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Gawain of Orkeny
06-25-2005, 01:39
How is it that there should be no Jews in Palestine?


The high cost of Gaza housing
Clifford D. May (archive)

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Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice announced this week that Israeli and Palestinian officials had agreed to demolish more than a thousand Israeli settlers' homes in Gaza.

The New York Times reported: “Palestinian officials were not eager to keep the red-roofed, middle-class homes” which, they indicated, were not appropriate to current needs.

A key concern for Israelis, one surmises, is that in the wake of their “disengagement” from Gaza, news broadcasts around the world would show Palestinians flying the flags of terrorist organizations from those red, middle-class roofs.

Such a display would lend credence to the claim that the Israelis had been forced to leave Gaza -- as they earlier had been driven out of Lebanon, and as they will, one day, be expelled from every inch of Israel. This week, Hamas pledged yet again that “the jihad” against “the Zionist entity” would “continue until victory or martyrdom” – i.e. until they wipe the Jewish state off the map or die trying.

In addition to concern about encouraging dreams of conquest and genocide, Israeli officials also must have worried about the psychological impact that images of Arabs taking over Jewish homes would have had on their own citizens -- particularly those Israelis who come from Arab lands.

It is often forgotten that half of all Israeli Jews trace their roots to such places as Baghdad, Cairo and Tripoli. Jewish communities were well established in many Middle Eastern and North African capitals hundreds of years before those capitals were conquered and occupied, beginning in the 7th century, by armies from the Arabian Peninsula, carrying the banner of the new faith of Islam.

Iraq, for example, was for millennia home to a prominent Jewish minority. As late as 1948 one of every four Baghdadis was Jewish. After the U.N. partition of Palestine, however, hundreds of Iraqi Jews were executed. Others were imprisoned. Jewish homes were confiscated. Eventually most Jews fled.

In Yemen, by contrast, Jews had long endured a kind of apartheid. They were not allowed to walk on pavements or ride horses. They were forced to clean the public toilets. By law, Jewish orphans had to be converted to Islam. Not surprisingly, once Israel was established, virtually all Yemeni Jews sought refuge there.

Egypt was among the leaders of the “jihad” declared against Israel in 1948. This was to be, in the words of Arab League Secretary Azzam Pasha, “a war of extermination.”

As Egyptian soldiers invaded Israel, mobs attacked the Jewish quarter of Cairo and Egyptian authorities shipped Jews suspected of sympathizing with Israel to concentration camps in the Sinai desert.

In all, close to 900,000 Jews are estimated to have fled Arab-majority countries, leaving behind houses, schools, synagogues, cemeteries and, in many cases, ancient cultures and traditions.

In this same period, an estimated 650,000 Arabs left Israel for Gaza, the West Bank, Jordan and other places.

Also often forgotten: The Palestinian Arabs who remained in Israel were granted citizenship. There are now more than a million Israeli Arabs – about 20 percent of the country's population. While relations with their Jewish neighbors are sometimes strained, they have more rights than Jews in Arab countries had in the past; indeed, they have more rights than Arabs in most Arab countries have in the present.

Mosques in Israel are well attended. Israeli Arabs serve in Israel's parliament and sit on its Supreme Court. Druze and Bedouin Muslims serve in Israel's armed forces and many have given their lives in Israel's defense.

In the Israeli Arab village of Abu Ghosh last year, I met a community leader who proudly told me his grandfather had volunteered to fight against the five invading armies in 1948 and, as a result, had become a great friend of David Ben-Gurion, Israel's first Prime Minister. He pulled out a photo scrap book to prove it.

Only a radical would argue that Israel should not have such Arab citizens. And yet what passes for the moderate view holds that a future Palestinian state must be Judenrein – ethnically cleansed of Jews. Indeed, even “moderate” Jordan has a constitutional provision specifically prohibiting Jews from becoming citizens

It is within this context that Israeli and Palestinian leaders have now agreed to bulldoze those red-roofed, middle-class houses in Gaza. Will this action pave the way – almost literally – toward peace between Israel and a Palestinian state? Or will it represent just the destruction of one additional Jewish community, a reminder of the past, an omen for the future? No one can really say, least of all the Israeli and Palestinian officials who have agreed on this plan – and not much else.

