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Skomatth
06-29-2005, 18:49
I want to know what it means for a government to be legal. I'm reading a book called American Scripture and I came across this passage


The execution of its [the Second Continental Congress] decisions was frequntly delegated to local committess organized under the Continental Association of 1774, or to the governments of the various colonies, which in late 1775 consisted of extra-legal congresses or conventions that had assumed control after royal government collapsed, quasi-legal institutions such as those of Massachusetts, and, in Rhode Island, Connecticut, and Pennsylvania, the still-standing legal governments of the colonial past.

I have a basic idea, but I'm wondering if someone could give a precise definition.

Byzantine Prince
06-29-2005, 18:54
I guess a governement that abides to international law(whatever that is), or a government that is acknowlidged by major organizations.

bmolsson
06-30-2005, 03:51
A government is legal if it has the force to stay in power. That would be the practical approach to it.......

King of Atlantis
06-30-2005, 04:00
Well i believe somebody in america(president?) decides which governments to reconize, ex: we dont reconize cuba as a "legal" government. I assume it the sme in most countries.

Kanamori
06-30-2005, 05:52
I want to know what it means for a government to be legal.

I think a government would be legal if it were created, or modified, by an existing authority, or if it were created agreeably within existing custom or by a consensus.

I am fairly sure that, in this context, "quasi-legal" refers to the difference between the authority of "the people", congress, and the the established authority of the English Government. "Extra-legal" implies that some of the "representative" congresses or local governments weren't actually representative and definitely weren't approved by the English authority. I would reckon though that Pindar would be the best person to ask in this matter.

Kanamori
06-30-2005, 05:57
Bmolsson's approach would certainly be a practical definition though if the definition of "legal" was simplified to "right (to)"; which it often is, but I do not believe it is in the case of your quote.

English assassin
06-30-2005, 09:45
I suspect different academics will use the term differently. It seems to me that a legal government is one appointed in accordance with that country's then-existing constitutional rules for appointing a government. As opposed to a revolutionary government which has come to power otherwise than by those rules, albeit it may still very effectively exercise governmental powers.

I don't know what the situation is in the US but in the UK we recognise states rather than governments, thereby avoiding having to decide who is the "real" government in a civil war. So in our context at least "legal government" cannot mean "internationally recognised government".

In the section you quote though, unless the "legal" governments were asserting that they were governments by right of their place within the british constitutional structure, I think all the author means is that they were the same bodies and people who had previously been part of that struture albeit they were now independent. My US history is vague but it seems to me they can't truly have been legal if they were in a state of rebellion.