Political Views

[Ice]

How do you consider yourself?

[ichi]

definately a libertarian, but if I was in charge I'd switch to fascist

a kinder, gentler fascist of course

ichi :bow:

[Gawain of Orkeny]

ichi definately a libertarian, but if I was in charge I'd switch to fascis

This shows you the diversity of America and why people have a hard time understanding it as me and the honorable Ichi san are both libertarians. Who"da thought we think alike? ~D

[xemitg]

I hope more people do this poll..... it will be interesting to see how it turns out

[Big_John]

i'm not sure how to vote.. i'm kind of a half-assed libertarian. i have socially-liberal tendencies. as far as economics and IR goes, i'm probably a moderate..

[Xiahou]

I'm Republican- one that doesn't think his party is doing a very good job of following their own professed beliefs. :embarassed:

[sharrukin]

Where's Conservative?

[Big_John]

same place as liberal...


~:handball:

[Redleg]

libertarian is probably the closest politicial describtion for how I view my politicial stance. I am not reistered for any party - so there goes Goofball's assumption that I am a Republican.

I vote for the individual that I best think can fullfil the job and has the most items of his agenda that falls in line on how I think about politics.

Social programs are best handled at the community level.

National level government should only focus on those item stated in the Constitution and let the state governments focus on the areas that are not covered by the Federal Government has visioned by the Founding Fathers.

[King of Atlantis]

Well im really a king, but you didnt have monarchey ~;)

Im kinda a democrat though i disagree with many of there policies.

[Franconicus]

Part of everything - except fascist.

[Duke Malcolm]

I don't know, I don't think any of them

Republican - No, because I avidly support monarchy

Democrat - No, because I would rather have a pseudo democracy, where not everyone can vote

Libertarian - Not a clue what this is

Statest - as above

Moderate - Assuming this is between right and left, I still don't know what it entails

Socialist - No, because I don't believe in making the rich poorer

Communist - No, because I am not working class and as above

Fascist - No, because I think races should be equal

[Ronin]

this topic brings up again the problem of assigning political labels when americans and europeans aren´t talking out of the same handbook....

to answer the question......

on an european sense - Moderate
on an american sense -Liberal/socialist/commie/pinko.....the list of things i´ve been called goes on and on..

[JAG]

We msut have done this a billion times before.

Yes, I voted socialist.

[Templar Knight]

its easier to say gah! ~;)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I voted gah...I'll think about it again when it's time for an election. I don't really know enough about economics or foreign affairs to know where I stand.

[PanzerJaeger]

Benevolent fascist - which includes beliefs in a strong military, aggressive foriegn policy, traditionalism, nationalism, anti-communism/socialism, government-industry cooperation, a strong role for the military in the government and does not include beliefs in genocide, concentration camps, political assassinations and all those nasty habits that gave fascism such a bad name in the 30s.

[GoreBag]

If I was to put a label on myself, it would probably be closest to national socialism. I voted gah.

[Radier]

I´m a rightwinged nationalist and believe in a strong military, long sentences for criminals, low taxes und so weiter... My contry has a socialistic government and it´s falling apart. Sweden is poorer and poorer for every year and only the right can do something about it.

[King of Atlantis]

:embarassed: Im the only democrat.

Looks like the majority party at the org is gahs!

[Radier]

I´m a democrat and loves democrazy ~;)

Just not an ´american´ democrat.

[t1master]

gah!

i knew ichi and gawain where jack booted thugs... :OP

[King of Atlantis]

Man so many Libertarians! :dizzy2:

[Al Khalifah]

Well I guess I'll go Republican then.

[doc_bean]

I'm sort of a socialist libertarian liberal.

I believe healthcare and education should be available (and if possible, free of charge, otherwise it should be affordable for everyone) to everyone, rich and poor. I don't believe in taking from the rich and giving to the poor, I'd rather see the government giving everyone the same benefits, the rich can be taxed more than the poor, but it should be reasonable. This makes me a socialist in US terms i guess, but I'm more a libertarian in Europe, because our governments are much larger and take on much more than in the US, too much imho.

I'm a liberal because I just don't care what people do in private as long as it doesn't hurt (non-consenting) other people.

[ShadesWolf]

Im in the UK
Im right of centre

So I would imagine that makes me a Republican

[lars573]

I voted Gah as none of the choices describe me.

[Don Corleone]

I consider myself a libertarian. In truth, the only party I really find offering any kind of exciting new ideas was the Reform party (before it got hijacked by Pat Buchanan). I'm registered Republican, because my state doesn't have free primaries, and you have to declare a party affiliation and I see primaries as the only real choice (elections tend to be cartoonish). Bush vs. Kerry, no real choice. Bush vs. McCain... Hmmmm......

