View Full Version : This is priceless...
Goofball
06-08-2005, 17:42
The U.S. government will refuse to let an entire airplane enter the country if somebody named "Abdulla" happens to be on the manifest, but guys like this are okey-dokey:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050608.wxslaying08/BNStory/National/
This is my favorite part:
On April 25, Gregory Despres arrived at the U.S.-Canada border crossing at Calais, Me., carrying a homemade sword, a hatchet, a knife, brass knuckles and a chain saw stained with what appeared to be blood. U.S. customs agents confiscated the weapons and fingerprinted Mr. Despres.
Then they let him into the United States.
Well played.
Don Corleone
06-08-2005, 17:47
I saw this. I read really carefully cause at first I thought Beirut had decided he'd had enough of all of Kaiser's 'invade Canada' jokes and had launched a pre-emptive strike.
All kidding aside... they removed a bloody chainsaw, a sword, a homemade knife and various other weapons from his possession, then let him on through, despite the fact that he had bloodstains all over his clothes???? Criminy!
mercian billman
06-08-2005, 17:47
I like this part myself.
he was arrested on April 27 after police in Massachusetts saw him wandering down a highway in a sweatshirt with red and brown stains.
BTW That picture they showed (of him) was just creepy :help:
Goofball
06-08-2005, 17:54
BTW That picture they showed (of him) was just creepy :help:
Totally creepy!
I'm still a little freaked out after looking at it...
~:eek:
You know what... you can keep him.
Don Corleone
06-08-2005, 18:15
Well, actually, get ready for the shocker, he was one of ours to begin with. He was a naturalized American citizen, that's why they had to allow him in and release him, but apparently they did try to find any outstanding warrants on him they could.
UglyandHasty
06-08-2005, 18:17
http://images.theglobeandmail.com/archives/RTGAM/images/20050608/wxslaying08/0608despres.jpg
creepy ?? Jason without a mask i would say ...
Don Corleone
06-08-2005, 18:23
My Eyes Are So Wide, I Can Place A Dvd In Each One... Muhahahahaha!!!!!!!
Goofball
06-08-2005, 18:25
http://images.theglobeandmail.com/archives/RTGAM/images/20050608/wxslaying08/0608despres.jpg
creepy ?? Jason without a mask i would say ...
As a "redneck" buddy of mind is fond of saying:
"I don't know what that thing is, but if I saw one on the side of the road, I'd shoot it..."
:rifle:
Ser Clegane
06-08-2005, 19:12
Wow - my first guess would have been that this story is taken from The Onion ~:eek:
This incident is absolutely absurd.
Kaiser of Arabia
06-08-2005, 22:34
You do know that it was the Canadian government that captured and released the bastard in the first place.
So, why blame the US government? It makes no sense. This is one of the reasons I don't like canada. They're government is as useless as spy satalites over death valley.
Kaiser of Arabia
06-08-2005, 22:37
wait! Sorry, I'm thinking of a similar incident, or maybe it's the same but told differantly, I don't know. But what I heard is some guy was caught by Canadian border police trying to cross the border in a blood soaked shirt with a hatchet and machete, and they fingerprinted him and let him into the US. About 2 days later he was picked up in Alabama, after they discovered the chopped up remains of his neighbor in his fridge.
Goofball
06-08-2005, 22:39
wait! Sorry, I'm thinking of a similar incident, or maybe it's the same but told differantly, I don't know. But what I heard is some guy was caught by Canadian border police trying to cross the border in a blood soaked shirt with a hatchet and machete, and they fingerprinted him and let him into the US. About 2 days later he was picked up in Alabama, after they discovered the chopped up remains of his neighbor in his fridge.
No, it sounds like you are thinking of the same incident, but have just exchanged the word "American" with "Canadian" to make the story more to your liking.
Kaiser of Arabia
06-08-2005, 23:24
No, it sounds like you are thinking of the same incident, but have just exchanged the word "American" with "Canadian" to make the story more to your liking.
It's what I heard today at school anyway, I dunno who to beleive.
This is one of the reasons I don't like canada.
How can you not like Canada? That's like saying you don't like dogs.
Kaiser of Arabia
06-08-2005, 23:37
How can you not like Canada? That's like saying you don't like dogs.