Its a oneway street.

Beirut
06-25-2005, 04:16
There can certainly be Jews in Palestine.

But not when they are allowed to seize large tracks of land only for themselves (as they have done), have ten times the water rights per person vis a vis the Palestinians (as they have done), live in armed compounds with Israeli tanks and snipers surrounding them threatening to kill anyone who comes near (as they have done), have apartheid roads open only to Jews (as they have done), suppress the Palestinians in Gaza right to grow what produce they want when they themselves grow anything they want and use valuable water to do it (as they have done), and a host of other things.

Jews should be welcome in Palestine. But Israeli apartheid should not.

Gawain of Orkeny
06-25-2005, 04:18
Jews should be welcome in Palestine. But Israeli apartheid should not.

OMG we agree. However do you think the Palestinans will welcome Jews there?

Byzantine Prince
06-25-2005, 04:19
I think it's obvious what the solution is, join both the state of Israel and the Palestinian territories together and allow people to live whereever they want. Anything less, is racist to say the least.

Why shouldn't arabs live in Israel if they wish to?

Why shouldn't jews live in Gaza if they wish to?

Why isn't Israel like Belgium? :bow:

Gawain of Orkeny
06-25-2005, 04:24
I think it's obvious what the solution is, join both the state of Israel and the Palestinian territories together and allow people to live whereever they want. Anything less, is racist to say the least.

Why shouldn't arabs live in Israel if they wish to?

Why shouldn't jews live in Gaza if they wish to?

Why isn't Israel like Belgium?

Whats the world comng too? First I agree with Beruit on an Israeli matter and now with BP. But what would this nation be called ? Palestine or Israel? If all the arabs who lived there could vote they would be a majority would they not? It certainly would be interesting. Also interesting is the fact that when asked what kind of government the Palestinians would like to have they say one like Israels. Go figure ~:confused:

Don Corleone
06-25-2005, 04:26
No Jews in Jeruslam. No Christians in Jerusalem. The Mosque of the Golden Dome was built to end all of this. No other solution is tolerable. All infidels: Jews, Christians, Buddhist, atheist... out of the city.

Byzantine Prince
06-25-2005, 04:36
Whats the world comng too? First I agree with Beruit on an Israeli matter and now with BP.
I think we all agree that Israel/Palestinian conflict should end with the border disapearing and the place finally getting some peace and quaiet.



But what would this nation be called ? Palestine or Israel?
How about Belgium? ~;)

Just jk, but I think naming the place is the least difficult thing IMO.


If all the arabs who lived there could vote they would be a majority would they not? It certainly would be interesting. Also interesting is the fact that when asked what kind of government the Palestinians would like to have they say one like Israels. Go figure ~:confused:

It could like the european union only it would have two members and they'll share the parliament. Also there should be a secular set of laws enstamblished so no side takes advantage. Oh and extremism should be avoided like the plague. Sadly I doubt this will ever happen though.

GoreBag
06-25-2005, 05:40
Well, the region has been called Palestine for quite some time. If the Israelis don't agree with the nation-state being named Palestine, a hyphenation is always an option.

Tribesman
06-25-2005, 09:07
Why shouldn't arabs live in Israel if they wish to?
Because they would form a majority , it has been a major sticking point in every attempt at a negotiated settlement .
Why shouldn't jews live in Gaza if they wish to?
I have no problem with that , as long as they enjoy equal rights with the other inhabitants .
The partition plan contained provisions for citizens to live where they wanted in either state , but neither side really gave a damn about those provisions , or for that matter the partition plan a a whole .

Beirut
06-25-2005, 10:49
OMG we agree. However do you think the Palestinans will welcome Jews there?

We agree on many things. We just don't know it yet. ~D

Will most Jews be welcome? Of course not.

If you just finished a thirty-year sentence for something you didn't do, would you want the jail guards who imprisoned and brutalized you all that time moving in next door?

Some Jews, perhaps doctors and teachers who have seen past the apartheid mentality of the Israeli government and settlers, might be welcome. It's a start.

Some Palestinians will also be able to see beyond both the past actions of the Israelis and the mindset of their own radical elements and be able to welcome Jewish residents. That's also a start.

It will happen. Slowly.