[King of Atlantis]

Im in the UK
Im right of centre

So I would imagine that makes me a Republican

actually wouldnt a eurpean right, be more like a democrat?

[JAG]

I'm sort of a socialist libertarian liberal.

I believe healthcare and education should be available (and if possible, free of charge, otherwise it should be affordable for everyone) to everyone, rich and poor. I don't believe in taking from the rich and giving to the poor, I'd rather see the government giving everyone the same benefits, the rich can be taxed more than the poor, but it should be reasonable. This makes me a socialist in US terms i guess, but I'm more a libertarian in Europe, because our governments are much larger and take on much more than in the US, too much imho.

I'm a liberal because I just don't care what people do in private as long as it doesn't hurt (non-consenting) other people.

I think your analysis of where you are is brilliant. You are prety much the standard 'liberal' over here, definately in the UK anyway. Our Liberal Democrats are pretty much exactly what you state - for social fairness, but social fairness which creates a situation equal for everyone, rather than trying to actively do more for those nearer the bottom than at the middle. And also for a strong capitalist system.

I disagree fundamentally with some of the views expressed by them, but you have to respect European liberals, they talk sense most of the time. :bow:

And Shadeswolf is most definately a Republican. ~;)

[poirot]

Fascists 2 votes? WTF? I cannot help but use the language. I am outraged!

[PanzerJaeger]

The three pinkos didnt phase you though? ~;)

[King Henry V]

I'm a through and through Conservative, with monarchical tendencies.

[GonZ]

English Nationalist :)

[poirot]

The three pinkos didnt phase you though? ~;)

Nah! I am a socialist. Communists are my cousins.

[Franconicus]

Benevolent fascist - which includes beliefs in a strong military, aggressive foriegn policy, traditionalism, nationalism, anti-communism/socialism, government-industry cooperation, a strong role for the military in the government and does not include beliefs in genocide, concentration camps, political assassinations and all those nasty habits that gave fascism such a bad name in the 30s.
Panzer, why do you want strong military, aggressive foreign policy and government-industry coop?
By the way, reading your list I guess the former Soviet Union would have been the ideal nation for you:

strong military - yes
aggressive foreign policy - yes
traditionalism - yes
nationalism - no doubt
anticommunsim/socialism - without any doubt
gov-ind-coop - yes
strong role for military in gov. - for sure
:no:
Man, are you stalinist? :no:

[Kagemusha]

I am a moderate=independent. :bow:

[Marcellus]

I am one of the many people who voted Gah!, because I think that I belong to more than one of those political camps, and I could not put myself into one of them above the others.

[Red Harvest]

I'm sort of a socialist libertarian liberal.

I believe healthcare and education should be available (and if possible, free of charge, otherwise it should be affordable for everyone) to everyone, rich and poor. I don't believe in taking from the rich and giving to the poor, I'd rather see the government giving everyone the same benefits, the rich can be taxed more than the poor, but it should be reasonable. This makes me a socialist in US terms i guess, but I'm more a libertarian in Europe, because our governments are much larger and take on much more than in the US, too much imho.

I'm a liberal because I just don't care what people do in private as long as it doesn't hurt (non-consenting) other people.

That's fairly close to my own views. I'll add in that I'm in favor of well regulated, but open markets to keep competition strong and to encourage the wise use of capital (rather than bubble building.) I'm anti-protectionist, free market with respect to trade--except of course when facing closed markets in other nations...

I'm also, tough on crime particularly white collar (because of their impact) and violent offenders, and definitely want drugs kept free of the workplace, but I think the way drugs and drug addiction are handled in the US is largely ineffective--some legalization, and a different approach to addiction and the supply chain could eliminate most of the drug crime.

Military matters: kick the snot out of aggressors as soon as they clearly cross the line. Unless they fully correct the problem, they must be removed from power. When engaged, hit hard, don't agonize over every unintended death.

Gun/self defense issues: I have a right to defend myself as I see fit.

[Red Harvest]

I was split between Gah! and moderate. I'm more independent than moderate...although I do have some moderate views too...

My selection of moderate is assuming that "moderate" was being classed as "independent." Otherwise...add me to the Gah! camp.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

My selection of moderate is assuming that "moderate" was being classed as "independent." Otherwise...add me to the Gah! camp.

Have you ever voted democratic? If being an "independent." makes you a moderate then I surely qualify. It may surprise you to kow I never voted for a republican for any position including dog catcher. Then again I havent voted democratic either. I aways vote for an independent candidate.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Take Franco. Take one step to the right economically. There's me.

