No-Dachi screenshot

[Drisos]

http://img204.echo.cx/img204/2744/nodachi4mk.jpg

And? do you see him? ~:)

:bow:

[UglyandHasty]

Non

[Togakure]

Lol ... ShinGaijin would be proud (he used to do that a lot; was the first person I saw do it).

[Byzantine Prince]

How do you make it so he follows? DO you do it manually?

[Togakure]

just group them together, either just the two or as a part of a bigger group.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hah the big guy in the middle. I could never get that to work right, the kensai always lagged behind or just stood around ~:(

[Drisos]

just group them together, either just the two or as a part of a bigger group.

Yes, I used that. Worked great. ~:)

In the battle from this screenshot I fought against 60 yari sam and 60 sam arch. both h9w3a3. I did not flank and got shot while I was stuck with the yari's. I lost it. The conclusion is that no-dachi's are at least not much better then yari sam when they're both h9w3a3.

I think I'll be doing some practice with this tomorrow. Just wait and see my results then.

:bow:

[p_nutter]

Hmm, sneaky. Is he the one holding the butterfly banner? ~:)

The thing to remember about kensais is that they are always fighting one-handed! Imagine how much worse they would be if they did not have to hold those enormous flags in the other hand.

[ElmarkOFear]

The great MP player AmpMortog aka. AMP used to buy 16 kensai units and group them together and overlap them one on top of the other. Not sure exactly how he managed that, but the effect was a 16x effect on enemy morale and he could move them all simultaneously and rout just about any army with them. It was rather funny to watch and fortunately not many knew how to do it or it would have ruined MP. :)

[Drisos]

The great MP player AmpMortog aka. AMP used to buy 16 kensai units and group them together and overlap them one on top of the other. Not sure exactly how he managed that, but the effect was a 16x effect on enemy morale and he could move them all simultaneously and rout just about any army with them. It was rather funny to watch and fortunately not many knew how to do it or it would have ruined MP. :)

I guess the only solution would be to shoot these kensai. . .

Oh wait, not more than 4 of the same unit type are allowed these days, so it wouldn't be possible anymore anyway. It would be scary ~:eek:

EDIT:
...the butterfly banner?

Yep! ~:)

[Shambles]

Kenzai are prety bullet proof lol.
They can make a mess of your formation if musketeers and archers are on skirmish mode,

and are really usefull in bridge crossings becous of that,
Im prety shure 4 kenzai units could deplete all your archers ammo with minimall losses on a bridge crossing,
and to do so in the rain may just make a bridge crossing possible due to poor acuracy and rate of fier of musketeers in the rain,

Kenzai kick booty

battel feild Ninjas are harder to spot and are prey leathal with ranged attacks vs generals.
I guess it just depends on what your up 2

[Aelwyn]

The great MP player AmpMortog aka. AMP used to buy 16 kensai units and group them together and overlap them one on top of the other. Not sure exactly how he managed that, but the effect was a 16x effect on enemy morale and he could move them all simultaneously and rout just about any army with them. It was rather funny to watch and fortunately not many knew how to do it or it would have ruined MP. :)


Just tried that yesterday (back to playing STW, as RTW isn't appealing to me atm). I thought I was going to be able to, while dragging out the units on the ground, its easy to overlap them, but then they don't actually overlap when they move into position. So, I'd like to know how thats actually done. Maybe I need to try it with more than 2, but thats all I had at the time.

:bow:

[2ddragon]

i did the Kensai-No-Dachi thing in custom battle but instead of grouping them i accidentally routed them - losing my Kensai general in the process :(

[Drisos]

How annoying. . .I have routed my armies sometimes too, when I wanted to group. :dizzy2:

[Drisos]

OK, did some tests:

*****

Battles fought at IB in good weather.

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60 yari sam h4w0a0

vs.:

60 no-dachi h2w0a0
1 kensai h2w0a0

*****

* First battle: I retreat kensai and see if No-Dachi beat yari's
- No dachi's loose, yaris are stronger.

*Second battle: I retreat No-dachi and see if kensai is stronger
- Kensai looses, yaris are stronger

*third battle: I attack from the front with both kensai and No-Dachi
-I still loose, yari's are stronger

*fourth battle: I attack with ND and then attack from the rear with the kensai
-Even this time I loose.

It appears that high-honour yari's beat up low-honour shock troops, even when flanked.

:dizzy2: Didn't expect this. ~:)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

OK, did some tests:

*****

Battles fought at IB in good weather.

*****

60 yari sam h4w0a0

vs.:

60 no-dachi h2w0a0
1 kensai h2w0a0

*****

* First battle: I retreat kensai and see if No-Dachi beat yari's
- No dachi's loose, yaris are stronger.

*Second battle: I retreat No-dachi and see if kensai is stronger
- Kensai looses, yaris are stronger

*third battle: I attack from the front with both kensai and No-Dachi
-I still loose, yari's are stronger

*fourth battle: I attack with ND and then attack from the rear with the kensai
-Even this time I loose.

It appears that high-honour yari's beat up low-honour shock troops, even when flanked.

:dizzy2: Didn't expect this. ~:)


Yari sam have only one less combat point than no-dachi and are cheaper to upgrade. They are far and away the best infantry unit for mp or custom battles.

P.S. Try attacking with kensai and sending ND around rear :bow:

[2ddragon]

Drisos - remember the units describes aren't the definitive shock troops (in fact i feel these units are deficient and don't give the full view)
try it with H5 NoDs and H1 Kensai Gen
Put the Yari's up to H5/6
Try those out

[Drisos]

Try to charge with the kensai and flank with the no-dachi unit.

The concept was to hide the kensai in the no-dachi unit until the charge at his yari's. Sadly, it appears that the AI always targets the No-dachi in stead of the Kensai, but the kensai cannot keep the yari's from attacking your no-dachi, because he's only alone. That way, his yari's always manage to charge at my no-dachi and they just stop moving, that way the flank fails. This can be done if the No-dachi are far behind the kensai, because the kensai is strong enough to survive for a while and the yari's won't target the no-dachi when they are far away. But the the yari's get in a battle with the kensai and the no-dachi can flank. That way, this can be done.

Conclusion. Hiding kensai in no-dachi will not give you the opportunity to flank with the no-dachi, but only with the kensai.

Conclusion II. a kensai unit and no-dachi unit are quite expensive together, and if you'd spend all that money to yari's, they would certainly be better. So use yari's!!

2ddragon: I tend to use those stats for shock troops and yari mostly, yes.

:bow:

[Drisos]

Hehe, Shin-GaiJin is around again, I did not see him hiding the Kensai but I noticed he had one. ~:)