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I know for certain that I am going to buy BI whether they fix the bugs or not, but hopefully they`re going to fix the load savegame bug as that`s a dreadful one, but all the other bugs are just minor ones and I can easily live with `em. ~:)
UglyandHasty
06-13-2005, 18:50
For the first time since TW serie is out, i will to see the comment on this forum before buying the game. If the major bugs like the save bug are not solve, i wont buy it. If CA have done their homework, i'll buy it, i'm addicted. Darn !
Mongoose
06-13-2005, 18:51
I no longer trust the reviews from gamespot/gamespy, i will read afew on the .org before buying.
Brave Sir Robin
06-13-2005, 19:22
I will buy it regardless of bugs/reviews. There are always going to be bugs of some sort, i just hope more so on the minor rather than major scale. Anyway we are lucky that there are people out there with the patience/skill to enhance the game the paid programmers create. Thank you modders i appreciate the hard work.
Anyway enough arse kissing, (or being a bloke shouldn't it just be a firm hand shake - hand to hand that is), wouldn't people be disappointed without any bugs? The amount of posts would shrink overnight!
By buying BI it would save you from spending anymore time with the (delete where appropriate) family/partner/schoolwork/college work/university work/the gym/crap TV/the gardening/DIY/conversation in general/sleep/and generally life as we know it Jim ~:)
ToranagaSama
06-13-2005, 20:57
Are you the BSR of BloodThirsty fame?
If so, then gentlemen we have a Master Modder in our midst.
I'm definitely letting others be the guineau pig/early adopter this time around. Marked contrast to my behavior with the previous title's expansion pack, I ran to the store and bought Viking Invasion the day it was released!
Anyway, there's no way I'm going to fork over $30-35 for RTW:BI if the AI isn't markedly improved over 1.2.
scorillo
06-13-2005, 21:32
i will buy this game no mather the AI or bugs will be.....OK....now someone please tell me what faction BI will have ..i know..
western romans
eastern romans
alemanni
goths
huns
sassanid empire
sarmatian
vandals
saxons
franks
Just these ??? that`s all ?.....or it will be other factions beside these 10 ?
HELP me understand.Cheers!
Barbarian_King
06-13-2005, 22:25
Come on guys.
Rome isnt that bad.
BI is like the second part of the story. Personally I am looking forward to BI.
~:cheers:
i will buy this game no mather the AI or bugs will be.....OK....now someone please tell me what faction BI will have ..i know..
western romans
eastern romans
alemanni
goths
huns
sassanid empire
sarmatian
vandals
saxons
franks
Just these ??? that`s all ?.....or it will be other factions beside these 10 ?
HELP me understand.Cheers!
Yes, there are also rumors of Romano-britons and pagan celts in the British isles. Also Ostrogoths and Visigoths, these are one of their new faction emergence plots. Likely if you as the western empire leave Britian around 400 AD it could spark the emergence of the Romano-British.
Also I'm going to be in EB with bells on the day after BI is released. The day after the release date is usually when EB gets new games.
Brave Sir Robin
06-14-2005, 00:22
Are you the BSR of BloodThirsty fame?
If so, then gentlemen we have a Master Modder in our midst.
No sorry i am Brave Sir Robin of bugger all fame, except in my own head, or unless you include my inane ability to nearly match up all my socks after washing (why is there always a rogue one that doesn't seem to have a partner?) or the fact that i suggested during my time travelling days:
Ceasar, "beware of the ides of march" what the frig? ignore that soothsayer prick, what does he know? It'll be ok, Brutus is there anyway, he'll look after you.
Jesus, that Judas bloke is the one disciple you can rely on.
Montezuma, those Spanish seem like men we can trust.
Maria Antoinette, tell those scruffy buggers "let them eat cake" they'll love you for it.
Heh Nappy Boney man, invade Russia it'll be a piece of piss.
JFK, its sunny and warm go for the open top car.
Hanna and Barbera why don't you bring in a comical little nephew for Scooby Doo?
George why don't you make the Ja Ja Binks character an integral part in the first film?
To most world leaders- global warming - don't worry, doesn't everyone like the sun?
NimbleNota
06-14-2005, 00:28
Also I'm going to be in EB with bells on the day after BI is released. The day after the release date is usually when EB gets new games.
