Your serious candidate for pres and vice in 08

[Divinus Arma]

Okay. Here tis. Who do you think should run for president and vice in 2008?

Please apply the following conditions:

(a) Either party (and I say either becasue ANY is unrealistic).

(b) Someone who may actually have a shot.

(c) Please be serious. I don't want to see mickey mouse and superman here.



My choice:

McCain/Powell Credibility all the way around and continued GOP dominance. Ideally I would rather see it Powell/McCain, but I don't think our country has gut the courage for that yet. Besides, if it's mccain/powell, then the next run would be Powell/?. Imagine that. 24 years of straight republican dominance of the white house. Goodbye fractured democratic party. Hello third party.

[King of Atlantis]

McCain is a great choice and this is coming from a democrat.

For democrat choices i hear good things about Obama. He is black, so i dont know what his chances are, but he seems like a good choice.

24 years?? Thats a little optomistic/scary.

[PanzerJaeger]

Rice/Guiliani or Guiliani/Rice

This is a perfect combination of strong foreign policy, yet a moderate domestic agenda.

If the war on terror and foreign policy are still the big issues in 08, id pick Rice for president. If Iraq has toned down and things are going well, Guiliani.

Either way, i think they will bring a youthful spirit to the nation and help promote a strong conservative agenda that transcends the different subcultures of the nation.

[Byzantine Prince]

McCain/Powell Credibility all the way around and continued GOP dominance. Ideally I would rather see it Powell/McCain, but I don't think our country has gut the courage for that yet. Besides, if it's mccain/powell, then the next run would be Powell/?. Imagine that. 24 years of straight republican dominance of the white house. Goodbye fractured democratic party. Hello third party.
I didn't know Clinton was a republican. ~D ~;)

I would say H.Clinton if Democrat, or McCain if Republican. Either of them is pretty good. As long as it's not George Bush again, or his evil cousin Jeb, I'm happy.

[Divinus Arma]

I like giulliani and rice too. I just don't think either is feasible for 08. Although I think McCain is a tad liberal (hell, kerry wanted him as a running mate!), he would shore up support from the center at a time when the Dems are weak anyway. Powell would lend the conservative slant and I think the two are more than enough to stop a Hillary ticket in its tracks.

Then for 2016, we'd have Powell/Guilliani

In 2024 it would be Guilliani/Rice

In 2032 it would be Rice/? Rice would be... like what? 75? That could be a problem.

Then for 2040, it would be Schwarzenegger/Arma. Of course, Arnie would be preserved by super chemicals so his age at 90 plus wouldn't be a big deal.

Then in 2048 I would establish a world dictatorship and create world peace through order and discipline. HAHAHAHAHAHA! *washes hands in the air menacingly* Excellent!

As for Obama, he is overhyped. That is the dems charming little wonderboy.

Sorry. I broke my own rules. But it was alot of fun and so tempting!

[Divinus Arma]

I didn't know Clinton was a republican. ~D ~;)

What? I dont' understand.


I would say H.Clinton if Democrat, or McCain if Republican. Either of them is pretty good. As long as it's not George Bush again, or his evil cousin Jeb, I'm happy.

Hillary MUST be stopped at all cost. The horror. The horror.

[Lemur]

If Hillary wins the Dem primary, then the Democratic party might as well dissolve and make room for another camp. Hil would be a positively suicidal choice. America may be ready for a woman president, but I seriously doubt it's ready for Hillary.