After you burned down the White House (with the aid of Britain) how can I like Canada? I'm not a forgive and forget type of guy. ~:)
And I don't like all dogs. Only Pitbulls, English Bulldogs, Dobermans, Rottweilers, and German Shepards.
Crazed Rabbit
06-08-2005, 23:39
I don't know about you east coast canadians, but here in Washington we know all (or near enough for all intents and purposes) canadians are terrible drivers. And its even worse when you go into Canada for the day, and they're all around you!. ~;)
Canadians as a people don't seem bad (except for a national liberal syndrome) but I just don't want to be on the freeway with one.
Crazed Rabbit
mercian billman
06-08-2005, 23:53
After you burned down the White House (with the aid of Britain) how can I like Canada? I'm not a forgive and forget type of guy. ~:)
And I don't like all dogs. Only Pitbulls, English Bulldogs, Dobermans, Rottweilers, and German Shepards.
Actually the White House was burned by British Troops, I don't believe Canadians were present.
BTW I hate dogs, I'm a cat guy ~:cool:
Kaiser of Arabia
06-08-2005, 23:55
Actually the White House was burned by British Troops, I don't believe Canadians were present.
BTW I hate dogs, I'm a cat guy ~:cool:
Funny cause almost everytime I have an argument with a Canadian about who's military is better they bring up that they burnt down the White House. I'm so damn confused!
BTW Cats are teh shiznit!
Big King Sanctaphrax
06-09-2005, 00:01
I like big dogs. Little dogs are just like stupid cats.
Steppe Merc
06-09-2005, 00:14
Good lord. I would run as far away as I could at the sight of him. I wonder how one gets their hair like that... or why. But then, I am scared of many people with (to me) disturbing haircuts. But most aren't drenched in blood, and carrying chainsaws.
I like cats, but I like dogs. As long as they aren't small. Cause then they are annoying like dogs and barky, but too small to do anything. I like cats more cause they are nice, but you don't have to walk them, and they are a lot more chill than dogs. I really don't like it when my puppies start to bark at every blessed person walking by my house... my cats never bark at people. That's good.
DemonArchangel
06-09-2005, 00:38
He resembles a member of System of a Down.
Yeah, I saw this story too. The customs guys seized his weapons, detained him, checked for warrants on him in both the US and asked the mounties if he had any in Canada. Having no basis to hold him, they kept his weapons and released him.
Then, after he was well on his way the mounties called back and said 'oh wait, that guy is a person of interest in a murder case'. Oops! So US authorities put out a BOLO for him and he was later picked up.
I'd say he looks more like a member of the Misfits. The part I really dislike about the story is how the killing took place in Minto. Of all the people to kill for no reason, he picks the Maritimers. Sometimes, I think we're too nice.
Yeah, I saw this story too. The customs guys seized his weapons, detained him, checked for warrants on him in both the US and asked the mounties if he had any in Canada. Having no basis to hold him, they kept his weapons and released him.
Then, after he was well on his way the mounties called back and said 'oh wait, that guy is a person of interest in a murder case'. Oops! So US authorities put out a BOLO for him and he was later picked up.
Erm...from the facts(which I gleamed from every news source I came across) it appears that the RCMP did'nt know he was a 'person of interest' until they discovered the 2 murders the following day, after US Border authorities had given him his walking papers the previous day. That was the day he showed up to the border crossing soaked in "blood" and a bag with veritable arsenal inside it.
On being questioned about how this could have happened, Bill Anthony, a spokesman for U.S. Customs and Border Protection had this to say,
"Being bizarre is not a reason to keep somebody out of this country or lock them up. We're governed by laws and regulations, and he did not violate any regulations,"
and
"Our people don't have a crime lab up there. They can't look at a chainsaw and decide if it's blood or rust or red paint,"
Link (http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=88519)
What the hell is going on? I agree with Mr. Anthony, they shouldn't be able to hold him without just cause, but c'mon, they pulled a homemade sword, a hatchet, a knife, brass knuckles and a chain saw stained with what appeared to be blood out of his bag. Your right, big friggin' Oops! Cat-The Peace Train-Morning has Broken-Stevens was given a harder time than this guy. ~:confused: If it hadn't been for the 'Oh wait' RCMP and left up to these border agents, he'd still be walking the streets.
Don't just blame the United States point of entry folks - I have been thru the border several times myself - this guy also walked right by the Canadian Point of Entry border point.
