Favorite Villain (spoilers) [Archive]

Azi Tohak

07-23-2005, 04:50

Yes... I mean favorite bad guy from a video game. Not anything else.

And I say spoilers because to really know about a villain, don't you have to beat the game first?

Genre does not matter (but if I may be so bold, in my experience, only RPGs have bad guys with a personality).

Here is a run-down of all the big boys I can think of right now:

Kefka: my personal favorite from FF VI. Great nut-job. Cool theme song and the laugh vweee he he he!

Sephiroth: ...not such a fan of this one, but he does seem to be popular. I can't really remember what he was trying to do though. Sure, he killed Aeris...but Kefka wiped out towns (where you did not know anyones name though).

Sin: A gigantic watery ball is not a bad guy. And who is Yu-Yevon again?

Malak: Now THIS was a fun bad guy. Not only did he betray you, but he was also evil. Sweet. And he looked cool.

Krellian: from Xenogears. I really liked the character "If there is no God, I will create one with my own hands!" Nice quote...but not quite as much fun as Kefka.

Albedo: from Xenosaga I&II. Nuts, like Kefka...but I still don't really understand what his purpose was. Besides hurting MOMO.

Lavos: Chrono Trigger. He is a big evil rock. With a personality to match. Great game. Lousy villain (but his summoner was cool).

Okay, so those are my main ones right now.

Kefka is my favorite just because I think he is funny (running away and the 'son of a submariner' thing).

Azi

Kekvit Irae

07-23-2005, 06:54

I would have to go with Revolver Ocelott from MGS and MGS2. It's interesting because he is a villian in MGS, but he's more like an anti-hero in MGS2. And it's very interesting to see his personality in the past in MGS3

King of Atlantis

07-23-2005, 08:27

papacy in medieval ~D

Efrem

07-23-2005, 08:49

Siefer.

discovery1

07-23-2005, 08:54

Does Garett count? From Thief?

Fragony

07-23-2005, 08:57

Does Garett count? From Theif?

It's Thief oh damn your bones. Favorite villain has to be Shodan from the System Shock series. It really is my favorite villain altogether, be it movie/book/game. Brilliant stuff.

Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe

07-23-2005, 09:44

My favourite villain?

CBR, from the mizu clan! ~D

Louis,

Meneldil

07-23-2005, 10:10

Well, I'll sound like a retarded japonese teenager, but Sephiroth pwns. Yeah sure, he did not destroy a whole city (I think he does, but in Clad's dreams). On the other hand, he's trying to destroy the whole world, which is *way* cooler than just blowing up cities. Plus he's totally crazy (he thinks he's a god, and things like that).

Yet Kafka is great too. I likes the way he laughs before murdering/poisoning/torturing people. He's probably more evil than Sephiroth, but he's not as charismatic (the fact he's wearing clown's dress doesn't help)

The guy from FF9 is similar to Sephiroth, and so deserves to be mentioned. Like Sephiroth, he has a great opinion of himself, until he understands he was just a toy in the hands of the Real Bad One. Then he goes crazy and destroy everything.

The bad boy from Eternal Darkness, Pius Augustus, is funny too, simply because he starts as a nice and proud Roman officier, and ends up as a devil-ish undead wizard. He got a special award for killing Charlemagne and trying to destroy the Earth.

I like many of the baddies from Warcraft 3 (Arthas, Sylvanas, Illidan). They all have a different quest, and don't really care about what's happening around them (everyone is dying, the world is about to be destroyed). Then again, most of them were at first nice heroes willing to save everyone.

Jon Irenicus from BGII. I don't really understand what he's looking for, but he just sounds weird as hell.

Zalmoxis

07-23-2005, 10:17

Malak, hell, he's got a name that reminds me of Rasta.

Divine Wind

07-23-2005, 12:34

The bad boy from Eternal Darkness, Pius Augustus, is funny too, simply because he starts as a nice and proud Roman officier, and ends up as a devil-ish undead wizard. He got a special award for killing Charlemagne and trying to destroy the Earth.

