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King Ragnar
06-20-2005, 16:19
My two friends are having a big argument of who is better, Batman or Spiderman, personally i like The Punisher. So vote for which one you think is best and give a reason so this argument will end. And we will see who is the best.
Kaiser of Arabia
06-20-2005, 16:21
Batman. Spiderman sucked.
DemonArchangel
06-20-2005, 16:29
Batman: He's smarter, more ruthless and creepier than Spiderman.
Dutch_guy
06-20-2005, 16:32
batman.
far cooler than spiderman.
:balloon2:
The character, the movie, the TV show?
The original comic book Batman was great, the Adam West / Burt Ward TV show was over-the-top camp, and most of the movies were OK.
Spiderman comic books actually had some really god story lines, and for a while had the best artistry. Spiderman the movies were really bad. The worst in popular movie making today. Poorly told standard-issue stories relying too heavily on special effectss.
Looks like the new Batman Begins is supposed to be pretty good, I may actually dish out the cash to take Mrs ichi . . .
Overall, I'd say Batman could beat Spiderman in a fight (even the Michael Keaton Batman)
ichi :duel:
Meneldil
06-20-2005, 16:35
Batman. He just kicks ass.
King Ragnar
06-20-2005, 16:37
I mean the comic character not any of the films or cartoons. Who has the best powers and who would win a fight between them,think about stuff like that.
The Blind King of Bohemia
06-20-2005, 16:39
Batman the animated series and Spiderman(the nineties one not the shite one from the seventies) cartoons were great and i enjoyed them both.
But at a push i prefer Batman
Al Khalifah
06-20-2005, 16:43
Batman would easy have Spiderman.
none of them...wolverine would show up and spill both their guts on the sidewalk.
game over...*snickt*
Proletariat
06-20-2005, 17:27
This is a bit of a joke. Batman has beaten Superman in the past. Poor Petey doesn't hold a candle to the Dark Crusader.
Big King Sanctaphrax
06-20-2005, 17:28
The Dark Detective would destroy Spidey. It would be truly painful to watch.
Craterus
06-20-2005, 17:38
Spider-man has his Spidey-Sense and he would know when Batman is coming. And then he could just sticky him up! What exactly are Batman's powers? He can glide through the air? Woop-de-doo! I would rather be Spidey any day!
English assassin
06-20-2005, 17:40
Wow, this must be the most unanimous thread in tavern history. I voted Batman since he is obviously cool and spiderman is not, but for what its worth he'd certainly kick spiderman's butt for him.
I feel an X men thread coming on too.
tibilicus
06-20-2005, 17:48
lets be honest here.Batman is not really a super hero. He just has lots of gadgets and gismos. he cant even fly i tell you! Also to be clast as a super hero to me you have to be deformed. Hes not even deformed. Also spidy is more agile. But then again Batman does have one kik ass car...........
English assassin
06-20-2005, 17:58
Batman is not really a super hero.
Its all in the mind, my friend. Suppose spiderman did gum Batman up (he'd have to be quick and I'm not sure batman might not be strong enough to break the web). Spiderman is a teenager with issues who would feel sorry for batman and let him go because he reminded him of this old uncle or because he had had a bad childhood.
Then Batman would completely kick Spiderman's ass because there is no way anyone gets the drop on Batman twice.
Put it like this. Batman has taken out Superman. Thats about as hard as its possible to be IMHO. Now, ignoring the little DC/Marvel issue, no way on earth would spiderman even get close to that. That's even if he would dare try.
So Batman has to be way harder than Spiderman.
He just has lots of gadgets and gismos.
The webslingers are gadgets in the comics, and that's about the only cool thing spiderman has anyway.
King Ragnar
06-20-2005, 18:01
Spiderman hasn't got the guts to kill bad people he just puts them in his web then tries a funny phrase which fails, but Batman i think does kill the bad guys and shows no remorse.
Craterus
06-20-2005, 18:03
What actually are BatMan's powers? If he has no powers, he is not a superhero, and therefore, Spiderman outclasses him by his higher rank.
King Ragnar
06-20-2005, 18:11
He has none which makes him rubbish but spider man doesn't beat him because spiderman mite as well be some sort of gymnast, because all he does is flips and jumps around.
Craterus
06-20-2005, 18:15
Batman does kill the bad guys and shows no remorse.
Even if you were to regard him as a superhero, killing the bad guys isn't the superhero way...
You are meant to subdue them, and then hand them over to the authorities. This batman character sounds not only unheroic, rather evil in fact, even if he has got a kick-ass car.
