View Full Version : a part of me died today, damn BI
http://www.totalwar.com/community/rtwbi.htm
press the 3D-models link. and click:'retreat' i died inside when i saw that priest :furious3:
Already saw it last week :veryangry2:
I'm not buying BI. Unless EB will use it, that is.
Yeah i`ve see that already, it`s pitiful."Priests inpire nearby troops to acts of bravery through their prayers' so this priest are going to be 'catholic druids' with the same special ability. Heh, it will look odd if they will pray on the battlefield.......
RandyKapp
07-23-2005, 14:28
Cool.
Silver Rusher
07-23-2005, 14:39
Will you people stop overreacting? It's one bloody unit for god's sake!
http://www.totalwar.com/community/rtwbi.htm
press the 3D-models link. and click:'retreat' i died inside when i saw that priest :furious3:
you've been gone to long Jerby, you've got to catch up a lot ~;)
i know. i just got back from my 3 week holiday (italian people drive like idiots).
i saw it, and cried.
"Will you people stop overreacting? It's one bloody unit for god's sake!"-
yes, it's one unit. but this is not the only one, and its crap, and it wields a damn CLUB! there ought to be a lot of moddability to compensate it. i swear to god i'll instantly quit my campaign if i see 1 unit of fighting-druid/priests/women.
Greek_fire19
07-23-2005, 16:16
Well, in the middle ages (for example at the battle of hastings) priests and monks fought with clubs (because they werent allowed to break the skin or cause bloodshed, and they thought they were being clever by using clubs instead) but the idea of them forming a 'unit' or having a line of priests charge the enemy is a bit ridiculous. Still, I think that given the dark depths of my expectations of BI, it might be surprisingly fun in a stupid sort of way.
I'll make an army of monks and charge them at a line of orager-chariots firing flaming bombs in the middle of the night.
It'll be crazy.
As i said a few weeks ago: wait until it is released, look if you can modify it and then tell everybody else, what you think about it
RandyKapp
07-23-2005, 16:45
~:confused:
LOL
Im not expecting realism from it, its just gona be stupid fun. Hence, cool.
The Wizard
07-23-2005, 22:41
Oh my, it's the ancient Ku Klux Klan! :0
The Roman comitanenses show a misunderstanding of the thought process of a 4th-5th century Roman emperor. Sigh.
~Wiz
Greek_fire19
07-23-2005, 23:22
Hey wiz, whats the news on the preview(s)?
The Wizard
07-23-2005, 23:55
Back to normality this week.
~Wiz
Steppe Merc
07-24-2005, 00:22
Greek_fire19, they fought with maces, not clubs, maces. ~;)
interesting: in order not to 'shed blood' they choose a weapon that causes a hammeradge
The Wizard
07-24-2005, 00:32
There is nothing more delightful than a bloodthirsty clergyman! ~D
~Wiz
yeah, some things never change...
Stop whining. If you don't want to see your priests fighting, keep them behind your men. Priest fighters are much better than priests that just stand there while nasty barbarians hack them to pieces.
King Ragnar
07-24-2005, 13:35
Will you people stop overreacting? It's one bloody unit for god's sake!
I agree with you completely pal, everyone is saying things like "look at that im not getting BI", "if that it there im nor getting it", one unit which i think is alright isnt goin to spoil a game. Mostr people who are syaing i will not get it, will probably get it. People need to stop overeacting to one little thing that is in the game.
The Wizard
07-24-2005, 14:27
This is not the Colosseum. Watch your pro-CA vs anti-CA debates.
As to priests fighting... I think it's not needed to elaborate on that, huh?
~Wiz
If you don't like the games by CA, just don't buy them, don't play them and shut up.
Captain-Tiguris
07-24-2005, 15:59
Are there are only two units in that preview? Cuz I cant see anything else
Geoffrey S
07-24-2005, 16:41
Ridiculous units or no, I'm not writing off BI. Despite units like screeching women on the battlefield of RTW the underlying strategy game has provided me with more fun since it's release than any other game. Lack of historical accuracy doesn't ruin a game (like it didn't ruin RTW for me), and for those who think it does, well, at least there are mods like EB to look forward to then. ~:)
Oh, and fighting priest are bloody ridiculous.
King of Atlantis
07-24-2005, 18:24
If you don't like the games by CA, just don't buy them, don't play them and shut up.
obviously people here like games from CA, though people doing the mods probably though MTW/STW was better. That is the same feeling from most vets. I don't see why we whould shut up. Yes we like totalwar games, but i didnt know we lost our right to an opninion.
You like fantasy units fine, obviously alot of people here dont. Seing as most of the people who are complaining are probably the same people that have played all the games(at least more than rtw) and have always been there hard-core fanbase. When a game starts changing away from its hardcore fans the fans get mad. What do you expect. Im sure CA expected the reaction, but they were just trying to make RTW mainstream.
well, when i bought rtw i was a complete ca-ignoramus. i liked/loved the game. had a great time for 3 weeks, started reading about teh period, started rtr. and suddenly rtw flaw became apparent. just as CA's behavior towards history. but still, the only reason why I would buy BI is if EB is getting it. until EB-1.0 i'll play other games/ check otu rtr 6.0 ( i know i'm having a laugh over them, but not about their modding skills)
Mongoose
07-24-2005, 19:21
If you don't like the games by CA, just don't buy them, don't play them and shut up.
