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Evil_Maniac From Mars
06-17-2005, 00:56
In a hostage standoff. Why? He was crying to much! How ruthless can you get! They must have cried to when they were children! Its crazy that they kill any one in the first place, but for CRYING? The kid was 2!
Link (http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1118918490435_114327690?hub=TopStories)
Hostage-takers said they killed a two-year-old Canadian boy with a bullet to the head as punishment for crying too much during a tense standoff at a school in northern Cambodia.
There is conflicting information about the boy's identity. There are unconfirmed reports that the boy was born in Victoria, B.C.
The situation developed early Thursday, when four masked men armed with shotguns entered the Siem Reap International School and proceeded to hold a classroom of kindergarten students captive.
The gunmen demanded $30,000 US in cash, weapons and a van to drive across the border into Thailand. If their demands weren't met, they threatened to kill their 29 young hostages one by one.
At one point, gunfire was heard from inside the school.
Information Minister Khieu Kanharith said the cash and vehicle were given to the hostage-takers, but the demands for guns and grenades.
The attackers were lured to the vehicle, however, getting into the minivan with four children in tow. At that point, authorities stormed the school compound.
Despite an assault by some irate members of the assembled crowd of panic-stricken parents, the hostage takers were arrested.
Authorities managed to rescue all but one of the hostages.
A Canadian child was rushed from the school to a nearby clinic, where he was pronounced dead.
He had been shot in the head.
The gunmen reportedly killed the boy when authorities declined to meet all of their demands, Cambodian Information Minister Khieu Kanharith said, quoting the deputy national police chief, Neth Savoeun.
"Something went horribly wrong during the six-hour siege and suddenly there was a burst of gunfire," CTV's Steve Chao reported Thursday.
In Ottawa, Foreign Affairs Minister Pierre Pettigrew expressed his condolences.
"We are chagrined and hurt to have learned the terrible news this morning of the assassination of that child," Pettigrew told reporters.
According to Minister Pettigrew's parliamentary secretary, Liberal MP Dan McTeague, Canadian officials are now on the scene.
"They have been there for several hours, keeping us in constant contact," he said.
"Hopefully they will be able to make contact with the family."
Motive Unknown
The crisis unfolded at Cambodia's tourism hub of Siem Reap, near its famed 800-year-old Angkor Wat temples.
"The temples draw about a million tourists every year. In recent years, a lot of hotels have been built there and a lot of ex-pat families have come to run the tourist hotels," Chao said.
"And so in that school, there were several dozen children from different nationalities."
The children held hostage Thursday may represent as many as 15 different nationalities.
The attackers' motives were not immediately clear, though Kanharith speculated that the hostage takers were "rogue elements'' hired to hurt tourism in Siem Reap.
He also wondered if the men were part of the Cambodian Freedom Fighters, an anti-government group that launched a failed armed attack in Cambodia in November 2000.
"We don't know since they are covering their faces with masks,'' he said.
Deputy Military Police Commander Prak Chanthoeum said the men were villagers from the province of Kandal, who decided to prey on foreign children because they thought their parents were rich.
Adding to the confusion, Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen said they appeared to be security guards at the school. Teachers, however, later said they did not recognize the men.
Byzantine Prince
06-17-2005, 01:09
That's fd up. That guy that did that should be put to in the worst jail in this coutnry for the rest of his life.
Evil_Maniac From Mars
06-17-2005, 01:11
If they have the death penalty in Cambodia, this is a person that really deserves it.
:sad:
Thats really sad, I never advocate the death penalty but I am sorely tempted to in this case.
Evil_Maniac From Mars
06-17-2005, 01:16
Same.
IrishMike
06-17-2005, 01:25
It just goes to show the depths the human race can reach. Sometimes I wonder if we aren't deserving of a great flood to purge the human race.
Byzantine Prince
06-17-2005, 02:09
It just goes to show the depths the human race can reach. Sometimes I wonder if we aren't deserving of a great flood to purge the human race.
