View Full Version : TO ALL THE KIDS WHO SURVIVED the 1930's 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's:
First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while they carried us.
They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a tin, and didn't get tested for diabetes.
Then after that trauma, our baby cribs were covered with bright coloured lead-based paints.
We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets, not to mention, the risks we took hitchhiking.
As children, we would ride in cars with no seat belts or air bags.
Riding in the back of a ute on a warm day was always a special treat.
We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle.
We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and NO ONE actually died from this.
We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter and drank soft drink with sugar in it, but we weren't overweight because WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!
We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on.
No one was able to reach us all day. And we were O.K.
We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem.
We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's, X-boxes, no video games at all, no 99 channels on cable, no video tape movies, no surround sound, no cell phones, no personal computers, no Internet or Internet chat rooms..........WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!
We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no lawsuits from these accidents.
We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us forever.
We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays, made up games with sticks and tennis balls and although we were told it would happen, we did not put out very many eyes.
We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just walked in and talked to them!
The Junior Football teams had practice games and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!
The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law!
This generation has produced some of the best risk-takers, problem solvers and inventors ever!
The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.
We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned HOW TO DEAL WITH IT ALL!
And YOU are one of them! CONGRATULATIONS!
So, you want a medal or a chest to pin it on?
sharrukin
07-26-2005, 03:42
So, you want a medal or a chest to pin it on?
Sounds like someone's not a happy camper!
Byzantine Prince
07-26-2005, 03:46
First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while they carried us.
Is this why you guys like to watch the Wheel of Fortune? ~D
We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets, not to mention, the risks we took hitchhiking.
You risk takers, you... ~;)
As children, we would ride in cars with no seat belts or air bags.
Yeah, I bet the traffic was huge in the 50's and 60's.
Riding in the back of a ute on a warm day was always a special treat.
What is a ute?
*BP checks dictionary*
Ok so you guys liked riding in the back of pick-up trucks. Lot's of kids still find that fun when they can get it.
We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle.
So did I and I grew up in the 90's.
We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and NO ONE actually died from this.
Why would someone die from that? ~:confused:
If sharing some saliva was that dangerous people would never kiss.
We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter and drank soft drink with sugar in it, but we weren't overweight because WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!
So what? Kids these days don't have to go out, they have cool video games to attend to.
We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on.
Yes well that IS dangerous, what if some maniac was on the streets kidnapping children?
No one was able to reach us all day. And we were O.K.
Yeah, but don't you wish you had a cool cellphone instead. ~:cheers:
We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem.
Today we have S-K-A-T-E-B-O-A-R-D-S that do the same thing, without all the effort of bputting them together first. It's not our generations fault you guys had a poorer economy then us.
We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's, X-boxes, no video games at all, no 99 channels on cable, no video tape movies, no surround sound, no cell phones, no personal computers, no Internet or Internet chat rooms..........WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!
Who needs real friends when you have Playstation Friends to play. You old guys only talk big, but if I had gone back in time and given you a playstation 2 you'd never go outside again. :laugh:
We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no lawsuits from these accidents.
Aparently you have never heard about eXtreme sports and how popular they are among the youth.
We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us forever.
Eating worm... mmmm... yummy.
We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays, made up games with sticks and tennis balls and although we were told it would happen, we did not put out very many eyes.
Not very many but some were bound to be plucked off. I don't know about you but I'de rather have my vision then have some dumb kid destroy the rest of my life for some dumb game.
We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just walked in and talked to them!
So today I can walk into my house, open my computer and talk to the friend without the inconvience of having to walk all the way to his house.
The Junior Football teams had practice games and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!
Since when does EVERYONE make a high school team. I knew people who were amazing basketball players and didn't make it. Regardless of what you may have heard, other then gym class, the school sport's teams are just as picky today as they ever were.
The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law!
Yeah I'm sure this hapened everywhere. Today more people live in the city, and even cops can't be trusted.
This generation has produced some of the best risk-takers, problem solvers and inventors ever!The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.
We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned HOW TO DEAL WITH IT ALL!
Are you insinuating that our generation, the generation in which a 17 year old kid has crafted an entire new computer language called Linux, is somehow inferior to the preveous because we have more technology and lead more confortable lives? ~:confused: ~:confused: ~:confused:
Face it my friend. We are a lot smarter and more daring then any other generation. Yeah we have more obesity etc, etc..., but if we choose to we can do whatever. A choice the preveous generation didn't have, and if they did, they'd end worse then us, because they wouldn't be able to deal with it.
Hehe...
I think Byzantine Prince has a little generational inferiority complex...
~;)
Gawain of Orkeny
07-26-2005, 04:18
As children, we would ride in cars with no seat belts or air bags.
Yeah, I bet the traffic was huge in the 50's and 60's.
It was as bad as it iis now. Fewer cars but also fewer roads. Rush hour still sucked just as bad.
So what? Kids these days don't have to go out, they have cool video games to attend to.
Yeah thats much better for you. Builds strong bodies I bet. You get monster thumbs.
Yes well that IS dangerous, what if some maniac was on the streets kidnapping children?
Thats the point it was almost unknown back then. Man it was great being a kid back then with no worries. Then you hit puberty and all the troubles start to hit you at once. ~;)
Azi Tohak
07-26-2005, 05:25
Yup Gawain. And too many hit you right square in the face...
oww...my pride...
Yes, I would have liked growing up in the 50s. But man...I do love my Playstation and GameCube.
But also, I think the girls are better looking now too.
Azi
Gawain of Orkeny
07-26-2005, 05:31
But also, I think the girls are better looking now too.
No way. There have always been beautiful women and heres hoping there always are. At least back then it was easy to tell a woman from a man.
Azi Tohak
07-26-2005, 05:33
Stupid fake haircolor notwithstanding...I remember looking at picturse of my Dad's old girlfriends. Mind, he was pretty good with the ladies (so how the heck did I miss out on that gene) but man...some of the women were just fugly!
No offense to any of you old ladies out there. ahem...Gawain...ahem ~;)
Edit: You can't tell a woman from a man now? Okay...so Michael Jackson (who fits in this category mind you) is an exception but...maybe Gawain needs to check again...
Azi
Gawain of Orkeny
07-26-2005, 05:53
Heres Veronica Lake from the 40s
http://photos.allcelebs.us/veronica-lake/big-photo/veronica-lake_0001.jpg
Fugly indeed.
Heres one from the sixtees you might remember
http://photos.allcelebs.us/barbara-eden/big-photo/barbara-eden_0038.jpg
Then there always Bardot
http://photos.allcelebs.us/brigitte-bardot/small-pics/brigitte-bardot_0004.jpg
There were never women more beautiful and elegant than at this time. Men were men and women were women back then. As Archie Bunker says "Those were the days" ~D
I hope your dad had better lucj with your mom ~D
Azi Tohak
07-26-2005, 06:04
....No comment on that one...
Anyway, you did have pretty women sure, but I just like the new ones better. I would try to get some pictures up here myself, but you see...for us young'uns, it's time for bed.
Azi
King of Atlantis
07-26-2005, 06:08
Thats the point it was almost unknown back then. Man it was great being a kid back then with no worries. Then you hit puberty and all the troubles start to hit you at once. ~;)
I think kids of all generations were like this. I know when i was little I didnt care about much.
A lot of the stuff on that list still havent changed. All the wau till like 6th grade i spent almost all my free time outside. And school sports teams have gotten much more competitve.
and girls look much better now. There is much better hygene for hair, teeth etc. Girls are have to be much slimmer too. Also there's a beautiful thing called plastic surgery ~D.
Byzantine Prince
07-26-2005, 06:10
Gawain women back then did not have the state of the art makeup women today enjoy. Also their hair didn't get the best product. Putting all that aside, I have to agere that they were basically the same, except they didn't look half as good as women look today. If you only visited my mall, you wouldn't believe your eyes. It's amazing what good taste in style today's young ladies have compared to the 80's or even the 60's.
Byz don't forget your in Canada and everyone knows we have much more attractive women folk than those unlucky yankees.
King of Atlantis
07-26-2005, 06:19
Byz don't forget your in Canada and everyone knows we have much more attractive women folk than those unlucky yankees.
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
Thats the funniest thing ive heard all day!
Gawain of Orkeny
07-26-2005, 06:24
I think kids of all generations were like this. I know when i was little I didnt care about much.
Maybe the kids were but the parents sure were not. You cant tell me kids in the 80s came home from school and just dissappeared until dinner and then went back out until dark. I mean we didnt even tell our mom where we were going half the time. She'd just say were eating at such and such a time make sure your home or my dad would come outside and whistle. Man you could here him from blocks away. ~D Believe me it was very different from today. Almost another planet.
and girls look much better now. There is much better hygene for hair, teeth etc.
Oh Please. Yes our women were unclean.
Gawain women back then did not have the state of the art makeup women today enjoy.
Yeah you had some idea of what you were really getting. Personally I like the natural look. I prefer as little make up as possible on my women. You cant beat a natural beauty.
If you only visited my mall, you wouldn't believe your eyes.
Im sure it offers nothing our Malls in New York dont have.
It's amazing what good taste in style today's young ladies have compared to the 80's or even the 60's.
Thats a matter of taste. Those gothic women are really hot. The ones with the red green and purple hair are cool too.We didnt have any of those. Ill give you the hot ones dress much sluttier nowdays and look older than they are.
Big_John
07-26-2005, 06:27
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
Thats the funniest thing ive heard all day!sadly, i must believe the reports of the canadian female hotness superiority to be true. two trips to montreal cannot lie. :shame:
King of Atlantis
07-26-2005, 06:28
Oh Please. Yes our women were unclean.
We do have much better hair products and tooth care has improved very much.
also there are more women, so there is a larger group to be attractive.
Gawain of Orkeny
07-26-2005, 06:30
Byz don't forget your in Canada and everyone knows we have much more attractive women folk than those unlucky yankees.
Theres more beautiful women in New York City alone than in all of Canada.