I might see you there Mainlainder ~:cheers:
I am buying it for sure. Hopefully the bugs will be fixed. The new game looks awesome. East rome, good barbarians and civil wars its gonna be great regardless of bugs. Also with no senate and the new features such as the horde civ move thing, will open many modding possiblities hopefully. Also most mods will probably move over to BI, if VI is any example, I remember VI added tons of new modding oppurtunities and since CA has promised better modding support I have high hopes for BI. ~:cheers:
I might see you there Mainlainder ~:cheers:
Bloody capers. ~:cheers:
Franconicus
06-14-2005, 07:10
Of course. I am looking forward to play brand new campaigns with brand new factions, brand ne units, brand new features. And I am sure I'll have a great time with my friends in the org. - Pez, The Hun, IliaDN, Viking, Katank ... ~:cheers:
I'll definitely wait till I read a few objective reviews here, TWcenter and .com before I commit to buying BI.
For me the expansion itself is far less important than a corrected siege AI amongst other AI tweaks.
Sid_Quibley
06-14-2005, 10:21
Think Ill wait till it hits the bargain bins,unless I see rave reviews from "respected" posters here.
Of course I buy. This is better times for me the new factions will add much. I look forward to seeing new campaign features (and Attila of course)
Colovion
06-16-2005, 10:56
I'll probably do the same thing I did with the demo and the full release.
Hear the first few people to play it rave. A few minor complaints. Mostly avid fandom though. Buy it.
Be disappointed.
Pretty standard, really.
Let's go for the hat-trick. woo hoo
I won't buy it. While I love it that players can MOD a game, the RTW release was nothing more than a full-priced beta.
caesar44
06-16-2005, 16:03
i will buy it because of the mod's
every good mod would have to be on top the latest version of the game
Copperhaired Berserker!
06-16-2005, 16:36
I'll certainly buy the first day it comes out.
Red Harvest
06-16-2005, 18:10
I try not to make the same mistake twice. I'll wait until BI has been out awhile and real veterans have had some time to explore it. Might even wait until all the patching is done. Then, if it seems to be a substantial improvement over RTW I will consider buying it. I'm not willing to pay much for it though since it is a patch to the game.
BrutalDictatorship
06-16-2005, 20:25
Come on guys.
Rome isnt that bad.
BI is like the second part of the story. Personally I am looking forward to BI.
~:cheers:
dude, there's no "story"...this isn't final fantasy or something. It's a historical recreation of a time period. It's a strategy game lol, no story here man.
tibilicus
06-16-2005, 21:22
It will have floors, I know it will.
But hey i will probably still buy it. Will still keep me entetained for 4 months if I do!
Well if does make sense, that since loadgame AI bug make me play full campaign much less often (90% less to be exact), then if it isn't fixed in expansion there is no point in buying it.
But, since BI is about INVASIONS, it's just too unlikely to have same bug there, beacuse it would be so, so obvous even by casual players.
So, I keep my hope.
bodidley
06-16-2005, 22:34
If there are some great mods available, then I'll buy BI when it goes into the cheap bin. Otherwise, I'll wait for the next CA release, pray that they've actually made some improvements, and maybe buy that.
Come on CA, do you expect us to pay almost full price just for a new campaign when the mods are giving it to us for free?
Best way is to wait for good review after release meanwhile just use cracked version.................. ~:cheers:
CMcMahon
06-17-2005, 06:49
You know, if there's one thing I'd like to see, it would be Half-Life styled mod support; that being that you install your mods in separate directories, and turn them on whenever you want to play them, so that one day you could play, say, RTR, and another day vanilla RTW:BI, and on yet another day Disco Breakdown: Total War (which I fully intend on never making) without having to switch files around all the time.
Orda Khan
06-17-2005, 16:34
Best way is to wait for good review after release meanwhile just use cracked version.................. ~:cheers:
I believe this is the second reply of this type I have seen you post. The .Org is not a place to make suggestions of this sort
........Orda
yup, i'll be buying it when it comes out
King of Atlantis
07-21-2005, 08:35
dude, there's no "story"...this isn't final fantasy or something. It's a historical recreation of a time period. It's a strategy game lol, no story here man.
actually RTW was rather like a fantasy game.
btw,werent you banned like 50 times. ~:confused:
pezhetairoi
07-21-2005, 08:39
I don't trust BI. It's probably going to be as ahistorical and cheesy as the cherry vanilla version. Just looking at the Roman Catholic Priest is enough to make me puke. I'd rather wait for EB.