Yes God should just come down and wipe us all out like he did in the Bible. I can really feel the love. :dizzy2:
I think we need to look at everything with an objective point of view.
Papewaio
06-17-2005, 02:21
Kill one therefore kill all is not a sensible solution.
Dealth penalty or at the minimum castration and isolation. No way should the person propagate or spread their ideas after murdering a 2 year old.
IrishMike
06-17-2005, 03:20
It was more of another way of demonstrating to such lows people are capable of. Not to mean that I think god/supernatural force/dumb bad luck, which ever you prefer should come and smite us all into little bits.
Btw BP I thought you didn't believe in god. So could you ever really feel the love before?
Very sad.
But I do admit to enjoying watching the bastards take a beating on their way to jail.
Byzantine Prince
06-17-2005, 03:48
Btw BP I thought you didn't believe in god. So could you ever really feel the love before?
I was being sarcastic, because God is suposed to be this all knowing being that loves everyone unconditionally and yet throughout the Bible he kills and punishes and tests people in brutal ways. The scene with Abraham and Isaac and the story of the Arc are monumental pieces of how loveless God apears.
Proletariat
06-17-2005, 04:19
Where's JAG?
InsaneApache
06-17-2005, 08:43
Saw it on the telly last night ... apparentley it was a hostage/ransom scenario that went wrong. Kidnapping is big business over there, or so BBC news reported.
No excuse though. Personally I'd like the killer to be put to death very slowly, a pair of pliers/wire cutters and a soldering iron sound like good choices of execution equipment.
My prefered method of stopping a two year old baby from crying is to pick 'em up and give 'em a hug.
bmolsson
06-17-2005, 08:44
Sad story...
Ja'chyra
06-17-2005, 08:50
Where's JAG?
I don't think evem JAG would defend these people, and I use the word people in its loosest term
He should be strangled with his own bowels.
UglyandHasty
06-17-2005, 13:42
Very sad.
But I do admit to enjoying watching the bastards take a beating on their way to jail.
Aye mate !
Goofball
06-17-2005, 17:45
The disgusting thing about this is that is was over money. These killers weren't trying to right any perceived wrongs or injustices, or fight against an oppressive government. All they wanted was cash.
This one hit close to home for me, because early reports are saying the boy and his family are from Victoria. His dad worked at a popular resort here called The Aerie, and took a job in Cambodia to help with the opening of a new hotel.
Plus, I have a son who is just about the same age. He must have wondered why he was getting smothered with even more than his usual evening quota of hugs and kisses from mom and dad while the news was on last night...
Terrible story all around, with absolutely no silver lining. My heart goes out to the family.
:no:
Mikeus Caesar
06-17-2005, 19:02
Punishment for these people should be something worse than death, such as being isolated from the rest of humanity for the rest of their miserable lives, in a dark room. The only good thing is that they didn't kill any other children.
It's very sad and all... I guess I'm the only person who can find some sort of humour in such a senseless killing.
It's very sad and all... I guess I'm the only person who can find some sort of humour in such a senseless killing.
And what humour might that be sir?
And what humour might that be sir?
Why, how silly it is to kill a child for crying when you have taken over the school in a hostile manner. The whole notion is absurd and it makes me laugh.
Ser Clegane
06-17-2005, 20:44
Why, how silly it is to kill a child for crying when you have taken over the school in a hostile manner. The whole notion is absurd and it makes me laugh.
I guess you need a "special" kind of humour for that :no:
Such an absolute disrespect of human life as shown in this case rather makes me want to cry...
It is sad indeed, just wondering why nobody wants the murderer to get 5 years of rehabilitation to become a useful member of society again?
He can find God in his time in prison. Thats about as much rehabilitation I want this guy to get.
Byzantine Prince
06-17-2005, 21:18
It is sad indeed, just wondering why nobody wants the murderer to get 5 years of rehabilitation to become a useful member of society again?
Because we're too sadistic. We want this guy to suffer. We want him to bleed. We want to him to get down on his knees and beg for mercy while we impale and punish him more. We are human beings, and we are made in God's image. Go figure. :dizzy2:
I guess you need a "special" kind of humour for that :no:
Such an absolute disrespect of human life as shown in this case rather makes me want to cry...
