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Leet Eriksson
06-11-2005, 05:58
Quotes from your favourite... political people from a certain wing.. ~;p
WARNING: OFFENSIVE MATERIAL AHEAD! TREAD WITH CARE!
http://www.reandev.com/taliban/
Personally i found it funny ~D
Meneldil
06-11-2005, 06:17
Wow, quite scary if you ask me.
And we french got mad when Le Pen (our local extrem right guy) says things not even barely as stupid as that. These guys would be put in jail on first sight in France.
Proletariat
06-11-2005, 06:22
At least we can happily say that you are fatter than the snowball's chance in hell a Le Pen would have trying to get elected here.
discovery1
06-11-2005, 06:45
I have found it somewhat disturbing.
Now truechristian.com (http://truechristian.com/) I though was funny.
"I would like to outlaw contraception...contraception is disgusting – people using each other for pleasure."
Funny stuff, until you realize they are serious.
ichi :bow:
Leet Eriksson
06-11-2005, 07:03
This is also a funny parody site:
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/
Some people thought it was serious ~;p
This is also a funny parody site:
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/
Some people thought it was serious ~;p
Yeah, I found the 'Pope's message from hell' particularly humorous... especially the part about how being sodomized by demons doesn't really bother him too much. ~:rolleyes:
Quotes from your favourite... political people from a certain wing.. ~;p
WARNING: OFFENSIVE MATERIAL AHEAD! TREAD WITH CARE!
http://www.reandev.com/taliban/
Personally i found it funny ~D
Hehe. Only one who shouldn't be there is George Bush Jnr. You just know he sleeps through Church.
Productivity
06-11-2005, 10:11
So there are right wing american nutters? I can probably find some left wing american nutters as well. Probably some UAE right win nutters, and some UAE left wing nutters...
What it comes down to is the country as an agregate, and while the US may be more right wing than Europe, these people in my opionion are not hugely representative of the US as a whole.
InsaneApache
06-11-2005, 10:17
At first I thought they were joking, then I realised they were serious...wow ~:eek:
Interesting that John Ashcroft was the most reasonable.
Yep, I read this stuff and I just fall to my knees and beg to be a Conservative.
:saint: "Please Lord, can I be one of them too? Can I wear a bow tie and tell everyone else how much I hate everyone else?"
that Ann Coulter really is one creepy person... ~:eek:
Tribesman
06-11-2005, 11:27
"Not all Muslims may be terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims."
Maybe Ann Coulter should get back in the kitchen and shut up like some of the other people quoted on that site believe women should do . ~D
"When science and the Bible differ, science has obviously misinterpreted its data."
Nice to see a picture of Navaros in real life ~;)
Samurai Waki
06-11-2005, 11:45
I couldn't even read the whole thing... dumbasses.
My Left Wing Quote of the day will be
"If Sodomy is a crime worse than murder, then we have all been sodomised by the Government" ~;)
Ser Clegane
06-11-2005, 12:54
Just a comment from my side - no matter from which "political camp" you come, please keep in mind that faisal appparently posted the links pretty much tongue in cheek, so hopefully this will not be taken as an opportunity for bashing and/or flaming any country/religeous group.
Thanks :bow:
Ser Clegane
Steppe Merc
06-11-2005, 14:51
"Today's children... They're damned. They're gone."
All the more reason to have as much fun now, since I'm screwed anyway! ~:cheers: ~:smoking:
The Wizard
06-11-2005, 14:56
"With all due respect to those dear people, my friend, God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew."
If FDR'd lived, and could've gotten up out of his wheelchair, I bet he'd have personally strangled this man. Foul antisemite.
Especially that Ann Coulter is scary. But also funny, since, if her 'values' were instituted, she'd be sent on a beeline straight to the kitchen, never to come out again, with the exception of producing offspring. :]
~Wiz
Devastatin Dave
06-11-2005, 15:01
Just a comment from my side - no matter from which "political camp" you come, please keep in mind that faisal appparently posted the links pretty much tongue in cheek, so hopefully this will not be taken as an opportunity for bashing and/or flaming any country/religeous group.
Thanks :bow:
Ser Clegane
Amazing what is allowed to be posted in the Guild here and what is not... I've seen enough. Have a good life everyone.