[JAG]

Whatever - I think it is very likely we are going to get a moderate, whoever wins. H.Clinton for the Dems I reckon or mcCain for the GOP - either way a step forward for the US as both of those have earned some of my respect even if they are both capitalist pigs. ~D

[ICantSpellDawg]

hmm

as much as i would like to see Rice as president - if it was hillary in the demo-n seat - id like to see rice as VP
some sort of MODERATE republican male should run as president - even though he would just be the trojan horse to get a women into the top 2 spot

mcain i dont really respect that much - i know he has his own opinion, but i am not convinced - id better do some research

i want to see the abortion issue resolved in some way - and a moderate, im afraid, would most likely avoid this issue

i dont know - i havnt given it as much though as i'd like to yet

[ichi]

Any Democrat except Hilary

Gah!

ichi :bow:

[JimBob]

Russ Feingold, Wisconsin Senator. Someone who is certainly liberal, elected in a 50-50 state. He spends his time in Wisconsin traveling talking to people, he was the only Senator to vote against the PATRIOT ACT(even if you disagree with that, at least he's not a poll driven coward like every other democratic senator). Even if you don't agree with many of his policies he's a reasonable trust worthy guy.
As VP, Clarke maybe give him a little firmer backing.
http://feingold.senate.gov/index.html

[Don Corleone]

Hillary's not a moderate Jag. You have to watch them for more than the year before they decide to run.

Here's my picks, and honestly, I'm not a Republican, I don't know which I like better...

Democrat: Senator Bayh. Moderate on social issues. Conservative on domestic security. A favorite of unions. A Gephardt with guts, if you will.

Republican: Governor Pataki. Pro-choice, pro-immigration Republican that has enough groundswell, and more importantly, few enough enemies in the dominant party, to carry him through.

I agree that the next President must be able to be 'displayed' as a moderate in October of 2008, but Hillary cannot credibly be displayed as a moderate. It would kill her whole platform. If something in the polls indicates America wants a Left turn, she's a great pick.

Condoleeza will not get the vote out from Republicans. She's too internationalist, and she comes off as though she forgets there's 300 million people here too.

Giuliani will be on the next cabinet, but he can never run for the Repubican nomination, and more importantly, he shouldn't. The party of values, laugh all you want, cannot nominate a man who paraded around town with his mistress for 3 years.

[Samurai Waki]

From What I understand is that the Demos won't be supporting Hillary if McCain is going to run for the presidency. McCain looks fairly unbeatable at this point versus anything that the Democrats could possibly throw at him. However if McCain doesn't run for president, then the Democrats would probably go with Hillary, who by public opinion would still probably win against anything the Republicans could throw at her.

Having that Said. I think McCain would be the best choice, he is well liked on both sides, and it's time America has a moderate in charge. I'm sick of way left (Clinton) and Way Right (GWB). Too bad FDR wasn't still alive.

[Byzantine Prince]

(c) Please be serious. I don't want to see mickey mouse and superman here.
Apparently you don't know the backroom very well. We don't usually joke about things like this around here. We are for a lack of a better phrase veteran political animals.


What? I dont' understand.
I was referring to this:
"24 years of straight republican dominance of the white house."
Lol, where is Clinton in those 24 years of republicans in the white house? ~;)

I seriously hope Guliani, Rice, nor Pataki get nominated. Not because they are conservative but because they are incompetent, and not all conservative candidates are(I'm not implying that either).

McCain is the DA man!
Vote for him everyone!

I would vote for Hillary though if I was American, just to piss off all the Bush lovers. Hihi! :jumping:

[Don Corleone]

Apparently you don't know the backroom very well. We don't usually joke about things like this around here. We are for a lack of a better phrase veteran political animals.


I was referring to this:
"24 years of straight republican dominance of the white house."
Lol, where is Clinton in those 24 years of republicans in the white house? ~;)

I seriously hope Guliani, Rice, nor Pataki get nominated. Not because they are conservative but because they are incompetent, and not all conservative candidates are(I'm not implying that either).

McCain is the DA man!
Vote for him everyone!

I would vote for Hillary though if I was American, just to piss off all the Bush lovers. Hihi! :jumping:

Okay, simply because BP is nominating McCain, I want him dead on a beach somewhere. Capos, you know what to do....

Just kidding. Interesting choice for you BP. There's plenty of Democrats, and, for that matter Republicans that better square with your views than McCain. Why him?