Take it easy, buddy. I didn't post my thoughts with the intention of making anyone upset.
Ser Clegane
06-17-2005, 22:10
Take it easy, buddy. I didn't post my thoughts with the intention of making anyone upset.
Just for clarification - the second statement in my post was not aimed at you but at the original topic.
Rest assured that I will not get all emotional about you ~;)
Evil_Maniac From Mars
06-18-2005, 23:32
Just realized, I spelled "Canadian" wrong in the title.....
We don't mind.
We're silly that way. :rolleyes2:
Kaiser of Arabia
06-19-2005, 00:46
Terrorists...oops, wait, I'm sorry, Innocent People from the left wing point of view. They should have a full trial and spend the rest of their days in a nice comfy jail cell with their own toilets, walks outside the building, workout....God I hate the left.
Here is what you do. Get 1 Aks-74u with silencer. Get 4 5.56 NATO Standard rounds for the Aks-74u. Line up the four men, tied, on their knees, tied, bound, and gagged. 1 bullet. 1 head. Then just leave the bodies in the middle of the nearest village as an example to future terrorists.
PanzerJaeger
06-19-2005, 00:57
Oh but where's the justice in that Cap. They can be rehabilitated and become productive members of society!! ~;)
Tribesman
06-19-2005, 01:09
Terrorists...oops, wait, I'm sorry, Innocent People from the left wing point of view.
Terrorists ? yeah right Capo , it was a disgruntled employee who got pissed off and decided to murder his former bosses two children .
I guess I'm the only person who can find some sort of humour in such a senseless killing
If you want humour Neon look at the demands they made after the attempted murder plot went wrong and they were surrounded by armed police , they wanted cash , a van , oh and some guns please we only bought one with us ~:eek:
Going postal Cambodian style .
They have now made a fifth arrest , apparently the chauffeur had been talking about getting his revenge all over the place since he quit his job .
God I hate the left.
But the Left loves you so much... :kiss:
Here is what you do. Get 1 Aks-74u with silencer. Get 4 5.56 NATO Standard rounds for the Aks-74u...
And of course those NATO rounds will load up nicely in an AK. ~:rolleyes: Maybe you could load up some nice .308s for your M-14 as well. Perhaps some .45s for your MP-40, or some 7mm Magnums for you M-16A2.
How come y'all right wingers don't know your guns? I thought momma had all the ammo specs tattooed on her boob when she nursed you.
Interesting that it's the Lefties who know more about firearms. :knight:
Don Corleone
06-19-2005, 14:10
Everone so far has focused on what to do to the animals that perpetrated this crime, as though somehow there's something we can do that would make the impact of their crime even a little lesser? HOW?!?! I guess I really have flipped on the death penalty issue, because I don't feel a need for it, even in this case, regardless of how angry this story makes me. Personally, I think I would put anyone associated in this plot on a desert island and leave them for the rest of their days. They've demonstrated that they left humanity a while back, we'd just be recognizing the reality of the situation.
I find it far more important however to attempt to deal with the loss & the pain of the parents. I don't suppose there's anything you could do to ease their grief in the short term, but I suppose prayer never hurts, despite what Jag thinks (just kidding). Seriously, I'm not sure how any of the rest of you express compassion, but I urge everyone to focus their energy in that venue. Why allow these scum to occupy your thoughts? Place your thoughts and your soul where they belong, with those who deserve them.
Tribesman
06-19-2005, 14:18
Place your thoughts and your soul where they belong, with those who deserve them. :bow:
Our thoughts go out to the couple who are bringing their child back to Slovakia to lay him to rest .
Goofball
06-20-2005, 17:01
Everone so far has focused on what to do to the animals that perpetrated this crime, as though somehow there's something we can do that would make the impact of their crime even a little lesser? HOW?!?! I guess I really have flipped on the death penalty issue, because I don't feel a need for it, even in this case, regardless of how angry this story makes me. Personally, I think I would put anyone associated in this plot on a desert island and leave them for the rest of their days. They've demonstrated that they left humanity a while back, we'd just be recognizing the reality of the situation.