Yeah! you have no right to your opinion if you disagree with me! :furious3:
:smartass:
Little Legioner
07-24-2005, 19:48
I was wondering why did they include the Priests and Imams to Christian and Muslim armies in MTW? Why did they wait so longer to add priests to RTW? Strange isn't it? ~:confused:
I hate that fantasy unhistoric units. It's like fy in our soups. They're ruining the historic ambience of any TW game. Moaning German chicks, groaning druids. What shall make next time i'm really dying while i'm waiting any awesome surprises.
Maybe a Sassanid harem girl band? ~D
Special ability: teasing enemy soldiers and convert them to Sassanid army...
Expert hide in beds.
Elite force.
Hardy troops. :charge:
I was wondering why did they include the Priests and Imams to Christian and Muslim armies in MTW? Why did they wait so longer to add priests to RTW? Strange isn't it? ~:confused:
I hate that fantasy unhistoric units. It's like fy in our soups. They're ruining the historic ambience of any TW game. Moaning German chicks, groaning druids. What shall make next time i'm really dying while i'm waiting any awesome surprises.
Maybe a Sassanid harem girl band? ~D
Special ability: teasing enemy soldiers and convert them to Sassanid army...
Expert hide in beds.
Elite force.
Hardy troops. :charge:
LOL
but I don't think that will be included since it wouldn't be ahistorical enough perhaps some nice smeg legions or some bartix hoplitix ~D
King of Atlantis
07-24-2005, 19:53
I was wondering why did they include the Priests and Imams to Christian and Muslim armies in MTW? Why did they wait so longer to add priests to RTW? Strange isn't it? ~:confused:
cause mtw was more or less accurate. Though if they were ever going to add priest to the battle front it should have been done in VI. The vikings often attacked monasteries forcing the monks to fight back, but even that doesnt really deserve a unit.
obviously people here like games from CA, though people doing the mods probably though MTW/STW was better. That is the same feeling from most vets. I don't see why we whould shut up. Yes we like totalwar games, but i didnt know we lost our right to an opninion.
You like fantasy units fine, obviously alot of people here dont. Seing as most of the people who are complaining are probably the same people that have played all the games(at least more than rtw) and have always been there hard-core fanbase. When a game starts changing away from its hardcore fans the fans get mad. What do you expect. Im sure CA expected the reaction, but they were just trying to make RTW mainstream.
I don't like fantasy units, but i don't complain all the time. I wait until someone makes good/historic units, skins or a mod that is historical accurate. If you don't like the game, why don't you just tell CA, why don't you just make/wait for Mods? It's really pesky that every 2nd post is about how CA sucks...
King of Atlantis
07-24-2005, 21:25
I don't like fantasy units, but i don't complain all the time. I wait until someone makes good/historic units, skins or a mod that is historical accurate. If you don't like the game, why don't you just tell CA, why don't you just make/wait for Mods? It's really pesky that every 2nd post is about how CA sucks...
I really dont think anybody said CA sucks, i know i didnt.
Complain ever two post? You have spent to much time in the colliseum. In the mainhall and sword dojo im pretty sure you will find little to no complaints about CA.
Of my over 1,000 post probably less than 10 were complaints about CA and maybe 50 trying to explain my postion like this, but id say thats a pretty fair ratio.
If you don't like the game, why don't you just tell CA, why don't you just make/wait for Mods?
I dont/others here dont just tell Ca. I am eagerly waiting RTR and EB. And I also am making a mod, though it certainly isnt realism as I also love Fantasy. Just not when it's posed as realistic.
Obviously in a thread called a part of me died today, damn BI, there is going to be a lot of complaints.
So all in all we are doing the same thing. Waiting for a realism mod, though the difference is us complainers are giving our opinion and you are attacking an opinion. Do you realize that the point of a message board is to post your opinions. I guessing you dont realize that, but maybe one day...
welcome to a forum. the sewer of opinions
Idomeneas
07-24-2005, 23:10
Irrelevant i just post here cause its the only place not dead
Why so much quiet in EB forum? i mean hello any preview? at least an announcement?
EB said that there will be a preview this weekend!!
But I am still waiting ~;)
well EB started lively, and there was much historicall debate. but now everybody knows EB's stances on 'all' points. it's pretty clear to me...
so now the forum is 'dying' untill the peview is here, and will rise from its ashes with the beta.i guess
I hope that the open-beta would not take to long to be released by EB.
I think people will lose interest added to the fact that EB has difficutly to release weekly previews on time...
It was two weeks ago that the last preview was posted on this forum..
And before that they where often not on time.
