Don't Buy Fords, they're Gay. Also Kraft & Wal Mart.

[Proletariat]

But Disney (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8047423/) isn't gay (now).




A week after it declared victory over Walt Disney Co., a leading Christian activist group has fired another missile in its long war against companies it thinks are destroying traditional American values.

[Proletariat]

Dog gone it, I intended this to be a back room thread. My apologies to all fronties.

[Gregoshi]

No affront taken. ~D

[Quid]

Gregoshi, you never stop to amaze me...

To the topic. I only read the first part of the article before I then had to stop with a shake of my head and a short outburst of laughter. Having come back to my senses, I am amazed that this can happen nowadays and find it rather sad, really.

Switzerland has only yesterday ratified new legislation to let homosexuals get into a partnership with more or less equal rights to normally married couples. And that with a whopping 75% majority. If I had to choose between some Christian nutters and a homosexual partnership I think I would turn to the latter ~;).

Quid

[thrashaholic]

I find it ever-so ironic and amusing that the leader of this Christian moralist anti-gay campaign is called Randy.

It all seems a bit silly to me.

[Quid]

I find it ever-so ironic and amusing that the leader of this Christian moralist anti-gay campaign is called Randy.



I missed that, very suiting.

Quid

[InsaneApache]

why is it that some people try and forced their views down others peoples throats? I boycott Ford, nothing to do with this but rather after buying 5 cars off them in the 80s they sold me a pup and rubbed my nose in it....it was a case of my backside being on the line and Ford did a cock up ~:eek: (ooer missus)

[Ser Clegane]

As of Tuesday, it was calling for action against [...] Mary Kay Cosmetics and Old Navy stores (for advertising on ABC’s prime-time soap opera “Desperate Housewives”)

:inquisitive:

They are really a bit petty aren't they? I wonder if they are "calling for action" against all companies for advertising in TV-shows they do not like...

[English assassin]

Oh boy, there are so many reasons not to buy Fords, but that isn't one of them.

Its hard work being a bigot isn't it, all these boycotts to keep up with.

[doc_bean]

54,000 petitioners

if about 5% of the population is gay, that makes for about 15,000,000 homosexuals

Now, which costumer base would you suck up to ?

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Dog gone it, I intended this to be a back room thread. My apologies to all fronties.

No problem, it gives me a chance to flex my mod muscles.

[Steppe Merc]

This is quite sad and pathetic, I think... These people need to have more fun. I believe if they had more fun, they wouldn't be so grumpy and they wouldn't complian as much.

[Proletariat]

So what happens if a big corporation is "pro-gay" but "anti-choice"? Does nobody buy its products? Or is it more important to buy products that your political opponents are boycotting than to boycott them yourself for a different reason?

Politics is ridiculous. It's like baseball, except boring and with less colourful uniforms.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to drive my "Nazi-designed" car to pick up an "anti-choice" pizza for myself, my gay co-worker and my fundamentalist Christian secretary. Then we're going to sit and eat our pizza in the breakroom with assorted other residents of the real world, and pray to God that our heads don't burst from the pressure of all the Evil we're perpetrating.

[Navaros]

i certainly will now be boycotting Ford for all of my life, and spreading this disgusting information to - and encouraging everyone i ever talk to anywhere - to do the same

@original poster: thx for the heads-up! ~:cheers:

[A.Saturnus]

Nice new avatar, Proletariat.

[doc_bean]

It's like baseball, except boring

Baseball isn't ?

[Proletariat]

Nice new avatar, Proletariat.

Thanks. :happyg:



Baseball isn't ?

Okay, it is boring. But if you grow up in an atmosphere of seething rivalries it's not so bad. It's not like soccer is all that riveting at first glance either.

[Redleg]

Nice new avatar, Proletariat.

She better put some cover over that chest - or the Christian moralist anti-gay group is going to come after this web site and ask us all to boycot it.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Well, I plan on boycotting Ford for otehr moralist Christian reasons: namely, that they give loads of money Catholics for Choice (or some name like that) which are basically just liberal protestants in disguise.

Crazed Rabbit

[Goofball]

“A woman in black panties, bra, and high heels, is pushing a shopping cart through a supermarket aisle,” the AFA says in an Action Alert on its Web site. “A man stocking items seems to be lusting after her, as she pauses in front of him (shown from side angle). They zoom in on her stomach as the stocker glances up and down at her torso with a lustful smile. The panties are very low cut, [and] as she walks away it is in slow motion.”