[PanzerJaeger]

Panzer, why do you want strong military, aggressive foreign policy and government-industry coop?
By the way, reading your list I guess the former Soviet Union would have been the ideal nation for you:

strong military - yes
aggressive foreign policy - yes
traditionalism - yes
nationalism - no doubt
anticommunsim/socialism - without any doubt
gov-ind-coop - yes
strong role for military in gov. - for sure

Man, are you stalinist?

You seriously misjudge the soviet union on your list there.

Soviets were definately not traditionalists and they were communists so I find it hard you see them as anti-communist. They also had the biggest genocide in history.. or series of genocides.. so that wouldnt do.

You could say im directly opposite of a stalinist..

[Franconicus]

Take Franco. Take one step to the right economically. There's me.
Kaiser,
I hoped your Europe trip would give you new ideas. You should really think again. I guess you are too smart to be fascist.

[Franconicus]

You seriously misjudge the soviet union on your list there.

Soviets were definately not traditionalists and they were communists so I find it hard you see them as anti-communist. They also had the biggest genocide in history.. or series of genocides.. so that wouldnt do.

You could say im directly opposite of a stalinist..

We have some Russians in the org. Maybe they can give their opinion.
Stalin a communist ~D ~D ~D ~D
That is a big joke. He was the badest enemy of communism of all times.
Traditionalists? I do not know what you mean with that. But since WW2 they tried to keep tradition high.

[Papewaio]

Take Franco. Take one step to the right economically. There's me.

Wow, Spain was such an economic powerhouse and nobel prize winner and and and manufacturer of cork under Franco.

1 out of 3 ain't so bad...

[Crazed Rabbit]

Libertarian:
People should be able to do most things as long as they don't hurt others, and the gov't will not give handouts to anyone.

You keep what you make, and the lazy don't get to take it.

Crazed Rabbit

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Wow, Spain was such an economic powerhouse and nobel prize winner and and and manufacturer of cork under Franco.

1 out of 3 ain't so bad...
Well, let me list my basic beleifs (which I have been told are similar to Franco's, but I'm not sure anyway. 'Sides, franco was the best leader spain had since...ever...) and let you decide what I am.
1. In the total sanctity of the "U.S. Constitution" and the "Bill of Rights.
2. In a strong disciplined Armed Forces
3. A strong centralized government should not infringe on the rights of the individual states or the citizens of those states.
4. The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
5. The immoral and decadent trend in society must be stopped.
6. Family farms should be preserved and protected.
7. In the traditional family unit which is mother, father & child.
8. Public displays of homosexual behavior should be outlawed.
9. That what consenting adults do in private is between them and God and not the government's business no matter how filthy, perverted and disgusting it is.
10. The immediate end to the onslaught of illegal immigration and a cap on all legal immigration.
11. In fighting against Communism, Socialism, Radical Islam
12. That English should always remain our national language and that to become a citizen of the U.S. one should have a working knowledge of English.
13. That non-citizens should not have the same rights, privileges and benefits that citizens have.
14. That being against something is not hate, it is free expression.
15. The United States should use any and all means necessary to rid Lebanon of Syrian control.
16. That voluntary prayer and the "Ten Commandments" be put back in our schools.
17. That abortion is murder and anyone performing abortions is a murderer.
18. That Euthanasia is murder and its movement should be stopped before it spreads.
19. That illegal immigrants are breaking the law and therefore are criminals and that an honest aggressive effort should be made to deport them.
20. That the U.S. should boycott and stop all foreign aid to nations that persecute or permit the persecution of Religious minorities
21. That as of September 11th 2001 these United States of America are at war with terrorists in particular but not limited to Radical Islamic Terrorists and that every effort should be made to insure the safety of our citizens both here and abroad. That the National Guard be used to patrol and protect the integrity of our borders.
22. That Veterans of the Armed Forces of the United States of America should be given the best health care available and that the U.S. Veteran's Administration should honor their responsibility to American Veterans instead of the current policy of finding ways to neglect that responsibility.... the neglect that has resulted in the unnecessary deaths of thousands of American Veterans.
23. In using all of our resources to break us away from foreign oil dependency by tapping into our vast oil reserves in Alaska and other places. We look to the eventual replacement of fossil fuels with hydrogen, the most plentiful element in the universe. The U.S. must be self sufficient in energy.
24. The worrying military buildup of China and it's past actions in Tibet etc have made China an enemy of demorcracy and justice ,and the United States must do all in it's power to protect the indeopendence of Taiwan and other states threatened by this communist powerhouse.