You too! ~:wave:
Where ya moving too? Canada?
Ouch, that's quite... extreme. I couldn't bring myself to read them all. Among those I've read the worst ones probably are Jerry Falwell and Fred Phelps ("Not only is homosexuality a sin, but anyone who supports fags is just as guilty as they are. You are both worthy of death.") ~:eek:
The funniest has to be Henry Morris with a memorable: "When science and the Bible differ, science has obviously misinterpreted its data."
Brilliant stuff. How conservatism became entangled with theocracy is beyond me, but it's clearly unhealthy for all involved -- and everybody uninvolved. There can be no innocent bystanders when the theocrats are running the show. I particularly liked the guy talking about "We don't want pluralism," almost a direct quote from a guy named Adolf.
I assume everyone's familiar with the Taliban-esque spoutings of the Westboro Baptist Church? (http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/index.html) Another fine place to read the rantings of intolerant theocrats.
Says it all about a certain strand of political thought progressing more and more into mainstream US politics. It is disturbing.
Don Corleone
06-11-2005, 16:33
You too! ~:wave:
Where ya moving too? Canada?
No, I think he's quitting the guild. Read his post in the Conservative Club.
Hopefully, he'll calm down. Of course you can find quotes making those on the right look like jackasses. The thing is, it's even easier to do with the Left. Just turn on the news.
Productivity
06-11-2005, 17:02
Some of that Westboro Church stuff is really disgusting. Picketing a funeral of a soldier killed in Iraq by an IED? Freedom of speach and all I know, but surely there must be some common decency involved?
All these people ranting about Satanism...Nazis were Satanists? I would say "unbelivable", but I guess they believe it..
No, I think he's quitting the guild. Read his post in the Conservative Club.
Hopefully, he'll calm down. Of course you can find quotes making those on the right look like jackasses. The thing is, it's even easier to do with the Left. Just turn on the news.
If he is quitting because some people on his side of the political spectrum are crazed loons, he really has lost his legendary sense of humour.
Don Corleone
06-11-2005, 17:44
He's offended that you guys are putting them up there essentially saying "This is what the Right is all about". I think he's wrong to quit, but there's a difference between a joke & slander. I'm not quite sure where this thread falls.
Ser Clegane
06-11-2005, 18:00
but there's a difference between a joke & slander. I'm not quite sure where this thread falls.
One could certainly see it as bordering on the latter. However, looking at the post that started this thread I do not have the impression that it was meant to slander conservatives in general.
It also seems to me that most people who posted here realize that these quotes (and a good number of the people who the quotes are taken from) are rather extreme cases of the right wing.
I think dgb summarized the situation quite well:
So there are right wing american nutters? I can probably find some left wing american nutters as well. Probably some UAE right win nutters, and some UAE left wing nutters...
What it comes down to is the country as an agregate, and while the US may be more right wing than Europe, these people in my opionion are not hugely representative of the US as a whole.
Personally, I do not believe that posting these quotes is on par with posting of e.g., Coulter articles, of which conservatives (probably rightfully) point out that they should not be taken too seriously - after they notice that they caused the intended feather-ruffling of the left-wing faction of the Backroom.
These quotes are good for a jolly good laugh - and hopefully people here are mature enougj to realize that such quotes are by no means a very good indicator to judge a country's politics in general.
Don Corleone
06-11-2005, 18:10
I don't think the thread was started as anything other than a good laugh, and I'm sorry if my last post left folks with then intention that I didn't get that. But there's a certain tone to the follow ups, and a lack of balance, that you can almost see folks seething and nodding and saying "Yeah, that's how Christians are...yeah they're all like that". Maybe I'm reading too much into it, I don't know. I actually found the webpage itself a little enlightening, and many of the quotes listed I see no problems with, and was surprised they were being offered up as evidence of what a bunch of crackpots those of us on the Right are.
Anyway, as they say, the criticisms you feel are the ones that sting the most. Clearly, there's more than a touch of truth, and I do find it interesting to compare that webpage to the ones we frequently being posted about 'what they're saying in Friday prayers in the mosques', which I believe was Faisal's point with this thread in the first place. I for one will have to tuck this aside as a dose of reality and quit paying lip service to 'there's crackpots on all sides' and own up to the truth of it and perhaps give Islam a little bit more of a break.