King of Atlantis
07-26-2005, 06:38
sadly, i must believe the reports of the canadian female hotness superiority to be true. two trips to montreal cannot lie. :shame:
well i prefere women to look like:
s
and that is most common in latino populations that canada doesnt have.
KafirChobee
07-26-2005, 07:13
Very well put, Kiwitt. The 50's were a hoot, the 60's an experience, the 70's laid-down. The 80's just plain work.
I use to walk to kindergarden with friends - in Des Moines. Imagine letting your 5 yearold out of your sight today? Of course come to think of it.... maybe they were hoping to get rid of us ~D .
Do remember the be home before dark rule (summer), and the no TV 'til homework is done (fall).
Still, we can't begrudge the youngsters for growing up in central AC (we had a fan), or their video games. Or, their 200+ channels of TV (we had 5 and one was educational).
Doubt any have built a go-cart (stealing the wheels from wagons, baby carriages, etc - for that free wheeling run down a hill (remember Bill Cosby's 120mph?). Still the new diversions are ......... something.
As for women? Atleast what you saw was real back then. No artificial additives there.
Zalmoxis
07-26-2005, 08:07
Society is messed up where I live. When I was younger, I would go outside just about everyday without worries, and in the summer would be home at one in the night, because there are no worries. But here, it really sucks, you can get killed if you walk during the day. Anyway, you're creating generalizations based on stereotypes, which isn't very good.
we´re still young......you´ve allready turned into old farts ~D
game..set..match :duel:
Al Khalifah
07-26-2005, 10:06
I grew up in the 80's and did all of those things.
The recent wuss-culture is a very 90's thing.
Are you insinuating that our generation, the generation in which a 17 year old kid has crafted an entire new computer language called Linux, is somehow inferior to the preveous because we have more technology and lead more confortable lives?
ehm... my personality dictates that I must clarify:
Linux is not a computer language; it is an operating system kernel. One of the things Linus Torvalds(born 1969!!) did was making a better version of Minix (a horrible operating system in the late 80’s) and transported a Unix based operating system to PC. It was written in the computer language C.
Besides, he was 22 years when he launched his Linux.
well i prefere women to look like:
s
and that is most common in latino populations that canada doesnt have.
You want your women to look like a giant S, sorry that's just disterbing. And I though I had a sick mind. ~;) And we do have a latino population, just that they are French not Spainish-Native like the US has.
Proletariat
07-26-2005, 16:20
Am I immature for finding post #4 funny?
I mean, I don't agree with all of it. And I didn't spit my coffee at my monitor or anything. But I did laugh.
We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays, made up games with sticks and tennis balls and although we were told it would happen, we did not put out very many eyes.
10? my grandfather gave my dad his BB gun when he was 8 and i on the other hand, never got mine...
Sasaki Kojiro
07-26-2005, 18:07
40 years from now we can make another of these lists for kids who lived in the 90's...we survived being allowed to run on the playground ~:)
Kids these days have access to the internet. Forget lead based paint, anyone who has done a google image search for "scat" knows how dangerous the internet can be (don't try it).
40 years from now we can make another of these lists for kids who lived in the 90's...we survived being allowed to run on the playground ~:)
Kids these days have access to the internet. Forget lead based paint, anyone who has done a google image search for "scat" knows how dangerous the internet can be (don't try it).
And there I was assuming that "scat" meant something completely different. Like get away from there. A term my grandmother used to use when wanting us to leave her alone.
Good thing I am at work - so I am not willing to try a search on the internet for that term. (I am sure it brings sites up that will get me in trouble at work - given the nature of your warning.)
Sasaki Kojiro
07-26-2005, 19:04
And there I was assuming that "scat" meant something completely different. Like get away from there. A term my grandmother used to use when wanting us to leave her alone.
Good thing I am at work - so I am not willing to try a search on the internet for that term. (I am sure it brings sites up that will get me in trouble at work - given the nature of your warning.)
It has another meaning. Oh the things you learn when you live in a college doorm. This was a popular one for resetting someones wallpaper when they were out of the room.
Ianofsmeg16
07-26-2005, 19:08
I go out most days and i'm the rip old age of 15!!! i stay out until the last bus comes (10:40) and even in summer thas beyond dark...i seem ok, but then again i live on the isle of man, which is basically the UK 50 years ago :) (it is one of the safest places in britain)
personally i think that us kids should get out more as a general rule, i do! and i still find time to play on RTW.
And about walking everywhere, and to those who object.....try having a party, doing some under-age drinking and then decide to walk the five miles from Castletown to port erin at 1:00 in the morning, we did it in about half an hour....it was great, pity the chinese was closed hmmm.
so maybe some modern conviniences do make us fatter, prettier and darn it wussier than the days of yore, but we also get out, have fun and learn about life in our own unique way. Anyway, in the 1950's did you want to go back to the nineteenth century?
p.s If anybody asks, It wasnt my party we were at Ok?
:)
Gawain of Orkeny
07-26-2005, 19:36
Originally Posted by Redleg
And there I was assuming that "scat" meant something completely different. Like get away from there. A term my grandmother used to use when wanting us to leave her alone.
Good thing I am at work - so I am not willing to try a search on the internet for that term. (I am sure it brings sites up that will get me in trouble at work - given the nature of your warning.)
I believe its short for skedaddle.
Byzantine Prince
07-26-2005, 19:40
Am I immature for finding post #4 funny?
I mean, I don't agree with all of it. And I didn't spit my coffee at my monitor or anything. But I did laugh.
Common, that was a good post. I think I made some pretty good points. Worms are yummy etc. ~D
PS. Yes, don't EVER type scat on google or anywhere, because it most likaly will lead you sh#t porn. ~;)
discovery1
07-26-2005, 20:27
On scat:People have very strange notions of what is 'fun'
On topic: Good for you. Pitty younglings these days are so shielded. Even when I was little I ran around, got brused, only one sprain though.
Red Harvest
07-26-2005, 22:56
Byz don't forget your in Canada and everyone knows we have much more attractive women folk than those unlucky yankees.
Too bad you can't see it underneath all that clothing...remembering back to the pasty white people around me when I worked up north in Alaska. And don't get me started on New York, much better looking ladies on average as you head south...at least compared to my trips to New York and New Jersey.
It's only like that for 8 months of the year. But I know some women who don't wear pants regular like until november (but she's crazy as the day is long, a hotty though ~;) ).
I know some women who don't wear pants regular like until november (but she's crazy as the day is long, a hotty though ~;) ).
*struggles to remember what that word translates to; looks in an English-Norwegian dictionary* ~:eek:
_Martyr_
07-27-2005, 13:36
I think he means trousers... ~;)
I think he means trousers... ~;)
Oh... :wiseguy:
Er... you do relaise that the kids you are describing are the ones who grew up to make the world we live in today right? The world you don't seem to like much. For example, its all very well decrying the "kids of today" but they are your kids, so what have you done wrong?
Azi Tohak
07-27-2005, 19:11
Shhhh...Slyspy, you aren't supposed to mention that part...
Remember, we are all screwed up because of Mario and Link and Rap. It has nothing to do with negiligent parents.
(Just to make sure, this is not directed at any forum patrons. God knows all of you that are old enough seem to be smart enough to raise good kids. I am talking about the parents of the sociopaths that give my friends and I a bad name.)
Azi
Proletariat
07-27-2005, 21:45
Not to mention it's idiots who were born in the 50's-70's that are coming up with "No Failure" policies for today's children. So great lot of good the lack of video games did you.
We must've peaked in the Victorian Age. Let's send today's children back into the coal mines.
:happyg:
Don Corleone
07-27-2005, 21:54
I'm all for it. My kid should be out of the oven in about 6 months, I nominate we start with him. He'll have 9 months of freeloading to work off already, let alone the expenses will incur at the hospital on his behalf. Assuming it's a boy. I actually think it's a girl, in which case all bets are off. My darling princess:smitten: shall never lift a finger in toil in her life.
Shaka_Khan
07-29-2005, 05:35
There was a time when a kid could walk alone in Manhattan.
Yeah and that time was 1690.
Gawain of Orkeny
07-29-2005, 15:48
Yeah and that time was 1690.
Try 1960.
Most of you people cannot imagine how different the US has become in the last 50 years. To me its a different country than the one I grew up in. Its hard to believe that I have actually wittnessed personaly one quarter of this nations history.
Gawain of Orkeny
07-29-2005, 16:08
No, that is a myth.
Maybe thats what youve been led to believe. I actually have lived throught it. Dont go trying to tell me it was a myth. If you werent there you cannot imagine the difference.
I can, and it's a myth. Any parent who let a child walk alone threw a city any city in any time is a neglegent parent. I really would like to know where these myths about safety of the 50's and early 60's came from. My mom says her parents never locked the doors at night when they were home. But my dad says they did and they couldn't leave cloths on the line over night cause half of them would be gone by morning.
Gawain of Orkeny
07-29-2005, 16:52
I can, and it's a myth. Any parent who let a child walk alone threw a city any city in any time is a neglegent parent. I really would like to know where these myths about safety of the 50's and early 60's came from. My mom says her parents never locked the doors at night when they were home. But my dad says they did and they couldn't leave cloths on the line over night cause half of them would be gone by morning.
We never locked our doors when we were home. Now my dad even has a deadbolt on his bedroom door. I used to walk around Brooklyn all the time when I was like 8. I mean you were only allowed up to the coner store or the nearest park but by the time I was 11 or 12 I could go pretty much where I pleased.
Kaiser of Arabia
07-29-2005, 17:14
We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and NO ONE actually died from this.
13 of us all shared 1 of those bavarian sized beers once. So ha!
Ianofsmeg16
07-29-2005, 17:30
We never locked our doors when we were home. Now my dad even has a deadbolt on his bedroom door. I used to walk around Brooklyn all the time when I was like 8. I mean you were only allowed up to the coner store or the nearest park but by the time I was 11 or 12 I could go pretty much where I pleased.