King of Atlantis
07-21-2005, 08:43
I don't trust BI. It's probably going to be as ahistorical and cheesy as the cherry vanilla version. Just looking at the Roman Catholic Priest is enough to make me puke. I'd rather wait for EB.
hopefully their is a BI EB, I know RTR is plainnig on doing it.
Seamus Fermanagh
07-21-2005, 15:18
I believe this is the second reply of this type I have seen you post. The .Org is not a place to make suggestions of this sort
........Orda
I second this. One of the reasons our games are all too often buggy is the "shrinkage" companies face from cracked/copied/stolen games. After all, if you steal their intellectual property so readily, denying them the profits of their labors, what incentive have they to do more than "just enough?" If anything, you encourage them to "rush" to max out profits before its all heisted anyway.
People who purchase and they lovingly modify games are generally good supporters, but taking without paying is a Bozo no-no.
I second this. One of the reasons our games are all too often buggy is the "shrinkage" companies face from cracked/copied/stolen games. After all, if you steal their intellectual property so readily, denying them the profits of their labors, what incentive have they to do more than "just enough?" If anything, you encourage them to "rush" to max out profits before its all heisted anyway.
People who purchase and they lovingly modify games are generally good supporters, but taking without paying is a Bozo no-no.
Piracy was an issue 10 years ago as much as it is now, but still games are on average more buggier today then in those times.
Midnight
07-21-2005, 18:45
I voted maybe, if they fix the bugs. To be honest, they'd need to fix the bugs, provide a large campaign (which, to be fair, looks to be coming along), and make BI reasonably priced. If all these can be managed, I'll buy.
pezhetairoi
07-22-2005, 01:18
I don't want to take the risk of wasting my money to buy another buggy game that's as historically inaccurate as the former. I play RTW (first the pirated, then the legal version) because I want the history and historical gameplay more than anything else. If it's buggy I can live with it, as long as it's not a bug affecting historical reality (i.e. load-save bugs, I can live with).
If they fix the A.I. and the bugs, which they seem to be at least trying to do, and they add a bunch of cool new features, (which they already are doing,) then I will buy it.
I'll fight my way to the store if I have to. Not even a persian invasion would be able to stop me.
unless said invasion comes in the form of a suicide bomber that blows you sky high while on route to the store.
Strappy Horse
07-22-2005, 08:58
I'll buy it as well.
MTW improved much after VI, am sure it will be the same with RTW and BI.
(Although I find 1.2 very enjoyable as well).
Franconicus
07-22-2005, 09:28
I don't trust BI. It's probably going to be as ahistorical and cheesy as the cherry vanilla version. Just looking at the Roman Catholic Priest is enough to make me puke. I'd rather wait for EB.
What is EB?
King of Atlantis
07-22-2005, 09:44
What is EB?
:jawdrop: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry:
EB (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=70)
pezhetairoi
07-22-2005, 09:46
Franc! EB = Europa Barbarorum! Don't tell me you've never heard of it! I swear to you if you've never heard of it, comrade in arms as you are, I'll declare civil war on you and meet you with a fullstack on the mound of Sarmatia!
*weeps inconsolably...Franc, never heard of the dreamful, wonderful, historically VERY accurate, expanded-map, expanded-faction Europa Barbarorum? O dark day indeed!*
Come Together
07-22-2005, 14:47
I'll buy it, thoroughly enjoy it, then come to the .org and realize how terrible of a game it really was and how much of a fool I was to think it was a good game. I plan on avoiding the .org when it comes out ;].
unless said invasion comes in the form of a suicide bomber that blows you sky high while on route to the store.
As I said... Nothing would stop me.
That is too true Come Together.
I was enjoying RTW very much until I started reading these forums. As much help as they can be - they also can ruin some things for you.
Oh well, won't stop me from spending the cash on it. Better than letting my wife go "shopping" and bringing back herself some knicknacs.