Yeah he was an awesome character. I loved they way he referred to humans as "flesh and bones".

Sephiroth would be my all time bad guy though. Such a great storyline for his character made me actually fear and respect him, and i got quite scared whenever i had to battle him! This was a blinking long time ago though...in my young teens.

Conqueror

07-23-2005, 14:01

Kefka is best. Not only is he funny, he was also successful. He actually managed to destroy the world.

What other good bad guys, let's see...

Irenicus (BG2) - Traditional villain, but damn, could he do it! Not a little of his charisma was thanks to the excellent voice actor.

The G-Man (Half-life 1&2) - His role isn't really that of an antagonist, but the way he's just following Freeman around showing up everywhere and then makes that speech in the end of of the games is just loveably creepy.

Geoffrey S

07-23-2005, 14:13

Pius Augustus was great, mainly because you start off playing as him and he kills off so many of the other playable characters. Kreia from Kotor 2 was also excellent due to the constant complex character involvement; Darth Sion was kinda spooky too.
Kudos to the villains in Mafia too, extra gripping because the final ones started off as friends.

Meneldil

07-23-2005, 14:28

Sephiroth would be my all time bad guy though. Such a great storyline for his character made me actually fear and respect him, and i got quite scared whenever i had to battle him! This was a blinking long time ago though...in my young teens.

Yeah, but unhappilly, he must be the easiest last boss ever met in a videogame. He usually dies after a few seconds of fighting. Let's hope he'll get some training for the next Final Fantasy movie ~D

Kaiser of Arabia

07-23-2005, 15:02

Revolver from MGS series
Sion from KotOR II

Azi Tohak

07-23-2005, 15:54

Well Meneldil, I must say I am pleased that I am not the only FF fan here. But...did Sephiroth never hit you with 'supernova' or whatever his scaling attack was? He is one of the few bosses around (Kefka can't do this for example) that scales his hit point and attack power to be able to smack you around.

I just barely beat him the one time I fought him. I was over confident and Yuffie and Barret were killed by cloud after cloud was confused by 'supernova'. Good thing Sephiroth hit cloud so he did not kill himself being confused.

Overall though, I must say I am impressed at the number of people who have played FF VI. It is my favorite RPG of all time, but...not exactly easy to access. Stupid FF Anthalogy (or the other one I can't remember) plays like crap. Must load before every *@# attack. Who thought THAT was a good idea?

And since Eternal Darkness was something of a flop, I am amazed to see Pious on here at all. I love the game and I should have put him on here, but I figured it was so esoteric (no, that does not mean tasty ~:) ) that I did not bother. *@# scary though...bad game to play for a wuss like me late at night in the summertime...

King of Atlantis...I might have to check that one out. I have not used a Catholic faction yet. I just stick to my Byzantines and Moslems right now...maybe I'll use the HRE since I like an early challange as Byzatines being surrounded.

Azi

P.S. What in the heck does pwns mean? And does asking this make me uncool?

Mongoose

07-23-2005, 16:00

It means you're about to be pwned ~D

I would say malak from KOTOR :dizzy2:

Kekvit Irae

07-23-2005, 16:40

Does Garett count? From Thief?

Garrett was a hero, not a villian.

P.S. What in the heck does pwns mean? And does asking this make me uncool?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pwn

Meneldil

07-23-2005, 16:53

Azi Tohak, Sephiroth can't fight against a 2*(Knights of the Round Table+10%power) summoning.
Then the real last boss (when only Clad is involved in the battle) just die after the first attack.
Somehow, I have never played FFVI that much, I stopped at the end of the first world. I might start a new game later, because everyone says "FFVI pwns".

And yes, Eternal Darkness must be the scariest game ever. Too bad it was a flop, they'll probably never make a ED II : Sanity's Redemption :embarassed:
I once tried to contact Silicon Knights, to get some news about that, but all their mail adress is broken.