On the day Mr. Despres crossed the border, he was due in a Canadian court to be sentenced on charges of assaulting and threatening to kill Mr. Fulton's son-in-law, Frederick Mowat, last August
And it would seem that the Canadian Mounties failed to inform the United States Border guards that the guy was wanted in court for a criminal matter.
Some are just to quick to point the blame at the United States - when there are two nations involved in the border crossing points.
I'd say he looks more like a member of the Misfits. The part I really dislike about the story is how the killing took place in Minto. Of all the people to kill for no reason, he picks the Maritimers. Sometimes, I think we're too nice.
Yeah he does, Danzig anyone? I was thinking he had the same crazy eyes as the "Runaway Bride", Jennifer Wilbanks.
Hurin_Rules
06-09-2005, 05:00
Dammit, I thought I was going to be the one to point out the Misfits thing. I was going to say something like, "I thought Glen Danzig was in California" or something. :embarassed:
Don't just blame the United States point of entry folks - I have been thru the border several times myself - this guy also walked right by the Canadian Point of Entry border point.
Oh right, it's Canada's responsibilty now to oversee the US border authorities and who it allows into its borders. C'mon get real.
And it would seem that the Canadian Mounties failed to inform the United States Border guards that the guy was wanted in court for a criminal matter.
Some are just to quick to point the blame at the United States - when there are two nations involved in the border crossing points.
That is not correct at all. He was charged with uttering death threats and free on bail, i.e. he hadn't been convicted of anything, so there is nothing to report, especially one that, from what I can gather, is considered criminal harassment. As well, I'm not an expert, but I don't think that the US or Canadian Courts report pending lower court cases to the one anothers Border agencies. But even if we suppose that Canadian authorities had been negligent and not informed the US Border Agency, the guy Still showed up, covered in blood, along with a bag of weapons covered in blood and was still allowed into the US. This must trouble you, if the roles were reversed I'd be pissed.
On a side note, if it hadn't been for a Amercian police woman who put 2 and 2 together, this guy would still be on the loose in the US. ~:)
Link (http://www.patriotledger.com/articles/2005/05/19/opinion/opin01.txt)
Aurelian
06-09-2005, 05:20
My favorite quote:
"Mr. Despres hitchhiked to the border crossing."
Just imagine that scene.
~D
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/07/border.crossing.ap/index.html
Oh lollipop, giving back a blood covered chainsaw ~D ~D ~D
If I looked like that I'd have gone berserk years ago.
Yeesh......
Now that I think about it, you can deport this guy to Syria if you want to.
"U.S. customs agents confiscated the weapons and fingerprinted Mr. Despres.
Then they let him into the United States."
wtf? what kind of idiots work at your costums!?
well, ill be sure to bring my Bastard Sword, my Two-Hander and my Throwing Axes next time ill visit the US :charge:
Voigtkampf
06-09-2005, 13:37
Oh right, it's Canada's responsibilty now to oversee the US border authorities and who it allows into its borders. C'mon get real.
Huh? I don't know what kind of border regulations Canadian have (if any ~D), but I've covered a lot of borders myself, and there are always two border controls; one of the country you are leaving, and one of the country that you are entering. I’m fairly sure it works the same between USA and Canada. Canadians should first check whom they are leaving.
And I’m not saying this to redeem the US border employees. I’m just saying that there are bozos on both sides. ~;)
No checkout line here. You can leave as freely as you want. Until you hit the US line, nobody will take a second look at you.
Don Corleone
06-09-2005, 13:55
Krypta, Lazul & others... did you actually read the article?
They pulled the guy into custody for 2 hours. They did an exhaustive search in every database they could think of, looking for warrants. They called the Candian authorities to see if he was wanted. In short, they did everything they could legally do. They can't just hold him for carrying around weapons and looking scary. Last time I checked, that in itself was not a crime.
It's funny, in one breath, you guys are so quick to jump down the throats of US law enforcement for having no respect for the rights of individuals. Then, when they do, and they follow the existing laws, you're all over them that somehow they should be the amazing Kreskin and somehow just 'know' this guy would be turning up on a wanted list.
Maybe if the Canadian officials had told the border guards this guy was wanted, any of the several times they were asked, this wouldn't have happened.
Or are you guys making the case that people who look unusual and is carrying a knife should be taken into custody until he can prove he's not a criminal?