This aint just in the Sixties man, come to the isle of Man....it ROCKS!!! theres almost no serious crime (we get like one murder for two years or sumitng like that) you can go out all night with no worries, and theres no speed limit outside of towns and we STILL have a low car accident death rate. I'm tellin ay, if you want the good old days then come here, but there are some old grannies that are terrified by whats going on in Enlgand etc where kids mug them and stuff, so now if i where a hoodie then i get dirty looks from all the adults...i'm tellin ya there are some kids out there that are giving the ret of us a bad name...BLOODY CHAVS!!!!!!! :furious3: :furious3: :furious3:
Gawain of Orkeny
07-29-2005, 17:33
This aint just in the Sixties man, come to the isle of Man....it ROCKS!!! theres almost no serious crime (we get like one murder for two years or sumitng like that) you can go out all night with no worries, and theres no speed limit outside of towns and we STILL have a low car accident death rate. I'm tellin ay, if you want the good old days then come here,
Wow and I get to watch the TT also. Im packing my bags.
WE are far less free today than we were in the 50s. People just dont realise how the government has crept into society and has their finger in everybodies buissiness.
Ianofsmeg16
07-29-2005, 17:47
Wow and I get to watch the TT also. Im packing my bags.
I'll See ya there next year then Gawain ~:cheers: ~:cheers:
Look uot for me, i'll be the guy thats getting shouted at by the police for looking at someone funny....lol actually its better to watch the TT on television, you see more of it, but the atmosphere on the Island is great...the population doubles (from 78,000) and there is still no violence or crime like what it's like on the mainland....you should come!! same with all of you, then we can rant at each other in person ;)
Right on kiwitt , I can't believe I survived but am so thankful that I wasn't born 20 years later.
So, you want a medal or a chest to pin it on?
Unfortunately you probably took pride in taking this cheap shot. Sorry for you.
Face it my friend. We are a lot smarter and more daring then any other generation. Yeah we have more obesity etc, etc..., but if we choose to we can do whatever. A choice the preveous generation didn't have, and if they did, they'd end worse then us, because they wouldn't be able to deal with it.
Actually, you seem to have a lot of problems. Today I see a lot of your 'smart' generation who are unable to make change, don't have a clue about anything other than PS2 and Lindsay Lohan, and show an incredible lack of wisdom.
Case in point, when kiwitt wrote a post celebrating all of the things that made our generation stronger, you replied with a series of (unfunny) smartass comments that highlighted your ignorance. Proved him right you did. Not only did you miss the entire point of his thread, but you came off looking like a child, unable to appreciate anything other than himself.
I think Byzantine Prince has a little generational inferiority complex...
LMAO
ichi :bow:
Unfortunately you probably took pride in taking this cheap shot. Sorry for you.
ichi :bow:
And if you think that was a cheap shot you have much to learn padawan. ~;) You see most of what kiwitt said applies to me and I was born in 1981.
Exceptions being
-My mom never drank or had any desire to until my younger brother was in his teens
-My mom refused to feed us 3 kids white bread, it was always whole weat (better for ya.)
-It's been illegal to ride in a car with out a seat belt in Canada (federal law) for nearly 40 years
-I've always hated playing outside, I prefered to be in my sandbox building castles and only for an hour
-I grew up in the city so there were limits to how far I could roam until I was a teen
-We didn't get a NES in my household till I was 9
-We were never alowed a BB gun 1 because mom didn't like them and 2 because she knew little brother would try and kill me with it
LOL
By 1981 I was married, had a college degree, and was years into a career.
That was a very cheap shot, they're easy to spot.
ichi
ps please don't call me padewan, not only is it condescending, but in this case its inappropriate
LOL
By 1981 I was married, had a college degree, and was years into a career.
I assumed as much hence the padawan crack.
That was a very cheap shot, they're easy to spot.
Again you call it a cheap shot. Where I'm from it is a perfectly reasonable response to kiwitt's comments. And it was much more umm polite than anything else that came to mind after reading it.
So, you want a medal or a chest to pin it on?
Lars, I don't expect you to understand, but that comment is rude, mean, insulting, and essentially added nothing to the discussion. As a matter of fact, it took a nice nostalgic piece and turned it to rancor.
You can make excuses about where you're from or the quality of your upbringing, but it is was wrong.
Think about it, please
ichi
Byzantine Prince
07-29-2005, 22:50
Actually, you seem to have a lot of problems. Today I see a lot of your 'smart' generation who are unable to make change, don't have a clue about anything other than PS2 and Lindsay Lohan, and show an incredible lack of wisdom.
I can't believe I actually have to inform you of this Ichi, but more people go to college today then any other generation before us. Have you ever heard the phrase "a high school diploma doesn't cut it anymore"? Well today even a cimple college diploma doesn't cut it anymore in terms of really making yourself something special. And if you think all kids today know is PS2 and Lindsay Lohan you are partially right. *A lot* of kids only care about pop culture and games, but they are just the idiots, and they have always existed. The difference is a lot of those morons are actually doing well in school and are going to university even if their interests are questionable.
If you think we all lack wisdom, I dare you to look around the org alone, and find one person under 18 who fits that category(only cares about PS2 and Lindsay)
PS. The number one consumer group of PS2 and video games is between 25-35 years of age.
Case in point, when kiwitt wrote a post celebrating all of the things that made our generation stronger, you replied with a series of (unfunny) smartass comments that highlighted your ignorance. Proved him right you did. Not only did you miss the entire point of his thread, but you came off looking like a child, unable to appreciate anything other than himself.
You thought my replies were unfunny. Ironic that that's my opinion of your "jokes". I actually believe 90% of those replies are factual, and if they hapen to be presented in a comical way then so be it. At least Proleteriat thought they were funny.
Lars, I don't expect you to understand, but that comment is rude, mean, insulting, and essentially added nothing to the discussion. As a matter of fact, it took a nice nostalgic piece and turned it to rancor.
You can make excuses about where you're from or the quality of your upbringing, but it is was wrong.
Think about it, please
ichi
I won't because your wrong. Also being rude mean and insulting inside of humor is how I was brough up to interact with people. Also the textual medium with which were are comunicating leaves many thing out like tone and facial expressions (smilies don't help as much as they should).
You know I didn't want to say what I was really thinking, but ichi you won't seem to be satisfied with anything less so here goes.
I found kiwitt's comments to be rude and insulting not to mention arrogant and condecending, I know he didn't intend to but it came out that way. In short I took exception to it, so like I had been brought up I responded in kind. I don't know why he chose to crap from a great height on everyone who happens to have a birthday after December 31 1979 but he did, and I didn't like it. Those of us born after 1980 have the distinct pleasure of inherriting the crap heap that those born in the 30's 40's 50's 60's and 70's made the world. And thank you very much for that by the way. I feel more than a bit justified in having a little bit a of rancor.
Is this why you guys like to watch the Wheel of Fortune?
Yeah, I bet the traffic was huge in the 50's and 60's.
Yeah, but don't you wish you had a cool cellphone instead.
Eating worm... mmmm... yummy.
Soz BP, but your funny responses weren't funny. They were caustic.
Face it my friend. We are a lot smarter and more daring then any other generation. Yeah we have more obesity etc, etc..., but if we choose to we can do whatever. A choice the preveous generation didn't have, and if they did, they'd end worse then us, because they wouldn't be able to deal with it.
My generation had the opportunity to do whatever we wanted, and we did it. We dealt with it very well.
I can't believe I actually have to inform you of this Ichi, You didn't, I'm aware of the statistics.
If you think we all lack wisdom,. . .
I don't, I think your generation has many of the same qualities of previous generations, with those who excel and those who don't.
I simply wanted to point out that this constant sniping and rudeness degrades the Org and all of us, and makes this place much less pleasant than it should be.
And I'm not the first to tell you that.
Originally Posted by ichi
You can make excuses about where you're from or the quality of your upbringing, but it is was wrong.
Think about it, please
I won't because your wrong. Also being rude mean and insulting inside of humor is how I was brough up to interact with people.
As I suspected. My hope is to restore some of the civility and community that the Org used to have, and I had hoped that you would stop, just for a second, and think about how your sniping appears to others. Alas, it is not to be.
Also the textual medium with which were are comunicating leaves many thing out like tone and facial expressions (smilies don't help as much as they should).
No amount of smilies can mitigate asking someone if they need a chest to pin a medal on. Such a comment is patently offensive, and in person would lead to a brawl. But you refuse to get it, so . . .
I found kiwitt's comments to be rude and insulting not to mention arrogant and condecending, I know he didn't intend to but it came out that way. In short I took exception to it, so like I had been brought up I responded in kind.
Let's look at what kiwitt said
First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while they carried us.
They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a tin, and didn't get tested for diabetes.
Then after that trauma, our baby cribs were covered with bright coloured lead-based paints.
We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets, not to mention, the risks we took hitchhiking.
As children, we would ride in cars with no seat belts or air bags.
Riding in the back of a ute on a warm day was always a special treat.
We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle.
We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and NO ONE actually died from this.
We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter and drank soft drink with sugar in it, but we weren't overweight because WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!
We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on.
No one was able to reach us all day. And we were O.K.
We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem.
We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's, X-boxes, no video games at all, no 99 channels on cable, no video tape movies, no surround sound, no cell phones, no personal computers, no Internet or Internet chat rooms..........WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!
We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no lawsuits from these accidents.
We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us forever.
We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays, made up games with sticks and tennis balls and although we were told it would happen, we did not put out very many eyes.
We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just walked in and talked to them!
The Junior Football teams had practice games and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!
The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law!
This generation has produced some of the best risk-takers, problem solvers and inventors ever!
The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.
We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned HOW TO DEAL WITH IT ALL!
And YOU are one of them! CONGRATULATIONS!
This was a celebration of a person who is proud of his life and happy that he has survived, and in it he is reaching out to others who share similar experiences. Nothing in it is crass, mean, or hurtful to anyone else.
If you took exception to it then you are remarkably thin-skinned.
Now look at your response. Mean-spirited, insulting, completely out of line.
I feel more than a bit justified in having a little bit a of rancor.
and that, IMHO, is the problem. There are many in here who feel justified in posting rancorous material. I for one am getting tired of it and decided to call you on it. As others predicted, it will be to no effect.
As long as you think you can write whatever, criticize others with no responsibility to review your own actions, then this will continue.
