of the scale you need to make order to have balance again. ~;)

[Steppe Merc]

See, I assumed Luke was the Chosen one, but yeah, it could be seen like that.

About the clone army: it was Dooku. He choose Jango (Tyrannus is his alias), and he used Sifo's name.

Kraxis, I also would have appreciated more nods towards the Expanded Universe. I'd love to see Z 95s, and Victory class Star Destroyers, and Dreadnaughts... Or best of all, a mention of the Outbound Flight Project... ~D

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

See, I assumed Luke was the Chosen one, but yeah, it could be seen like that.

About the clone army: it was Dooku. He choose Jango (Tyrannus is his alias), and he used Sifo's name.

Kraxis, I also would have appreciated more nods towards the Expanded Universe. I'd love to see Z 95s, and Victory class Star Destroyers, and Dreadnaughts... Or best of all, a mention of the Outbound Flight Project... ~D

I agree. It would have been nicei f C'baoth had appeared as a Jedi Council member in one of the prequels.

About the prophecy-It was my interpretation that Anakin WAS the chosen one, it just took a while for him to fulfill it. I mean, he does kill the Emperor...eventually.

[ah_dut]

I agree. It would have been nicei f C'baoth had appeared as a Jedi Council member in one of the prequels.

About the prophecy-It was my interpretation that Anakin WAS the chosen one, it just took a while for him to fulfill it. I mean, he does kill the Emperor...eventually.
Eventually Darth Sanctaphrax... ~;)

Anyways, I want to see more Yoda Lightsabre action ~:eek: I really did think the Yoda vs Sidious duel was totally pointless though. I know that in an EU novel Dooku speculates that a Darth Yoda would spank Sidious so hard that errr...I could kill him but still, we knew Yoda wasn't going to be strong enough. I guess any excuse for Lucas to whip out his Special Effects budget eh?

Instead he could have hired a half decent script writer ~D :duel:

[Kraxis]

No, Anakin was the Chosen One obviously. But to me it was obvious from the beginning that the 'balance' would mean the death of the Jedi more or less.
Two Siths (Vader and Palpatine) and two Jedis (Yoda and Obi-Wan/Luke).

The Z95 Headhunter was a perfect subject here. It is the direct forerunner of the X-Wing, and it is at least 30 years old. Perfect, and a brightly new fighter in this movie. It would have fitted so perfectly because of its close ties to the X-Wing, the most famous vehicle of the old movies.
The Victory class SD is too late. I think it was invented at Kuat in Imperial times, leading to the normal SD within a short time as it was realized fast that the Victory too small (though bigger than the Republic assault ships shown in the movie). But the Dreadnaught would have been good, and to some extent I think we saw it. The long slender ships with a 'waist' were quite similar in both size and looks to the Dreadnaught, but here we are talking about the Seperatist ships, which again makes it less likely.

The Outbound Flight Project would have been nice, but we must assume that it was launched somewhere between II and III and not yet destroyed, but likely to get hunted down soon by the clones.

And yes, it was Lord Tyranus, or rather Darth Tyranus (remember Darth Sidious calls Dooku that) that ordered the army on behalf of Syfo-Dias (though obviously S-D had never accepted that). So most certainly he made certain that there was a trigger in the clones from the get go. Loyalty on the scale we are talking about amounts to more or less the same. Some sort of special tampering must have been made on the clones for them to be able to tunr on their comrades in arms like that. But personally I prefer the mindaltering trigger in the clones. Remember how friendly Cody and Obi-Wan are with each other. A person that knows he can get ordered to kill him would never become his friend. Also we see no wavering clones, no regrets or anything on that magnitude. Yet we do see them care for each other and normal people, so they are far from mindless brutes. Something out of the ordinary must have taken place, and I consider it a special trigger imbedded in the cloning of them.

But Palpatine only recruits Dooku after the failure of Darth Maul. Remember there is never more than two Sith.