Or, do we outlaw antique swords, chainsaws and kitchen knives? I guess there's no harm in outlawing antique swords, but it's going to be damned hard to get along in life if everything that could potentially be used as a weapon but wasn't designed to be one (such as a chainsaw, a kitchen knife, or a hammer for that matter) is outlawed. And you say the US is turning into a police state....
Oh and Lazul, I wouldn't try your little trick. The guy in question was a US citizen, which was why they had to release him and allow entry. If he was even Canadian, let alone a crazy Swede ~;) , they could have turned him away. We're not about to allow any modern day Viking raids.
Canadian investigators have linked the boots of a SouthCoast drifter to a "similar" impression left in the rural home where an elderly couple was slain in New Brunswick province, according to court records.
Gregory A. Despres, 22, is charged with beheading an aging country music singer and fatally stabbing the man's wife on the night of April 23.
A federal judge in Boston will decide next month whether the former New Bedford resident, a naturalized U.S. citizen, should be extradited to Canada to face murder charges.
Mr. Despres' lawyer, Michael Andrews, didn't return a call seeking comment. A spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's Office declined to comment.
Reports from investigators in the Royal Canadian Mounted Police said Mr. Despres was a mentally unstable man who spent hours gazing into a mirror and talking to himself, according to his grandparents.
Last year, Mr. Despres had a running dispute with the slain couple, Fred Fulton and Veronica Decarie, at one point accusing them of turning off his water.
"He's going to get us all," the victim's son-in-law told police after a scuffle in August.
A Mattapoisett police officer spotted Mr. Despres wandering along the shoulder of Route 6 just days after the killings and arrested him on an international warrant for skipping a sentencing hearing. The following morning, Mr. Despres told a state judge he was working for NASA and was headed for a Marine base in Kansas.
The killings may have been the culmination of a dispute that started last summer, according to police reports.
Canadian police were dispatched to Mr. Fulton's home last August after Mr. Despres allegedly pointed a bayonet at the chest of Fred Mowat, Mr. Fulton's son-in-law, the report said.
It was not the first time Mr. Despres had quarreled with his neighbors in Minto, a small town about 28 miles east of Fredericton, the provincial capital.
A month earlier, a water well supplying the nearby houses had failed, the report said. Mr. Despres blamed the mishap on Mr. Fulton, family members told police.
While the motive for the killings remains unclear, detectives said Mr. Despres lashed out violently sometime during the night of April 23, the report said.
Police claim the young man approached a side door to the Fulton home, cut the screen with a knife and reached for the doorknob.
Once inside, detectives said, Mr. Despres kicked open a second door and immediately headed to the bedroom, where he stabbed Ms. Decarie several times.
Her husband fled into a bathroom and sought cover by pinning himself between the door and the bathtub, police said.
Detectives suspect Mr. Fulton escaped the bathroom and fled as far as the porch before he was dragged back into the kitchen and beheaded.
His daughter walked into the kitchen on April 26 to find her father's body resting next to a pillowcase containing his head. Hours earlier, Mr. Despres crossed the U.S. border carrying a bloodied chain saw.
I'd say he looks more like a member of the Misfits. The part I really dislike about the story is how the killing took place in Minto. Of all the people to kill for no reason, he picks the Maritimers. Sometimes, I think we're too nice.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/monkian69/misfit.bmp #
We walk the streets at night, we go where eagles dare.... ~D
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/monkian69/misfit.bmp #
Ok now I understand he got through, he is solid snake!!!!
Ok, I think we need to back up here because I think I'm giving the wrong impression.
Don, condesention isn't needed , I read the article. I also read 10 other articles concerning the story, from varying sources. I also tried to look up why, Mr. Dupres was even allowed to cross the border, seeing that he was out on bail.
Maybe if the Canadian officials had told the border guards this guy was wanted, any of the several times they were asked, this wouldn't have happened.
1) The RCMP didn't discover the bodies until the following day, which was the day after he had arrived at the US border and was allowed to pass through. What does this mean, Don? He wasn't wanted. He did, however become wanted after the RCMP discovered the Minto Chainsaw Massacre.
2) "Well, he had been charged with making death threats, why wasn't the US notified of this?". He hadn't been convicted of anything, yet. And as I said before, I don't think pending lower court cases are shared between US/Canadian border authorities. If he had been convicted of the charge of uttering death threats, well then that would be a different story...