I definatly will buy BI on its day of release...there will be no stopping me. :dizzy2:
~:cheers:
Thanks,
- Vip3r
I'm already looking for stores in Sweden where I can pre-order it :charge:
I'm already looking for stores in Sweden where I can pre-order it :charge:
http://www.spelbutiken.se/php-bin/produkt.php?produkt=pc1178&active=1
http://www.spelbutiken.se/php-bin/produkt.php?produkt=pc1178&active=1
Nice :bow:
Kourutsu
07-22-2005, 22:43
...Yeah...BI...its the hype...Whats BI?
Marcellus
07-22-2005, 22:54
Whats BI?
BI = Barbarian Invasion, the upcoming expansion for Rome: Total War.
Kourutsu
07-22-2005, 22:55
Oh, yes I've heard of barbarian invasion. Stupid initialized words.
SpencerH
07-24-2005, 03:33
I've finally watched King Arthur and now I know where the inspiration for so many of the bizarre units in RTW came from. One thing though, the 'woads' had onagers so how come the Britons cant build em in the game?
I'm now wondering what movie will be the inspiration for BI units? Something from Harry Potter maybe.
One thing though, the 'woads' had onagers so how come the Britons cant build em in the game?
Wrong era.
They should be able to in BI(well atleast some barbarians will)
Marcellus
07-24-2005, 12:39
I've finally watched King Arthur
Poor you. :sad:
That film was very, very bad, IMO at least.
TB666 is right, it's the wrong time period. The film is set as the Romans are withdrawing from Britain (although the withdrawal actually happened about half a century before it happens in the film). This is the time period BI is set in. RTW is set several centuries earlier, in the days of the Roman Republic and early principate.
Geoffrey S
07-24-2005, 13:02
I'm looking forward to BI. Despite so many complaints about Rome being a-historical and buggy it's probably the only game (well, with the exception of M:TW) which has managed to keep my attention consistently since it's release. And that's without mentioning the multitude of exciting looking mods. The fact that many aspects are historically incorrect is unfortunate, but does the inclusion of screaming women as a unit make the underlying game with all it's strategy and planning any less good? I should think not.
SpencerH
07-24-2005, 14:42
Wrong era.
They should be able to in BI(well atleast some barbarians will)
I guess it wasnt clear, but my comment about the onagers was done tongue in cheek. After all, I had just seen 'King Arthur', a movie that includes Sarmatian 'knights' led by a Briton (who is a Roman officer), Guinevere who wanders around in the snow in next to nothing and who can hold a drawn bow for minutes, and genocidal Saxons armed with crossbows.
Needless to say the movie compares very favorably with 'Troy' (which I saw earlier in the week). Its amazing what Hollywood can do with a good story.
Franconicus
07-25-2005, 10:35
Franc! EB = Europa Barbarorum! Don't tell me you've never heard of it! I swear to you if you've never heard of it, comrade in arms as you are, I'll declare civil war on you and meet you with a fullstack on the mound of Sarmatia!
*weeps inconsolably...Franc, never heard of the dreamful, wonderful, historically VERY accurate, expanded-map, expanded-faction Europa Barbarorum? O dark day indeed!*
O.K., ket's fight. I will bribe away your army like anything. ~D
Jokes aside. What is it good for? How do I get it?
O.K., ket's fight. I will bribe away your army like anything. ~D
Jokes aside. What is it good for? How do I get it?
Europa Barbarorum was founded before the release of R:TW when a group of TW fans was dissappointed with the depection of the so-called barbarians. The purpose of EB was to provide more detailed historical information for CA so that the game would have improved historical accuracy. However, CA did not use the information gathered by EB and continued with their own design. And EB decided to make their own version of R:TW.
The EB-mod is still work-in-progress. In fact it probably won't be released this year. If you want to have a look at their work, click the links in this thread: All the previews in one thread! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=51037)
Alternatively, view this thread for a summary of all information that has been released, in or out of previews: The Lost Art of Keeping A Secret - REDUX (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=46101)
Both threads are the work of non-EB members, so they are not always up to date.
caesar44
07-25-2005, 13:26
I don't want to take the risk of wasting my money to buy another buggy game that's as historically inaccurate as the former. I play RTW (first the pirated, then the legal version) because I want the history and historical gameplay more than anything else. If it's buggy I can live with it, as long as it's not a bug affecting historical reality (i.e. load-save bugs, I can live with).
