Star Wars vs Star Trek

[Marcellus]

Well? Which do you prefer? ~:)

[Kagemusha]

Star Wars is better.What the world would be without Darth Vader. ~:cheers:

[Mikeus Caesar]

I'm a trekky for life!! Nothing like watching Star Trek. Much better than Star Wars. Star Wars is too unrealistic for me...

[Navaros]

there was already a discussion about this topic fairly recently in the Frontroom

unfortunately the search function appears to be fubared hence i can not link ot it

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Star Wars will always be better. It has soul.

[Don Corleone]

Are you crazy, BKS? That's what I LIKE about Star Trek, the people are real people. They actually develop plots and show motivation. Star Wars has all the dramatic depth of an Italian opera... everyone is the nicest, the meanest, the strongest, the weakest, the smartest, etc. People hop from being loyal and subservient to amibitious and power mad at the flick of a switch. Then back again! Besides, Klingons kick ass.

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Perhaps soul was the wrong word...I just find Star Trek far too sterile. Star Wars has grand adventure, princesses, Lightsabers, incredibly evil villains, the lot, and a far more epic sweep. I get a feeling watching it that I just don't get from Star Trek.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

The Empire Rocks! THe USS Enterprise gets annahilated by Vader and 5 stormtroopers with vibroblades.
Long Live ROTJ

[Don Corleone]

No way man. A Klingon 'Sword of Khaless' class dreadnought & a captain that knows how to pilot her and every imperial cruiser would be up in smoke. Darthy would be toast in a 1-on-1 battle with just about any Klingon out there.

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

No way man. A Klingon 'Sword of Khaless' class dreadnought & a captain that knows how to pilot her and every imperial cruiser would be up in smoke. Darthy would be toast in a 1-on-1 battle with just about any Klingon out there.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/

This site has everything you could ever want to know about this issue, in truly remarkably anal detail.

[Don Corleone]

Yeah, but they're comparing an Imperial Star Destroyer, which I believe is a ship of the line for the Empire, to a Galaxy class heavy cruiser, which, while impressive, doesn't have the firepower of a dreadknought.

I actually never thought about that, but when you compare the sheer size of the Trade Federation, the Republic and the Empire to the UFP, the Klingon Empire, the Romulan empire & the Cardassian (oh what do they call their space...) you get my point. Star Trek all takes place in one quadrant, and star wars is thousands of times bigger, I'll grant you that.

[Ser Clegane]

I love both.

Star Wars for pure fun and escapism - and for returning back to childhood were simple heroes and dark knights ruled the world ~D

Star Trek for excellent stories and round characters

[The_Doctor]

Star Wars is for the masses.

Star Trek is for a (relatively) small elite core of nerds.

Which is why Star Trek is better.

Also you cannot compare ships from Wars to Trek. Wars ships use lasers, which have been laughed at on Trek.

Some of that website is very wrong.

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Star Wars is for the masses.

Star Trek is for a (relatively) small elite core of nerds.

Which is why Star Trek is better.

Also you cannot compare ships from Wars to Trek. Wars ships use lasers, which have been laughed at on Trek.


Wars ships use lasers, which have been laughed at on Trek.

No they don't. Read the webbie I posted.

[Don Corleone]

I'm not sure I follow you Martinus. Are you saying lasers wouldn't work in space? Because I hate to break to you, they do indeed. What dou think the US missile defense system is all about.

[The_Doctor]

I'm not sure I follow you Martinus. Are you saying lasers wouldn't work in space? Because I hate to break to you, they do indeed. What dou think the US missile defense system is all about.

I did not say that. On one episode of TNG they come up against a ship with lasers and treated it with contempt.

[VikingHorde]

Star Wars is best IMO, never liked Star Trek. If i should see a series, then I prefer Babylon 5 because it has a better and more realistic story than Star Trek. :alien:

[Viking]

I'm a trekky for life!! Nothing like watching Star Trek. Much better than Star Wars. Star Wars is too unrealistic for me...

I pretty much agree with that, Star Trek looks like a possible future and I love science fiction somewhat based on reality. As for Star Wars I `ve never really seen it, though I hope to do so in not too long.

[tibilicus]

As I have mentioned before Starwars. Never really likd Star Trek.

[lars573]

I like them both equally. But Start wars geeks give me the urge to end their lives in the most painful way I can think of.

[Steppe Merc]

Star Wars. Love Star Trek, but Star Wars (including the books and all), I've loved all my life.