*breaks out in a slight sweat*

Erm... Yes... Um.... Terrible ad.... Yes... We should do something about...

Erm... Excuse me a moment...

*runs to bathroom for a little "alone time"*

~;)

[BDC]

One day I shall gift that organisation lots of funds in the form of Fords, Kraft Food vouchers, and Mary Kay Cosmetic stuff. Then watch as the leadership collapses, torn between principal and material wealth. Material wealth of course being the American Dream, so possibly the most important American value.

Life could be so fun.

[KukriKhan]

Looks like Ford dealers gave in (or rather, got them to postpone):
http://media.afa.net/newdesign/ReleaseDetail.asp?id=3204

[Kagemusha]

And whats going to be next target?Maybe redheads or green eyed people?Some people never chance.I think this kind of stuff emerges from peoples own afraid of things different to them. :dizzy2:

[Steppe Merc]

Cowards. Why do they even care about a bunch of crazy relgious nuts (no offense Nav. ~;) ) and what they think?

[Redleg]

Cowards. Why do they even care about a bunch of crazy relgious nuts (no offense Nav. ~;) ) and what they think?

Because when car sells are struggling and these nuts have a following that might just impact their bottom line - those corporate nuts get a little flakey themselves. Especially when the dealerships must sell vehicles in which to keep themselves in business.

[ShadesPanther]

http://www.afa.net/pornography/

Now thats funny. My favourite is

Not only do these locations have something which might tempt a person to sin, but they also become a gathering place of demonic spirits.

[DemonArchangel]

i certainly will now be boycotting Ford for all of my life, and spreading this disgusting information to - and encouraging everyone i ever talk to anywhere - to do the same

@original poster: thx for the heads-up! ~:cheers:

Good choice. Ford sure makes some sh*tty cars... (Except for the GT)

[Proletariat]

Good choice. Ford sure makes some sh*tty cars... (Except for the GT)



C'mon DA, what are you, 14 years old? That sounds like something someone at the middle school lunch room would say.

Yeah, American cars were crap in the 80s, but they are as good as anything else right now when you are comparing dollar against dollar.


I'm not looking at this as a xenophobe (coincidentally, I'm shopping for a new car and will probably buy Japanese), but as someone who has been examining the auto industry over the years. Simply put, American cars are not crap. That's just silly.

American cars are much better than they used to be. European cars (particularly Volkswagens, Audis and SAABs) are not as good as they used to be. With the exception of Hondas, Japanese cars are not as good as they used to be, but Toyota trucks are still the best out there IMHO. Korean cars are better than they used to be.

I put most of this down to the globalization of many car companies making more and more cars the same.

In general, engines and brake systems industrywide are a lot better than they used to be, except for Volkswagens, Audis and SAABs, in which case they have gotten too complicated. Electric systems and fuel systems are better across the board.

Most of the hardware and accoutrements on cars are chintzier across the board. My old Beetle is more solid than a lot of new cars made nowadays. But cars are infinitely safer these days, now that they are made to collapse. It's odd, but the old, more-solidly built cars like mine were more dangerous precisely because they were tough outer shells with little core protection once the shell gave way.

[Samurai Waki]

I think I'll just stick with my 2004 Jaguar XK for the moment.

[DemonArchangel]

Sorry, but I honestly think Ford has some reliability issues they need to work out, as does GM.

Meanwhile, my mom's 10 year old Toyota Avalon is still going strong.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

54,000 petitioners

if about 5% of the population is gay, that makes for about 15,000,000 homosexuals

Now, which costumer base would you suck up to ?
the 54k. Why? Because there are many other people, many more than 15 million, that beleive the same as they do. Like me, even though I didn't sign the petition. Also, Ford trucks are supposed to be for manly men. No wonder why I've always like Chevy ~D Damn that was such a tangent.

[DemonArchangel]

Chevy sucks. It's the real car brand for gay folks. Take a single look at the Monte Carlo and tell me that's a straight man's car. You can't. YOU CAN'T!!! (~;p Just kidding GM, please don't sue me.)

Meanwhile, the Mustang still attracts women, as it's a damn sexy car. Ford has great styling, i'll admit that.