SwordsMaster
06-20-2005, 18:51
Punisher. Why would you need superpowers if you can have bigger calibre?
King Ragnar
06-20-2005, 19:00
Yeah the punisher kicks ass but he inst really a superhero more of a vigilante.
ShadesPanther
06-20-2005, 19:05
same for Batman
The Blind King of Bohemia
06-20-2005, 19:06
I like Batman and spidy is cool. Iron Man and War Machine are also favs. My most fav superhero for darkness and retribution is Spawn. Now he would eat Batman , Spidy and all the X-men for breakfast.....imo ~D
Craterus
06-20-2005, 20:16
Do any of you really enthusiastic comic-book fans look like this:
http://us.ent4.yimg.com/tv.yahoo.com/images/he/photo/tv_pix/fox/the_simpsons/hank_azaria/char_comicbook.jpg
The Blind King of Bohemia
06-20-2005, 20:29
Definetly not, but i see a few when i walk round manchester city centre alot who are even bigger ~D
Samurai Waki
06-20-2005, 20:38
Batman would own spiderman, I'm mean seriously he just looks cooler and has a more badass aura around him. And knowing relatively little about Super Heroes the Coolest Looking and most badass are generally better... and the Caped Crusader is the most badass and some of the reasons why is he isn't purely invincible (he' still human after all) so he has to rely on his intelligence and cunning in a situation to win, unlike say Spawn or Superman who just sweep in and with an upper cut the enemy is vanquished.
http://us.ent4.yimg.com/tv.yahoo.com/images/he/photo/tv_pix/fox/the_simpsons/hank_azaria/char_comicbook.jpg
Worst. Poll. Ever.
~D Sorry, had to be said.
Why fight each other?
They should be on the same side, helping us destroy jamster together.
POINTLESS POLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
. . .shame on you . . . don't act like that silly 'drisos' by posting pointless polls . . .
~D
King Ragnar
06-20-2005, 22:08
I had to settle the argument because my freinds wont end it until they get the opinion of the public.
doc_bean
06-20-2005, 22:46
Batman, he is just way cooler.
He also had the better movie (the first Batman).
Batman. He would have an anti-web spray with him anyway, and has more gadgets than Spidey has powers. Besides, Batman while arguably gay, is mega-cynical. Parker is just a chemist with no balls.
However, Lobo would take them both to town.
Good evening ladies and gentleman, and welome to tonight's ichi awards. Our first recipient is drone , for his perfect use of a Simpsons character in context.
Outstanding ~:cheers:
ichi :bow:
Cygnus X-1
06-21-2005, 01:33
Actually, Batman doesn't kill anyone. Atleast not anymore.
Back in the days of Detective Comics he'd show no remorse at all. He'd just swing around on his massive silk rope and land on people's necks...
However, as the batman's story became deeper and more interesting, the writers decided that Batman should pursue justice, not revenge. This proved to be a bad thing for our hero because, in sparing The Joker, Jason Todd (Robin 2.0) was killed.
But yeah, Bats would own Spidey.
Actually, Batman doesn't kill anyone. Atleast not anymore.
Back in the days of Detective Comics he'd show no remorse at all. He'd just swing around on his massive silk rope and land on people's necks...
However, as the batman's story became deeper and more interesting, the writers decided that Batman should pursue justice, not revenge. This proved to be a bad thing for our hero because, in sparing The Joker, Jason Todd (Robin 2.0) was killed.
But yeah, Bats would own Spidey.
Not so much. There are issues where Batman is driven by quit a bit of anxiety over his identity, and where he does not hesitate to strike dead the doers of evil. I am the proud owner of one such comic.
Kommodus
06-21-2005, 06:10
I voted Spiderman, because he's much funnier! :jester:
Yes, I know this has nothing to do with who would win in battle, but I like a hero who puts down the villians with a light-hearted touch. Besides, the poll didn't ask who would win - it simply posed the question "Batman or Spiderman?"
It's a good question nonetheless; both are very cool in very different ways. Batman has the shadowy, menacing, dark persona that is somehow deeply appealing. Spiderman has the down-to-earth, sincere, light-hearted quality that we like to see in anyone.
As for who would win in a battle, I don't think the question is simple at all. Spiderman has speed, strength, and agility on his side, by far. What he lacks in martial arts training, his spider-sense makes up for - the guy can dodge a hail of bullets! His spider-abilities, including the webbing and sticky appendages, give him an added flexibility when it comes to mobility, as well as a way to hamper his opponents' movements.