[Kraxis]

Eventually Darth Sanctaphrax... ~;)

Anyways, I want to see more Yoda Lightsabre action ~:eek: I really did think the Yoda vs Sidious duel was totally pointless though. I know that in an EU novel Dooku speculates that a Darth Yoda would spank Sidious so hard that errr...I could kill him but still, we knew Yoda wasn't going to be strong enough. I guess any excuse for Lucas to whip out his Special Effects budget eh?

Instead he could have hired a half decent script writer ~D :duel:

The fight is only pointless when you know the results (which we sort of shouldn't know), but for the character of Yoda the fight was absolutely pointful ~D, he had to try and stop what Palpatine had set in motion. If only for the sake of the Jedi. If the most powerful Jedi-master never confronted the Sith lord in charge, what good would he be and what chance would the Light Side have?
There is simply no reason as to why Yoda wouldn't do it.

Imagine having kids and showing them the movies some time in the future. I'm quite certain they would be surprised why Yoda didn't do anything to stop Palpatine after having wooped Dooku's rear in Episode II. "So is the Dark Side really stronger? Was that why Yoda didn't stop Palpatine? Did he know that he couldn't win?"
So I think it is unfair to go after Lucas like that. He had to create a movie that wasn't too unfluenced by the first three movies, at least not directly. He had to make it look the other way round really.

[ah_dut]

The fight is only pointless when you know the results (which we sort of shouldn't know), but for the character of Yoda the fight was absolutely pointful ~D, he had to try and stop what Palpatine had set in motion. If only for the sake of the Jedi. If the most powerful Jedi-master never confronted the Sith lord in charge, what good would he be and what chance would the Light Side have?
There is simply no reason as to why Yoda wouldn't do it.

Imagine having kids and showing them the movies some time in the future. I'm quite certain they would be surprised why Yoda didn't do anything to stop Palpatine after having wooped Dooku's rear in Episode II. "So is the Dark Side really stronger? Was that why Yoda didn't stop Palpatine? Did he know that he couldn't win?"
So I think it is unfair to go after Lucas like that. He had to create a movie that wasn't too unfluenced by the first three movies, at least not directly. He had to make it look the other way round really.
Well msot of the film was pointless ~;) I mean cut all the romance crap and leave in the action and we'll be just fine ~D

My point is that Yoda was not powerful enough to stop him. Mace was spanked really badly imo (I think Palpatine was deliberately faking when he was on the ledge as he somehow managed to pull some incredulously powerful lightning bolt out against Windu 10seconds later...) And as to another point, why didn't Yoda use a thought bomb? I know it's a sith trick but still...ahh the power of the geek ~D

[Kaiser of Arabia]

It just saddens me that a specimin like Natilie Portman has to go and die ~:( ~D
Nah I was going to see it this weekend but I sprained and possibly fractured my ankle and it's a b****-and-a-half to move whatsoever because I cant walk and Im not good with crutches (its prob only sprained so I'll be able to walk in a few days with the help of my good buddy Tylenol and Codene) so I gotta wait till mem-day weekend. So yeah. It looks great though.
I'm hoping though that you get to see all the jedi kiddies get sliced up by Anakin. They were so damn annoying in the 2nd one.

[ah_dut]

no slicing them up man...it's implied

[Kraxis]

Damn you are sick!
That has got to be the most "NOOO... You didn't just do that Anakin" part of the entire movie. I actually expected them to get either gunned down or Palpatine to tell Anakin that he would transfer them to somewhere and do something with them, then kill them when he left.
The simple fact that it is Anakin that does it before he is consumed by the Dark Side implies that Lucas really wanted the movie to be a sad spectacle, and not in a technical way.