I find it far more important however to attempt to deal with the loss & the pain of the parents. I don't suppose there's anything you could do to ease their grief in the short term, but I suppose prayer never hurts, despite what Jag thinks (just kidding). Seriously, I'm not sure how any of the rest of you express compassion, but I urge everyone to focus their energy in that venue. Why allow these scum to occupy your thoughts? Place your thoughts and your soul where they belong, with those who deserve them.
Well said Don. You are a true example of compassionate conservatism and though we clash on many issues, I am never left feeling that you are motivated by anything other than a need to see people be right done by.
On the other hand, crap like this
Terrorists...oops, wait, I'm sorry, Innocent People from the left wing point of view. They should have a full trial and spend the rest of their days in a nice comfy jail cell with their own toilets, walks outside the building, workout....God I hate the left.
Here is what you do. Get 1 Aks-74u with silencer. Get 4 5.56 NATO Standard rounds for the Aks-74u. Line up the four men, tied, on their knees, tied, bound, and gagged. 1 bullet. 1 head. Then just leave the bodies in the middle of the nearest village as an example to future terrorists.
should be put in the bottom of a deep, dark pit and burried so it never sees daylight. Thoughts like these are not conservatism. They are only a disjointed, dangerous jumble of pure meanness that hides behind a thin mask of conservatism to try and give it some validity.
Proletariat
06-20-2005, 17:24
But the Left loves you so much... :kiss:
And of course those NATO rounds will load up nicely in an AK. ~:rolleyes: Maybe you could load up some nice .308s for your M-14 as well. Perhaps some .45s for your MP-40, or some 7mm Magnums for you M-16A2.
How come y'all right wingers don't know your guns? I thought momma had all the ammo specs tattooed on her boob when she nursed you.
Interesting that it's the Lefties who know more about firearms. :knight:
Uhm, didn't the Russians design the AK-47 to use 5.56 rounds as well? So they can use our ammo if they over ran our position, but we could'nt fit theirs in our M-16s?
Sorry, not a gun expert myself.
(I did shoot expert, though. :gring: )
AK-47 has 7.62mm and AK-74 has 5.45mm, just search Wikipedia for one of them. ~;)
To be honest, I think it´s rather childish to say "take this gun and this ammo and do this and that", we all know weapons are cool, but they do ugly things and thus shouldn´t be used on humans, and I think nobody really cares which ammo and gun were used as soon as the bullet is in his head. I don´t care if you use NATO or WP ammo, if it´s hollowpoint or stainless steel or whatever you want to call it, it isn´t cool as soon as it hits a human body. ~;)
If you want humour Neon look at the demands they made after the attempted murder plot went wrong and they were surrounded by armed police , they wanted cash , a van , oh and some guns please we only bought one with us ~:eek:
That's pretty funny too.
Proletariat
06-20-2005, 22:07
AK-47 has 7.62mm and AK-74 has 5.45mm, just search Wikipedia for one of them. ~;)
Well, no. It's 5.56 but that wasn't my point anyway.
http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/manual/ak74/ ~;p
My important point was just that posts like Kaiser´s are neither cool nor good.
And I can agree with Don Corleone, the criminals should be locked away and maybe taken care of(no, I don´t mean killed) after they had some time to think. First take care of the victims, they are the ones who deserve the help first.
Proletariat
06-20-2005, 23:28
http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/manual/ak74/ ~;p
My important point was just that posts like Kaiser´s are neither cool nor good.
And I can agree with Don Corleone, the criminals should be locked away and maybe taken care of(no, I don´t mean killed) after they had some time to think. First take care of the victims, they are the ones who deserve the help first.
Well, I agree with everything you put here.