While not Fascism, being as I beleive in Demorcacy and Freedom, it is definatly far to the right.

[scooter_the_shooter]

Dang capo that is almost word for word what i want.



and a cap on all legal immigration.



what do you mean by this though.

I think it should be harder to get here legally but not stop immigration

Mandatory let them in if they join the military for no less then 10 years. I think

[Kaiser of Arabia]

It means that only x amount of immigrants can enter the nation every year.

[scooter_the_shooter]

Ok capo go run for president ~:cheers: you got my vote

[Cronos Impera]

The people should have the legal capacity to adopt laws through referndums. That way you have a total democracy. You dissolve pParliment and allow the people to vote laws in their intrest. That way the only elected man is the president. Does someone agree with me? Giving power to the citizens instead of org.s should create a true democracy. USA's anti-immigration laws are governned by the peoples's intrest...hahaha.

[scooter_the_shooter]

Do you mean we should let ANYONE in thats crazy talk if you do.

[Al Khalifah]

You could say im directly opposite of a stalinist..
This is my problem with the historical far-left and far-right. They were both so terribly similar. It's why I'm not a huge fan of the left-right system for use in Governmental organisation structures.

[JimBob]

voted Gah! but I believe in:
-Direct democracy
-Communalism
-The disbanding of oppresive or dangerous organizations and corporations
-The government is given power to defend borders from external threat, and keep the commons (roads, rail, air, powerlines, water, the things the every citizen owns). Beyond that a community runs and supports itself.
-Citizens have complete individual rights, but in addition to that complete individual responsibility.
-So long as it hurts none it is legal.
the rest is social stuff, like a return to the traditional family (extended family plus that other guy), getting rid of consumerism, ect.


'Sides, franco was the best leader spain had since...ever...
actually the best ruler spain ever had was the spainish people through groups like FAI, CNT, FIJL, and Mujeres Libres. Franco was shall we say, disapointing.

[Franconicus]

Well, let me list my basic beleifs (which I have been told are similar to Franco's, but I'm not sure anyway. 'Sides, franco was the best leader spain had since...ever...) and let you decide what I am.
1. In the total sanctity of the "U.S. Constitution" and the "Bill of Rights.
2. In a strong disciplined Armed Forces
3. A strong centralized government should not infringe on the rights of the individual states or the citizens of those states.
4. The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
5. The immoral and decadent trend in society must be stopped.
6. Family farms should be preserved and protected.
7. In the traditional family unit which is mother, father & child.
8. Public displays of homosexual behavior should be outlawed.
9. That what consenting adults do in private is between them and God and not the government's business no matter how filthy, perverted and disgusting it is.
10. The immediate end to the onslaught of illegal immigration and a cap on all legal immigration.
11. In fighting against Communism, Socialism, Radical Islam
12. That English should always remain our national language and that to become a citizen of the U.S. one should have a working knowledge of English.
13. That non-citizens should not have the same rights, privileges and benefits that citizens have.
14. That being against something is not hate, it is free expression.
15. The United States should use any and all means necessary to rid Lebanon of Syrian control.
16. That voluntary prayer and the "Ten Commandments" be put back in our schools.
17. That abortion is murder and anyone performing abortions is a murderer.
18. That Euthanasia is murder and its movement should be stopped before it spreads.
19. That illegal immigrants are breaking the law and therefore are criminals and that an honest aggressive effort should be made to deport them.
20. That the U.S. should boycott and stop all foreign aid to nations that persecute or permit the persecution of Religious minorities
21. That as of September 11th 2001 these United States of America are at war with terrorists in particular but not limited to Radical Islamic Terrorists and that every effort should be made to insure the safety of our citizens both here and abroad. That the National Guard be used to patrol and protect the integrity of our borders.
22. That Veterans of the Armed Forces of the United States of America should be given the best health care available and that the U.S. Veteran's Administration should honor their responsibility to American Veterans instead of the current policy of finding ways to neglect that responsibility.... the neglect that has resulted in the unnecessary deaths of thousands of American Veterans.
23. In using all of our resources to break us away from foreign oil dependency by tapping into our vast oil reserves in Alaska and other places. We look to the eventual replacement of fossil fuels with hydrogen, the most plentiful element in the universe. The U.S. must be self sufficient in energy.
24. The worrying military buildup of China and it's past actions in Tibet etc have made China an enemy of demorcracy and justice ,and the United States must do all in it's power to protect the indeopendence of Taiwan and other states threatened by this communist powerhouse.