Batman, however, is an extremely intelligent combatant. He regularly uses this intelligence to defeat opponents that have significant advantages over him in certain areas, such as super-human abilities. He may lose the initial engagement, but always finds a way to turn the tables in his favor in the end. Resources and technology are also on his side, and vehicles such as the batwing and batmobile would balance out Spiderman's web-slinging ability. He has tremendous tenacity, discipline, experience, and skill.
Spiderman has battled some incredibly dangerous and deadly foes - Carnage and Venom spring to mind, in particular. These alien symbiotes are among the most powerful and frightening villians in the comic book world. While less powerful, the Green Goblin and Doctor Octopus are not slouches either.
Batman's villians tend to be more "ordinary" in the sense that they rarely have super-human abilities, but they are still forces to be reckoned with. To be honest, I was never really impressed with the likes of the Joker or the Penguin, but newer villians, such as the Black Mask, Ra's Al Ghul, and even Bane (to a lesser extent) are deeply threatening. (I understand the Joker's unpredictability, sadism, and ruthlessness, but c'mon... he's still only human, and doesn't really fight very well.)
It would definitely be a tough fight, and I can't pretend to forcast the winner. In a short fight, Spiderman would be the favorite, but the longer the battle continued, the more Batman would gain the upper hand, as he would figure out ways to exploit his opponent's weaknesses more quickly than Spiderman. Then again, I would hope they would be on the same side.
What he said.
Batman's experience and ingenuity would prevail.
InsaneApache
06-21-2005, 10:37
The Caped Crusader all the way.....Spidermans a boy anyway, he goes to school and has a part-time job, whilst Gothams finest is a mega-rich dude with a cool butler, and man what a friggin car!!!!! :guitarist: :drummer: :guitarist:
R'as al Ghul
06-21-2005, 13:06
Actually, Batman doesn't kill anyone. Atleast not anymore.
Back in the days of Detective Comics he'd show no remorse at all. He'd just swing around on his massive silk rope and land on people's necks...
However, as the batman's story became deeper and more interesting, the writers decided that Batman should pursue justice, not revenge. This proved to be a bad thing for our hero because, in sparing The Joker, Jason Todd (Robin 2.0) was killed.
Wrong.
I consider myself quite an expert on the Detective.
Prior to Frank Millers turn on Batman I can't remember a single incident where
he delibarately kills. It's true that he probably leaves a trail of cripples behind.
Breaking bones is quite a specialty of his. But killing?
He swore by the grave of his parents that he would never kill.
Miller's Dark Knight was more brutal than any other Batman before him.
Iirc correctly he also kills several "mutants" in that story line.
So in my view the development was the other way round.
Jason Todd's death was more a product of a Fan poll than the result
of Batsy sparing the Joker.
On the question of who is better/ who would win a clash:
Batman.
The Dark Knight is one of the most intelligent heroes in the DC universe.
He's secret plans on how to overcome his fellow members in the Justice League. I remember scenes where he defeats
Superman, Martian Manhunter, Plastic Man, ... I think he beat them all. Not by means of physical strenght,
but through mental superiority, exact planning etc.
Spidey on the other hand is just a kiddo. What does he know?
Physically he may be superior because he has the power of a spider of his
size. Quite extraordinary, I agree. But in contrast to others who have been defeated, quite lame.
Another thing in Miller's Batman is the fact that Batman has nothing to loose.
He is mean, evil almost. The years of being subtle are over. No more lurking
in the shadows and waiting to scare Gordon in his office...No he jumps right
in smashing the window in the process. ~D
Oh yeah, and most important, he's the only one able to defeat me. ~;)
R'as al Ghul
Kommodus
06-21-2005, 14:47
I have a couple more thoughts.
First, a question: When (and more importantly, how) did Batman defeat Superman? I did a bit of looking, and it seems that it was in Frank Miller's "The Dark Knight Returns." However, I never read that and don't know anything about it. Can someone provide a more adequate explanation?
Second, it seems that a lot of people are discounting Spiderman's intelligence. This is a mistake - remember, he is a very talented scientist, and frequently has to use a combination of his wits and abilities to defeat his opponents. Peter Parker, in my opinion, probably has more natural intelligence than Bruce Wayne, although the Detective is clearly superior in the more specialized "martial" areas - that is, strategic thinking and planning, creative problem solving, observation and analysis, detective work, and killer instinct.