Phatose

07-23-2005, 19:00

Bah, every final fantasy villian in history has been righteously creamed by a properly set up player team. That's one of many reasons I stopped playing them.

I think I'll split it between Shodan from the System Shocks and Fawful from Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga. With those two, at least I knew when they were on the screen, I wasn't going to be bored or wondering why the villian was spending so much time posing.

Kekvit Irae

07-23-2005, 19:18

Personally, I think FF7 was a bit too... munchkin. Think about it... X-Summon, Knights Of The Round, Double Cast, and then put Mimic on the next guy. That's eight (yes, eight) KOTR cast in a single blow.
If you really want something that you cant kill so easily, try Ruby Weapon. I could never defeat that thing

Azi Tohak

07-23-2005, 19:43

Good point about the Knights of the Round. My roomate (who had all the RPGs for me to play) loves FF VII...but I just don't want to screw with Chocobos to get Knights of the Round.

And as for Emerald or Ruby? Ummm....no. Thanks, but I'd rather not mess with them.

FF VI is my favorite. I love the soundtrack (almost every song is great I think). The story is nothing so sophisticated as FF VII, but I loved the characters, the number of them, the fact you have to use everyone (my biggest beef with RPGs. If I have 8 characters...why can only 4 be used?).

Xenogears is also highly recommended ~D

Azi

econ21

07-23-2005, 20:25

So many to choose from. In no particular order:

Vladimir Lem from Max Payne 2. "Max, dearest of all my friends". A good villain needs charisma.

Kreia from KOTOR2. I hated her for her morals but respected her. When she died, I felt like a member of my family had died. A villain who was a dark shade of grey, rather than black or white. The HK47 clone in that game would be a close second - a jet black villain in this case.

Saraevok from Baldurs Gate. A pantomime villain, but from the opening cinematic - when he throttles a helpless sibling - I wanted to kill him so intensely, the feeling drove me throughout a meandering 100 hour game.

Irenicus from Baldurs Gate 2. "Time for more ... experiments". Despite being utterly irredeemable, I could not bring myself to hate this guy. Perhaps because despite the terrible grim things he did, he did them seemingly without malice.

Shodan from System Shock 2. Thanks to spoilers, I knew what happened to the Politto lifeform in advance, but it was still a heck of a ride.

Smiling Jack from Vampire Bloodlines. From his deeds, I'd classify him as a villain but one with rockstar charisma. Just doing the tutorial with him was a more vivid experience than playing 95% of other computer games.

SwordsMaster

07-23-2005, 21:48

I have to agree with Simon on Vladimir Lem and Kreia. Malak was also nice enough, and you yourself in KOTOR 1.

Togakure

07-23-2005, 21:51

Imagawa Yoshimoto from Shogun, original Sengoku campaign
Shodan from SS2
the Antarans from MOO2
Trias from Planscape Torment (a minor boss, but I still hated him; voice by 'Q' from Trek, so maybe that's why)
UberDiablo from D2X (Baal is a whiney wuss)
Inferno from Soul Calibur original for Sega Dreamcast, Arcade Mode
Sarovok and Irenicus from BG and BG2

Marcellus

07-23-2005, 22:10

Mine would be Gannon(dorf) from the Legend of Zelda. He has a great evil laugh.

lars573

07-23-2005, 22:40

Oda Nobunaga as portrayded in Samurai warriors and Onimusha 1 (and maybe 3 never beat that).

Pius Augustus come on, can anyone argue.

Kombain Nicoladze and Phillip Mase from Splinter Cell 1, they were both great in their own ways.

Darth Nihulus the other bad guy from KOTOR 2. Sion and Traya were more annoying than menacing.

Steppe Merc

07-24-2005, 02:58

Favorite has to be Revan. ~D
Then it would be Ganon...

Quietus

07-24-2005, 11:10

Smiling Jack from Vampire Bloodlines. From his deeds, I'd classify him as a villain but one with rockstar charisma. Just doing the tutorial with him was a more vivid experience than playing 95% of other computer games.