And just to prove I can take a joke, I'm going to bring up my personal favorite line that I'm astonished nobody has posted so far...
"If you got to castrate your miserable self with a piece of rusty barbed wire then, do it". This is priceless.
Ser Clegane
06-11-2005, 18:20
But there's a certain tone to the follow ups, and a lack of balance, that you can almost see folks seething and nodding and saying "Yeah, that's how Christians are...yeah they're all like that"
This is certainly the case ... this is what we certainly see quite often here in the Backroom. Some extreme views of members of certain political/religeous/whatever group are taken and people have a jolly good time seeing their worst prejudices confirmed.
Business as usual - some laughs at the expense of others, some feathers (understandably ruffled). Next time it will be the other way around again.
As long as people do not take it too seriously, start flaming or use the extreme examples to make sweeping judgements it's acceptable.
... if things get out of hands I will have to tase you ~D (this is a more general "you", not directed at you in particular, Don ~;) )
EDIT:
"If you got to castrate your miserable self with a piece of rusty barbed wire then, do it".
That is indeed "sig-material" ~D
doc_bean
06-11-2005, 19:24
"Rail as they will about 'discrimination,' women are simply not endowed by nature with the same measures of single-minded ambition and the will to succeed in the fiercely competitive world of Western capitalism." -Pat B.
I kind of agree with him ~:eek:
But I think it says more about the stupidity of men than anything about women.
"Rail as they will about 'discrimination,' women are simply not endowed by nature with the same measures of single-minded ambition and the will to succeed in the fiercely competitive world of Western capitalism." -Pat B.
I kind of agree with him ~:eek:
But I think it says more about the stupidity of men than anything about women.
I've met plenty of scarily single-minded women.
Although I agree with men being stupid too.
Leet Eriksson
06-11-2005, 22:59
Ser Clegane thanks for explaining :bow: Yes its a tongue-in-cheek attempt, even though they were serious, i found it funny. I did not mean to offend anyone sorry again :bow:
Well, they were funny at first, but it became sad and then just aggravating as I worked my way down the list..
Tribesman
06-12-2005, 08:37
Amazing what is allowed to be posted in the Guild here and what is not...
Oh dear , a little oversensitive I think .
I mean its not like the site contains made up quotes is it ?
Hell , they could have come up with some even better ones without resorting to fabrication .
I was surprised Neal Horsley wasn't included on the site , I mean its not every day you get a right wing religeous nut on national radio telling everyone its normal to have sex with farmyard animals is it ? Well he did add that its normal in Georgia until you become a born again Christian .
So everyone get together and re-embrace Christ so you don't have to copulate with a Mule anymore . ~D
Ser Clegane
06-12-2005, 09:29
:stop: No baiting please
What about fishing?
What about just sitting in the boat with a six-pack wondering where your life is going?
Anyway, I find it very funny that after scores of posts alluding to liberals (for any reason whatsoever) as the dumbest people on Earth, a few quotes are posted showing the fringe idiocy of conservatism and the some of the Bush crowd go ape. (But not ape as in Darwinian evolution ape to man transformation, more ape as in the individual and unique species created by God during the Seven days.)
S-e-n-s-i-t-i-v-i-t-y. It's for women. It doesn't look good on the "Let's go to war!" crowd.
What about fishing?
What about just sitting in the boat with a six-pack wondering where your life is going?
Anyway, I find it very funny that after scores of posts alluding to liberals (for any reason whatsoever) as the dumbest people on Earth, a few quotes are posted showing the fringe idiocy of conservatism and the some of the Bush crowd go ape. (But not ape as in Darwinian evolution ape to man transformation, more ape as in the individual and unique species created by God during the Seven days.)
S-e-n-s-i-t-i-v-i-t-y. It's for women. It doesn't look good on the "Let's go to war!" crowd.
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ~D
game....set...match.....3-0....best post in the last 2 weeks easy
Beirut comes in and slays the oposition ~D
ToranagaSama
06-12-2005, 15:52
"We are engaged in a social, political, and cultural war. There's a lot of talk in America about pluralism. But the bottom line is somebody's values will prevail. And the winner gets the right to teach our children what to believe."