Now, back to the impression I may be giving. I'm not trying to turn this thread into a lightening rod of Anti-Americanism, we just talking here. Nobody is trying to fix blame on any countries, at least I'm not, and if I'm giving that impression, then I don't mean too. Do I think that there is some sort of disconnect between the instance of this case and that of others, yeah. Do I think the US border authorities at that particular crossing should have their heads examined, yeah. Do I think all US border crossings are as lax and thus another example of US incompetence, fek no. We can still talk about it and think that it is fekked, without attaching nationality to it. Don't get your knickers in a knot, not everybody is out to get you. ~:)
ehr, Don... sure, maybe its normal in the US to go through customs with chainsaws and home made swords but... there was BLOOD on the chainsaw!
Wouldnt the only reasonable thing to do being call the police? i mean, dont tell me bloody chainsaws are common to? :bow: ~;)
Don Corleone
06-09-2005, 18:28
Lauzl...Yes, it is reasonable to call the police. Which was why THEY DID. The Canadians told the border guards the guy had a clean record.
Krypta, I wasn't trying to be condescending. But honestly, you guys keep going on and on as though the border crossing guards did a shot with the guy, patted him on the back and sent him on his way. In fact, they were trying to keep him, and of course they saw a huge issue with this nutcase and allowing him in.
BUT... let's just assume a scenario that would have appeared identical to the border guards... the guy is something of a naturalist. He used his chainsaw to hack the limbs of a moose he shot. He's on his way back across the border to his home country of the US. They decide 'well, this looks hokey' and throw him in the klink. Days later, the ACLU sues INS for violating the rights of a citizen and illegal detention.
Which is it folks? The INS isn't even allowed to keep illegal immigrants out of the country without the whole Left uniting to scream 'racism', yet this guy, who again, WAS A US CITIZEN WITH NO OUTSTANDING WARRANTS, him they're supposed to detain without cause?
ShadesPanther
06-09-2005, 18:48
An important point is that they didn't have a lab to test if it was human blood.
Obviously they could detain him if it was human blood on a chainsaw.
I see your point, however, I do think they could've perhaps sat on him for a little longer than a mere 2 hours and made sure that the blood stains on his clothes and chainsaw were indeed, not human. In the case of your example, say he was hunting, I would assume he would have some sort of way that he could prove that he was in fact hunting, an antler rank or a hacked limb, whatever. I don't think that your allowed to just come up here, whack a Moose, leave it in the bush and skip back across the border. Ofc, you could say well then, "What if he whacked the couple and then whacked a moose, and then used it for his alibi?" I don't know, but you must acknowledge that it is completely sketchy. Do you think that if he had done this at an airport you would still have the same opinion? Would the hunting trip still be as viable? My point is that it is their job to look for suspicious activity and to act on it and I don't think they did that in this particular case.
Which is it folks? The INS isn't even allowed to keep illegal immigrants out of the country without the whole Left uniting to scream 'racism', yet this guy, who again, WAS A US CITIZEN WITH NO OUTSTANDING WARRANTS, him they're supposed to detain without cause?
And the Right has stood by the detention of individuals without cause/ and due process, for lesser reasons than this. But I'm not gonna argue Left/Right politics, I think it's a shortcut to thinking and isn't the jist of my arguement.
An important point is that they didn't have a lab to test if it was human blood.
Obviously they could detain him if it was human blood on a chainsaw.
No, your right they didn't. But they could've got a sample, without infringing any rights, and sent it to be tested.
Don Corleone
06-09-2005, 20:23
Fair enough, Krypta. And truth be told, I think Bush & AG Gonzalez have been leading the charge in terms of allowing as many people into the country as possible, so it's no longer fair for me to single out the Left in that particular rant.
As far as how long they held him, they claim they thought they were stretching it as it was. I don't argue they could have found..... something... to slow the whole process down. But in truth, they did follow the letter, and you could argue the spirit, of the law.
The part that I don't get is that they mentioned that he appeared to have blood, or red paint, or rust all over his clothes. If they really wanted to hold him, they could have gotten creative and claimed they needed to hold him for a physical, and 'oops', the doctor's car broke down. He should be here in 6 hours.....
bmolsson
06-10-2005, 03:10
Maybe he had diplomatic immunity ??
Ok now I understand he got through, he is solid snake!!!!
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