Smiling Jack is an excellent, extremely likeable character, but he's no villain though.

And personally, I like hunting Khergits in Mount & Blade.

Geoffrey S

07-24-2005, 11:24

Vladimir Lem from Max Payne 2. "Max, dearest of all my friends". A good villain needs charisma.
Agreed.

Efrem

07-24-2005, 11:30

I was gonna go with Janette from vamp bloodlines

I guess who's villain and whos goodguy depends on your choices and pov in that game dunnit?
I mean really, everyone is evil.

econ21

07-24-2005, 12:19

Smiling Jack is an excellent, extremely likeable character, but he's no villain though.

Oh come on! The game is basically about Jack's plot to kill another vampire (LaCroix). For all his likeablility, I think he's a pretty murderous character. He uses you as a pawn to fight his start his own little war - do the vampires call it jihad?. Plus I have a sneaking suspicion Jack massacred the crew of the Elizabeth Dane.

I'm not sure Jeanette actually does anything evil in the game. OK, she does get you to rob a charity box, but that's small potatoes by the standards of the game. It's Therese who tries to whack you, but then Efrem may be bundling them together.

Geoffrey S

07-24-2005, 12:47

The best villains are always those who have a true motive and are introduced to the player as friends. That's what made enemies like Kreia so great to fight.

Azi Tohak

07-24-2005, 17:47

So...Seifer doesn't count? ~;)

I just like guys who explain what they are doing. Examples of counter-that:

DMC 1/3
Ninja Gaiden
MTW (the Pope) ~:)
Malpercio (the name just sort of gives it away) from Baten Kaitos

It just makes me happy to have a bad guy I can really sink my teeth into. Like Yggdrasilfrom Tales of Symphonia. He wants to create a world without discrimination. But the way he wants to do it is the reason I want to kill him.

Azi

Kekvit Irae

07-24-2005, 18:01

econ21

07-24-2005, 22:38

So who was the greater evil? Jack, who wanted to take a tyrannt out of business, or LaCroix, who wanted to exterminate the Anarchs and eastern vamps and rule surpreme over the Camerilla?

Um, I am not sure LaCroix was such a tyrant. The Anarchs and the Kue-jin were both operating in the city. Sure he was scheming, but he seems a rather middle ranking figure - younger than Jack, IIRC. More like an annoying upstart who Jack enjoyed taking down, certainly not a stereotypical "take-over the world" evil genius type.

I don't know if you've ever seen the TV series Oz about a US prison, but the morality of Vampires seemed to mirror that. Cruel and ultimately small people with too much time on their hands.

Azi Tohak

07-25-2005, 00:03

I'm starting to wonder if maybe I should play Vampire Bloodlines so I know what the heck is going on here...

Azi

econ21

07-25-2005, 00:43

I'm starting to wonder if maybe I should play Vampire Bloodlines so I know what the heck is going on here...

Azi

Definitely. A woefully underrated game. The characters are vivid, the writing excellent, the atmosphere immersive, the quests original, the graphics jaw-dropping and the combat pretty decent too.

The Wizard

07-25-2005, 02:19

I like many of the baddies from Warcraft 3 (Arthas, Sylvanas, Illidan). They all have a different quest, and don't really care about what's happening around them (everyone is dying, the world is about to be destroyed). Then again, most of them were at first nice heroes willing to save everyone.

Jon Irenicus from BGII. I don't really understand what he's looking for, but he just sounds weird as hell.

Sylvanas, yes -- damn it felt good not giving her death in Warcraft III. Only to see her betray you and then even having to play her later on. GAH!

Jon Irenicus, yes. Damn he was evil! And the story was just so well-constructed, as were the characters, that you just got sucked up into it and really hated Irenicus's guts like your character was supposed to! Gimme back Imoen, you bastard! Yeah, taste that slayer claw! It felt great owning his ass with nasty high-level spells in the final battle in the Nine Hells.