Despite Batman's skill in martial arts, Spiderman would retain a clear edge in a hand-to-hand fight - after all, if he can dodge bullets, he can surely dodge blows from even a master martial artist, and a few well-placed blows backed by spider-strength could put the Dark Knight in a world of hurt. Batman's hope would lie in escaping that initial encounter intact, then analyzing his opponent and coming up with a plan to defeat him in round two. That's why I say the outcome is not so easy to predict.
R'as al Ghul
06-21-2005, 15:03
Can someone provide a more adequate explanation?
I remember that Superman had been hit by a nuke (not fired by Batman)
and thus was weakened.
The final encounter between the two involved some suit Batman had
created. The suit, isolated on the inside, "channeled" strong amounts
of electricity. I think there wasn't any Kryptonite involved.
GAH! Memory fails me here.
I'll look it up and maybe scan an image for you.
~:cheers:
Cygnus X-1
06-21-2005, 15:14
Wrong.
I consider myself quite an expert on the Detective.
Prior to Frank Millers turn on Batman I can't remember a single incident where
he delibarately kills. It's true that he probably leaves a trail of cripples behind.
Breaking bones is quite a specialty of his. But killing?
He swore by the grave of his parents that he would never kill.
Miller's Dark Knight was more brutal than any other Batman before him.
Iirc correctly he also kills several "mutants" in that story line.
So in my view the development was the other way round.
Jason Todd's death was more a product of a Fan poll than the result
of Batsy sparing the Joker.
On the question of who is better/ who would win a clash:
Batman.
The Dark Knight is one of the most intelligent heroes in the DC universe.
He's secret plans on how to overcome his fellow members in the Justice League. I remember scenes where he defeats
Superman, Martian Manhunter, Plastic Man, ... I think he beat them all. Not by means of physical strenght,
but through mental superiority, exact planning etc.
Spidey on the other hand is just a kiddo. What does he know?
Physically he may be superior because he has the power of a spider of his
size. Quite extraordinary, I agree. But in contrast to others who have been defeated, quite lame.
Another thing in Miller's Batman is the fact that Batman has nothing to loose.
He is mean, evil almost. The years of being subtle are over. No more lurking
in the shadows and waiting to scare Gordon in his office...No he jumps right
in smashing the window in the process. ~D
Oh yeah, and most important, he's the only one able to defeat me. ~;)
R'as al Ghul
Pick up "The Batman Chronicles" sometime. It collects his appearances in Detective Comics and Batman #1. Anyway, from the first few stories alone he punches someone into a giant vat of acid, swings on a rope and breaks a guys neck, killing him, hurls another guy over a building and *attempts* to kill Doctor Death by hurling a tube full of flammable gas at him (DD is currently surrounded by fire at this time).
True, after Frank Miller Batman became a lot darker. But the circumstances in 'Dark Knight Returns' were a lot different than in regular gotham.
Also, during the first year or so of Batman comics, Bats hadn't swore on his parents grave. I'm guessing they wrote that in later on.
Kommodus, I don't see Batman as particularly beating Superman in DKR. I mean...yes, he won the fight....but some thigns have to be taken into account.
1. He had to wear a massive suit in order to stand up to him. But that's kinda fair, because Bruce is only human.
2. Supes JUST got hit by a nuclear bomb. I know he used nature to revive himself, but i don't think he was at full power.
3. The Green Arrow fired a Kryptonite arrow at Superman, which was what gave Batman the oppurtunity to kill him.
Of course, as R'as said, this did take precision planning and is a great accomplishment. But he was hardly alone in this.
In regards to the JLA, i knew he defeated some of them because for some reasont they came after him...though i'm not sure why.
*looks at R'as for the answers*
R'as al Ghul
06-21-2005, 18:56
Pick up "The Batman Chronicles" sometime. It collects his appearances in Detective Comics and Batman #1. Anyway, from the first few stories alone he punches someone into a giant vat of acid, swings on a rope and breaks a guys neck, killing him, hurls another guy over a building and *attempts* to kill Doctor Death by hurling a tube full of flammable gas at him (DD is currently surrounded by fire at this time).
True, after Frank Miller Batman became a lot darker. But the circumstances in 'Dark Knight Returns' were a lot different than in regular gotham.
Also, during the first year or so of Batman comics, Bats hadn't swore on his parents grave. I'm guessing they wrote that in later on.
You're right Cygnus, the old Bob Kane stories were tougher
and darker than most of what was published in the period
between Bob Kane and Frank Miller. And I guess there's some killing, too.
There're so many different Batmen by so many different authors that we
cannot even be sure we're all talking about the same character.
Things that I hate are the Batman movies so far (minus the new one which I haven't yet seen),
any scene featuring Batman in daylight is against the
character (Bruce Wayne=light & day, Batman=Shadow, night), the TV-series, etc...