Which is too bad, this could be (and has been) a great place. It can be again, if folks would knock off the insults and rudeness and realize that we each have a responsiblity to make things better, not just lash out anyway we feel like it.
ichi
Gawain of Orkeny
07-30-2005, 02:25
I can't believe I actually have to inform you of this Ichi, but more people go to college today then any other generation before us. Have you ever heard the phrase "a high school diploma doesn't cut it anymore"? Well today even a cimple college diploma doesn't cut it anymore in terms of really making yourself something special.
And I cant believe I have to inform you that someone with HS diploma in my day was eductaed far better than someone with one today. In fact its been said it was the equivelant of af BA degree today. I cant believe what gets by as education these days.
Byzantine Prince
07-30-2005, 02:49
Yes, Gawain, an HS diploma in the 50's covers pretty much every subject and every field of work and is as good as a bachelor's for any subject known to man
Get real man. School didn't teach half the stuff they teach today in HS. Yeah the education is very lacking in elementery and junior high, but once you get to high school it becomes incerdibly difficult. I bet you high schools didn't even have calculus till the 80's, a required course if you want to go to uni these days.
Gawain of Orkeny
07-30-2005, 03:33
I bet you high schools didn't even have calculus till the 80's
Your just showing your ignorance here. Yes they had calculus in school them. IT was regents 12th grade math. 9th was Basic algebra and trig, 10th geometery , 11th intermediate algbra and trig and 12th was calculus.
School didn't teach half the stuff they teach today in HS.
But what they did teach they did a much better job of. They also didnt teach you a bunch of crap.
Yeah the education is very lacking in elementery and junior high, but once you get to high school it becomes incerdibly difficult.
Well thats a sort of self fufilling statement. Of course if education sucks in the basics when you get to the complicated stuff its only going to get worse. We didnt lack in elementry of JH education. The schools werent beholding back them for aid from the federal government and were run by the states. We had few of the distraction you have today. Hell If I had MTW as a kid I may never have left the house or done any studying.
Oh and we didnt have calculators. They hadnt been invented yet and we wouldnt have been allowed them ift they had been. On certain things you were allowed to use this arcane tool called a slide rule ~D
Byzantine Prince
07-30-2005, 04:11
Gawain, I have some points. I agree with you to a ceratin degree.
1. You call me igonarant yet you fail to show some proof that they tought Calaculus in HS before 1980.
2. You did not adress the fact that HS in the 50's and 60's was like a bachelor's degree for any field(I'm asuming since you weren't specific, it was ALL of them).
PS. I aware there weren't calculators back then, which would make it very hard to do and learn certain things in Math. Subsequently more people failed and didn't go to college.
1. You call me igonarant yet you fail to show some proof that they tought Calaculus in HS before 1980.
Gawain's word is good enough.
I bet you high schools didn't even have calculus till the 80's, a required course if you want to go to uni these days.
That's a bet you lose. I took calculus in High School in 1974.
School didn't teach half the stuff they teach today in HS.
Such as? Name a subject and let's see.
Hell If I had MTW as a kid I may never have left the house or done any studying.
No doubt, I'd weigh 400 pounds, have fought 30,000 battles, and together we would have over 1,000,000 posts at the Org. ~:cheers:
ichi :bow:
discovery1
07-30-2005, 04:43
Such as? Name a subject and let's see.
Computer Science ~D
More seriously, I belive there is a Chinese Culture AP, brand new. http://www.collegeboard.com/student/testing/ap/sub_chineselang.html?chineselang
Well, not yet.....
Edit:
Did they teach psychology?
http://www.collegeboard.com/student/testing/ap/sub_psych.html?phych
As I suspected. My hope is to restore some of the civility and community that the Org used to have, and I had hoped that you would stop, just for a second, and think about how your sniping appears to others. Alas, it is not to be.
You ichi san can't seem to realize that the sniping is how, how do I put this right. Ah yes, sniping and rudeness is how I banter in a light hearted way. Which is how this was intended.
No amount of smilies can mitigate asking someone if they need a chest to pin a medal on. Such a comment is patently offensive, and in person would lead to a brawl. But you refuse to get it, so . . .
I really hope your not being serious. I got that quip from my mom and aunts. They use it in person to each other all the time. I have used it in person many times and never even had a fist waved in my face, or been threatened in any way. Obviously you know some thin skinned overly sensitive people.
Let's look at what kiwitt said
I did read it twice to make sure I got the meaning straight. It was mean't as a light hearted pining for the "good old days". I was ammused and insulted at the same time and responded in kind.
This was a celebration of a person who is proud of his life and happy that he has survived, and in it he is reaching out to others who share similar experiences. Nothing in it is crass, mean, or hurtful to anyone else.
Not intentionally no, and I did say I realized that. But by saying that a certain group was better (people born before 1980), he implied that others were not as good (people born after 1980).
If you took exception to it then you are remarkably thin-skinned.
Thin skinned no, I've learned to take a certain amount of insulting. But I always give back (hence my comment). But insulted yes. the two aren't mutually exclusive.
Now look at your response. Mean-spirited, insulting, completely out of line.
Mean-spirited no . Insulting, yes but that was the point. Completely out of line? Not in my opinion (which is the only one that counts ~:) ).
and that, IMHO, is the problem. There are many in here who feel justified in posting rancorous material. I for one am getting tired of it and decided to call you on it. As others predicted, it will be to no effect.
As long as you think you can write whatever, criticize others with no responsibility to review your own actions, then this will continue.
Which is too bad, this could be (and has been) a great place. It can be again, if folks would knock off the insults and rudeness and realize that we each have a responsiblity to make things better, not just lash out anyway we feel like it.
ichi
And I felt justified in this specific instantce because it bothered me. I carry around enough crap from things bothering me as it is, so in this case as it minor and meaning less. I did something to allieviate my bothered state. And you know what it worked.
The problem here is that we have fallen into a generation gap. Never to escape, it's sad really. It could have been great trading barbs and insults all day, I love doing that. Just like when my whole family is together, gives me a warm fuzzy feeling.Telling old man and punk kid jokes. Would have been really fun, I was looking forward to it. But someone decided to make a mountain out of a mole hill.
Ah yes, sniping and rudeness is how I banter in a light hearted way.
You can make all the excuses you want, but it seems that you can be easily upset but won't care that others don't enjoy being on the butt end of your sniping.
I really hope your not being serious.
I am serious. Cheap shots like you made are degrading this place. Just because you think it's OK doesn't make it so.
Thin skinned no, I've learned to take a certain amount of insulting. But I always give back (hence my comment). But insulted yes. the two aren't mutually exclusive.
There's a certain double standard at work here. Nothing that was said by kiwitt was insulting, but you were sensitive enough to take it personally. You got very personal, but don't want to take responsibility for it.
Mean-spirited no . Insulting, yes but that was the point. Completely out of line? Not in my opinion (which is the only one that counts ).
This is the root of the problem. Yours is the only opinion that counts, so since you can't see how this kind of rudeness is hurting the Org you will continue to act childish as you see fit. Too bad.
Would have been really fun, I was looking forward to it. But someone decided to make a mountain out of a mole hill.
Again, only that which is important to you matters. The mountain here is that boorish behavior is making this place unpleasant, but you don't care. IMO its selfish, say what you want no matter what anybody else thinks.
I'm no prude, I can trade barbs and insults all day too. I live and work with some of the toughest people you'll ever meet. I don't tell people they are out of line unless it is real, and you were out of line. What you said wasn't fun or funny, it was sad.
ichi
Computer Science ~D
actually it was AP and while a Senior in HS I took Comp Science at the local College.
More seriously, I belive there is a Chinese Culture AP, brand new. http://www.collegeboard.com/student/testing/ap/sub_chineselang.html?chineselang
Well, not yet.....
Well, you got me there. If only I had an opportunity to take AP Chinese Culture I could have avoided all those entanglements with Chinese Communist Party :bow:
Edit:
Did they teach psychology?
http://www.collegeboard.com/student/testing/ap/sub_psych.html?phych
Yes, it was introductory, part of a science curriculum.
ichi ~:cheers:
Gawain of Orkeny
07-30-2005, 07:04
PS. I aware there weren't calculators back then, which would make it very hard to do and learn certain things in Math. Subsequently more people failed and didn't go to college.
~:confused:
This is one of the most convoluted things Ive ever read. It may have been a bit harder but far from impossible. Some peple are really handy with a slide rule. Its not like calculators do something we cant. We invented them. The big difference s that we actually had to learn how things worked in math and do the work ourselves and not just push some numbers and hit enter. Everything being equal why would more people fail? Its not like some are using calculators. We all had the same handicap. We had to think.
You can make all the excuses you want, but it seems that you can be easily upset but won't care that others don't enjoy being on the butt end of your sniping.
Was I actually giving the impression that I was deeply offended by what kiwitt said? I bothered me a wee little bit. It was no big deal. So I tossed out an amusing little comeback that I use in situations like that. And you keep coming after me for it.
I am serious. Cheap shots like you made are degrading this place. Just because you think it's OK doesn't make it so.
Degrading this place? Get on your soapbox much.
There's a certain double standard at work here. Nothing that was said by kiwitt was insulting, but you were sensitive enough to take it personally. You got very personal, but don't want to take responsibility for it.
No, it was unintentionally insulting. I would take responsibility if it mean't anything which it didn't.
This is the root of the problem. Yours is the only opinion that counts, so since you can't see how this kind of rudeness is hurting the Org you will continue to act childish as you see fit. Too bad.
Seriously get off the soapbox. It's unbecoming.
Again, only that which is important to you matters. The mountain here is that boorish behavior is making this place unpleasant, but you don't care. IMO its selfish, say what you want no matter what anybody else thinks.
Which is the whole reason for coming here in the first place. The safety of a near annoymus user name to say what's on your mind.
I'm no prude, I can trade barbs and insults all day too. I live and work with some of the toughest people you'll ever meet. I don't tell people they are out of line unless it is real, and you were out of line. What you said wasn't fun or funny, it was sad.
ichi
It was fun and funny and you are being prudish. It was not out of line, but perfectly in line with the spirit of the thread.