Ganon/Ganondorf is not necessarily the best villain in the sense of having a very interesting character (like Jon Irenicus, who wanted revenge at his elven brethren), but I dunno, I like fighting him and the story is always good enough to put him in the right spot labelled 'arch villain'.

And those enemies from Golden Sun. The guys who want to blow up the world or something -- it's been a while since I've played that game. But I was motivated quite well to give them some of their own medicine, dagnabbit!

Seifer... a good villain in the sense that he was a very intriguing character. He was dominated by the Sorceress... and that made him a tragic villain. Same goes for the Sorceress herself, if I recall correctly.

~Wiz

Quietus

07-25-2005, 03:51

Oh come on! The game is basically about Jack's plot to kill another vampire (LaCroix). For all his likeablility, I think he's a pretty murderous character. He uses you as a pawn to fight his start his own little war - do the vampires call it jihad?. Plus I have a sneaking suspicion Jack massacred the crew of the Elizabeth Dane.

I'm not sure Jeanette actually does anything evil in the game. OK, she does get you to rob a charity box, but that's small potatoes by the standards of the game. It's Therese who tries to whack you, but then Efrem may be bundling them together. LOL. I didn't finished the game. It lost bearing about 2/3 along the way. I stopped at the Kue-jin stage. ~D

I read there were multiple endings though. So I guess it depends on your choices. ~:cool:

Sasaki Kojiro

07-25-2005, 04:41

Whoever that guy in max payne was. And the lady too.

Efrem

07-25-2005, 08:08

LOL. I didn't finished the game. It lost bearing about 2/3 along the way. I stopped at the Kue-jin stage. ~D

I read there were multiple endings though. So I guess it depends on your choices. ~:cool:

Same, lol I stopped not long into china town. And I've since done something reeally really stupid and It'll take a while before I get the game working again. Brilliant game though. An absolute classic.

doc_bean

07-25-2005, 09:48

IMHO Caine is the real bad guy from VTM:bloodlines, listen to the fortune telling thin blood, she says something about 'the dark father stands behind him'. Jack's being played as well.

But I'd say LaCroix was a tragic villain himself, he was being played by everyone and just couldn't see it. He's definitely one of my favorite game villains ~:)

Other than him, I'd say Sephiroth and Liquid Snake were very good, and Doom's Cyberdemon was certainly a pretty challenging villain :duel:

Geoffrey S

07-25-2005, 11:10

I'm surprised no-one's mentioned Bowser. The tragedy of an unwanted love, the emotional scarring resulting from his looks, the deep twisted psyche of an evil villain who is consistently beaten by a plumber all add up to the most tragic and intriguing character among villains. Mama mia!

Ironside

07-25-2005, 17:50

No mention of the queen bitch of the universe? ~D

She does betray, well uhm everyone.

Kerrigan that is. ~;)

I second on the bloodlines vallains (and Jack is a vallain, it really does make most sence for him to kill of the crew on Dane). I suspect that Jack is very aware that the cax driver is Caine.

I've to say that Darth Nihulus had great potential, but he was too wimpy when you meet him ~:mecry:

Mikeus Caesar

07-25-2005, 18:40

My favourite game villain? It's been a while since i played, so i can't remember the proper names for it all, but the guy in Unreal 2 who was in charge of the Terratorial Marines. He was so sneaky. Throughout the entire game, you think he's a good guy, on your side, until the very last level, were you find out that he was just using you to get the Relics, so he could control their power. Obviously he didn't realise their power was beyond that of a normal person, and when the relics combined, all of the Kai (a slave sub-species) all mutated, into gigantic creatures that started killing everyone. And as for our good backstabbing friend who was using you? Your character kills him in cold blood. He got his just desserts.

Azi Tohak

07-26-2005, 00:08

Meneldil

07-26-2005, 07:38

No mention of the queen bitch of the universe? ~D

She does betray, well uhm everyone.