Gary Bauer's comments above appear to be quite real. One side or the other will prevail; or, some accomodative *split* will eventually be negotiated. Neither side of the *cultural* war is going to subside to the other. War or negotiation is the only option. No?
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All of the comments on that Propaganda Page were taken out of context. Beyond that it must be admitted that most of the comments were made for *effect* more than anything else (Propaganda).
Though, the one quote that truly seem frightening (according to the site) was made by Gary Potter:
"When the Christian majority takes over this country, there will be no satanic churches, no more free distribution of pornography, no more talk of rights for homosexuals. After the Christian majority takes control, pluralism will be seen as immoral and evil and the state will not permit anybody the right to practice evil."
Absolute Totalitarianism!!!
Oh and this one by Randall Terry:
"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a biblical duty, we are called by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."
"Our goal must be simple. We must have a Christian nation built on God's law, on the ten Commandments. No apologies."
"I don't think Christians should use birth control. You consummate your marriage as often as you like – and if you have babies, you have babies."
"When I, or people like me, are running the country, you'd better flee, because we will find you, we will try you, and we'll execute you. I mean every word of it. I will make it part of my mission to see to it that they are tried and executed."*
"There is going to be war, [and Christians may be called to] take up the sword to overthrow the tyrannical regime that oppresses them."
Nazism!
"The demise of our community and culture is the fault of sissified men who have been overly influenced by women." Tony Evans
Never a truer statement. Even Arnold knows about the "Girly Men"!
All of the comments on that Propaganda Page were taken out of context. Beyond that it must be admitted that most of the comments were made for *effect* more than anything else (Propaganda).
Um, a few of those quotes came from speeches and/or articles I have actually read. Some of them are not "out of context," if by that you mean "not representative of the overall message and tone of the speech." Some of the quotes are bang-on representative of what the speaker was going on about.
Take the Lt. General's quote about G.W. Bush being anointed by God -- that's not some slip-up or minor aside or crowd-pleasing bit of fluff. That was the point of that segment of his speech. If you flesh it out with all of his surrounding comments, it gets scarier, not saner. He had some lovely stuff about how he prevailed in combat because his God was real and the other guy's God was a pagan idol, and how G.W.B. didn't get the majority of votes but won anyway, and how this proves that the Divine intervened in American politics to make sure the right man won, etc., etc., etc.
I certainly haven't read/heard everything from that page, but the few speeches I was already familiar with match up quite nicely. The propoganda effect you're referring to comes more from seeing them all lined up neatly with each other, making explicit what was implicit.
Very funny stuff, very funny indeed. Faisal, you're a treasure for having found this site.
I have found it somewhat disturbing.
Now truechristian.com (http://truechristian.com/) I though was funny.
This one is so extreme that I'm wondering whether that's a parody site or not. Is it?
Nonetheless I learned that in at least 7 states (Arkansas, Maryland, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Tennessee and last but not least Texas), atheists are considered second-class citizens and denied the right to hold any office (written in their constitutions). And I thought China was the worst country to live in...
Gawain of Orkeny
06-12-2005, 17:49
Nonetheless I learned that in at least 7 states (Arkansas, Maryland, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Tennessee and last but not least Texas), atheists are considered second-class citizens and denied the right to hold any office (written in their constitutions). And I thought China was the worst country to live in...
Yes we are much worse off here than the people of China LOL. How many times do I have to tell you that the US was formed by Christains as a Christian nation. They didnt even consider other religions. Their concern was christians oppressing other christains. Many of the representitives to the signing of the Constitution had to acknowledge they were christains before even being allowed to attend. This christianity that you all bash so much is directly responsible for america having the type of government it has.
How many times do I have to tell you that the US was formed by Christains as a Christian nation. They didnt even consider other religions. Their concern was christians oppressing other christains. Many of the representitives to the signing of the Constitution had to acknowledge they were christains before even being allowed to attend. This christianity that you all bash so much is directly responsible for america having the type of government it has.