I've always wondered what it was like to be the Homer Simpson to another persons Frank Grimes. Now I know. ~:) And I am unimpressed and uncaring and unchanged.
Samurai Waki
07-30-2005, 07:33
Ahhh.... the wonderful generation gap! ~:cheers:
Byzantine Prince
07-30-2005, 07:33
~:confused:
This is one of the most convoluted things Ive ever read. It may have been a bit harder but far from impossible. Some peple are really handy with a slide rule. Its not like calculators do something we cant. We invented them. The big difference s that we actually had to learn how things worked in math and do the work ourselves and not just push some numbers and hit enter. Everything being equal why would more people fail? Its not like some are using calculators. We all had the same handicap. We had to think.
Once again using your incredible talent you have managed to avoid the main of that post by sidetracking it with annoying technicality. Well done Gawain. You want your medal now or later? :balloon2:
Gawain of Orkeny
07-30-2005, 07:44
Once again using your incredible talent you have managed to avoid the main of that post by sidetracking it with annoying technicality. Well done Gawain. You want your medal now or later?
So much for the question have you been a good boy. Also could you please be a bit more specific as to what Im avoiding. The "main" leaves a lot to ponder. I gues you mean I am good at backing my statements with facts(annoying technicality)
Was I actually giving the impression that I was deeply offended by what kiwitt said? I bothered me a wee little bit. It was no big deal. So I tossed out an amusing little comeback that I use in situations like that. And you keep coming after me for it.
You keep contradicting yourself. First you say it was a harmless little joke, but when pressed harder you admit that you were upset by what kiwitt said. Sometimes you say you are only a little upset, but, again, when the truth comes out it appears you took it very personally
I found kiwitt's comments to be rude and insulting not to mention arrogant and condecending, I know he didn't intend to but it came out that way. In short I took exception to it, so like I had been brought up I responded in kind. I don't know why he chose to crap from a great height on everyone who happens to have a birthday after December 31 1979 but he did, and I didn't like it. Those of us born after 1980 have the distinct pleasure of inherriting the crap heap that those born in the 30's 40's 50's 60's and 70's made the world.
Since nothing kiwitt said was aimed at you or anyone else - it was actually a very positive piece about who we are - it seems like what actually happened was that you saw a chance to be rude and insulting - make a quick smartass comment without any responsibility.
Degrading this place? Get on your soapbox much.
No, I don't. But I (and others) are tired or coming in here and wading through the crap and we want to see this place a little more like it used to be. So I'm standing up to try to make it a better place.
Since you don't understand that, you have to resort to (weak) insults and barbs.
I would take responsibility if it mean't anything which it didn't.
You did take responsibility for being insulting, if only I could get you to understand that the rude and mean-spirited stuff you wrote doesn't belong here, and that there's a better way to interact to with people.
Which is the whole reason for coming here in the first place. The safety of a near annoymus user name to say what's on your mind.
That's right, online you can write what you want and no one can do anything about it. But what about personal responsibility - that internal drive to check our own actions.
The Org is meant to be an friendly place, but you seem to want to use as your own free-fire zone, a place where you can say whatever whenever, then run and hide behind your monitor and say 'haha'.
All that I'm asking you to do is to stop and realize that you do have a responsibility to interact in a positive way in here, and that in this case you failed to do that.
Instead of replying to kiwitt in a positive way, you took the easy way and threw up a smartass insult - AKA a cheap shot.
It was fun and funny and you are being prudish. It was not out of line, but perfectly in line with the spirit of the thread.
It wasn't fun or funny, it was sad. It was out of line
Tell me, Lars, what exactly is so painful to you in this post?
First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while they carried us.
They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a tin, and didn't get tested for diabetes.
Then after that trauma, our baby cribs were covered with bright coloured lead-based paints.
We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets, not to mention, the risks we took hitchhiking.
As children, we would ride in cars with no seat belts or air bags.
Riding in the back of a ute on a warm day was always a special treat.
We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle.
We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and NO ONE actually died from this.
We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter and drank soft drink with sugar in it, but we weren't overweight because WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!
We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on.
No one was able to reach us all day. And we were O.K.
We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem.
We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's, X-boxes, no video games at all, no 99 channels on cable, no video tape movies, no surround sound, no cell phones, no personal computers, no Internet or Internet chat rooms..........WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!
We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no lawsuits from these accidents.
We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us forever.
We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays, made up games with sticks and tennis balls and although we were told it would happen, we did not put out very many eyes.
We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just walked in and talked to them!
The Junior Football teams had practice games and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!
The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law!
This generation has produced some of the best risk-takers, problem solvers and inventors ever!
The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.
We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned HOW TO DEAL WITH IT ALL!
And YOU are one of them! CONGRATULATIONS!
There's nothing there to take offense over. Unless you're very very sensitive. No, Lars, I think you saw a chance to take a cheap shot
So, you want a medal or a chest to pin it on?
So you think that was funny, and perfectly in line with the spirit of the thread. Well, you're wrong. It was wrong to post it and wrong to deny responsibility.
And I am unimpressed and uncaring and unchanged.
Of course you are. I too am unimpressed with your arguments. I too am unchanged in regards to the post that started all of this. I too can come in here and write what I like from the safety of my kitchen.
The difference is that I do care. I care about the Org and the little online community we've built. You don't understand that, from your posting it appears that you care only for yourself.
I'm asking you to stop taking every opportunity to be rude and insulting, and you're defending your selfish right to be a little jerk. I'm not sorry about which side I'm on.
ichi
discovery1
07-30-2005, 19:28
actually it was AP and while a Senior in HS I took Comp Science at the local College.
It was an AP when you were in college?! wow, didn't know that.
Yes, it was introductory, part of a science curriculum.
ichi ~:cheers:
Ah. Thank you.
Can't we all just get along ~:grouphug:
Samurai Waki
07-30-2005, 20:28
Yes. please be quiet this isn't a competition. Everyone always looks back and says "ah I remember the good ol' days" but really in retrospect they really weren't all THAT good. I think for me the 90s was about the best, great economy, relative peace..etc. etc. would I want to go back? Hell no.
So the 30s,40s,50s,60s,70s were that good? Okay in the 30s there was the great depression...not that good
in the 40s you had the bloodiest war in history...not that good of an era
in the 50s you had Korean War and Cold War Crisis really taking hold...not that good of an era
in the 60s you had the Cold War reach it's peak, you had the Vietnam War, and the Hippies... not that great of an era really
in the 70s you had the waning of the Cold war (which was good), Explosive situations in the middle east, A-Track Stereos, Afros, Disco Music, Economic Decline, Nixon...Ford...Carter. Not that great...
in the 80s you had Buttrock Punk Bands and Weird ass Hairstyles, But the Beginning of the Digital Age(so it wasn't THAT bad...but it still sucked)
90s Internet Becomes Mainstream, Computers (and then Computer Games) becoming more and more advanced, Digital Age take holds, Good Economy, just a few Flashpoint Wars (Iraq,Kosovo, Serbia). On the Downside you have the beginning of Pop Culture, Extreme Lethargy and therefore obesity epidemic in the US, etc. etc. (So it wasn't too bad...)
2000s... GWB, Christian Conservatism Takes Deep Root, Terrorism, War in Iraq, Economic Decline. However Computers and Technology is still the best its ever been.
The Lesson is no era was really ALL that great in retrospect, they had their good times and their bad times, but I don't think I would want to go back. The Previous Generations (X and Before) Are considered the Hardest Working Generation in Modern History, the downside of this has for the most part, that generations after X (Y...O) have been relatively latchkey, Gen-Xrs really don't pay much attention to their families and were more concerned about their personal lives,and their own responsabilities rather than the people around them, I can attest, because I had to grow up and take responsbility for myself and my brothers when I was about 12 years old because my parents were so self centered that they forgot about us, and I have many, many, many friends who have had the same thing happen to them. This had led modern Generations into taking a more Reserved and Lax, and independent role, also they are more in tuned to being with a family core. How many generation Xers here can say that their parents never really ignored them until they were out of the house? probably a lot... how many Generation Y and O can say the same thing? Probably not near as many, our fault as a generation is Xs Failure at being a good parent and example, its Catch .22, we are your children. And you could say that "its just the individuals fault" but the large economic and athropologetic proof that shows that Xers are responsible for where we are today. Having that said, Xers are still human, and like humans can vary vastly from person to person, this isn't a generalization, it's the economic and social struggles that dictate how a generation will act on a broad scale. Generation Xers for the most part are moderate and liberal people, who gave birth to the Ys, and because of the economic and social situations we have grown up in, because Ys are still young at this point, there has been no determination as to where we stand in politics, some indicate that Ys will be the most conservative generation since the 30-50s, other indications seem to think that Ys are the most liberal because of our social situation, I think that there will be a split in thought for our generation, as proof we have 4 good examples right in this forum... on the right for Ys we have PJ and Kaiser, on the left we have have Steppe Merc and BP, both show rather mediocre/extreme views... I think our Liberal to Conservative Gap will grow even greater when our Generation takes over politics, dare I say leading to an eventually break up of the US? perhaps, our future is not yet known.
Ianofsmeg16
07-30-2005, 22:28
His name is Wazikashi, the voice of reason!!! ~:cheers:
Seriously, i agree with your statement that not all eras were great, hell in todays era we have crime that terrifie a population, global warming and the threat of those damn hippies taking over again, but we also have technology that not only helps us in the military and gaming worlds but also in the medical world, I myself have been through a life or death operation with a burst appendix (only had 12 hours to live ~:cheers: ) and the technology we have today saved my life, not to mention the doctors, our wars are now few and farther between than days of yore.
But in the 50's we had less street crime, less hippies and less of those aweful reality tv shows like BLOODY BIG BROTHER!!!!! but medical technology wasnt as advanced (although more advanced thatn 20 years beforehand thanks to penecillin) cars were starting to take control of the roads and killing pedestrains because of it.
My point is that all eras have their pros and cons so why the hell are we arguing about what era was best?