Anyway, this is kinda of pathetic, don't you think? Not only is this a stupid publicity stunt, probably cooked up by both sides, the only people that would actually boycott Ford are those idiots and perhaps the redneck wannabe crusader followers of Fred Phelps and/or Navaros. ...... homophobia's about as stupid as discriminating against gypsies and jews, which I'm sure plenty of conservatives would secretly like to do, but still, it's just that stupid. I think gay folks are little bit creepy, but is it worth throwing a hissy fit like a little girl over? Some people really need to get a life.

[Proletariat]

....... homophobia's about as stupid as discriminating against gypsies and jews, which I'm sure plenty of conservatives would secretly like to do, but still, it's just that stupid.

Wow. At least Al Khalifah was kidding.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

I smell some mod thunder a comin'.

Anyway, what I don't get is this: what's the problem? Maybe you Euroweenies aren't used to capitalism (and that is serious kidding on my part*) but in America you have the freedom (usually) to buy stuff from different companies for any reason you can think of. If I don't want to buy products from a company that actively supports the cloning of people for body parts, I think that's my right. It is also my right to organize groups of like-minded individuals to boycott a company's product for similar reasons. There is talk of people boycotting Barbarian Invasion (the RTW expansion pack for those of you who haven't heard**) because they dislike what CA has done with Rome. Are they [trying to] forcing their beliefs on everyone else? Hell yes. That's how it works.

*I was kidding. I mean, Proletariat started the thread for goodness sake. ~:cheers:

**It seems that the backroom has resisted RTW in general. I guess that deep down, we are conservative. ~;)

[Mongoose]

I agree. It's their choice i guess...ask your self this: are they really missing out on anything by not buying ford cars? ~;)

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Chevy sucks. It's the real car brand for gay folks. Take a single look at the Monte Carlo and tell me that's a straight man's car. You can't. YOU CAN'T!!! (~;p Just kidding GM, please don't sue me.)

Meanwhile, the Mustang still attracts women, as it's a damn sexy car. Ford has great styling, i'll admit that.



Anyway, this is kinda of pathetic, don't you think? Not only is this a stupid publicity stunt, probably cooked up by both sides, the only people that would actually boycott Ford are those idiots and perhaps the redneck wannabe crusader followers of Fred Phelps and/or Navaros. ...... homophobia's about as stupid as discriminating against gypsies and jews, which I'm sure plenty of conservatives would secretly like to do, but still, it's just that stupid. I think gay folks are little bit creepy, but is it worth throwing a hissy fit like a little girl over? Some people really need to get a life.
I don't make it a secret I don't like gypsies, they scare me. Alot. And yes it is worth throwing a hissy fit over, as long as you are the victor in the end ~D

[Navaros]

Why do they even care about a bunch of crazy relgious nuts and what they think?


why they should care is because they are not "religious nuts" as you put it. rather, they are people who have spiritual awareness and know the difference between right and wrong

the world at large, does not know this. it is as Jesus said: "just as the world has hated me, so shall it hate you"

the "majority" viewpoint of the world in regards to most things will always be defaulting to the most evil, vile, repugnant side there is

it is those who are enlightened enough to know better, who stand on the righteous side of that fence instead. if the world at large loves you and your viewpoints, that means your viewpoints are morally wrong.

hence, companies like Ford should not be using their ignorance of right and wrong as an exscuse to try to promote evil in society.

also why they should care is because God will of course judge them and reward them in due time for these transgressions. i'm sure most of you will laugh because i said that. it may seem funny now. but it won't always. ~D

[bmolsson]

The Christian fundamentalism is really starting to be dangerous. Lucky for us all they can afford lawyers and don't need to use suicide bombers......

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

The Christian fundamentalism is really starting to be dangerous. Lucky for us all they can afford lawyers and don't need to use suicide bombers......
So now some lost revenue for Ford Motor Company is a "danger," presumably to society? Since when did everyone care so much about an evil corporation? If this was about some hippy group boycotting Walmart, either no one would care or (more likely) people would be praising the boycotters. Maybe it is the secular fundamentalism that is really starting to be dangerous. And they have all the lawyers they need, thanks to your friendly neighborhood ACLU...