[Crazed Rabbit]

For the GOP:

Massachusetts Gov Mitt Romney (sp?) small gov guy, anti-gay marriage, etc. but not pro gun. He might actually carry MA.

Washington Gov in exile Dino Rossi- Former businessman, lost to that slimeball gregoire by 120~ votes where there were at least 1600 fraudulent votes. Seems like a good guy, but not much experience.

Others I can't think of now.

Crazed Rabbit

[Xiahou]

I really have doubts that McCain could win the Republican primary- and I wouldn't want him to. There's got to be a real conservative out there somewhere. I don't see a big government moderate who's beholden to unions as a step in the right direction.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Unles Mc Cain runs as an idependent you can forget about him. He will never win the republican nomination.


Any Democrat except Hilary

So we all know your not voting democratic in ths one then.


Massachusetts Gov Mitt Romney (sp?) small gov guy, anti-gay marriage, etc. but not pro gun. He might actually carry MA.

Hes my favorite so far. A real level headed guy.


McCain/Powell

As I said Mc Cains toast now and Powell promised his wife he would never run. Your dreams over time 2 wake up.

[Don Corleone]

There's no way Romney will ever win the GNP nomination. He's too anti-gun. He's already said he reads the 2nd ammendment to read state-militias and nothing more. More importantly, he supports stem cell research, banning school prayer, and following the Kyoto accords. In my mind, all but the gun issue are sideline issues for a US president, but that should be enough to toast him with conservatives. Left-leaning northeastern fiscally conservative, socially liberal republicans (and by the way, I'm a left-leaning, northeastern, fiscally conservative, socially liberal sometimes republican) don't do well in national elections. Bill Weld anyone?

[PanzerJaeger]

Condoleeza will not get the vote out from Republicans. She's too internationalist, and she comes off as though she forgets there's 300 million people here too.

Too internationalist? Shes doing her job as Sec. of State. And I dont understand the other comment.. she seems nice enough to me.

[Don Corleone]

I love Condi. But she's been NSA her entire career. She has no head for domestic politics. She should be the next Sec of Defense, not the next President.

[King of Atlantis]

If hilary clinton wins then bill would be the first first man. ~D

I hope its not rice.

[Pindar]

McCain will never get the GOP nomination.


Byzantine Prince: your "能力は機会なしの何もでない" Doesn't make sense. The grammar is screwed up.

[King of Atlantis]

If republicans want this country to unite together and to have a very good leader then he will win.

But, still he probably wont win.

[Xiahou]

McCain will never get the GOP nomination.Perhaps he'll run as a 3rd party candidate... he could found the "Media Darling" party. ~D

[Don Corleone]

KOA,

Again, I like you, so don't take this the wrong way... you have to stop looking at politics as a gut reaction and start looking at the big picture.

The Republicans wont' nominate McCain for President because they know better than anyone (from dealing with him over the years) he's fatally flawed int that role, namely, his temper is unstoppable. He would have nuked somebody on Sept. 12th. He is a great an honorable man who served, and continues to serve his country admirably. But President is not an honorary title, and it's not a popularity contest (at least it shouldn't be). It's about who can blend all the multiple competing needs the best. Presidents dont' set agendas, they address them. And I'm sorry "I will make you pay if you screw with me", as much as I admire the shit out of it (and employ it) is not a useful strategy for a President. Unfortunately, that's what McCain is all about.

[Xiahou]

Don, his temper may be problem, but it's his lack of conservative credentials that is the real problem. For example, campaign finance reform and his 'deal' on judicial nominees.

[Don Corleone]

I actually think these stand as plusses. I dont' agree with his stance on either issue, but I'm somewhat of an idealogue, as are you. Who do you think the middle is going to vote for?

[King of Atlantis]

KOA,

Again, I like you, so don't take this the wrong way... you have to stop looking at politics as a gut reaction and start looking at the big picture.