I would actually like to go back to the 50's and see the isle of man, therefore cathing a glimpse of the world of 1900
Kääpäkorven Konsuli
07-30-2005, 23:23
Let's compare you place's conditions to circumstances of norther Finland in 60's and 70's:
We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets, not to mention, the risks we took hitchhiking.
You had own bikes!? There was one bike for four children here and they all had to ride at the same time. And they didn't have helmets.
As children, we would ride in cars with no seat belts or air bags.
You had cars!? Here was only tractors
We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle.
Something special on this? Pepoles stil drink from rivers here.
We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and NO ONE actually died from this.
Same goes to this
We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter and drank soft drink with sugar in it, but we weren't overweight because WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!
Didn't you ever work!? Here children had seldome time to play
We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on.
You played all day!? Here children got up early and worked most of the day.
We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem.
You had enough free time to this kind of things!?
The Junior Football teams had practice games and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!
You had footballl teams!?
Doesn't your childhood look much better now?
And I must say, I was born in the 80's and I bet I had much more "worse" (not the right word,) childhood than you had. ~D
You keep contradicting yourself. First you say it was a harmless little joke, but when pressed harder you admit that you were upset by what kiwitt said. Sometimes you say you are only a little upset, but, again, when the truth comes out it appears you took it very personally
MY level of annoyance was based more on you riding me than what kiwitt wrote. It bothered me more when you made me angry.
Since nothing kiwitt said was aimed at you or anyone else - it was actually a very positive piece about who we are - it seems like what actually happened was that you saw a chance to be rude and insulting - make a quick smartass comment without any responsibility.
But it was aimed at me and anyone else born in or after 1980. But as I've said 3 times he didn't mean too. So I threw out the best quip I had for the situation.
No, I don't. But I (and others) are tired or coming in here and wading through the crap and we want to see this place a little more like it used to be. So I'm standing up to try to make it a better place.
Since you don't understand that, you have to resort to (weak) insults and barbs.
Then the problem is your and not mine. You are however seemingly intent on making it my problem. And I won't now or ever accept that.
You did take responsibility for being insulting, if only I could get you to understand that the rude and mean-spirited stuff you wrote doesn't belong here, and that there's a better way to interact to with people.
It does belong here, as long as this place is open to everyone who follows the rules it does.
That's right, online you can write what you want and no one can do anything about it. But what about personal responsibility - that internal drive to check our own actions.
I don't have that, never have. Experience taught me never to say anything. But what's the point of being here if I never say anything.
The Org is meant to be an friendly place, but you seem to want to use as your own free-fire zone, a place where you can say whatever whenever, then run and hide behind your monitor and say 'haha'.
I only turn it into a "free fire zone" if it's warranted. My quip was me being friendly.
All that I'm asking you to do is to stop and realize that you do have a responsibility to interact in a positive way in here, and that in this case you failed to do that.
I was interacting in a positive way. From my point of view. Which by the simple virtue of us being different people isn't the same as yours.
Instead of replying to kiwitt in a positive way, you took the easy way and threw up a smartass insult - AKA a cheap shot.
Wrong I threw out a smart ass quip to take the piss out of kiwitt's post (which it direly needed BTW).
It wasn't fun or funny, it was sad. It was out of line
Again it was funny and in line.
Tell me, Lars, what exactly is so painful to you in this post?
I already said why and you ignored it. I don't feel the need to repeat myself.
There's nothing there to take offense over. Unless you're very very sensitive. No, Lars, I think you saw a chance to take a cheap shot
Yes there is, and I am sensitive (but not overly so and I usually suck it up). But I'm not so stupid as to not be able to see that he meant no offense but yet it was offensive. So I took the piss out of it with my comment. The sole purpose for my comment being there.
So you think that was funny, and perfectly in line with the spirit of the thread. Well, you're wrong. It was wrong to post it and wrong to deny responsibility.
No, I'm right. Your just making a big deal out of nothing. You refuse to take it as it was intended and use it as the thesis for your crusade.
Of course you are. I too am unimpressed with your arguments. I too am unchanged in regards to the post that started all of this. I too can come in here and write what I like from the safety of my kitchen.
The difference is that I do care. I care about the Org and the little online community we've built. You don't understand that, from your posting it appears that you care only for yourself.
I'm asking you to stop taking every opportunity to be rude and insulting, and you're defending your selfish right to be a little jerk. I'm not sorry about which side I'm on.
ichi
Now you understand, I use this place to let off steam in my own way. As you say by being a rude insulting selfish jerk who doesn't care. Hell I'm doing it right now, thank you for that by the way. Also I don't take every opportunity to be rude and insulting. I've passed up some good opportunities because there was no reason to do it. This case I had one. I'm glad that your on the opposite side from me too, otherwise who would I argue with? Myself that just gets a little wierd after a while.
Azi Tohak
07-31-2005, 01:04
I think our Liberal to Conservative Gap will grow even greater when our Generation takes over politics, dare I say leading to an eventually break up of the US? perhaps, our future is not yet known.
Yikes! Don't remind me.
And both Wazikashi and ian_of_smeg16 are right. I don't understand the recrimination. We (everyone still in college and under) are going to have a lot to do. And I think we will be well trained. Some of us anyway. My biggest concerns are the pathetic easing of school standards and the Politically Correct stance that is so popular now. I think both of these need to be chucked out the window, now. Well, really, 15 years ago would have been better.
If my Dad were still around (RIP) I'm sure he would have enjoyed this conversation. Up until the attacks started.
We owe a lot to our parents though. They were not perfect, be we won't be either. I just hope we can learn from their mistakes.
Anyway, I liked the list at the start.
Azi
KafirChobee
07-31-2005, 01:33
Wow! Had did such a simple staement by Kiwitt, get bent around the new generation gap?
For the children born in the 80's to some how believe that education was so disslimilar in the 50's and 60's to todays? Of course, if they took away your pocket computers and handed you a slide-rule, no doubt you would lose your mind. Or, begin whimpering uncontrollably. A friend of mine (Engineer type) does most of the math at his "work" for those that didn't learn how to use a slide rule. He use to joke that without a calculator most of the newby engineers would be using the fingers and toes to solve simple math.
I saw an article last week that said that 11 or 12 % of H.S, seniors today in the U.S. couldn't find America on a world globe. Further, today's drop-out rate is higher than at any time.
One H.S. friend of mine barely got through it. But, he did excell in math and the remenial business courses they provided. He opened his first service sattion and garage at 20 ... he opened his first truck stop at 25, and he never looked back. He's one of those that likes to point out that college only teaches a person how to work for someone else.
Me, I dropped out, got my GED in the Army and got my B.S. and B.A. (at the same time, had the credits). Even attended grad schools and invitation only seminars. So what? Education then, and today, are only as good as the students application of what he (or she) is being taught.
As for era identification? Face it, in the last 50 years things have changed ... extremely. When I was 8, everyone thought we would be on Mars (astronauts) by the end of the 20th century) - didn't happen. There was a prevalent idea (a liberal one granted) back in the 60's that world hunger could be over come.
Someone once said "the more things change, the more the stay the same". Maybe, that is what is happening. Maybe, not. Still, regardless of when one was birthed most problems remain the same - getting through puberty is one of them. Good luck with that Lars. ~D
MY level of annoyance was based more on you riding me than what kiwitt wrote. It bothered me more when you made me angry.
That's odd, your first post is the one that is objectionable, before I posted anything. Its unfortunate that your response was to get angry, all you needed was to look at your actions and realize you were out of line.
But it was aimed at me and anyone else born in or after 1980. But as I've said 3 times he didn't mean too. So I threw out the best quip I had for the situation.
It was aimed at those of us who shared in similar experiences, you took it personally when it clearly wasn't meant to be offensive. Your 'quip' was rude and offensive, adding nothing to the thread except hostility.
Then the problem is your and not mine. You are however seemingly intent on making it my problem. And I won't now or ever accept that.
It clear you have no intention of taking any responsibility. The problem remains, and it is all of ours to deal with. Hopefully you can do your part.
It does belong here, as long as this place is open to everyone who follows the rules it does.
Yes, it is possible to skirt the rules and post right on the edge. You fail to understand that this isn't your private playground, where you can act out as you see fit. Too bad, you're making it a less pleasant place for the rest of us.
I don't have that, never have. Experience taught me never to say anything. But what's the point of being here if I never say anything.
This is in response to me asking you to take personal responsibility. I've already noted how selfish you appear, unable to consider a greater good than your own sense of satisfaction.
I only turn it into a "free fire zone" if it's warranted. My quip was me being friendly.
You've said this several times. My response is the same, that you feel free to dump on whoever, whenever you feel its justified, but you also seem unable to understand that you don't come across as friendly, but as rude and insulting. Some day you'll get it, hopefully.
I was interacting in a positive way. From my point of view. Which by the simple virtue of us being different people isn't the same as yours.
Your post speaks for itself, it wasn't positive in any objective view.
Wrong I threw out a smart ass quip to take the piss out of kiwitt's post (which it direly needed BTW).
Well we've agreed on two things now. That your post was insulting and now, that it was a smartass remark. When you come to realize that we need less of that we'll be done.
and it's too bad you felt so threatened by kiwitt's post that you had to try to take the piss. It was a nice fun post that needed nothing of the kind.
Again it was funny and in line.
Say it all you want, it was a cheap shot (and a rather weak one BTW). It wasn't funny and it was out of line.
Tell me, Lars, what exactly is so painful to you in this post?
I already said why and you ignored it. I don't feel the need to repeat myself.
I looked back through the thread but couldn't find anything other than you felt that a celebration of a generation was offensive. As I look through his post I find nothing that would elicit such a hostile reaction from you. Your post asking if he wanted a medal seems to indicate that you were mocking someone for being proud of themselves and others like them. Either tell me me why it was painful to you or I'll just have to assume it was you seeing an opportunity to snipe.
Yes there is, and I am sensitive (but not overly so and I usually suck it up). But I'm not so stupid as to not be able to see that he meant no offense but yet it was offensive. So I took the piss out of it with my comment. The sole purpose for my comment being there.