I didn't attend your last lesson, thank you for repeating again ~;)
Yes we are much worse off here than the people of China LOL
Perhaps that doesn't disturb you as a Christian (if you are) that you're forced to follow Christianity to be considered a full citizen, but I'd rather turn into a communist rather than convert to any religion (I've blasphemed, I think). In my opinion, this is not much better than the Islamic Law.
Christ would spin in his grave if he heard these guys proclaiming the right to hate, and kill, and impose their brand of morality on all of us.
Jesus taught a message of love and peace and forgiveness
This christianity that you all bash so much is directly responsible for america having the type of government it has.
I wouldn't bash Christianity; this hate-filled demagogery is no more Christian than the hate-filled rhetoric that comes from terrorists is Islamic. This is a bastardization, a perversion of religion, and has nothing to do with the Christianity of our founding fathers.
ichi :bow:
Tribesman
06-12-2005, 19:07
This christianity that you all bash so much is directly responsible for america having the type of government it has.
So since this topic is about crazy fundamentalist Christians you are saying that it is the crazies who are responsible for your current government ~;)
oh of course it must be ,some of those nutters are the current government ~D
Or is Ichi more accurate when viewing this topic ?
this hate-filled demagogery is no more Christian than the hate-filled rhetoric that comes from terrorists is Islamic. This is a bastardization, a perversion of religion, and has nothing to do with the Christianity of our founding fathers.
Christ would spin in his grave
He ain't in there Ichi he rose again .
Meneldil
06-12-2005, 20:22
This christianity that you all bash so much is directly responsible for america having the type of government it has.
What a great governement that allows some states to consider non christians as second rate citizens...
Seriously, I'm quite hope that these people don't represent a large part of US population. Some of their speech sounds like a weird nazi ideology.
And well, I haven't read anything from your founding fathers, but I seriously doubt they were as dumb as that. What they are saying has nothing in common with christianity.
How many times do I have to tell you that the US was formed by Christains as a Christian nation. They didnt even consider other religions. Their concern was christians oppressing other christains. Many of the representitives to the signing of the Constitution had to acknowledge they were christains before even being allowed to attend. This christianity that you all bash so much is directly responsible for america having the type of government it has.
"America: NOT a Christian Nation!" (http://fcos.us/america.html)
Proletariat
06-12-2005, 21:12
What a great governement that allows some states to consider non christians as second rate citizens...
For being from a country as sensitive as yours is, this is a truly idiotic statement.
Steppe Merc
06-12-2005, 22:43
What a great governement that allows some states to consider non christians as second rate citizens...
Seriously, I'm quite hope that these people don't represent a large part of US population. Some of their speech sounds like a weird nazi ideology.
I'm almost certaint aethists and non Christians are officially "second class citizens" in these nutters wet dreams...
And they aren't a large amount. They are the very loud, very vocal, very scary minority.
How many times do I have to tell you that the US was formed by Christains as a Christian nation.
Our founding fathers were also really into that whole enlightenment thing. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Age_of_Enlightenment) A philosophy which would not fit at all comfortably next to current theocon dogma.
The Spain of Philip II was a Christian nation. Elizabeth's England was a Christian nation. Hannover Germany was Christian. All of the various principates, duchies and frothy little European semi-countries were Christian. None resembled the United States.
But as we all know, Gawain, you feel that the Christianity of the founding fathers was a crucial (if not defining) factor in how America got put together. And you've never spared a kind word for the Enlightenment. Thoughtless, Gawain, and cruel of you. Philosophical movements have feelings, don't they?
doc_bean
06-12-2005, 23:48
Seriously, I'm quite hope that these people don't represent a large part of US population. Some of their speech sounds like a weird nazi ideology.
Let's be fair, every country has its nutters that get a surprising amount of the country behind them *cough*LePen*cough*.
How many times do I have to tell you that the US was formed by Christains as a Christian nation
Some of the founding fathers were Christians, of course. A few were even in their respective clergies(sp?) but the most important founders were if any form of Christian, Unitarian, with others being, deists, nontheists, agnostics, ect.
But don't just take my word for it, take them at their word and at their action.
Jefferson:
-Thomas Jefferson rewrote the Bible (it can be found as The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth or as The Jefferson Bible), this version removed all miracles and ends with Jesus dying. Jesus is portrayed as a man worthy of respect but also as a human which contradicts any church teachings.