Agreed (except the bugs thing...)
Europa Barbarorum was founded before the release of R:TW when a group of TW fans was dissappointed with the depection of the so-called barbarians. The purpose of EB was to provide more detailed historical information for CA so that the game would have improved historical accuracy. However, CA rejected the information and went on with their own design. And EB decided to make their own version of R:TW.
The EB-mod is still work-in-progress. In fact it probably won't be released this year. If you want to have a look at their work, click the links in this thread: All the previews in one thread! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=51037)
Alternatively, view this thread for a summary of all information that has been released, in or out of previews: The Lost Art of Keeping A Secret - REDUX (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=46101)
Both threads are the work of non-EB members, so they are not always up to date.
I agree that EB units look nice but how long to wait for a Mod? People will lose interest in RTW when CA brings out a new TW title so EB will die unless they release soon.
The biggest disaster would be to have at released after, or shortly before BI is out, but only RTW compatible.
Captain Fishpants
07-25-2005, 17:37
Europa Barbarorum was founded before the release of R:TW when a group of TW fans was dissappointed with the depection of the so-called barbarians. The purpose of EB was to provide more detailed historical information for CA so that the game would have improved historical accuracy. However, CA rejected the information and went on with their own design. And EB decided to make their own version of R:TW.
Erm, what?
I don't know where this particular story came from but - as someone who has been around for the duration - I don't remember anything being 'rejected' from anyone. I checked with a couple of other people and they didn't know anything about this material either.
Colovion
07-25-2005, 18:34
No one officially offered the information in a package to the CA offices - but simply having it posted here and having the game not include any of the material is rejection enough. Not direct rejection - true. IIRC the massive thread was stickied here in the Colloseum for months.
Captain Fishpants
07-26-2005, 09:25
No one officially offered the information in a package to the CA offices - but simply having it posted here and having the game not include any of the material is rejection enough. Not direct rejection - true. IIRC the massive thread was stickied here in the Colloseum for months.
You said it yourself: "No one officially offered the information in a package to the CA offices..." There was no rejection of anything.
If you personally feel rejected I'm sorry you feel that way. ~:grouphug:
However, IP issues could well have made any usage of material unfeasible in practice.
King of Atlantis
07-26-2005, 09:30
[QUOTE=Captain Fishpants]
If you personally feel rejected I'm sorry you feel that way. ~:grouphug:
[QUOTE]
Not really rejected just said. Us history nuts would have loved to see the barbarians more realistic.
I hope im not sounding to negative, i still loved the game.
pezhetairoi
07-26-2005, 09:42
Of course, and it's a measure of how much we love your game that we want to make it even better than it already is. Well, EB's not for the mainstream... there're those of us who'll wait.
Franc, bribing not allowed! The same rules apply as your All-Britannia Cup! ^_^
swirly_the_toilet_fish
07-26-2005, 09:43
The game was fantastic and its a testament to the progress CA has made in their TW series. It is just as simple as history buffs really cannot be pleased with games based in historical periods. There will always be room for improvement in our eyes. So, of course, unless we all pool our resources, create a company of our own, and create a game to our exact specifications, someone will be unhappy. Even then, someone will be unhappy. :laugh4:
Franconicus
07-26-2005, 09:45
Of course, and it's a measure of how much we love your game that we want to make it even better than it already is. Well, EB's not for the mainstream... there're those of us who'll wait.
Franc, bribing not allowed! The same rules apply as your All-Britannia Cup! ^_^
Alright! You choose the weapons!
pezhetairoi
07-26-2005, 09:47
Ha! I'll take 20 Scythian Noble Archers and you can have 20 Militia Hoplites! ^_^
Franconicus
07-26-2005, 09:49
Hm, shouldn't we use the same weapons? If not, I'll take the new Frank army ~:cool:
I don't know where this particular story came from but - as someone who has been around for the duration - I don't remember anything being 'rejected' from anyone. I checked with a couple of other people and they didn't know anything about this material either.