IMO you failed to 'take the piss', you just came off as angy and resentful.
No, I'm right. Your just making a big deal out of nothing. You refuse to take it as it was intended and use it as the thesis for your crusade.
Again with the contradictions. First it was just a joke, then you were taking the piss, then you were angry. After all that you've said I'm not sure how it was intended.
What you fail to realize is that your attempt at humor, if that's what it was, was mean, rude, insulting, not funny, and out of line.
To you this may be just another board where you can come in and piss off people, say what you want then hide, but to me its one of the best forums on the web. If you think that the general decline in civility and increase in bull is no big deal, then that's consistent with your failure to understand anything but your own selfishness.
Using terms like soapbox and crusade is your way of trying to belittle me for making an effort to keep this place pleasant. Why do you feel the need to do that?
Now you understand, I use this place to let off steam in my own way. As you say by being a rude insulting selfish jerk who doesn't care. Hell I'm doing it right now, thank you for that by the way. Also I don't take every opportunity to be rude and insulting. I've passed up some good opportunities because there was no reason to do it. This case I had one. I'm glad that your on the opposite side from me too, otherwise who would I argue with? Myself that just gets a little wierd after a while.
Thanks Lars, you just made my point for me.
ichi
Gawain of Orkeny
07-31-2005, 02:32
Wow! Had did such a simple staement by Kiwitt, get bent around the new generation gap?
For the children born in the 80's to some how believe that education was so disslimilar in the 50's and 60's to todays? Of course, if they took away your pocket computers and handed you a slide-rule, no doubt you would lose your mind. Or, begin whimpering uncontrollably. A friend of mine (Engineer type) does most of the math at his "work" for those that didn't learn how to use a slide rule. He use to joke that without a calculator most of the newby engineers would be using the fingers and toes to solve simple math.
I saw an article last week that said that 11 or 12 % of H.S, seniors today in the U.S. couldn't find America on a world globe. Further, today's drop-out rate is higher than at any time.
One H.S. friend of mine barely got through it. But, he did excell in math and the remenial business courses they provided. He opened his first service sattion and garage at 20 ... he opened his first truck stop at 25, and he never looked back. He's one of those that likes to point out that college only teaches a person how to work for someone else.
Me, I dropped out, got my GED in the Army and got my B.S. and B.A. (at the same time, had the credits). Even attended grad schools and invitation only seminars. So what? Education then, and today, are only as good as the students application of what he (or she) is being taught.
As for era identification? Face it, in the last 50 years things have changed ... extremely. When I was 8, everyone thought we would be on Mars (astronauts) by the end of the 20th century) - didn't happen. There was a prevalent idea (a liberal one granted) back in the 60's that world hunger could be over come.
Someone once said "the more things change, the more the stay the same". Maybe, that is what is happening. Maybe, not. Still, regardless of when one was birthed most problems remain the same - getting through puberty is one of them. Good luck with that Lars.
For once Kaf old mate for once I couldnt agree with you more. If we agree that pretty much closes the case ~D
Still, regardless of when one was birthed most problems remain the same - getting through puberty is one of them. Good luck with that Lars. ~D
I got through it all right. With one exception. I still get breakouts like a 12 yearold. It's really fuggin annoying to have just turned 24 and still be mistook for 17. :furious3:
Mongoose
07-31-2005, 03:21
Let's compare you place's conditions to circumstances of norther Finland in 60's and 70's:
You had own bikes!? There was one bike for four children here and they all had to ride at the same time. And they didn't have helmets.
You had cars!? Here was only tractors
Something special on this? Pepoles stil drink from rivers here.
Same goes to this
Didn't you ever work!? Here children had seldome time to play
You played all day!? Here children got up early and worked most of the day.
You had enough free time to this kind of things!?
You had footballl teams!?
Doesn't your childhood look much better now?
And I must say, I was born in the 80's and I bet I had much more "worse" (not the right word,) childhood than you had. ~D
~:thumb:
Nice job of belittling kiwitt ~D
Samurai Waki
07-31-2005, 06:29
For the children born in the 80's to some how believe that education was so disslimilar in the 50's and 60's to todays? Of course, if they took away your pocket computers and handed you a slide-rule, no doubt you would lose your mind. Or, begin whimpering uncontrollably. A friend of mine (Engineer type) does most of the math at his "work" for those that didn't learn how to use a slide rule. He use to joke that without a calculator most of the newby engineers would be using the fingers and toes to solve simple math.
Ah yes, but this in no way makes him superior to us. I am sure that sometime in the future a guy will develop some kind of mathematic contraption that shoots out of your ass or something, and only we'll know how to use it. ~;)
I am sure if your friend met an ancient egyptian and he explained how they built the Pyramids using Cubits and other mathematic tools of their time, you're friend would just scratch his head, yet they managed to do so with very basic technology, and were even caparably accurate at to something modern engineers could make.
I think you guys need to stop staring down your nose at our generation and get off your high horse, we wouldn't be were we are today if it wasn't for your generation in the first place. The only ones to to blame are yourselves.
This reminds me of Gladiator when Marcus Aurelius speaks to his son Comedus "Your Fault as a son is my failure as a father." And then Comedus kills him :wiseguy:
Proletariat
07-31-2005, 16:12
Lars, I don't expect you to understand, but that comment is rude, mean, insulting, and essentially added nothing to the discussion. As a matter of fact, it took a nice nostalgic piece and turned it to rancor.
You can make excuses about where you're from or the quality of your upbringing, but it is was wrong.
Think about it, please
ichi
I'm still trying to figure out how you are so upset about this. BP and Lars are responding to a poorly thought out initial post that holds no water. You're playing the same game they are, and your 'moral high ground' stance is fooling no one.
Keep on living in the 'Good Ole Day's,' which only exist in your memory. (Do you recognize where that's from?) Then have a Werther's Original and watch some Matlock so maybe you can calm down a bit. You're way too thin skinned for the internet if you think what Lars said was offensive.
The problem remains, and it is all of ours to deal with.
Unbelievable. Did you mean this? (To all: are you okay? Have you all recovered from Lars' caustic and destructive joke? Will you ever be the same? Maybe some therapy is required?)
Gawain of Orkeny
07-31-2005, 16:32
I think you guys need to stop staring down your nose at our generation and get off your high horse,
Whos the one on the high horse here? No ones staring down their nose at your generation. It wasnt us who staid you guys didnt even have calculus back then and now everyone goes to college not like you dunces back in the old days who were lucky to have HS. Were just pointing out the world and society have changed. In many ways for the better but then again in many ways for the worse. If I had to choose a period to get stuck in Ill take the 50s here in America thank you..
we wouldn't be were we are today if it wasn't for your generation in the first place.
Well then show a little gratitude and respect for your elders. Another thing that is sadly lacking in todays younger generation.
The only ones to to blame are yourselves.
Are you really that miserable? Look you guys are our hope for the future no ones trying to put you down. But dont go acting were all a bunch of Neanderthals who want to return to our caves. I know that here in the US at least many kids are becoming more conservative. There is hope ~D
Ser Clegane
07-31-2005, 16:46
This must be one of those days.
I still have a hard time believing this thread ... this one alone seems to justify the existance of the Frontroom.
Obviously it is not possible to post an old internet joke in the Backroom without having it first dissected and then starting a brawl over it.
The original post took a humorous shot at how overly concerned people today are about a lot of things in life (particularly with regard to their children).
The orgibial post has nothing to do with how great the previous generation was or how "bad" the current one is.
It just says
"look - there are so many things we worry about today or that we consider to be important today, but it seems we are overdoing our worries as it seems a couple of decades ago people still survived and thrived"
But what happens?
Some people take it serious, think that the post is meant to glorify one generation and to ridicule another, and think snide comments are the best way to response.
Of course - given the current tense situation and deterioriation of posting etiquette in the Backroom - this leads to a major discussion.
Two points:
a) everybody take a deep breath, think of something nice and keep this thread civil (otherwise it will be closed)
b) remind me to never post a joke in the Backroom
Thanks :bow:
Ser Clegane
Proletariat
07-31-2005, 16:54
Such a comment is patently offensive, and in person would lead to a brawl.
*shock and awe*
Mongoose
07-31-2005, 19:05
Unbelievable. Did you mean this? (To all: are you okay? Have you all recovered from Lars' caustic and destructive joke? Will you ever be the same? Maybe some therapy is required?)
I'll simply never be the same ~:mecry: The post is burned into my mind and i can't forget it :wreck:
What i find funny is that this thread, unlike others, isn't "conservatives" Vs "liberals". Instead, it's everyone over 30 VS everyone under 30 ~:eek:
Why is every one so angry about lars's comment? it was simply a response to a poorly though out and condescending post that was probably better off in the front room IMO.
*edit* i just read ser cleagane's post. i will say something positive...
though kiwitts post was alittle condescending, i think he might have a point about people being somewhay over protective. Though things have changed since the 50's...and the world is much less safe...
Azi Tohak
07-31-2005, 19:29
Now if I could come up with something offensive to get Ser to shut this down...I would...
But I really have nothing mean to say about any of this or to anyone. I thought the original post was humorous, and some of BPs counters were good too.
But I must say the under 30 versus over 30 is funny. Which way you swing politicially does not matter. Humph. So maybe we know how to unite age groups now! Alienate everyone else! Wait...no...that is a bad idea.
Azi
Ah, blindsided. I'd hoped to let this quiet down, but the lady has jumped in and tried to help out, using sarcasm and condescension.
I'm still trying to figure out how you are so upset about this.
I'm tired of the lack of civility. There has been a degradation of posting etiquette and its making the plce less pleasant. The original post was a fun lighthearted piece and some folks jumped on it a very negative way.
BP and Lars are responding to a poorly thought out initial post that holds no water.
IMO it was a great post that celebrated the trials and triumphs of a generation. Lars, and to a lesser extent, BP, responded with cheap shots.
You're playing the same game they are, and your 'moral high ground' stance is fooling no one.
I'm not playing at anything here. Each time I log on to what used to be one of my favorite forums I have to wade through the tripe and bullshit to find something worth reading.