Kommodus, I don't see Batman as particularly beating Superman in DKR. I mean...yes, he won the fight....but some thigns have to be taken into account.
1. He had to wear a massive suit in order to stand up to him. But that's kinda fair, because Bruce is only human.
2. Supes JUST got hit by a nuclear bomb. I know he used nature to revive himself, but i don't think he was at full power.
3. The Green Arrow fired a Kryptonite arrow at Superman, which was what gave Batman the oppurtunity to kill him.
I just reread it and we're both not entirely right.
Superman was hit by a nuke earlier. Right. When he meets Batman, though, he seems perfectly normal. The Krypnonite arrow I forgot, even more weakness.
But the suit Batman wears is plugged into the city's power grid. It is designed
to discharge the energy on Superman as soon as he touches Batman.
It's isolated to prevent the immediate death of Batman. The power that is
needed to defeat Superman is but so high that Batman couldn't survive the
grapple long enough, hence the Kryptonite arrow.
But it is all to no avail because Batman dies in the end. Yes its true.
Batman strangles Superman and says to him "In the next years, always remember who defeated you." And then Batman's heart stops beating which Superman had already noticed during the fight.
In the end though it turns out that Batman feigned his death and went
underground. ~:)
.
Of course, as R'as said, this did take precision planning and is a great accomplishment. But he was hardly alone in this.
In regards to the JLA, i knew he defeated some of them because for some reasont they came after him...though i'm not sure why.
*looks at R'as for the answers*
I browsed my JLA issues but it takes more time to find the passage to reread it. I remember though that Batman collected information on the weaknesses of the League. Somebody then stole the information (I know it sounds impossible to steal from Batman, so I don't really trust my memory here) and used it to defeat the League (temporarily of course). I think it was Prometheus in the "Altered Ego" storyline by Grant Morrison.
~:cheers:
Gawain of Orkeny
06-21-2005, 19:23
Batman is not a super Hero. As has been stated he has no powers. This however makes him even more incridible as a crime fighter. If these people were real I dont see anyway he could defeat spiderman unless he knew ahead of time all about him. If they just ran into eachother oneday and started fighting I have no doubt the webslinger would defeat him. Anyway the Green Lantern is the most powerful super hero ever.
http://erin.doland.org/images/gl.jpg
Just incase any of you think this is a new idea.
http://www.spiderfan.org/cgi-bin/cover.pl?80123,spiderman_non_marvel,batman1.jpg
Comics : Reviews : Spider-Man vs. Batman
Issue: Spider-Man Non-Marvel Crossover One Shots - BATMAN1
>>> Background...
DeMatteis scripts and Bagley pencils this joint Marvel/DC production. It's a squarebound book with a lot of gloss and no ads, but still surprisingly few pages given its $5.95 price tag.
>>> In Detail...
Spider-Man/Batman 1 Edit
Editors: Eric Fein, Danny Fingeroth
Writer: J.M. DeMatteis
Pencils: Mark Bagley
Inkers: Scott Hanna, Mark Farmer
Sep 1995 : Spider-Man Non-Marvel Crossover One Shots Title Index
Carnage and the Joker are both subjects in an experiment to neutralise insane criminals by embedding neural micro-chips in their brains. Carnage is taken to Gotham, and is followed by Peter. Klaus manages to resist his chip with the help of his symbiote, and he escapes taking The Joker with him. Carnage and Joker get on fine at first, but then they have a bit of a falling out and it's up to Peter and Bruce to sort everything out again.
There's no fancy cross-dimensional transport in this story. The basic premise is that Gotham and New York are in the same universe. Batman knows about Spider-Man, and even knows about Maximum Carnage. Spider-Man similarly knows about Batman, and he makes a joke about waiting for Superman to call. I thought Spidey and Supes had already teamed up a couple of times, but maybe Peter was just yanking Bruce's chain.
>>> In General...
The art is just fine. The plot is a little thin, but I guess you always get that in one-off crossovers. It's surprising how the pages spin past and the book is done before you know it. The book has a generally dark feel as befits the psychotic villains, but there are a couple of lighter moments in there too just to show that they're not taking things too seriously.
The book draws some nice parallels between Peter and Bruce, and between Carnage and Joker. All in all it's pretty much what I expected though, and it's really nothing more than "Open Day" at the local asylum for the criminally insane.
>>> Overall Rating...
It's not an earth-shattering book but it is professionally done and it does have 'Cool Appeal'. I'm gonna be generous and give it four webs.