And the romance? Well, it is not great, but those two children that comes from it are rather important, so what to do without it? And actually it is not that bad, it is just that many people have become quite cynical, and I know a fair share that just loves to hate something in this latest movie, for the sake of hating it. The romance isn't great, but it is far from bad enough to deserve the flak it gets. The romance between Han and Leia isn't exactly superb either but have anybody ever seen anybody complain about it?
So just accept that there are part of every movie that won't be great.

Thought-bomb? Yup! Yoda would just pull out a special maneuver he had never shown himself capable of before, and not even implied to Luke that either he or Luke could do. Stick to films when discussing them, the EU is useable as mentioned earlier, but it is also very much a sidelined issue (remember the Death Star plans? Where was the Maw Installation? And now again).

Mace might indeed have been defeated, we will never know. I think Palpatine was indeed in trouble as his lightning doubled back on him, and we know that is not pleasant to even very strong Jedis (Luke and Anakin twice, Luke nearly died from a similar dosis). What I think Palpatine was doing was that he was overplaying his situation, playing the weak and the one needing protection from the big bad Mace Windu. But he did need the help, he was just not as weak as he let Anakin think he was and thus easily blasted Mace when he couldn't defend himself.
So if Mace could perhaps defeat Palpatine then Yoda could too and thus we have the basis for Yoda's intervention.

[Steppe Merc]

I think that Yoda could have beaten him with Obi's help. Palpatine himself tried to run away from Yoda, and to me it seemed very close. He also seemed to always reflect back the attacks of Palpatine against him, other than force push. That seems a bit... limited, but then again it is the Light Side...

On a slightly different note, what did you guys think of the ghost thingy with Qui Gon? I liked that they mentioned it, but how did Anakin find it out? Or did he succeed with his search of immorality, and do it then? Or is it a way of saying the only way to be truly imortal is to be good, and that even if you can live forever when you're bad, it's not worth it?
I also read an interview with Lucas, and he mentions the whole immaculate conception thing. He said that it was open to the audience of whether it was Darth Plagus who created him, or whether it was the Force itself. Any other hard core fans, what do you think? :book:

[Kraxis]

I doubt Darth Plagus did it... He was too selfcentered to do that, and naive apparently. Also Plagus would most likely have died some years before Anakin was born. At least this confirms it to me that Plagus was indeed the master of Palpatine.

Remember this, Yoda and Obi-Wan vanished when they died, apparently they became one with the Force naturally, while Qui-Gon wasn't nearly as powerful and had to learn it.
And wasn't it Obi-Wan who had to learn to communicate with Qui-Gon? Indicating that Luke is indeed extremely talented as he doesn't need to learn to communicate with them, he just can, while Leia can't (it has also been confirmed she isn't nearly as good as Luke).

[Proletariat]

I have a quick OT question and I think this is probably the right thread for it.


What race is Yoda? I always thought he was just some unique guy, but then in KOTOR there was another just like him on the Jedi Council.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

The younger pinker one was called yaddle and she is a female of the same species as yoda.

and according to starwars.com

yoda
Homeworld:
Unknown
Species:
Unknown

yaddle
Homeworld:
Unknown
Species:
Unknown

and she is roughly half the age of yoda.

Hope that helps ~D

[Proletariat]

...Aha...Thanks.

[Kraxis]

Actually doesn't she sit on the council in Episode I? I seem to remember another Yoda sitting on his right side quite far out (and thus in the line of panning camera).

[SwordsMaster]

Watched it yesterday.

I have to say it beats everything Lucas has done so far in terms of scope and even dramatic load. Also thanks God he concentrated on Anakin this time instead of filling the screen with weird supposedly funny animals (read Jar-Jar Binks). Of course is an FX show, but could you expect less? There are many stupid dialogue lines ("I have the high ground"... ~:confused: ) or strange things going on (why when Palpatine transforms into Sith fighting with Mace half his teeth disappear?) or why does Palpatine keeps laughing thrughou all of the fight with Yoda? (and what kinda lungs does one need to do that?) but I find it a very good film and Im going to watch it again on Thursday (with my friends as opposed to my gf this time ~;) ).