:no:

[Kaiser of Arabia]

why they should care is because they are not "religious nuts" as you put it. rather, they are people who have spiritual awareness and know the difference between right and wrong

the world at large, does not know this. it is as Jesus said: "just as the world has hated me, so shall it hate you"

the "majority" viewpoint of the world in regards to most things will always be defaulting to the most evil, vile, repugnant side there is

it is those who are enlightened enough to know better, who stand on the righteous side of that fence instead. if the world at large loves you and your viewpoints, that means your viewpoints are morally wrong.

hence, companies like Ford should not be using their ignorance of right and wrong as an exscuse to try to promote evil in society.

also why they should care is because God will of course judge them and reward them in due time for these transgressions. i'm sure most of you will laugh because i said that. it may seem funny now. but it won't always. ~D
We need a massive applause smiley. that was really good Navaros, I won't even add to it.

[Proletariat]

why they should care is because they are not "religious nuts" as you put it. rather, they are people who have spiritual awareness and know the difference between right and wrong

the world at large, does not know this. it is as Jesus said: "just as the world has hated me, so shall it hate you"

the "majority" viewpoint of the world in regards to most things will always be defaulting to the most evil, vile, repugnant side there is

it is those who are enlightened enough to know better, who stand on the righteous side of that fence instead. if the world at large loves you and your viewpoints, that means your viewpoints are morally wrong.

hence, companies like Ford should not be using their ignorance of right and wrong as an exscuse to try to promote evil in society.

also why they should care is because God will of course judge them and reward them in due time for these transgressions. i'm sure most of you will laugh because i said that. it may seem funny now. but it won't always. ~D

Blessed are the sanctimonious, err, meek.

[bmolsson]

So now some lost revenue for Ford Motor Company is a "danger," presumably to society? Since when did everyone care so much about an evil corporation? If this was about some hippy group boycotting Walmart, either no one would care or (more likely) people would be praising the boycotters. Maybe it is the secular fundamentalism that is really starting to be dangerous. And they have all the lawyers they need, thanks to your friendly neighborhood ACLU...

:no:

It's only the beginning. Their intent is to force their life style and beliefs on everyone else. They will be using the weaknesses in the American legal system and exhaust businesses, organisations and individuals until they got their will.......

[Navaros]

It's only the beginning. Their intent is to force their life style and beliefs on everyone else. They will be using the weaknesses in the American legal system and exhaust businesses, organisations and individuals until they got their will.......

if what you stated here were to actually happen, that would be great

it would be the best thing to happen to America in many, many decades ~:cheers:

[Aurelian]

Originally Posted by Navaros
"If the world at large loves you and your viewpoints, that means your viewpoints are morally wrong."

Wow. Are democratic systems always morally wrong because their views reflect those of the majority? Guess we need an American Taliban or something.

What if the viewpoint of the "world at large" changes? Do you have to change your view too, just so you can continue being contrary?

I have yet to find the biblical passage where Jesus says: "Above all else, fill yourself with hatred for the homosexual agenda!" It seems to have been pretty far down (or nonexistent) on his agenda. It's probably much safer to concentrate on helping the needy since that seems to have been his primary criteria for determining who gets into the Kingdom of Heaven. Once you've finished helping the needy than I'm sure Jesus would want you to get right on the whole anti-homosexual thing. Or not.

In my Bible, your Jesus quote reads: "If the world hates you, don't forget that it hated me first. If you were at home in the world, the world would befriend you as its own. But you are not at home in the world; that's why the world hates you." Hey, the world hates gays, and they really don't feel at home in the world. Maybe they hold a special place in Jesus' heart alongside 'the meek'.

[Navaros]

Originally Posted by Navaros
"If the world at large loves you and your viewpoints, that means your viewpoints are morally wrong."

Wow. Are democratic systems always morally wrong because their views reflect those of the majority? Guess we need an American Taliban or something.

What if the viewpoint of the "world at large" changes? Do you have to change your view too, just so you can continue being contrary?

I have yet to find the biblical passage where Jesus says: "Above all else, fill yourself with hatred for the homosexual agenda!" It seems to have been pretty far down (or nonexistent) on his agenda. It's probably much safer to concentrate on helping the needy since that seems to have been his primary criteria for determining who gets into the Kingdom of Heaven. Once you've finished helping the needy than I'm sure Jesus would want you to get right on the whole anti-homosexual thing. Or not.



yes, democratic systems are morally wrong because their views reflect those of the (evil) majority.

those who have moral views based on knowing God, never have to change those views because those views are divine and perfect from the outset. it is only those who follow the wisdom of man - which is in actuality, sheer foolishness - that are ever in need of changing their views

as for what the Bible says; it is very explicitly clear in many books of both Testaments about what God thinks of "homosexuality". of course the majority of so-called 'Christians' these days like to try to ignore that because it is not "convenient" to be disagreeable with the evil majority views. but the verses are there, and numerous. they will always be there.

the road to Heaven is long and narrow, and few travel that path. that is what Jesus said. Jesus came to fulfill the law, not abolish it. the message is clear as it is stated in the Bible. don't believe the hype of those who try to ignore that reality.