-"I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth." -letter to William Short
-“The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God.”
-“It is not to be understood that I am with him [Jesus] in all his doctrines. I am a Materialist.”
-Christianity neither is, nor ever was apart of the common law. Feb. 10, 1814 (US law is based on English Common Law).
-"He referred to the Revelation of St. John as "the ravings of a maniac""
-Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear. -letter to Peter Carr
-"The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes; fools and hypocrites. To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical."
George Washington:
-Never took communion, nor did he belong to a Church
-Did not ask for clergy at his deathbed
-every man "ought to be protected in worshipping the Deity according to the dictates of his own conscience."
-"If they are good workmen, they may be from Asia, Africa or Europe; they may be Mahometans, Jews, Christians of any sect, or they may be Atheists.... "
-He never once mentioned religion as President
-at his death his friend Dr. Abercrombie said "Sir, Washington was a deist"
John Adams
-The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity.
-The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion. Treaty of Tripoli
-“Nothing is more dreaded than the national government meddling with religion.”
-“It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service [formation of the American governments] had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven...”
-Adams admitted his unbelief of Protestant Calvinism: "I must acknowledge that I cannot class myself under that denomination."
Tom Paine:
-It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible.
-The Christian church has set up a religion of pomp and revenue in pretended imitation of a person (Jesus) who lived a life of poverty.
- "I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my church. "
James Madison:
-"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."
-"What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not."
Ben Franklin:
-“Some volumes against Deism fell into my hands. They were said to be the substance of sermons preached at Boyle’s Lecture. It happened that they produced on me an effect precisely the reverse of what was intended by the writers; for the arguments of the Deists, which were cited in order to be refuted, appealed to me much more forcibly than the refutation itself. In a word, I soon became a thorough Deist.”
-As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion...has received various corrupting Changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his Divinity; tho' it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the Truth with less trouble."
Sources:
http://www.postfun.com/pfp/worbois.html
http://monotheism.us/#GUS-2-3
http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/ffnc/
http://earlyamerica.com/review/summer97/secular.html
http://www.anotherperspective.org/advoc550.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington#Religious_beliefs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson#Religious_views
Divinus Arma
06-13-2005, 01:35
Of course you can find quotes making those on the right look like jackasses. The thing is, it's even easier to do with the Left. Just turn on the news.
LOLOLOL. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!
YAYRRGGHHH!!! !!!!!
Christ would spin in his grave
He ain't in there Ichi he rose again .
Are you sure, 'cause I'm thinking you've got him confused with Elvis
Kaiser of Arabia
06-13-2005, 02:47
WTF? That's a list of good Americans!
Whoever wrote that should be imprisoned forever, in fact, I think they can be.
Here's some Evil American Quotes!
"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it." - John Adams
"I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious ideas of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God." - Thomas Edision
"The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma." - Abe Lincoln
"All thinking men are atheists." - Ernest Hemmingway (he lived in America lol)
"I condemn false prophets, I condemn the effort to take away the power of rational decision, to drain people of their free will--and a hell of a lot of money in the bargain. Religions vary in their degree of idiocy, but I reject them all. For most people, religion is nothing more than a substitute for a malfunctioning brain." - Gene Roddenberry
"It is said that men may not be the dreams of the Gods, but rather that the Gods are the dreams of men." - Carl Sagan
"Organized religion is a sham and a crutch for weak-minded people who need strength in numbers. It tells people to go out and stick their noses in other people's business." - Jesse Ventura
"Not only is God dead, but just try to find a plumber on weekends." - Woody Allen
"The good part of Christmas is not always Christian -- it is generally Pagan; that is to say, human, natural." - Robert G. Ingersoll
"All natural institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." - Thomas Paine
Now that I have offended every sensable person here, I rest my case.
Kaiser of Arabia
06-13-2005, 02:55
oh yalls want a good christian site check out the greatest American Political party...EVER
http://falangist.com/
"The good part of Christmas is not always Christian -- it is generally Pagan; that is to say, human, natural." - Robert G. Ingersoll
I've never heard of Ingersoll, but I like him already.