Kerrigan that is. ~;)

Kerrigan can't match with Sylvanas Windrunner and Arthas from W3. She's just not bad enough.

Sjakihata

07-29-2005, 16:28

That big monster thing you had to fight at the last stage of Quake. That was evil.

Monk

07-29-2005, 17:05

Kreia from KOTOR2. I hated her for her morals but respected her. When she died, I felt like a member of my family had died. A villain who was a dark shade of grey, rather than black or white.

Couldn't agree more. yet for all her seemingly strange morals, there was a twisted sense of logic in some of the things she tried to teach you. One that makes you angry she might be right. She delt away with the black and white morality that the star wars universe had and made you, for the first time, question a comrade's true loyalty. She isn't fully evil, and yet not good...

Arthas deserves a mentioning from WC3. An example of what blind rage, no matter how 'just' one's cause is, will do to a soul. He had his soul stolen by the blade that promised him salvation, and was enslaved in willing servitude. Him turning his homeland to ashes, then giving it to the Legion to lay waste to was so evil. Couldn't help but feel sorry for his one time subjects...

The G-man from Half Life. this guy gets me ticked. All through HL and HL-2, you see him on the horrizon, always one step ahead and disappearing when you get close. Your fate was sealed at Black mesa and you're fighting a war to which you don't have all the facts. He gave you a job to do, and you've no choice to do it. but by defeating the enemy exactly what are you acomplishing? and why is he so interested in Freeman? Before you can find out...the teleporter exploads and he takes you out of exsistance...speaking of another contract. And those green eyes, enough to send a chill down your spine...

lancelot

07-29-2005, 17:07

King Bowser/Koopa...

Always kidnapping that damn princess ~;)

Monk

07-29-2005, 17:23

King Bowser/Koopa...

Always kidnapping that damn princess ~;)

bowser is just misunderstood... Who doesn't want a princess in their castle? It's not his fault she had eyes for the plumber when he came to fix the toilet... ~;)

Tricon

07-29-2005, 19:29

The very first villain I hated.... was probably the damn scorpitron in "Wasteland".(Though the frickin 99 Barbarians
99 Barbarians
99 barbarians
99 barbarians from Bards Tale come a close second.)

The Count de Whatshisname from the original Pirates! was the firdt "personalized" Villain, though.
The second was Nikademus. Mainly because by the time I faced him I hated that frickin' game. Almost as bad as the Custers last Stand scenario from Ancient Art of War.
Anybody remember the Seductress Libitina from Sindbads Adventures?

Ironside

07-29-2005, 19:40

Kerrigan can't match with Sylvanas Windrunner and Arthas from W3. She's just not bad enough.

The only really evil Sylvanas Windrunner does in W3 is killing of Garithos, and he was an asshole.
And then this killing of all living things comes up too. That's evil, but it's not inside W3.

Arthas as human is a classical what I call fallen idealist. The goal (Malganis must die) is more important than the path (remain good). The problem is that when he takes frostmourne, he's soulless and controlled by a ruthless being. So that doesn't count as true evil, as he aren't himself really.

But Kerrigan can reach her goal (full control of the swarm) without betraying anyone really. Convince the protoss that the zergs on Shakuras is a no-brainer, possibly a little harder without the Matriach support, but hardly not impossible. It's not like the protoss doesn't want those zerg dead. Thus no need for for the killing of Aldaris incident. Then she proceeds with killing of the UED (also a no-brainer), and betrays her allies afterwards. She even orders the death of Reynor, and she spared him when under the Overmind's control! ~:eek:
And the killing off the new Overmind isn't hard to convince the Protoss either. A free Overmind is a severe threat and so is a Overmind as UED's pet.

And as a side effect Kerrigan gains full control of the swarm. And as long as she don't feels as a threat, the Protoss and Phoenix and Reynor doesn't have a reason to attack her and Mensk needs atleast a few years to do something. The Kel-Morian combine don't care. The the only possible threat is the Umojans and they seems to be not that strong (hard to access though as Blizzard seems to have cut them in Starcraft. I suspect they are/was intended to be behind the Human fleet in the last mission in regular Starcaft) Instead she's the most hated being in that part of the universe.