[nokhor]

i wished oh, how i wished that there would be a glimpse of a lieutanant or a captain thrawn somewhere in a background shot. maybe in the dvd release.

and the whole 'two and only two' power structure of the sith involves such a loss of knowledge for the sith over time. palpatine claimed that plagus knew the secret of immortality. palpatine also claimed that plagus' apprentice killed him after he had learned all that he could possibly learn from plagus. that is obviously false as the apprentice did not know the secret of immortality and sidious try to strike a deal with vader for them to study it together. so who knows how much of the sith knowledge is lost with each transfer of power.

[Kraxis]

Remember just because you have the knowledge in the Force doesn't mean you are strong enough to utilize it. That is Palpatine's problem.

Also, it is clearly stated that the Empire was already long established when Thrawn came to them. It was a boderdispute out in the Unknown Regions. The Empire is only just established now, so it is a bit hard to include him.
But we got Grand Moff Tarkin (most likely not a Grand Moff yet), that was nice enough.

[Steppe Merc]

Nokhor: Sidious was Plagus' apprentice. Lucas said so.

[econ21]

But we got Grand Moff Tarkin (most likely not a Grand Moff yet), that was nice enough.

What's this referring to? I missed any reference to Tarkin in Episode 3 - can you fill me in if there was one?

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

Right at the end, on the Imperial Cruiser/Star Destroyer bridge as Darth Vader and Emperor Palpatine overlook the construction of the Death Star, Tarkin (Governor at this stage) can be seen with them and walks off. They did a great job on the likeness - he really looked like Peter Cushing. Shame we didn't see more of him.

[tibilicus]

Nokhor: Sidious was Plagus' apprentice. Lucas said so.
Didnt Palpaltine in this film refer to Plaguses asistant killing him? So Sidious killed him? its all so clear now Palpaltine being the asistant killing him am i right?. :book:

[Ser Clegane]

What's this referring to? I missed any reference to Tarkin in Episode 3 - can you fill me in if there was one?

At the very end when Palpatine and Darth Vader are watching the construction of the Death Star from the bridge of a Star Destroyer you get a glimpse of an officer standing next to them as the camera moves away.
His name is not mentioned and he does not say anything (and actually you only see him from rather far away) - but his facial features clearly seem to hint at Tarkin.
I actually was surprised how much this guy looked like Peter Cushing at first glance - perhaps some CGI, which would also explain why they only showed him from a rather distant perspective.

EDIT: BKB beat me to it ~:)

[Steppe Merc]

Didnt Palpaltine in this film refer to Plaguses asistant killing him? So Sidious killed him? its all so clear now Palpaltine being the asistant killing him am i right?.
Yup. ~D Darn Sith, so confusing an lying... ~;)

[Kraxis]

I would think it is rather obvious that Plagus was Palpatine's master, when he mentions the killing of Plagus he has that sly smile that he always uses when he has done something to further his own agenda. I noticed it along my pal alongside me, but then again we tend to pick Star Wars movies apart, so I guess we are rather trained for such ques.

Btw, I think I saw Peter Cushing in the castlist... But I could be mixing him up with Peter Mayhew (back as Chewie).
But I'm certain that Tarkin was at least partially CGI rendered, for he did walk rather strange (as if the crew had had trouble keeping up with the actor) and he looked a bit non-Tarkin like in his behaviour, he simply didn't have the correct gait and I felt his mimic was a bit constrained. But all in all I loved it! A tine small connection, the sort of stuff I had hoped for. Yes Chewie was great, but that you sort of expected. Tarkin on the other hand... Also I would have loved to see a young Ozzel or Piet walking the pit or something like that. Perhaps even being in the battle in the beginning.

Btw, did anyone but me consider it a bit strange that it would take the Empire about 18 years to build the first Death Star but only about 1 year to build the larger second Death Star (although only 60% finished)... Fits very badly with the EU and the Maw Installation.