[Productivity]

So what do you advocate Navaros? Theocracy?

What you posted above looks less like a way to heaven and more like a attempted moralisation for a power grab with every read.

What do you care what the majority does. If they want to indulge in their 'evil' ways let them. If your beleifs are true, it will catch up with them in the end. Why strain yourself to look after those who care nothing for your beleifs? Live a 'good' life yourself and then die and go to heaven. Let us be 'evil' if we want and go to hell. All you are trying to do is moralise a hypothetical power grab that you seem to want to indulge in.

[Xiahou]

I can't really get too excited about this story one way of the other... business as usual isnt it? Special interest groups pressuring corps. to support their cause in favor of another... I don't see what the problem is.

[ichi]

those who have moral views based on knowing God, never have to change those views because those views are divine and perfect from the outset. it is only those who follow the wisdom of man - which is in actuality, sheer foolishness - that are ever in need of changing their views

This is the same thinking that got Galileo excommunicated because the Godly view was that the earth was at the center of the universe. It also led to the torture of witches and the persecution of jews and others.

Just an example


Those born of an illicit union shall not be admitted to the assembly of the LORD. Even to the tenth generation, none of their descendants shall be admitted to the assembly of the LORD. (Deut. 23:2)

Since lots of people claim to know the mind of God, and they do not all agree, which of these views is divine?

ichi :bow:

[Papewaio]

yes, democratic systems are morally wrong because their views reflect those of the (evil) majority.

those who have moral views based on knowing God, never have to change those views because those views are divine and perfect from the outset. it is only those who follow the wisdom of man - which is in actuality, sheer foolishness - that are ever in need of changing their views


So how do you explain using the internet, flying, using electricity?... these are all changes. Changes that have in the whole been invented by mans knowledge, and overall by non-Christian men.

[doc_bean]

I can't really get too excited about this story one way of the other... business as usual isnt it? Special interest groups pressuring corps. to support their cause in favor of another... I don't see what the problem is.

It is pretty funny.

Of course it is their right to do what they are doing, just as it is the companies right to support whatever it wants and just as it is our right to make fun of all involved.

~:cheers:

[doc_bean]

Navaros, thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God'slaw. I have learned a great deal from you and try to share thatknowledge with as many people as I can.

When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do needsome advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them:

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not to Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctionedin Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

4. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states that he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

5. A friend of mine feels that, even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there "degrees" of abomination?

6. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-roomhere?

7. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including thehair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

8. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

9. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them (Lev.24:10-16)? Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws (Lev.20:14)?

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.


PS I didn't write this, it's an old thing that's been going around the internet for a while.

[bmolsson]

if what you stated here were to actually happen, that would be great

it would be the best thing to happen to America in many, many decades ~:cheers:

We are all so happy that you don't come from a rich contractor family, so you will stay with posting in forums rather than other actions to reach what you want....... :charge:

[Redleg]

yes, democratic systems are morally wrong because their views reflect those of the (evil) majority.

Wrong - democratic systems are not morally wrong because they do reflect the majority will of the people. Someone has a incorrect concept of democratic systems of today. When the founding father's of the United States developed both the Declaration of Independence and United States Constitution - they believed in the concept of an all powerful deity. You might want to research a little more history before coming up with such statements.



those who have moral views based on knowing God, never have to change those views because those views are divine and perfect from the outset. it is only those who follow the wisdom of man - which is in actuality, sheer foolishness - that are ever in need of changing their views


Moral views based upon the diety are easily found within the Old Testimate and New Testimate. Preaching hate about anyone group is a condemnation in the Bible and is against the teachings of Jesus Christ. Now the Old Testimate condemned Homosexuals - the New Testimate does not. In fact Jesus had a few things to say about those who worried about other people's behavior when their's was not so perfect.



as for what the Bible says; it is very explicitly clear in many books of both Testaments about what God thinks of "homosexuality". of course the majority of so-called 'Christians' these days like to try to ignore that because it is not "convenient" to be disagreeable with the evil majority views. but the verses are there, and numerous. they will always be there.