[Mikeus Caesar]

Hm....this looks like the beginning of a Geek War...i'd better drink some coffee!!

Magic coffee +1 Stamina!

[Mongoose]

I'm a trekky for life!! Nothing like watching Star Trek. Much better than Star Wars. Star Wars is too unrealistic for me...


And Star Trek is realistic? LOL.

[ichi]

Star Trek is the best

ichi :bow:

ps proper polls must include the Gah! option

[Marcellus]

ps proper polls must include the Gah! option

Gah! Sorry, I completely forgot! :wall:

I don't suppose there's a way to add it?

I'll add Gah! to any other polls I make.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

I really haven't watched any Trek on TV, but I've seen 2 of the movies, I think II and IV. The one with Spock dying and the one with the whales. The whale one was so preachy...


On the other hand, I'm a devoted Star Wars fan.

And BKS, that site is right on. Actually, I've seen it (or something very similar) in school. The best part was battling it out with the Trekkies. And of course leads to the "numerical advantages" whining and what not. Quite fun. ~:cheers:

[The_Doctor]

And BKS, that site is right on. Actually, I've seen it (or something very similar) in school. The best part was battling it out with the Trekkies. And of course leads to the "numerical advantages" whining and what not. Quite fun.

GAH!!! You cannot compare them. It would be like comparing the Empire in Warhammer to Gondor in LOTR and Humans in Warcraft. :furious3:

Or even better. The Orcs from WH40K can beat the Orcs from WH, who can beat the Orcs from LOTR, who can beat the Orcs from Warcraft.

[Craterus]

And Star Trek is realistic? LOL.

I was gonna say that. But someone said they could imagine it as a future. I can't, and also, if you can imagine that, why not Star Wars? They're both as far-fetched as each other.

[King of Atlantis]

Star Wars owns....

[The_Doctor]

Star Wars owns....

Wait until the TV series. LOL

[King of Atlantis]

They already kinda made one, but it was a cartoon.

[sharrukin]

Well, if we were just talking about the first three Star Wars movies then they would clearly win. The fourth (Episode one) movie however, sucked so bad you would have thought they blew the airlocks. There was some improvement in the following movies but not enough IMO. This brought the level down so much I think they are close to being equal.

[Beirut]

Although Star Wars is great, Star Trek is better.

More soul. More human condition. More hot women. More macho bed 'em & leave 'em real men like Captain Kirk. (Hans Solo is a woos compared to Kirk.)

Star Trek is everyman.

[The_Doctor]

I know, but there is going to be series and it will be terrible.

Though it is hard to imagine something worse than "Enterprise" with all its heresy and mirroring real life events and time travel all the time. I swear Capt. Archer is the 11th Doctor.

[King of Atlantis]

Well, if we were just talking about the first three Star Wars movies then they would clearly win. The fourth (Episode one) movie however, sucked so bad you would have thought they blew the airlocks. There was some improvement in the following movies but not enough IMO. This brought the level down so much I think they are close to being equal.


You have to remember that the original three are old and were almost worshipped when they came out. They always seemed good to me until the new ones came out. 5 and 6 are still pretty cool though.

[sharrukin]

You have to remember that the original three are old and were almost worshipped when they came out. They always seemed good to me until the new ones came out. 5 and 6 are still pretty cool though.

Well I have the older three on video and have no desire to get the last three (maybe the last one) as they are nowhere near as good. The kid who played the young Anakin was just terrible. Look at the kid who played in the sixth sense or Dakota Fanning, or any other child actor and you can see no excuse for casting such a poor actor.

The other problem is that they never talked to each other. There was no character development or dialogue, and the Jedi's were so dull and boring they paled in comparison to Alex Guiness playing Obi Wan Kenobi. I don't know if Hayden Christensen is just a bad actor or George Lucas is to blame but his character was just dull and one dimensional. All the special effects in the world won't make up for a main character that you don't care about.

I am mystified as to what happened to the last three movies. As I said they did get better, so your right, 5 and 6 are better, but they should have been done right from the start.

[Steppe Merc]

Though it is hard to imagine something worse than "Enterprise" with all its heresy and mirroring real life events and time travel all the time. I swear Capt. Archer is the 11th Doctor.
Yeah, what was the deal with that?

But the thing about Star Trek: What's with the Kligons? I love em, I think they are really cool, but the original series, the Kligons are very wierd. But then again, there are tribbles... ~D
But Worf is awesome, and I think would give a very good fight against any Star Wars non Jedi warrior (well, except for Boba Fett... ~D )

But are you all taking into acount everything? Books and all? Or just movies and tv series?