The Republicans wont' nominate McCain for President because they know better than anyone (from dealing with him over the years) he's fatally flawed int that role, namely, his temper is unstoppable. He would have nuked somebody on Sept. 12th. He is a great an honorable man who served, and continues to serve his country admirably. But President is not an honorary title, and it's not a popularity contest (at least it shouldn't be). It's about who can blend all the multiple competing needs the best. Presidents dont' set agendas, they address them. And I'm sorry "I will make you pay if you screw with me", as much as I admire the shit out of it (and employ it) is not a useful strategy for a President. Unfortunately, that's what McCain is all about.


I look at the big picture, but no offense taken

Though he has a temper, as president he would be advised and readvised before he made any rash decision. Maybe he would be suited better as a vp?

But, i know, as well as many here, that he probably wont be voted cause he is a moderate republican and those are few in number these days. Most republicans want more of a conservative than him.

I dont know much about his temper, so when it is actuall relatively close to election time i check it out, or when one of you tells me about it ~;) .

[Xiahou]

I actually think these stand as plusses. I dont' agree with his stance on either issue, but I'm somewhat of an idealogue, as are you. Who do you think the middle is going to vote for?Well, in a general election that might help him but primary voters usually are idealouges. ~;)

McCain has also been soft on illegal immigration (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=840445) and was denounced by the Arizona Republican Association for it. This reminds me does anyone think immigration reform is going to be a big issue for the next election?

[BDC]

You should all go for someone totally different. The same people have ruled America for too long. Time for new blood.

[King of Atlantis]

Like who?

If you want way liberal then thats not going to happen and thats the only "kind" of president there hasnt been.

Or do you mean, not rich, white, male.

If you mean the second the Obama's the one. ~:)

[Kaiser of Arabia]

I think it should be Guiliani-McCain or Guiliani-Rendel (yes I said it)! Both are good choices, and if Rendell, a demonrat (bu, like Zel Miller, a good guy overall, I should know, I live in his state), it will gain more demonratic votes.

For the demonrats, I say they put Howard Dean and John Kerry, but then again they'd lose horribly, which I want. If they want a chance I say H.Clinton and H.Dean or Obama. But against the Guiliani-man, no one is unbeatable.

Okay, simply because BP is nominating McCain, I want him dead on a beach somewhere. Capos, you know what to do....
Consider it done *wink*
I disagree with your candidates, Don, though for two reasons.
A. Pro-Choice
B. Pro-Immigration
We all know the dire situation America is in concerning illegal immigration from the south. We all know that by the year 2060 that if this illegal immigration remains unchecked, America will cease to be the multicultural community that is and it will become a large addition to the poverty stricken nations of South America. Now, while I love cultural diversity as much as the next man, the fact that many of these illegal immigrants refuse to conform and assimilate into American culture is a very serious blow to the American way of life! If we were to take on a pro-immigration stance for much longer, we may as well just put a gun to our head, metephorically speaking.
Now, while I am on the issue of the destruction of the ethnic diversity of America and it's many amazing cultures, Abortion DOES NOT HELP THAT. Besides for the fact that it's killing babies, immoral, et cetera, et cetera; it is a serious blow to the population of many groups of people. Now, there are in the neighborhood of 4,000 abortions per day, correct? Multiply that by 365. So, 4000*365=1,660,000 abortions per year, approximatly of course. That's also just in the United States. Now, that may seem like a very large number. Let's put this into some perspective:
In the year of 2000, there were 15,517 murders, 90,186 rapes, 407,842 robberies, and 910,744 cases of Aggrivated assault in the United States. There were 281,421,906 people in the United States at the time.
Now, imagine if we had kept those 1,660,000 people. Yes, we'd be packed a bit more tightly, but realize that 1,660,000 is more than the population of the state of Montana!
I seem to have gone off on a rant and several tangents, and I'm sorry. I'll stop now, and leave the more professional people to the debating *winks at Gawain and Don*

[The Stranger]

who will vote for me. I'm running for president.