[Steppe Merc]

Btw, did anyone but me consider it a bit strange that it would take the Empire about 18 years to build the first Death Star but only about 1 year to build the larger second Death Star (although only 60% finished)... Fits very badly with the EU and the Maw Installation.
I was wondering the same thing. The only thing I could figure is that perhaps Palpatine took the first one slow, to consilidate his power, and to not threaten his new Fleet (they'd be out of a job with the Death Star, really... though it's not that practical at all).
Mabye the first one got destroyed (not likely, but...)?
Or the plans weren't completed, and they had to sort of BS a lot of it, which took time (like leaving an open reactor port...)

[Kaiser of Arabia]

At the very end when Palpatine and Darth Vader are watching the construction of the Death Star from the bridge of a Star Destroyer you get a glimpse of an officer standing next to them as the camera moves away.
His name is not mentioned and he does not say anything (and actually you only see him from rather far away) - but his facial features clearly seem to hint at Tarkin.
I actually was surprised how much this guy looked like Peter Cushing at first glance - perhaps some CGI, which would also explain why they only showed him from a rather distant perspective.

EDIT: BKB beat me to it ~:)
Really? Tarkin was DA MAN!
One of my favorite movie/eu characters...ever.
Only sw characters that beat him out have to be Vader, Ulic Qel-Droma, Exar Kun, Piett, Yoda, and Tyrannus.

[discovery1]

Any one notice the Wedge Antillies cammio? On Olgana's corvet? And maybe that was just the prototype Death Star? Only 3 ships guarded the Maw research centre, right?

That aside, I thought it could have been better. Lightsabre duels could have been better(aside from yoda vs Palpy), the space battles could have been better, the acting could have been better, and special effects poor at the end I think.

[Byzantine Prince]

The problem with Star Wars films is that they are so loaded with special effects everywhere that it makes the performances pretty bad.

Let me explain. When you have intricate sets with 100 people working all over and limited time to shoot, all that stress and anxiety will get to the actors. To add on to that there are obviously fewer takes then you would have on a normal movie, resulting in poor performances, and generally poor movie. Less SF wouldn't hurt the story at all in my opinion.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

thats why ROTJ >>>>>>All

[Steppe Merc]

Any one notice the Wedge Antillies cammio? On Olgana's corvet?
First, it's Organa. ~;)
Second, that isn't Wedge, that's Captain Antillies, an unrelated character who Vader choked at the beggining of a New Hope.
"We are a on a diplomatic mission...."

[nokhor]

i know sidious is plagus' apprentice. he hints at it not only when they are watching the space opera thingy but also later when anakin confronts him and draws out his lasersword. my beef is that sidious obviously didn't learn all he could from plagus otherwise he would already know the sith secret to prolonging life and wouldn't need to say 'hey vader, become my apprentice and together we can learn how to save your wife.'

so when sidious says, 'plagus' apprentice learned all he possibly could, before he killed him' sidious lies. unless the whole plagus story is just another lie by sidious to get vader behind him.

[Kraxis]

A lie it could be. But to learn is not the same at being able to. Palpatine coul easily try and fail all the time because he isn't strong enough (if I learned the technique to how to lift 300kg it doesn't mean I would be able to do it physically), Vader on the other hand... Now he would likely be able to do it if he learned how. But after Padmé's death it is rather unimportant for him.

Btw, isn't Captain Antilles a bit old? He wasn't that old in ANH...

[tibilicus]

i know sidious is plagus' apprentice. he hints at it not only when they are watching the space opera thingy but also later when anakin confronts him and draws out his lasersword. my beef is that sidious obviously didn't learn all he could from plagus otherwise he would already know the sith secret to prolonging life and wouldn't need to say 'hey vader, become my apprentice and together we can learn how to save your wife.'

so when sidious says, 'plagus' apprentice learned all he possibly could, before he killed him' sidious lies. unless the whole plagus story is just another lie by sidious to get vader behind him.