Now, having two path's with the same goal and can easily do both path's and choosing the evil one, that's evil.

Kekvit Irae

07-29-2005, 20:58

Watch the language, people

Alrowan

07-30-2005, 02:35

Ripwinkle from Full Throttle was king of all villians!

Navaros

07-30-2005, 08:56

Agreed.

i also agree, Lem was great. i found it totally hilarious when he says in an early level as Cognetti was coming for him with millions of boys: "It was fun for a while, Max, but I'm running out of bullets!"

however, i like Cognetti much more as a villain, and he's from the same game. him and the "Cap'n Baseball-Bat Boy incident" is truly one of the greastest gaming moments of all-time.

i love that Cognetti guy. he's the lovable bumbler. you almost wanna root for him even though he's silly and bad.

other great villains include:

Nighthawks, the undead ninja zombies who will wipe the floor with you again and again unless you plan your strategy very well, from Betrayal at Krondor

Navaros (naturally! ~D ) from Drakan: Order of the Flame

Queen Shilla, also from Drakan: Order of the Flame, although whether this is a good villain or not depends on how sick and twisted your sense of humor is

Smiley, the reanimated undead enforcer for Al Capone who stalks you all over Chicago and just keeps refusing to die permanently, from Nocturne

the Elder God who is too evil for his own good, also from Nocturne

the Elder God who's confidence in his own omnipotence never wavers even when his pawns start to doubt him, from some of the Legacy of Kain games

Don Salieri, the doting Grandpa/coldblooded sociopath; you don't know whether to sit on his lap or run for your life, from Mafia

Vukodlak, the crazed ancient psychotic vampire; he really captured the essence of such a character perfectly, from Vampire: the Masquerade - Redemption

the skinny Harkonnen brother who's charisma could make you proud to be evil for him, along with his eerie Mentat from Emperor: Battle for Dune

Pyramid Head from Silent Hill 2

Henry Stauf, the epitome of sheer perfection when it comes to an evil ghost haunting a house, from the 7th Guest

Malia Gedde, the voodoo-practicing vixen who Gabriel loves, from Gabriel Knight: Sins of the Fathers

as for Malak: i didn't like Malak. seemed like they were trying too hard to imitate Darth Vader with that one. i liked the bounty hunter who stalks you in that game much more (although the final confrontation with him is extremely lame). it's great when you first run into him and if you keep bothering him he kills you in the exact same way how he killed some guys in front of you a moment earlier. ~:cool:

Meneldil

07-30-2005, 11:55

Arthas as human is a classical what I call fallen idealist. The goal (Malganis must die) is more important than the path (remain good). The problem is that when he takes frostmourne, he's soulless and controlled by a ruthless being. So that doesn't count as true evil, as he aren't himself really.

But Kerrigan can reach her goal (full control of the swarm) without betraying anyone really.

Kerrigan, just as Arthas, was at first a human being (and a quite stupid one I must say). Although she's not controled by a rythless being (well she's early on) she's bad just because she has been turned into a (something that looks weird).

And that's why Arthas is much more bad than Kerrigan : he's killing everyone and he just doesn't care about it.
As for Sylvannas, she's quite bad too, and although she's not as smart as Kerrigan, she's willing to murder everyone who stands on his way. In fact she's quite similar to Kerrigan.

econ21

07-30-2005, 13:17

i liked the bounty hunter who stalks you in that game much more (although the final confrontation with him is extremely lame). it's great when you first run into him and if you keep bothering him he kills you in the exact same way how he killed some guys in front of you a moment earlier. ~:cool:

Calo Nord? Yes, that was a great scene. After he killed those guys and brushed past my character to exit, I virtually jumped out of my chair to try to get away from him.