While not Fascism, being as I beleive in Demorcacy and Freedom, it is definatly far to the right.
You are not fascist, but you are dangerous!

[PanzerJaeger]

You are not fascist, but you are dangerous!


Fascism as I described it earlier would produce a strong and happy nation. It should not be abandoned simply because the ideology was hijacked by dictators in the 30s/40s. Every ideology was to a certain extent!

[Franconicus]

Strong and happy? It rather be aggresive and oppressive!

Why do so many people in the US think that a strong army is good? They really do not have to defend the borders! Do they think a strong army is good for the society? It isn't!
To me the US army and the military industry with all its influence is a threat for the US.

[Papewaio]

Capo I would not call that a facist list. Maybe Nationalist, but not particularly so.

However I do think at a glance two of your points contradict each other:

1. In the total sanctity of the "U.S. Constitution" and the "Bill of Rights.
&
13. That non-citizens should not have the same rights, privileges and benefits that citizens have.

[Lazul]

I´m a rightwinged nationalist and believe in a strong military, long sentences for criminals, low taxes und so weiter... My contry has a socialistic government and it´s falling apart. Sweden is poorer and poorer for every year and only the right can do something about it.

we have almost world leading living standards.

as for military, what the hell is sweden going to do with a strong military, the state is poor enough as it is to be forced to raise taxes for more military!

As we are part of the EU, we dont really need to fear an invasion.... ehr, where ever that invasion was to come from. Im all for reforming the military in Sweden, but not expanding it.

Long sentences for criminals? how long?

low taxes? so we should privitize all hospitals and so on? the railroad system? roadsystem? Schools? The Social-Democrats are allready doing such a good job at fullfilling your dreams...slowly.

[Lazul]

wow, when reading this list im kinda suprised so many in here could have been close buddies with Stalin, Franco, Moussulini (sp?) and Hitler.
For you people WW2 must have been a tragic defeat.

Good thing my semi-spanish friend didnt read this since his uncle had to flee from Spain during Franco. Franco was... more or less, part of the "scum of the earth" together with Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and so on.

the stupidity of the human race sure is everlasting.

[Franconicus]

... believe in a strong military, ...
Can anybody explain what that means? You may believe in God, humanity, everlasting stupidity of human race ..., but how can someone believe in strong military? Is it the kind of militarism that Prussia used to have and that the American prohibited?

[scooter_the_shooter]

that means you want your countries military to be strong, well trained, willing to fight, well funded etc

[Franconicus]

why not believe in a strong police or fire fighters or teachers. Why is the military so important for the US? Noone in Germany would say: I believe in strong military.

[scooter_the_shooter]

You dont become a super power with teachers and police. With out our military we wouldn't be top dog in the superpower league any more. And most american want to stay powerful.

[Ser Clegane]

You dont become a super power with teachers and police. With out our military we wouldn't be top dog in the superpower league any more. And most american want to stay powerful.

I would bet that a lot of Americans, like other people in the world, want to have/keep a high standard of living - good schools/teachers might play a more important role in achieving this than a strong military.

[Franconicus]

You dont become a super power with teachers and police. With out our military we wouldn't be top dog in the superpower league any more. And most american want to stay powerful.
Whow. There was a time when Americans did not only call for lead because of their military. ~:confused:

[Productivity]

You dont become a super power with teachers and police.

That's just rubbish. You need teachers to become a super power. Where do you think the heart of military power comes from. Technological advances, which are underpinned by a strong education system. At the heart of it, the base education system is one of the most important parts of any countries strategic array.

[ah_dut]

Internationalist whacko (some views very left or right of centre.) A bit like Beirut in many respects. Social liberal and crime and punishement? Medievall ~;)

I guess I am quite moderate to an extent, as my extreme views tend to balance each other out. I prefer to trust in common sense than ideology personally. I would rather like to ignore labels and adress things on fact. Oh yes, I am in favour of reforming state benefits etc...too wasteful.

I am quickly becoming more conservative though...liberal and some more idealistic views of life are being drowned by coursework ~D

[scooter_the_shooter]

That's just rubbish. You need teachers to become a super power. Where do you think the heart of military power comes from. Technological advances, which are underpinned by a strong education system. At the heart of it, the base education system is one of the most important parts of any countries strategic array.


You need a strong militaries to be a supper power.. not a bunch of people who know complex math problems. Y

[Productivity]

You need a strong militaries to be a supper power.. not a bunch of people who know complex math problems. Y

Where do you think that strong military comes from. Lets take the coldwar for example. Do you think all of those nukes could have been developed without a strong education system? How about all those tanks that are in Iraq?