Didnt he just say plagus could keep others alive just to lure Anakin in? And i am really surprised that Sidious being a weekling could kill Plagus. Even mace Windu almost nailed him. And he isnt even that great.........

[Kraxis]

Didnt he just say plagus could keep others alive just to lure Anakin in? And i am really surprised that Sidious being a weekling could kill Plagus. Even mace Windu almost nailed him. And he isnt even that great.........
Oh but he is... Remember the talk Anakin and Obi-Wan has in the elevator in Episode II? Swordfighting abilities of Yoda and the strength of Windu, and it appears to me that Mace does use his greater strength against Palpatine.
Palpatine is not a weakling at all. How could he hide his presence if he was not very strong in the Force? Even Yoda has to go to a desolate planet to hide, Palpatine could hide in the midst of the Jedi.

[tibilicus]

I stand corected. It is true the way he hid himself among the jedi wilst being undetected. Yoda had to go to Dagobar to live in a cave formely posesed by a dark jedii to hird in the darkness there. Woow never knew that my knowledge of starwars was quite as big in knowing that.

[nokhor]

obviously heavy on the preachin' but funny and well executed nevertheless.

http://www.storewars.org/flash/index.html

[Kraxis]

Damn that was funny!!! ~D ~D ~D
Those names crack me up!

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Well, I finally saw it. Finally poked my head into this thread, too. Spoilerific, indeed. ~D

I am disappointed. People saying its the best of the new ones. Not really. The special effects were nice, and the battle were great, though way too short. Too much bad dialogue and worse acting.

I think I liked II better and I about the same.

Still can't touch the originals.

I just wish there was more stuff with the clone troopers. And "Order 66." I would think at least some of the clones would have been slow to fire on their leaders like that. :help:

Most of my other comments have already been said. Just venting. I need to see the originals again, to "cleanse" myself.

[Craterus]

I saw Ep 3 yesterday.

I thought they fitted the previous and later parts of the story together quite nicely. I enjoyed the film.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Saw it yesterday evenening. I thought it was good, but some of the acting was terrible (case and point: Emporer/Chancellor Palpantine). I did enjoy the fight scenes, and I did enjoy the dialog between Palpantine and Skywalker. It's reminecent of the fact that Palpantine is Sidious, and the master who had the power to give life and death was his former master; whom he murdered. Kind of Ironic, because we all know vader kills him...
I thought the Order 66 scenes were well done, and the temple scene was really cool. And the Grivous scenes. And that fight between Anakin/Vader and Obi-Wan was astounding.

[Al Khalifah]

I actually kind of thought the fight and battle scenes were a little dull compared to previous offerings. Perhaps I've just been de-sensitised but the camera angles seemed to give a poor perspective of what was going on and the battle on Kassyk seemed like a total aside.

[Craterus]

Why didn't Obi-Wan make sure he was dead? He could have prevented the rise of the Imperials.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Why didn't Obi-Wan make sure he was dead? He could have prevented the rise of the Imperials.
Emotions. The weak jedi was too weak to kill Anankin. Remember...Jedi don't kill their prisoners.

[Craterus]

That's why I would always go Sith. As Palpatine said, you can learn the other side of the force and a whole range of new powers, whilst you still know the Jedi ways. Plus, you wouldn't get condemned for killing your prisoners.

This gives me an idea for a thread.

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

That's why I would always go Sith. As Palpatine said, you can learn the other side of the force and a whole range of new powers, whilst you still know the Jedi ways. Plus, you wouldn't get condemned for killing your prisoners.

This gives me an idea for a thread.

Yes, but you'd be evil...I always have this discussion with my friends, and I always end up being the only one who'd be a Jedi. I just don't see very much cool about being evil-it's really easy and boring.

Red is such a boring colour for a lightsaber as well.