Kaiser of Arabia
06-20-2005, 23:38
But the Left loves you so much... :kiss:
And of course those NATO rounds will load up nicely in an AK. ~:rolleyes: Maybe you could load up some nice .308s for your M-14 as well. Perhaps some .45s for your MP-40, or some 7mm Magnums for you M-16A2.
How come y'all right wingers don't know your guns? I thought momma had all the ammo specs tattooed on her boob when she nursed you.
Interesting that it's the Lefties who know more about firearms. :knight:
The AK-74 series uses 5.56mm NATO last time I checked. I'll recheck...
[3 minutes later]
Oops, sorry. The AKs-74u uses 5.45x39 mm ammunition, not 5.56 NATO Standard. Easy mistake.
Kaiser of Arabia
06-20-2005, 23:40
The Ak-102, Ak-104, Ak-105, and Ak-108 use 5.56 Nato. My bad.
Tribesman
06-21-2005, 00:17
Oops, sorry. Easy mistake. My bad.
Forget about the bullets Capo , what about this bit ....
Terrorists...oops, wait, I'm sorry, Innocent People from the left wing point of view.
What terrorists and what left wing point of view ?
Kaiser of Arabia
06-21-2005, 00:30
Oops, sorry. Easy mistake. My bad.
Forget about the bullets Capo , what about this bit ....
Terrorists...oops, wait, I'm sorry, Innocent People from the left wing point of view.
What terrorists and what left wing point of view ?
The terrorists who took the hostages and killed the kids, and the left wingers who say that the death penalty isn't warrented in cases like these.
Tribesman
06-21-2005, 00:32
What bloody terrorists Capo ?
Kaiser of Arabia
06-21-2005, 00:42
What bloody terrorists Capo ?
~:eek:
Goofball
06-21-2005, 00:45
You should re-read the article Capo. They were not terrorists. They were just common criminal scumbags after money.
Kaiser of Arabia
06-21-2005, 00:46
You should re-read the article Capo. They were not terrorists. They were just common criminal scumbags after money.
Yeah I just saw that. Either way, SAME FREAKIN THING IN THIS CASE! If the motives were different they would be terrorists, and it is the equivilent to an act of terrorism...so 1 word sums everything up...GAH!
Papewaio
06-21-2005, 00:54
Yeah I just saw that. Either way, SAME FREAKIN THING IN THIS CASE! If the motives were different they would be terrorists, and it is the equivilent to an act of terrorism...so 1 word sums everything up...GAH!
No, because you are diluting the meaning of the word.
Kidnapping, murder and extortion may be tools of terrorism, but they do not necessarily make someone a terrorist.
Nor does fighting for freedom make one a freedom fighter if you are murdering civilians.
A terrorist is someone who targets civilians to bring about political change.
A freedom fighter targerts military targets to bring about political change.
These guys targeted civilians to make money. No political intent was mentioned. It makes them murderers not terrorists.
Proletariat
06-21-2005, 04:40
Hey, if we hate them, they're terrorists, okay pal?
*looks for the Amen Corner to back her up*
They are criminals plain and simple. Stupid ones at that.
I'm sure the condition they spend the rest of their lives in will be the proper one they earned.
Evil_Maniac From Mars
06-23-2005, 21:01
EDIT: Double post, sorry
Evil_Maniac From Mars
06-23-2005, 21:01
Somebody seems to have hired them, says so somewhere in the article.
Tribesman
06-24-2005, 00:12
They are criminals plain and simple. Stupid ones at that.
yep , though you can add sick and twisted to the stupid part Beirut .
Somebody seems to have hired them, says so somewhere in the article.
Nope , it was a driver who got annoyed when his boss slapped him and so he quit his job , he then decided to get revenge on his boss by murdering his children , after lots of talking about getting his own back he obtained a gun and 3 friends who were also sick and twisted to help him . They entered the wrong classroom looking for his ex-bosses two children where they were promptly surrounded by armed police .
Then these brainboxes really got their act together , they asked for guns , money and a van to get them out of the situation they had got themselves into .
Oh and they murdered a crying child because his noise was interfering with their "clarity" of thought .
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