Tribesman
06-13-2005, 08:07
Our organization has no ties or connection whatsoever to the Spanish Falange nor any other neo-Nazi / anti-Democratic groups who use the name Falange or Falangist.
Nice site Capo , though that opening statement of theirs is a little strange as they carry a link to supporters of LF . But maybe the LF have changed as Jumblatt is (after the latest election results) saying they are now a pro Assad group since Aoun returned from exile ~:confused:
I've never heard of Ingersoll, but I like him already.
If you seek other excellent quotes I suggest you visit this website (http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/8666/hat_quotes.html)
Unfortunately, some quotes are a little too offensive (too true, in fact) to be displayed here. I'll paste a few though:
Sir Francis Bacon..."The trinitarian believes a virgin to be the mother of a son who is her maker."
Thomas Jefferson..."I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded upon fables and mythologies."
Thomas Edison..."I cannot believe in the immortality of the soul....No, all this talk of an existence beyond the grave is wrong. It is born of our tenacity of life---our desire to go on living---our dread of coming to an end. "
Samurai Waki
06-13-2005, 08:33
I love these anti-christian/Religious guys!
Actually though, being agnostic (with a very strong Catholic background) I have to say, if both sides should just take a moment and shut up and listen to themselves and to the other side, we'd all realize that humans are just innately retarded when it comes to personal philosophy and spirituality.
Like the Best Proverb Goes : "Opinions are like assholes, everyones got one."
InsaneApache
06-13-2005, 08:45
Funny, I never thought of Americas founding fathers as religious at all. Rather a product of the Enlightenment and the Age of Man. If the posts above are anything to go by I would guess that my assumption was right.
It does seem rather odd that the Christ message has been twisted and warped in such a manner. Perhaps there are ulterior motives behind this type of rhetoric, it certainly doesn't sound like any 'message' from the Son of God that I ever encountered. It seems part of the problem is that these 'people' dont follow Christs teachings at all, but rather they seem to follow the Judean model of a vengeful and spiteful God...an eye for an eye etc, etc....rather than loving thy neighbour and turning the other cheek. After all a lot of what Christ is purported to have taught is very good karma for those who can practise it.
I suppose that as long as some people feel the need to control others, then this sort of thing will occur.
I like your proverb Wazikashi :bow:
Religion and Politics should be far far away from each other! That is one of the basics of democracy.
That being said it is my oppinion that anyone has the right to believe in what ever they want, and nobody has the right to criticise that person as long as he shut the hell up and dont ram his Faith down the throut of evryone ells.
After reading the Da Vinci Code (Yes! I KNOW ITS NOT 100% CORRECT!) my personal faith have changed from being agnostic to be a bit pagan-like. I believe that every human should view the sexuality of the human being as sacred, be it between a Man and a Woman, a Woman and a Woman and so on, that doesnt matter!
My god is the nature itself and I pray to her throgh sexual acts. :bow:
man I sound like some really weird pagan madman hahah
cheers ~:cheers:
PanzerJaeger
06-13-2005, 16:44
It doesnt surprise me this thread was posted by someone living in the UAE. ALLAH AKBAR!! ~:rolleyes:
Goofball
06-13-2005, 17:17
I don't think the thread was started as anything other than a good laugh, and I'm sorry if my last post left folks with then intention that I didn't get that. But there's a certain tone to the follow ups, and a lack of balance, that you can almost see folks seething and nodding and saying "Yeah, that's how Christians are...yeah they're all like that".
This is kind of a tough thread to post in without offending anybody.
I can see how moderate conservatives/Christians would be offended by this entire thread, because I would think (hope) that most of you are just as afraid of some of the beliefs being spouted in the link (i.e. AIDS from God, women shouldn't vote, etc...) as us lefties are. And if I were you, I wouldn't want to be painted with the same brush with those freaks either. It would be like a conservative saying that NAMBLA represents mainstream north American liberal values (although, I have heard that very thing hinted at in here before).
The scary thing for me was that many of the people quoted in that link actually do hold positions of power and influence in mainstream America.
It doesnt surprise me this thread was posted by someone living in the UAE. ALLAH AKBAR!! ~:rolleyes:
Nor does it surprise me that you would pick that out while alluding to the person's religious beliefs in an obviously demeaning way.