Ugh. The Green Lantern is the lamest superhero of all time. Also, by the definition you presented, the Green Lantern is also not a superhero, since he gets his powers from the ring; they're not innate. It's the same reason Conan the Barbarian would beat He-Man, and Captain Kirk would beat the Hulk.
InsaneApache
06-21-2005, 22:56
Ugh. The Green Lantern is the lamest superhero of all time.
I completely agree...this guy should be known as the 'pink' lantern...he's so obviously a jessie. HUH!!! the guy wears a birds ring ffs!!!!!...... shirtlifter if ever I saw one.
(sry Gawain of Orkeny, but you know it makes sense)
Gawain of Orkeny
06-22-2005, 00:12
Also, by the definition you presented, the Green Lantern is also not a superhero, since he gets his powers from the ring; they're not innate.
It dosent matter where he gets his powers from he still has them. I guess Thor isnt a super hero either since he gets his powers from his hammer nor is Iron Man since his come from his suit. The green latern can pretty much do anything.
Goofball
06-22-2005, 00:25
Spidey all the way. Mainly because he always comes up with the best smart-arse comments.
It dosent matter where he gets his powers from he still has them. I guess Thor isnt a super hero either since he gets his powers from his hammer nor is Iron Man since his come from his suit. The green latern can pretty much do anything.
Well...Thor's a friggin' god, and no, Iron Man is just a guy in a machine. Same thing as Batman; he has stuff that lets him do stuff, but no powers of his own. Besides, the Green Lantern is a nasty neo-con. ~;p
InsaneApache
06-22-2005, 01:06
And he's obviously gay...just look at those kecks ~:eek:
Gawain of Orkeny
06-22-2005, 02:29
And he's obviously gay...just look at those kecks
Is that supposed to be an insult? If I said you were gay for looking so closely at his kecks would that be ok? I really dont think its correct to use the term gay in this manner. Is Robin any better? ~D
InsaneApache
06-22-2005, 02:42
I meant GAY as in happy and carefree......as we all here are ~:cool:
BTW Robin is a poof ~D his tights are far too tight for an uptight guy (iucwim) :inquisitive:
The hairsplitting is pointless. Ask any kid on the street: they're all superheros.
Just out of interest, why were Superman and Batman at odds in the first place?
English assassin
06-22-2005, 10:48
The hairsplitting is pointless. Ask any kid on the street: they're all superheros.
Just out of interest, why were Superman and Batman at odds in the first place?
Basically, before DKR starts, ordinary people had got fed up with superheros all being "better than them". The US government had initiated some sort of crack down, and most heros had retired or (we infer) been killed. Who by? Well, Superman ("the big blue schoolboy") was working for the US goverment. ("you always say yes to anyone with a badge" as Bruce remarks). Green arrow suggests Superman was responsible for chopping his arm off. And who else could force superheros into retirement?
Anyway, Batman has been in retirement but Gotham is going to rat droppings, so after ten years he's back on the scene big time. President Reagan asks superman to tell him to cool it, and he does, but of course Bruce won't. So then the government tells Superman to kill him and the fight goes down as said above. IMHO Batman doesn't want to kill Superman (this Batman avoids killing people deliberately, eg he has the mutant leader in his machine gun sights but does not pull the trigger, also he doesn't kill the Joker when he could), but he DOES want to show him he could have killed him had he wished. It is a titanic ending of his career.
If you don't have DKR then get it, you will NOT regret it.
Anyway as R'as is the only person here who has direct experience I think we should all accept his judgement that batman would outthink as well as out fight spiderman. I mean, Wayne industries is bound to have developed a zero friction coating for the batsuit for a start, and without the webs spiderman has nothing.
R'as al Ghul
06-22-2005, 14:12
Anyway as R'as is the only person here who has direct experience I think we should all accept his judgement that batman would outthink as well as out fight spiderman.
LOL.
Thanks for playing along.
Have you ever met my daughter Thalia? ~;)
And a nice synopsis of Dark Knight Returns, I might add.
~:cheers:
I meant GAY as in happy and carefree......as we all here are ~:cool:
BTW Robin is a poof ~D his tights are far too tight for an uptight guy (iucwim) :inquisitive:
You'd think so, but Robin porked Jubilee in the DC vs. Marvel series. Kind of an appropriate ending, since neither of them could ever be trusted to get the job done properly (ie. beat the other guy up).