[ShadesPanther]

mine would be multicoloured

Jedi is cool and all but Sith can do all of the powers if they want.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Yes, but you'd be evil...I always have this discussion with my friends, and I always end up being the only one who'd be a Jedi. I just don't see very much cool about being evil-it's really easy and boring.

Red is such a boring colour for a lightsaber as well.
I'd be a neuteral jedi, chop up the sith but not be part of the Jedi order. And for sabers...I'd have to say either Orange or Violet!

[Gregoshi]

Emotions. The weak jedi was too weak to kill Anankin. Remember...Jedi don't kill their prisoners.

But Anakin wasn't a prisoner. Yoda sent Obi-wan to kill Anakin. Obi-wan didn't want to do it because he considered Anakin his brother. A Jedi could have and would have killed Anakin had their abilities allowed. Unfortunately for the Jedi, the situation forced a poor matchup vs Anakin.

Also, if you recall, Mace Windu was ready to kill Palpatine had Anakin not interfered. Though I do wonder how much Palpatine was holding back to appear defenseless for the purpose of influencing Anakin.

And regarding lightsabre colour, I liked Luke's green, but I think aquamarine/turquoise would be a cool colour too.

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

I'd go with standard blue, really-it's workmanlike. What do you guys like in the way of hilts? My personal favourite is the one Obi-Wan is using in Eps III and IV. I also like Luke's second hilt, although that's a given as it's based on the Obi-Wan design I've just mentioned.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

But Anakin wasn't a prisoner. Yoda sent Obi-wan to kill Anakin. Obi-wan didn't want to do it because he considered Anakin his brother. A Jedi could have and would have killed Anakin had their abilities allowed. Unfortunately for the Jedi, the situation forced a poor matchup vs Anakin.

Also, if you recall, Mace Windu was ready to kill Palpatine had Anakin not interfered. Though I do wonder how much Palpatine was holding back to appear defenseless for the purpose of influencing Anakin.

And regarding lightsabre colour, I liked Luke's green, but I think aquamarine/turquoise would be a cool colour too.
Mace got PWNED by Anakin though, that was funny. Poor Palpantine though, it made him all wrinkly and disgusting.

Anyway, any of you Guys (Star Wars dorks like me, specifically) play Kotor2? Most of you probably have, but tell me; Isn't the silver saber color the best?

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Isn't the silver saber color the best?

You can actually get a silver?! It was alluded to when you explained the colour of your old saber to Atton, but I never actually got one. The most unusual I obtained was viridian.

*plays through KOTOR 2 again*

[Kaiser of Arabia]

You can actually get a silver?! It was alluded to when you explained the colour of your old saber to Atton, but I never actually got one. The most unusual I obtained was viridian.

*plays through KOTOR 2 again*
Whatya do is side with Geeda on Nar Shadaa, the Rodian Merchant. Then go to dantooine, finish the quest (I did it light side all 4 times I've gone through most of the game), go back to narshadaa, tell her you fixed up dantooine and she can travel there, and you can buy the silver crystal from her.

[Gregoshi]

Mace got PWNED by Anakin though, that was funny.
Yeah, the snivelling little momma's-boy turned traitor and ambushed Mace while he was occupied by Palpatine. :no: Capo, you worry me sometimes with what you find funny. ~:confused:

Regarding Star Wars games, I've only really dabbled briefly with a couple of Playstation games. For whatever reason, the games never captured my interest.

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Whatya do is side with Geeda on Nar Shadaa, the Rodian Merchant. Then go to dantooine, finish the quest (I did it light side all 4 times I've gone through most of the game), go back to narshadaa, tell her you fixed up dantooine and she can travel there, and you can buy the silver crystal from her.

Awesome, thanks Capo.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

np mate.
btw did you ever beat Dantooine siding with the Mercanaries? I tried but Vrook killed my sentinel in about 10 seconds ~D. Not that it matters, he's easier to kill at the end (coincidently my first time through I had a light side character, but a dark side ending. I sided with Vaklu instead of Mrs. Annoyingaccent.)