I think the open-preview idea is a bit to much to handle for EB.
It takes allot of work and time to make a preview.
Maybe it is better to switch back to the old shorter weekly updates.
They where always on time and also very interesting.
pezhetairoi
07-25-2005, 02:49
yeah man. So true. It's all about the overall -experience-, and one unit is going to spoil that experience, like it or not. Besides, fighting with clubs? look at that unit. It's nott holding any old club, it's a CRUCIFIX for god's sake. It's an act of sacrilege! You most holy icon is being used as an instrument of organised murder!
For that one unit alone, it's enough reason not to buy BI, because it's already not historical enough for us EB-fans, whose idols (Khelvan and gang) have shown us how historical it can be.
And if you think priests are not good enough a reason, here's another: Hundredmen Hall.
Reverend Joe
07-25-2005, 03:13
And if you think priests are not good enough a reason, here's another: Hundredmen Hall.
~:confused: What is the hundredman hall? Did I miss something?
And why are priests in the armies?
And what are Sarmatians doing in the 300s AD as an organised kingdom?
And why this and why that... :dizzy2:
I feel like Hunter Thompson in Las Vegas: confused, scared, and out of his element. CA has lost too much historical authenticity- they can make a very good game, but they are going over the top with these wierd, Age Of Empires style abstractions.
King of Atlantis
07-25-2005, 03:23
hundredmen hall is one of the new buildings for the barbs. To be fair though creating a unit recrution building for the barbs is already ahistorical, but it is needed for gameplay issues.
Idomeneas
07-25-2005, 11:51
I hope that the open-beta would not take to long to be released by EB.
I think people will lose interest added to the fact that EB has difficutly to release weekly previews on time...
It was two weeks ago that the last preview was posted on this forum..
And before that they where often not on time.
I think the open-preview idea is a bit to much to handle for EB.
It takes allot of work and time to make a preview.
Maybe it is better to switch back to the old shorter weekly updates.
They where always on time and also very interesting.
I couldnt agree more with you. It seems many factors (difficulty of the project, real life) affect the previews procedure. I think they better show independent units. It may be more messy but its something. This forum is starting to look like western gost town. :help:
RandyKapp
07-25-2005, 12:27
I prefer the big previews, gives an overall picture of the faction rather than fragmented unit profiles.
Idomeneas
07-25-2005, 15:54
I prefer the big previews, gives an overall picture of the faction rather than fragmented unit profiles.
then i think they will be monthly previews
Steppe Merc
07-25-2005, 17:02
Or bi monthly. ~;)
Or bi monthly. ~;)
why not a yearly? then EB's certainly ready so they won't ran out of faction previews ~;)
oo well I'm sure it'll be al worth it.
it better be ~;)
why not a yearly? then EB's certainly ready so they won't ran out of faction previews ~;)
oo well I'm sure it'll be al worth it.
it better be ~;)
Thats a perfect idea!!! ~;)
King of Atlantis
07-26-2005, 00:26
then i think they will be monthly previews
why do you think that. Eb has said that they have a couple previews ready for quick release.
Shrapnel
07-26-2005, 15:14
I'm going to get it 'cause to me it looks ok apart from the strange preists.
RTW King
07-26-2005, 15:48
Why is it such a big deal if the priest isn't historically accurate? The second unit looked alright, and I don't think all the units are going to be strange holy people like the Druids in standard RTW. Druids didn't ruin RTW, did they? If you don't like the Priests in your armies, it does'nt take great modding skills to remove them.
Sfwartir
07-26-2005, 17:21
Good point RTW King, it's as simple as that. I've removed all flaming oinkies, the nagg..whoops, "screeching" women, druids and "egyptian" chariots from vanilla rtw and now Ihaven't got much to complain about (unit wise).
If you don't like the games by CA, just don't buy them, don't play them and shut up.
Whoever typed the above comment is an idiot and needs to ask himself why he attends forums. If people want to talk about the stupidity of CA then they can.
Dux Corvanus
07-31-2005, 21:43
Hey, I've found proof in Google about the priest unit!:
http://www.billmon.org/archives/spanishinquisition.jpg
NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our *three* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our *four*...no... *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again.
As for me, I'll wait for BI... in the Comfy Chair. ~;p
Also i have a great respect for the immense work which CA`s teams have to do for the BI, i fear there will be more priests then druids and scalds etc in the northern Lands of the game and that means, again unhistorical setup!
Most of north europe was not ( or only some single tribes leader)realy cristianised before the year 1000 ad. And the first followers of rome`s new religion ended with they heads put on stakes, when visiting ireland sweden and norway.
Little Legioner
08-03-2005, 15:57
If they continue to do unhistoric applications they will ruin the TW series with their own hands. I shall not pay a penny to BI if CA make a new RTW imitation. They don't know what they do exactly. They ruined the epic battles, gameplay, historic basement and totaly the games itself. I play only the mods such as EB project. How can't they see their own created diehard fan's critics. RTW is a total and decisive a lost case to the teeth.
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