The Blind King of Bohemia
06-22-2005, 21:15
The Green lantern is alright but he ain't a fav for me. I also think Slaine Mac Roth would destroy most of the superheros, His warp-spasm is fantastic especially in the Horn God trilogy and his Kiss my axe line is fantastic man.
http://www.2000adreview.co.uk/features/interviews/2004/mills/slaine.jpg
How cool is he?
Kicking ass as usually
http://www.lambiek.net/artists/bisley_simon/bisley_slaine.jpg
Samurai Waki
06-22-2005, 21:47
Personally if I could be any Super Hero I'd be Space Ghost. and not the 1960s-70s Space Ghost, the Talk Show Host One. ~D
English assassin
06-22-2005, 21:54
Have you ever met my daughter Thalia?
Possibly, at a party in Ladbrook grove in one of my 1970s? So many time lines, its hard to recall...
Kagemusha
06-23-2005, 00:00
I think that Simon Bisleys Lobo would kick any other Superheroes ass.If i remember right he even took out Santaclaus and Easter Bunny. :devilish:
The Green lantern is alright but he ain't a fav for me. I also think Slaine Mac Roth would destroy most of the superheros, His warp-spasm is fantastic especially in the Horn God trilogy and his Kiss my axe line is fantastic man.
I've never even heard of this guy. Who produces his comics?
English assassin
06-23-2005, 09:47
Hes a character in 2000AD, sharing space (but not stories obviously) with the likes of Judge Dredd, Rogue Trooper and Jonny Alpha.
And he is pretty cool its true.
The Electric Celt
06-23-2005, 10:52
Mr Neon God,sir,you must check the Slaine lad out. Of especial note is 'The horned god'trilogy available in graphic novel format,artwork by Simon Bisley a pioneer of ultra acrylic realism(crikey that sounded like arty b****x)and a script by Pat Mills that expertly weaves the old Tuath de Dannan legends of Ireland into a relevant visceral whole...the battles are to die for!
The Blind King of Bohemia
06-23-2005, 11:08
I'm really trying to get hold of one of his comics when he travels in time and arrives in scotland just as william wallaces rebellion is in full swing. I can't remember the name of it though.
The Electric Celt
06-23-2005, 11:52
Sorry fellow when that whole time travel thing started,Robin Hood,Boudicca et al I kinda switched off,Mills should have had the respect for his creation it deserved and after his 7 year reign as sun king despatched him with the blessing of Slaine's people.Though ,The blood god and the one true word tale had some interesting ideas.All I can suggest is the 2000 a.d website see if there's a database
InsaneApache
06-23-2005, 12:06
Didnt know 200AD was still going? ..... I havnt read it in 20 odd years ....
@The Electric Celt hey up lad...si thee. wizz tha from? A Yorkshire lad eh? well I'll go t'fut ov our stairs. ~:cheers: ~;) :bow:
The Electric Celt
06-23-2005, 12:22
Ay fella from Castleford,or Cas Vegas as it's known 'ere abouts,next door to Pontecarlo As MTW's eating my social life,this forums starting to tuck into my worklife,2000 A.D's still out there, I stopped collecting in 1991,had a few drawings published.From where do you hail my tyke/native american friend?
InsaneApache
06-23-2005, 12:32
Ay fella from Castleford,or Cas Vegas as it's known 'ere abouts,next door to Pontecarlo As MTW's eating my social life,this forums starting to tuck into my worklife,2000 A.D's still out there, I stopped collecting in 1991,had a few drawings published.From where do you hail my tyke/native american friend?
Ahh good old Cas...and Pontecarlo ~D I worked in Glasshoughton in the 80's...
Me? I live within sight ov Ilkla moor (ba'tat) good ol' Bradford sur la Moor...thas a few tykes on this board, we should start a club ~:cheers:
Nice to meet ya ~:cool:
Batman > spiderman; the batman universe is just that more interesting. I haven't seen batman begins (yet), but the first two were so awesome. I am mentally blocking the ones by Joel 'no talent' Schumacher, they don't exist.
The Blind King of Bohemia
06-23-2005, 15:15
On the 2000 ad front another great fav was Marshal law who basically went round and kicked super heros arses. Weird artwork but enjoyable
http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/m/marshlaw.jpg
I also loved the 2000ad spin-off Toxic comic in the early nineties. Got most of them, always made me laugh that did.
InsaneApache
06-23-2005, 15:23
and wasnt Stallone just silly as Judge Dread, it ruined what could/should have been a fantastic movie.
Still I've heard good stuff about the new Batman, let's hope it's as good as it reported to be.
The Electric Celt
06-23-2005, 15:29
Aaawww Toxic was the dog's nuts!,Marshal Law with that insane Kev Smith,nemesis artwork.