Just as it seems some who wish to force their morality onto others seem to be forgetting what Jesus said about that.



the road to Heaven is long and narrow, and few travel that path. that is what Jesus said. Jesus came to fulfill the law, not abolish it. the message is clear as it is stated in the Bible. don't believe the hype of those who try to ignore that reality.

Yes indeed the road to heaven is long and narrow and the Path to Hell is filled with good intentions. And yes don't believe the hype of those who try to ignore that reality - especially when every human being falls into that trap to include you.

Judge not least you be Judged.

[Steppe Merc]

. There is talk of people boycotting Barbarian Invasion (the RTW expansion pack for those of you who haven't heard**) because they dislike what CA has done with Rome.
Me! I ain't gonna get it untill we at EB have, if we are going to, have modded it. CA sucks. Have you seen those "Huns"? They look like frickken enuches!

Back on topic...


7. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including thehair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
Yay! I'm safe! Haha, I can tell all of my religous, short haired friends that they must die because of the book they follow!

[GodsPetMonkey]

Me! I ain't gonna get it untill we at EB have, if we are going to, have modded it. CA sucks. Have you seen those "Huns"? They look like frickken enuches!


I like off topic!
But anyway, like MI for STW, and VI for MTW, BI will be more useful for what it fixes then what it adds.
Going by the current state of RTW, it will be very hard for EB not to port over to BI when it arrives... just for the bug fixes, and let’s face it, no compulsory senate faction is a good thing...



Moral views based upon the diety are easily found within the Old Testimate and New Testimate. Preaching hate about anyone group is a condemnation in the Bible and is against the teachings of Jesus Christ. Now the Old Testimate condemned Homosexuals - the New Testimate does not. In fact Jesus had a few things to say about those who worried about other people's behavior when their's was not so perfect.

Just as it seems some who wish to force their morality onto others seem to be forgetting what Jesus said about that.

Yes indeed the road to heaven is long and narrow and the Path to Hell is filled with good intentions. And yes don't believe the hype of those who try to ignore that reality - especially when every human being falls into that trap to include you.

Judge not least you be Judged.

Most sensible post on the matter, ever!

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

hence, companies like Ford should not be using their ignorance of right and wrong as an exscuse to try to promote evil in society.


I like and appreciate that Ford got a "F"...

They must really rank high in evilness to deserve such an honour from you ~D

Louis,

[DemonArchangel]

if what you stated here were to actually happen, that would be great

it would be the best thing to happen to America in many, many decades ~:cheers:

You scare me man. You really do. And if you think you can force me to; Over my dead body still clutching an assault rifle in my stiff hands.

[Navaros]

So what do you advocate Navaros? Theocracy?

What you posted above looks less like a way to heaven and more like a attempted moralisation for a power grab with every read.

What do you care what the majority does. If they want to indulge in their 'evil' ways let them. If your beleifs are true, it will catch up with them in the end. Why strain yourself to look after those who care nothing for your beleifs? Live a 'good' life yourself and then die and go to heaven. Let us be 'evil' if we want and go to hell. All you are trying to do is moralise a hypothetical power grab that you seem to want to indulge in.


sure, theocracy sounds great. certainly better than what is there now - a society which murders it's own children in an ongoing legalized holocaust. to name just the worst of many atrocities that come to bear in 'democracy'

as for why care, well there are two reasons to care:

1. as a compassionate person, there is a moral duty to care for those who are ruining themselves and try to prevent them from continuing on an evil path

2. evil spreads. to tolerate evil, is to encourage the spreading of evil. which is obviously unacceptable for a moral person to stand for. worst of all, innocent children have their minds corrupted and indoctrinated with evil secular propaganda; brainwashing them, and damning them to ruin before they are old enough to even realize that they are being taught to believe that evil is "right".

[DemonArchangel]

Navaros, I wholeheartedly agree. Now if I can just find you, i'm gonna give you a good old fashioned Chinese Communist style brainwashing, to prevent your evil from spreading.

[Productivity]

Forget it. The rules of logic and reason warp in high concentrations of religous fanaticisim.

[bmolsson]

*Reads travel restrictions to the US *

The threat is imminent.....