Colovion explained it already: it was quite a big thing on the Org, yet CA never acknowledged it. But since there was no actual rejection, the term is indeed somewhat misleading. Sorry for that.
I agree that EB units look nice but how long to wait for a Mod? People will lose interest in RTW when CA brings out a new TW title so EB will die unless they release soon.
Well, given that people are still working on mods for M:TW, and CA in the past took its time for releasing new titles, I think there is still hope ~D .
Orda Khan
07-26-2005, 21:10
Good grief! Let us not forget that NO mod would exist had CA not created the game in the first place. I find the constant digs at CA to be very, very tedious. I would even add that a modder has the endless time to create and improve upon that which he has created, whereas CA have schedules. Tell you what, let's all wait for two years for the next installment of TW shall we? The more I read these negative posts the less I think we actually deserve. Why, if MTW was so tremendous and RTW so awfully bad do we find MTW MP lobby so empty and RTW full? Why not save the thoughts on BI until we actually know how good it is and if any bugs are fixed? If the bugs are still there or have multiplied, then simply do not buy another TW game. At present, any thoughts are pure speculation ( as are thoughts on unfinished Mods ) When BI arrives, I for one sure hope it delivers, if for no other reason than to end all this negative, boring BS
........Orda
King of Atlantis
07-26-2005, 21:13
no one seemed to be complaining here. Someone asked for the history/purpose of EB and they got it.
sunsmountain
08-05-2005, 13:47
Piracy was an issue 10 years ago as much as it is now, but still games are on average more buggier today then in those times.
1. I agree, but technology has become more complex. I dont know how far Rome's AI and bugs can be fixed, given the current amounts of time.
2. What i would love to see is some insight into the difficulty of creating a good AI. I've searched the internet and can find some pathfinding problems which are interesting - like is A* always the best algorithm? Sure it's fast, but.. - yet if only CA could post some complex stuff here, perhaps that would create understanding with even the most embittered STW/MTW fans.
3. Or perhaps its the guided and scripted process of creatively creating a game they have to go through, that takes up a lot of time. (Meetings, presentations? i'm trying to understand).
4. Perhaps the AI was left 'as is' so it wouldnt be too challenging for younger players.
Which of these 4 would have contributed the most to the AI being what it is?
I know some within CA are sorry because they gave it their best within the time they got, they also posted as much in the past... but how will Rome Total War - Barbaric Invasion be any different from Rome, besides content?
clovenhoof
08-06-2005, 05:15
My RL resource-managment/strategy/rts game (growing and running my small business) has kept me away from games for quite awhile; I haven't even bought RTW. But being a history fanatic, and the begining to mid dark ages being my absolute favorite historical era, I will definitely buy BI and immediately begin devouring the experience. Bugs or not. The chance to play ascending (rather than declining) Saxons will be worth the price alone.
Lysander
08-06-2005, 09:07
Hi, based on the demo this is what I think of Barbarian Invasion so far:
(1) The Paladin Bodyguards have a problem where half of their body is falling off, allowing you to see through their torso into the other side.
See here: https://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4859/invasion3dt.jpg
(2) The cheek guards of the Plumbatarii are put too close to their faces (or something) making it invisible (except for the edges) on one side. Also check out the Scholae Palatinae, they look normal from far away but when you zoom in you can see their heads are twisted and their noses are really long (I mean, when their heads turn only the top part goes, the chin stays).
Look at the Scholae Palatinae:
https://img79.imageshack.us/img79/1308/invasion23aq.jpg
(I think the problem is the chin is welded to the body so it does not turn)
(3) Almost all the barbarian models have really thick necks and deformed heads (check out the bodyguard of the British general). As in history, only the Roman troops look anatomically correct above the shoulders (except (2) above). Also, the colors are real bright on the Franks.
(4) The Huns are special. They look like a mixed bag of cartoon villains: some have large chins, others have twisty mustaches or odd goatees. This ensures they all look very fearsome. ~;)
(5) Torches, cool idea but the animation needs a little work.
(6) Voices, it is disappointing that there are no new sounds here. When you click a unit either it makes no noise at all or it says “yes." Only a few tell you their names, but they are just copied from the original game. Maybe they fix this in the real game.