It doesnt surprise me this thread was posted by someone living in the UAE. ALLAH AKBAR!! ~:rolleyes:
and.... it doesnt suprise You posted something like this. ~;p
Templar Knight
06-13-2005, 19:14
It doesn't surprise me that this thread - which was meant to be tongue in cheek - went down the pan ~:handball:
Steppe Merc
06-13-2005, 20:06
Agreed Templar. I figured it would get nasty from both people of the political specrtum.
...my personal faith have changed from being agnostic to be a bit pagan-like. [...] be it between a Man and a Woman, a Woman and a Woman and so on, that doesnt matter!
My god is the nature itself and I pray to her throgh sexual acts.
~:cheers: A most sensible Norseman if there ever was one.
PanzerJaeger
06-13-2005, 20:36
Nor does it surprise me that you would pick that out while alluding to the person's religious beliefs in an obviously demeaning way.
Do you fail to grasp the irony in your own words or are you being coy? ~:confused:
Alexander the Pretty Good
06-13-2005, 23:32
This is kind of a tough thread to post in without offending anybody.
I can see how moderate conservatives/Christians would be offended by this entire thread, because I would think (hope) that most of you are just as afraid of some of the beliefs being spouted in the link (i.e. AIDS from God, women shouldn't vote, etc...) as us lefties are. And if I were you, I wouldn't want to be painted with the same brush with those freaks either. It would be like a conservative saying that NAMBLA represents mainstream north American liberal values (although, I have heard that very thing hinted at in here before).
The scary thing for me was that many of the people quoted in that link actually do hold positions of power and influence in mainstream America.
You are right, Goof. I think the majority of the people on that site are wackos or nuts.
Though I don't know for sure, I suspect that the wackiness of the quotes are indirectly proportional to the amount of influence they have. IE the worst quotes come from people I've never heard of.
And anyone who doesn't support military vets isn't conservative in my book. Neither are white supremacists. They also aren't Christians. And Joe MacCarthy is dead for goodness sake!
I found this little comment by the site to be kind of insightful.
Interesting perspective coming from someone who's President was appointed by a group of "unelected judges", thus overturning a democratic election.
They obviously haven't grasped what happened in Florida.
"If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual [Gay] sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything!" - Rick Santorum
He's right.
That quote from Savage has made me change my opinion of him. I knew he was edgy from a book he wrote, but. That just takes the cake. :help:
Funny stuff, until you realize they are serious.
ichi :bow:
Right, this is the kind of stuff you would expect from cartoons, not political leaders
Papewaio
06-14-2005, 04:54
This is why we have democracies, so that we can get rid of the pollies.
People are entitled to their opinions. What I disagree with in a multiculutural society is forcing your opinion on others. Some of those quoted stated that they would force particular ideas on others. Others quoted had differences of opinion but no malice to make others believe what they believed.
On the whole though it is a good thing to read and then to put into context. A small sample of quotes from a small section of society can make you upset/angry/laugh but at the same time you probably realise this is not the normal behaviour for that society. It then also informs us of the very limited information we get from media sound bites, our opinions on other societies that we are not very familiar with will be very quickly based on a small selection of information. We can quickly have our emotions lead down a certain path as the media plays up a story.
Caesar may have beat a drum, the modern media has a symphony orchestra to lead us along.
I can see how moderate conservatives/Christians would be offended by this entire thread, because I would think (hope) that most of you are just as afraid of some of the beliefs being spouted in the link (i.e. AIDS from God, women shouldn't vote, etc...) as us lefties are. Afraid? Not really.. disgusted by some maybe, I don't think any of the kooks quoted are a threat. They and their followers are few in number and the majority of Americans see them for what they are.
The scary thing for me was that many of the people quoted in that link actually do hold positions of power and influence in mainstream America.
I suspect that the wackiness of the quotes are indirectly proportional to the amount of influence they have. I'm with him on that.
Ser Clegane
06-14-2005, 08:12
After some of the recent posts (I am not referring to the very last ones) it seems that this thread reached the end of it's life-cycle and is starting to take the first steps into a direction we probably to not want to explore further.
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