reappearing factions

[BIG J]

I was wondering how to prevent factions from reappearing. The Almohads just came back in 5 provinces with huge state-of-the-art armies that i have no hope of defeating (all my armies are in long-term wars with the Egyptians and Hungarians). I noticed that my loyalty rating was dropping in many provinces although I have no clue why, i've been winning all my battles (mostly defensive). Any ideas?

[King Henry V]

High loyalty, conversion to your knig's religion and a few strong garrisons all help towards keeping them dead. Some you just can't avoid like the resurgency of the Pope every few years. Also if there are any rebel lands around they are quite likely to pop up there.
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[Mount Suribachi]

Yeah, you can do things to reduce the chances of them, but you can't completely stop them. Keeping your loyalty high (over 120% which is a trigger), also make sure all your empire is connected to your King by sea and land, don't get your King trapped in a castle under siege.

And don't eliminate the papacy until last! Kick them out of Rome, and leave them to rot in the Papal States. The papacy will just keep coming back and back and back... :charge:

[BIG J]

The provinces where they reappeared were at around 160% loyalty and I have an assassin, inquisitor, and cardinal in all my provinces. One thing i noticed is that when I stopped my invasion of 1 Hungarian province the Almohads didn't reappear. Does attacking lower loyalty ratings, even if I win?

[viermaaldomi]

I don't think attacking lowers loyalty. I suppose you checked out loyalty after the almos reappeared? What probably happened is:your king wasn't "connected" to those provinces in the previous turn because of a blockade or something and then the next turn he was "connected" again. The distance between your king and a province is very important for loyalty so make sure there isn't a blockade.

[Procrustes]

Well, some of this is repeated but...

You need to keep loyalty about 120% to prevent reappearances - you need to keep it above 100% to avoid rebellions.

I've seen it said that when your king is leading an attacking army, your provinces are all "out of communication" for that turn. I am not sure it's true, and I'm not sure if it is a bug or if it was intended.

You can only get a reappearance if there was an underage heir when the faction dissapeared. The computer continues to keep track of that person - they don't die with the regime. If loyalty goes below 120% and that person has come of age, you may get a reappearance that turn. If a faction has been extinct for a long enough time they will not reappear (as any remaining underage heirs will have died.)

I had a game recently where I ended up in a war with the French, who had driven England to extinction quite some time before. I invaded England on a punative mission and started to move south, when suddenly the English reappeared in Scotland with four buff stacks lead by a 70 year old king. And of course I was now at war with them, as they reappeared in a provice I had just captured and razed.

[squidums]

It would make sense to me that a King is "out of communication" when leading an attack, as he is not even on your soil anymore.

[Martok]

It would make sense to me that a King is "out of communication" when leading an attack, as he is not even on your soil anymore.


I've never noticed anything definitive (as I've never had the time/patience to repeatedly perform experiments to find out) after playing Medieval for over 2 1/2 years. That said, however, there does seem to be a connection between your king being away on campaign and the likelihood of faction re-emergences. This appears to be particularly true if your kingdom/empire is quite large.

Once my empire grows beyond 10-15 provinces, I almost never use my king in battle unless absolutely necessary. Once I'm that big, I usually keep my faction leader parked in a centrally-located province, and/or have him make the occasional "tour" of his lands to help keep the masses happy.

[Ironside]

I've never noticed anything definitive (as I've never had the time/patience to repeatedly perform experiments to find out) after playing Medieval for over 2 1/2 years. That said, however, there does seem to be a connection between your king being away on campaign and the likelihood of faction re-emergences. This appears to be particularly true if your kingdom/empire is quite large.

It's hard to see as the loyalty drop only happens during the turn, so you cannot see it, but only the effectss (mass rebellions). Why you can use your king as general with a small empire is because the importance of the "distance to the king" grows with size.

[King Henry V]

Playing as the Byzantines once I had conquered all the Middle East and my Empreror was in Sicily besieging the Sicilian king in Palermo Castle. When the castle fell, although I already had a sea connection between it and my mainland, when the castle fell one of the buildings destroyed was the port. Since my king was cut off loyalty in Constantinople dropped from 170% on Very High, to 60% on Very Low taxes. It was the same accross the board (although recently conquered Arabia had only a small garrison but didn't rebel). I ended the turn and all my Empire and my Homelands were in full rebellion. The Egyptians reappeared in 8 provinces! So I did the only thing I could do. I went back to autosave. There I quickly moved my Emperor out of Sicily and revolution and reappearance was averted.

[BIG J]

Thanks for the advice. It turns out the king not being connected was the answer. I removed him from the attacking army and there were no reappearances/revolts. ~:)

[Martok]

Playing as the Byzantines once I had conquered all the Middle East and my Empreror was in Sicily besieging the Sicilian king in Palermo Castle. When the castle fell, although I already had a sea connection between it and my mainland, when the castle fell one of the buildings destroyed was the port. Since my king was cut off loyalty in Constantinople dropped from 170% on Very High, to 60% on Very Low taxes. It was the same accross the board (although recently conquered Arabia had only a small garrison but didn't rebel). I ended the turn and all my Empire and my Homelands were in full rebellion. The Egyptians reappeared in 8 provinces! So I did the only thing I could do. I went back to autosave. There I quickly moved my Emperor out of Sicily and revolution and reappearance was averted.


Heh. There's nothing like learning the heard way, is there? ~;) Yeah, I never take my king onto an island province anymore unless I already own it--and even then I don't do it more often than I have to. So playing factions like the Sicilians is a rather dicey proposition at times--although they do teach you to pay attention to your naval forces and not ignore their importance!

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I had that once with Crete and the English. Fortunately I have large garrisons in a few provinces. So I retreated back to N Europe and slogged it out against the rebels. It extended the campaing quite a bit.

[el_slapper]

Have seen a bizarre once.... France does send a crusade towards Finland. A prince does lead the crusade. the crusade is allowed to walk through the HRE.

And France disappears. Pooof, no more crusade.

10 years later, France reappears in Finland ~D . They didn't last much, though...