I think BI needs more work and polish.
And I thought that games are supposed to be about gameplay and not looks...
Colovion
08-06-2005, 19:33
And I thought that games are supposed to be about gameplay and not looks...
ditto
plus, I'm sure it's easier to patch up a couple skins rather than rework an entire battle engine or enemy AI
Jochi Khan
08-07-2005, 00:40
Most seem to be forgetting that it is what it is.....a game.
Jochi
sunsmountain
08-07-2005, 01:40
Both battles played, Very Hard, Heroic Victories.
The battle with Arthur was actually a bit challenging, because of the terrain and the AI tendency to suicide the German general (of course), causing a loss.
1. I just noticed, after playing a little STW & MTW for old times sake, that battle pace is actually Very Very Fast. So fast that it prevents:
- Me enjoying the graphics. Whatever i see is over within seconds. The camera i have to choose to enjoy (a few clicks scroll 'down') doesnt give a good overview of the battle, which you need every second because its so fast.
- AI making better decisions, which are of course scripted in demo's so i cant comment on them. Despite scripting you still see AI infantry trying to charge your cavalry, and other target choices which expose archers, etc. even on Very Hard.
- Melee fights. Horses move so fast they can rout opponent as quickly as you can click on them, its unbelievable. This is unbalancing... It takes away the strategy & enters the split second tactical decisions type of game... faster even you have to use pause to give multiple necessary orders at the same time.
- Rome:TW being a strategy game on the battlefield. It doesnt even matter that much what fights what (unit stat wise), its all about morale.
Now i enjoy both, and feel MTW and STW are too slow, plus you dont have a run button. I also dont feel that the battlefield is too small, thats just appearance.
2. Campaign pace is notably slower than MTW or STW, because of all the options/traits/ancillaries. I dont think most people like this aspect, imo.
Rome:TW is not that bugged... its just all the different possible styles of play.. tough job. But playing Rome feels more and more like playing Halo. Damn, never thought i'd say it (DX8.1 versus DX9, yet Rome can be graphics cards intensive like Halo, contrary to what i thought).
Scorpion
08-12-2005, 20:42
As I said... Nothing would stop me.
Don´t tell me you´d actually stoop so low as to cheat with iddqd?
Scorpion
08-12-2005, 20:54
Most seem to be forgetting that it is what it is.....a game.
Jochi
....and? That means we shouldn´t desire better playability or more fun from out of it, or what?
It just so happens that challenge and believability are what make this -GAME- -FUN-.
As in many other cases, I simply cannot understand this answer.
"It´s a game, so we should just be happy with it as it is".
Pardon me if I misunderstood, but it´s just that I see this answer all the time whenever people start talking about realism and challenge and how it would make things more fun.
Ricochet
10-01-2005, 11:42
Europa Barbarorum was founded before the release of R:TW when a group of TW fans was dissappointed with the depection of the so-called barbarians. The purpose of EB was to provide more detailed historical information for CA so that the game would have improved historical accuracy. However, CA did not use the information gathered by EB and continued with their own design. And EB decided to make their own version of R:TW.
The EB-mod is still work-in-progress. In fact it probably won't be released this year. If you want to have a look at their work, click the links in this thread: All the previews in one thread! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=51037)
Alternatively, view this thread for a summary of all information that has been released, in or out of previews: The Lost Art of Keeping A Secret - REDUX (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=46101)
Both threads are the work of non-EB members, so they are not always up to date.
Well now it's out and while it's seems to have some decent new features, I'm hearing the same complaints about AI, and pathfinding... so I will wait... there are many decent looking games planned to be released late 06... TW is still in it's own category, but for how long?
Does anyone know exactly how much as actually been addressed from the the mulitplayer's petition?
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=38505 It would be nice if someone could do a run down on this or direct me to where it may be... sorry I don't come that often to keep up.
The Blind King of Bohemia
10-01-2005, 13:26
The add on really breathes life into the game and i am really enjoying it with the west empire campaigns being one of the hardest i have ever played. Top stuff indeed and alot of the new units are not that bad either. The berber skins apart from the bright bluey/green are really good work.
Garvanko
10-01-2005, 13:43
The sea turned black in my Sassanid campaign.. This happened to anyone else?
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