What was that assassin guy story? LOVED THAT!
Can't remember many more...but I've got this picture in my head of a huge skinhead trucker pulling trailers of radioactive waste around and scraping dead flies from the arm he held constantly out the window,and scoffing 'em
2000 a.d released a sister mag called Crisis I was well into,3rd world war,The new statesmen However after about 40 issues it disapeared up it's own.....a bit too p.c
The Blind King of Bohemia
06-23-2005, 15:31
Batman is ace mate, truely its such a cool film i can't praise it enough! ~D
Yeah and Judge Dread did suck but what you gonna do? ~D
The Electric Celt
06-23-2005, 15:32
Yeah comrade,they destroyed Dredd,always wanted Clint for that role(But funnily would have been disappointed if he actually took it)
The Blind King of Bohemia
06-23-2005, 15:34
I loved Toxic mate. The Driver( How sick was that?), Dinner Ladies from Hell, Coffin( Huge Black God with a severe attitude). I was really angry when they stopped it man. It was one of the coolest comics ever!
Was the assassin the accident man or was that someone else?
The Electric Celt
06-23-2005, 15:39
Accident man that's it,had demolition man going round my noggin but that was more Stallone pap...Hey Apache reckon we can organise an 'ex-pat' tyke bastion then?
Hunter KIng George
06-23-2005, 16:00
Obviously they are both very intelligent, another thing is Batman is wealthy which gives that advantage w/his gadgets. But Spidey gets my vote simply for his mutant powers. Even though w/planning Batman would find a way...but if they went mano to mano Spidey should have no problem beating the bat crusader.
Mr Neon God,sir,you must check the Slaine lad out. Of especial note is 'The horned god'trilogy available in graphic novel format,artwork by Simon Bisley a pioneer of ultra acrylic realism(crikey that sounded like arty b****x)and a script by Pat Mills that expertly weaves the old Tuath de Dannan legends of Ireland into a relevant visceral whole...the battles are to die for!
Sounds like my kind of fun. Are they available on the left side of the pond?
Big King Sanctaphrax
06-23-2005, 22:06
My favourite 2000 AD character was always Johnny Alpha. Never mess with a man with a short range teleporter.
Nemesis the Warlock ruled too.
InsaneApache
06-23-2005, 23:16
So would Johnny Alpha pwn Judge Dread?
Answers on a postacrd please ~D
Big King Sanctaphrax
06-23-2005, 23:23
Alpha would just go back in time and kill Dredd when he was a baby.
InsaneApache
06-23-2005, 23:37
but...but...Dread...well, he's the law, so Alpha would do some hard labour then....well for a minute or two ~;)
English assassin
06-24-2005, 10:10
Eh? Jonny has time bombs but he can't time travel, surely?
Pretty tough call. I reckon hand to hand Dredd would pwn Alpha, even with his electronux. Each tooled up though I'd back Jonny: X ray vision, time bombs, and the trusty "number four" cartridge must give him the edge.
Of course unless somweone put a price on Dredd Jonny wouldn't be wasting his time and since Dredd would never break the law it couldn't happen.
[PS BKS you'll have to explain Nemesis to us I could never work out what the .... was going on. Mind you that robot warlock in the ABC warriors, now he was cool. Poor old Hammerstein, what a square in comparison.]
The Electric Celt
06-24-2005, 10:39
Ah Nemesis,masterwork of twisted ink,another Pat Mills creation,Basically he was some dark lord alien/demon thingy,battling Torquemada,a future fascist/inquisition type,lord of the termite empire,head ot the terminators,great story developement to book nine, where the social parallels really kicked in,don't know after that .But yeah the ABC warriors got introduced,Hammerstein,Deadlock(One mean s.o.b)et al
A huge interdimensional dragon beastie ate Jonny Alpha back in 1988 I think
Starting to realise what a nerd I might be ~D
InsaneApache
06-24-2005, 10:58
Mind you after all that.... Rogue trooper would take BOTH Judge Dread and Johnny Alpha whilst sat watching tv and eating one of those burritos thats too hot for God ~:)
At the same time btw ~:cool:
Big King Sanctaphrax
06-24-2005, 17:50
Eh? Jonny has time bombs but he can't time travel, surely?
I just took the answer from Prog 2000-they did a sort of mock tournament with every series they'd ever run in, and when Dredd went up against SD, that's what they said happened. So, I assume he can time travel somewhat.
The EC pretty much summed up Nemesis. The artwork was what I really enjoyed about it.
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