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Any one notice the Wedge Antillies cammio? On Olgana's corvet? And maybe that was just the prototype Death Star? Only 3 ships guarded the Maw research centre, right?

That aside, I thought it could have been better. Lightsabre duels could have been better(aside from yoda vs Palpy), the space battles could have been better, the acting could have been better, and special effects poor at the end I think.
That wasn't wedge. That was the son of Senator Antilles of Alderaan, no relation to the Antillies of Corellia, where Wedge is from.
http://starwars.wikicities.com/wiki/Antilles

[Al Khalifah]

I wonder if you can get a black light saber. Kind of an optical impossibility but still it would look bitchin' for any gangsta pill poppin' jedi sockin' Sith bad boy.

[Craterus]

Is KOTOR II good? Would you recommend it? Can you get it for Playstation or is it PC/XBOX exclusive? Thanks for your answers, I'm really considering gettting this game but I can't find much info on the net.

AFAIK, it's PC and XBOX only.

[Al Khalifah]

I'm quite interested too, but its not my usual genre of game so it would take something special to keep me amused. How good is it?

[Craterus]

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/kotor2/index.html

This is where I went to have a look at it. There are some screens and movies. Reviews and previews etc. It can tell you a fair bit about the game.

[SwordsMaster]

There is a big thread on KOTOR 1 and 2 in the Arena, but it isnt on the front page, you´ll have t search for a bit.

I do recommend it though, Im going to beat it the 3rd time this week ~D Evil is good, evil is cool.... ~D

[Craterus]

I've read a bit and found out that you don't have to have played the first game, and that's all I really wanted to know. Ok, hopefully I'll get it this week.

[Steppe Merc]

I'd be a neuteral jedi, chop up the sith but not be part of the Jedi order.
Same. I don't think I could live the stuffy Jedi life... to many rules, wierd robes. ~D
But I'm not a big fan of yellow eyes, so I'd stay away from the dark side.

KOTOR is awesome, 1 and 2. And yeah, silver is pretty awesome. I'd have to go blue though... mabye bluey silvery...


Yeah, the snivelling little momma's-boy turned traitor and ambushed Mace while he was occupied by Palpatine. Capo, you worry me sometimes with what you find funny.
I got really angry at Anakin at that part... didn't think it was funny.

Why exactly did they allow Anakin on the council? Why didn't they just tell Palpatine to go screw himself?

[econ21]

KOTOR 1 and 2 are splendid RPGs. Very good in their own right and, in terms of Star Wars specifically, arguably better than most of the movies.

They are particularly good in terms of dialogue and characterisation. Personally, I thought the plots were great too although the second one has a rather puzzling end (as a result of being rushed). The designers of the second one said in retrospect they thought it was maybe too close to ESB, but I guess if you are going to err, it's better to be on that side. I actually found the Revenge of the Sith reminded me of kotor2 - the main protaganist may easily fall to be dark side, counsellors are not always what they seem and the life expectancy of a Jedi Council member is rather limited.

kotor1 is also worth considering - it has a jaw-dropping plot twist and a very charming romance (for male characters). It's as good as kotor2, most people think it a little better.

In terms of gameplay, both titles are solid. Very good combat and character building systems (both based on the tried and tested Dungeons and Dragons game). The sideplots and quests are generally varied and fun. Combat is pretty well balanced in kotor1 but strangely rather too easy in kotor2.

The graphics are nice, IMO, and the sound is excellent - all dialogue is spoken, except your own, with movie quality acting (Kreia and Bastilla's actresses knock spots off Anakin's and Padme's).

Highly recommended - I still get a kick remembering the thrill of using force jump as a Jedi Guardian to launch a light saber strike on an enemy. The only down side is rather limited replayability - rather like a good book, once you've done it, you are not that drawn to go back.