[lars573]

Yeah, what was the deal with that?

But the thing about Star Trek: What's with the Kligons? I love em, I think they are really cool, but the original series, the Kligons are very wierd. But then again, there are tribbles... ~D
But Worf is awesome, and I think would give a very good fight against any Star Wars non Jedi warrior (well, except for Boba Fett... ~D )

But are you all taking into acount everything? Books and all? Or just movies and tv series?

The 30th century federation and star fleet were fighting a time cold war with other people whom that moron Berman never revealed. The way they were talking they wanted to have the temporal cold war be a back drop for the whole series. Kind of like Voyager being stuck in the delta quadrant. The problem is that it was poorly executed. That and Scott Bakula should have never been any where near a star fleet unifrom.

Klingons were commies, while the Romulans were fascists in the original series. They did major retconning to the klingons in the first 3 movies and the next generation.

[Steppe Merc]

Thanks for explaining. I was very confused the first time I saw Klingons with no ridges! :klingon:

And in TNG and DS9 (which I know the most), they are not exactly commie like at all, for which I'm grateful. ~D

[lars573]

One of the good things Enterprise did was explain why Klingons don't have ridges in TOS. The real reason was budget, TOS had a very low budget. Browned skin and Fu-Manchu moustaches were about all they could afford. The reason Enterprise cooked up was a virus spawned from a sick Klingon who was given a genetic cocktail made from human augment DNA. It mutated with the virus and made a plauge that was killing millions of Klingons. With Dr. Floxes help they found a cure. But it left anyone infected with no ridges.

[Big_John]

imo enterprise was still better than voyager..

as to the poll, it's hard to say. after watching episode 3 of star wars, i went back and re-watched eps 4-6 for the first time in quite a while. it was strange, they are not nearly as good as i remember. especially episode 4.. wow. i mean, even for the time it was made, the dialogue is uneven at best (laughable at worst). the acting is nothing to get excited about. obviously, the special effects really suffer after all these years. but that leads to a secondary problem for people watching the first movies after seeing the new ones. the poor (in comparison) special effects actually destroy the sense of emersion to a degree.

things really pick up with empire, but it's not dissimilar to the difference between st:tos and st:tng. i used to strongly believe star wars was superior. now, i'm on the fence. star trek is better when at it's best (i.e. later seasons of tng, wrath of khan, first contact), but when you factor in voyager and enterprise, and, let's be honest, tos.. it's too close to call!!!

i shouldn't get stressed out over things like this...

[The_Doctor]

One of the good things Enterprise did was explain why Klingons don't have ridges in TOS. The real reason was budget, TOS had a very low budget. Browned skin and Fu-Manchu moustaches were about all they could afford. The reason Enterprise cooked up was a virus spawned from a sick Klingon who was given a genetic cocktail made from human augment DNA. It mutated with the virus and made a plauge that was killing millions of Klingons. With Dr. Floxes help they found a cure. But it left anyone infected with no ridges.

They did not need to do that episode.


The 30th century federation and star fleet were fighting a time cold war with other people whom that moron Berman never revealed. The way they were talking they wanted to have the temporal cold war be a back drop for the whole series. Kind of like Voyager being stuck in the delta quadrant. The problem is that it was poorly executed. That and Scott Bakula should have never been any where near a star fleet unifrom.

I think they where Romulans.

What happened to the Xindi?

[Mikeus Caesar]

I think they where Romulans.

No, they were someone called the Sphere Builders, who threatened to destroy all life in the Alpha Quadrant by making it more hospitable for their needs. And if this is correct, then dear god, i've become a geek!

[The_Doctor]

I did not watch most of the series, so I don't really know what is going on.

[lars573]

They did not need to do that episode.

Yes they did it was one of the better episodes of Enterprise. Right up there with through the mirror darkly and the augments.



I think they where Romulans.

If anyone were Romulans it was the guys controlling the Suleban



What happened to the Xindi?

They made friends with Archer and crew and nothing more was said. Except that in the 26th century they are part of the federation.

[The_Doctor]

If anyone were Romulans it was the guys controlling the Suleban

That is what I ment.

[Roark]

I dig 'em both, but I'd prefer to watch a marathon of Star Trek than Star Wars. I find that I "care" more about the characters too, for lack of a better word...