I'll promise that all BP's are **** on a beach sumwhere
All Terrorist organisations beneath the white house will be closed
RTW will be perfected funded by the goverment
Area 51 will become a tourist atraction

[Kagemusha]

I would vote for you Umeu.I think its about time to America to have its first Emperor.I think the old rebublic has had its chance.Theres only one slight problem,im not an American. ~;)
I would like to see Colin Powell as next president of US.He strikes as an fair an reasonable man in my mind.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

I think it should be Guiliani-McCain

You realise thats not a very conservative ticket. You could run this same team as democrats and win the primary easier than they would the republican 1
OMG what an idea for the Dems. They should run this ticket. Its a sure fire winner that way. The far left wouldnt have a better choice and all the moderate republicans would vote for them no matter what party they ran for. Rudi is certainly a social liberal though .

[Kaiser of Arabia]

You realise thats not a very conservative ticket. You could run this same team as democrats and win the primary easier than they would the republican 1
OMG what an idea for the Dems. They should run this ticket. Its a sure fire winner that way. The far left wouldnt have a better choice and all the moderate republicans would vote for them no matter what party they ran for. Rudi is certainly a social liberal though .
I know but as long as we keep the republicans in power until a powerful far right party comes into existance.
Support the CFPA!

[Gawain of Orkeny]

I know but as long as we keep the republicans in power until a powerful far right party comes into existance.

What good is it if their conservatives in name only? The republicans have become to liberal in many ways already.

[King of Atlantis]

It seems that the natural trend in history is for people to get more liberal. I really doubt that america is going to get more conservative.

[Byzantine Prince]

I would like to see Colin Powell as next president of US.He strikes as an fair an reasonable man in my mind.
Why is it everyone love this guy? Is it because he looks like a big teddybear? He looks innocent and cuddly? Is that why?

I seriously don't get it, I could dig up so much dirt on this guy, it would make Bush look honourable. Powell is an opportunist and a lier, just as bad if not worse then Bush. Hell even Rice has more honour then this former general.

Oh and the fact that he's a former general makes his position even worse, for he's suposed to protect *america*'s interest, NOT this own, as he so often does.

Who will join me in my hate crusade against Colin Powell?



BP :inquisitive:

[Lemur]

It seems that the natural trend in history is for people to get more liberal.
The Caliphate did a good job of going from a liberal (for the time) society to a fundamentalist backwater. We're still dealing with the aftermath of that. The people saying "let's explore ideas and science" met up with the folks who said "everything we need to know is in the holy book," and guess which side won?

Just saying that societies can move in any number of directions, and a gradual trend toward liberal capitalism should not be taken for granted.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

What good is it if their conservatives in name only? The republicans have become to liberal in many ways already.
We can manipulate them easier? Plus McCain would nuke the middle east flat. So it's all good.

[The Stranger]

why does nobody votes for me.....

[Don Corleone]

Well, looks like Bayh probably isn't such a good choice after all. While he supports a woman's right to choose until week 20, he has voted for a ban on the partial birth abortion procedure for non-medical emergencies from week 27 on. That's unforgivable in Democratic circles and NARAL/NOW will never allow him to get the nomination.

Too bad, somebody like him would actually make me stop and think which party I might vote for.

What's more, it's going to take Democrats a long time to recognize this, apparently, but the more moderate of a candidate they put forward, the more moderate the Republicans will be forced to put forward. If the Democrats had picked Bill Bradley in 2000, I think Bush would have had a much tougher time getting the nomination.

If the Democrats nominate somebody like Hillary or worse, Barbara Boxer (don't laugh, I've heard her name being thrown around), it's all over. The Republicans could nominate Jerry Falwell and still win at that point.

[TheSilverKnight]

Then for 2040, it would be Schwarzenegger/Arma. Of course, Arnie would be preserved by super chemicals so his age at 90 plus wouldn't be a big deal

He'd still look like he's 45 ~D but he'd be twice his age! IT'S THE ULTIMATE POLITICIAN!! ~:cheers: ~D