TBH it seems like you're trying to go one up on me with the high ground thing. There's prolly no way to convince you that I don't give a damn about the generation gap issue, I just want to see a little more civility and a little less hostility in here.
Keep on living in the 'Good Ole Day's,' which only exist in your memory. (Do you recognize where that's from?) Then have a Werther's Original and watch some Matlock so maybe you can calm down a bit. You're way too thin skinned for the internet if you think what Lars said was offensive.
Never had a Werther's, never watched Matlock. and actually I'm quite calm. The 'good ole days' pop up whenever and wherever we make them. You've made several incorrect assumptions about me, and you've missed the mark with all your little slurs, they're quite unbecoming and add little to the discussion.
Is it thin-skinned to want to have a little civility? I think you've confused things.
Unbelievable. Did you mean this? (To all: are you okay? Have you all recovered from Lars' caustic and destructive joke? Will you ever be the same? Maybe some therapy is required?)
Ahh, overdramafication. Since you can't or won't discuss the issue intelligently, exaggerate the whole thing to absurdity. It's so much easier to try and ridicule others than to engage in a constructive dialogue.
Prol, I doubt that anyone was permanently scarred over the one post. If you want to try to mock me because I'm standing up against the XSBS then please, go ahead. I had hoped that people would see that this is a great forum that is slowly being degraded, and that we are the only ones who can stop it.
I still feel good about trying to make this a nicer place.
My point is clear. We used to be able to post here without having the thread spammed or hijacked or filled with insults. Now the place is the personal dumping ground for a number of trolls and other angry people.
ichi
Proletariat
07-31-2005, 20:13
Ah, blindsided. I'd hoped to let this quiet down, but the lady has jumped in and tried to help out, using sarcasm and condescension.
Sorry.
I'm tired of the lack of civility. There has been a degradation of posting etiquette and its making the plce less pleasant. The original post was a fun lighthearted piece and some folks jumped on it a very negative way.
This is where you lose credibility.
IMO it was a great post that celebrated the trials and triumphs of a generation. Lars, and to a lesser extent, BP, responded with cheap shots.
There you go.
I'm not playing at anything here. Each time I log on to what used to be one of my favorite forums I have to wade through the tripe and bullshit to find something worth reading.
TBH it seems like you're trying to go one up on me with the high ground thing. There's prolly no way to convince you that I don't give a damn about the generation gap issue, I just want to see a little more civility and a little less hostility in here.
BP and Lars responded in a tongue in cheek fashion to a tongue in cheek post. Why is what BP and Lars said 'tripe bullshit' but kiwitt's is a 'great post'?
Never had a Werther's, never watched Matlock. and actually I'm quite calm. The 'good ole days' pop up whenever and wherever we make them. You've made several incorrect assumptions about me, and you've missed the mark with all your little slurs, they're quite unbecoming and add little to the discussion.
The Matlock thing was a Simpsons reference I thought you might like. Sorry, again.
Ahh, overdramafication.
ichi
Very rich, coming from someone who thinks post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=860549&postcount=2) #2 would start a brawl. Who do you hang around where brawling over things like that is expected?
On topic, all generations have the things that were stupid about them, and also those things that were admirable about them. It's not apples to apples to compare any of them, for many obvious reasons. But to somehow say kiwitt's post was clever, accurate, just a joke, etc, while saying BP and Lars are ruining the Org with their responses, is an utter overdramafication.
Why is what BP and Lars said 'tripe bullshit' but kiwitt's is a 'great post'?
The posts speak for themselves. kiwitt was celebrating a generation for surviving the conditions under which they were raised, and isn't a personal attack on anyone.
So, you want a medal or a chest to pin it on?
IMO, this isn't tongue-in-cheek, it's a poor attempt to mock another member.
I did get the Simpson's thing, but in the context of a paragraph of comments attempting to demean me, it wasn't funny.
Who do you hang around where brawling over things like that is expected? Because I really only play one game, VI, and this has been the best place for information and the best community for TW fans. I don't mind brawling, I've shown that I can go toe-to-toe with the best. It's the personal attacks, the insults, the spam, the hijacking that is making this place less pleasant. Brawling may be expected in the Tavern, but IMO brawling on an adult level.
There are those who feel that this place is different, a forum where intelligent, civilised discussion is the standard, and others who think that it simply another board where they can post whatever, within a strict interpretation of the rules, anonymously and without responsibility.
Forgive me for wanting more.
ichi
Proletariat
07-31-2005, 21:00
Because I really only play one game, VI, and this has been the best place for information and the best community for TW fans. I don't mind brawling, I've shown that I can go toe-to-toe with the best. It's the personal attacks, the insults, the spam, the hijacking that is making this place less pleasant. Brawling may be expected in the Tavern, but IMO brawling on an adult level.
There are those who feel that this place is different, a forum where intelligent, civilised discussion is the standard, and others who think that it simply another board where they can post whatever, within a strict interpretation of the rules, anonymously and without responsibility.
Forgive me for wanting more.
ichi
...whaa..? You said post #2 would start a brawl in person. That's ridiculous. VI and the Org rules have nothing to do with your absurd hyperbole.
Kagemusha
07-31-2005, 21:11
Word escalation comes to my mind,when i read this thread ."War of agegroups".
Because i was bornon 1978 i should give thanks for the congratulations i survived couple of years in 70´s. ~;) .I think the brawl wich started after the initial posts is somehow understandable.If i remember my childhood,it warms my heart everytime i think of it.Ofcourse its a matter of luck what kind of childhood you get.But the point is that you are child just once.And that time in our memories is sacred to as all.No matter if you were chilren in 30´s or 60´s or 70´s or 90´s.Inmatter of fact i think if you ask any human beeing what decade was the best,the person will answer the decade when he was a child or a teenager.I think we are rich here in Org,because we have people young and old here.Maybe we can even learn something from each other here, or then maybe not. ~;)
Gawain of Orkeny
07-31-2005, 21:20
Some people hated their childhood. For the most part your right . Thats because life and the world were always simpler in the past. Progress brings complexity. It goes back to who happier Jags natives in the Amazon or you. We all have to choose how much progress and complexity we are willing to accept. Thats why some people prefer the country life. The thing about the 50s is everything that was reall needed to live comfortably had already been invented. It was a great balnce at least here in the US of good economic times and prise in our country. Life certainly was simple as compared to now days. What some call progress others call decadence.
Kagemusha
07-31-2005, 21:28
Some people hated their childhood. For the most part your right . Thats because life and the world were always simpler in the past. Progress brings complexity. It goes back to who happier Jags natives in the Amazon or you. We all have to choose how much progress and complexity we are willing to accept. Thats why some people prefer the country life. The thing about the 50s is everything that was reall needed to live comfortably had already been invented. It was a great balnce at least here in the US of good economic times and prise in our country. Life certainly was simple as compared to now days. What some call progress others call decadence.
I agree with you Gawain.It would be nice if we could choose when and where to born.But unfortunetely its in possible.Only thing we can do is to stiff up the lip,and make our lives as good as it gets. ~:)
Can't believe I missed this! :dizzy2: That'l learn me not to post at 2:00 AM.
That's odd, your first post is the one that is objectionable, before I posted anything. Its unfortunate that your response was to get angry, all you needed was to look at your actions and realize you were out of line.
That's the ADD, you ask me the same question at 3 different times you'll get 3 different answers. That and it's part of my ninja like skills to confuse my opponents with contradictory statements. Mwahahaha! Like I said I didn't get angry until you started to ride me.
It was aimed at those of us who shared in similar experiences, you took it personally when it clearly wasn't meant to be offensive. Your 'quip' was rude and offensive, adding nothing to the thread except hostility.
And it was derogatory to anyone who didn't share them. And my quip was not offensive, well maybe to an old lady like my grand mother. But anyone else should be able to take it for what it was.
It clear you have no intention of taking any responsibility. The problem remains, and it is all of ours to deal with. Hopefully you can do your part.
Now your getting it. And I won't so you can get off it now. Taking "responsibility" would be like admitting I was wrong, and THAT is never going to happen.
Yes, it is possible to skirt the rules and post right on the edge. You fail to understand that this isn't your private playground, where you can act out as you see fit. Too bad, you're making it a less pleasant place for the rest of us.
And I won't know the limits until I find the wall. But that's the kicker of a public ofrum like this you have to take the courtousness with the assholery.
This is in response to me asking you to take personal responsibility. I've already noted how selfish you appear, unable to consider a greater good than your own sense of satisfaction.
The greater good is an illusion. The only thing I care about is me, screw the world.
You've said this several times. My response is the same, that you feel free to dump on whoever, whenever you feel its justified, but you also seem unable to understand that you don't come across as friendly, but as rude and insulting. Some day you'll get it, hopefully.
I doubt that, I'm very stubborn.
Your post speaks for itself, it wasn't positive in any objective view.
Then you need to re-examine your objectivity. Cause here on planet earth it was positive.
Well we've agreed on two things now. That your post was insulting and now, that it was a smartass remark. When you come to realize that we need less of that we'll be done.
Actually we much much much more smartass remarks. There what make the world go round.
and it's too bad you felt so threatened by kiwitt's post that you had to try to take the piss. It was a nice fun post that needed nothing of the kind.
Yes it did. It made me amused, angry, and insulted all at the same time.
Say it all you want, it was a cheap shot (and a rather weak one BTW). It wasn't funny and it was out of line.
-Was not a cheap shot
-Was funny
-Was in line
I looked back through the thread but couldn't find anything other than you felt that a celebration of a generation was offensive. As I look through his post I find nothing that would elicit such a hostile reaction from you. Your post asking if he wanted a medal seems to indicate that you were mocking someone for being proud of themselves and others like them. Either tell me me why it was painful to you or I'll just have to assume it was you seeing an opportunity to snipe.
If you really so blind you can't see it. You must need glasses, so here you go.
You see most of what kiwitt said applies to me and I was born in 1981.
Exceptions being
-My mom never drank or had any desire to until my younger brother was in his teens
-My mom refused to feed us 3 kids white bread, it was always whole weat (better for ya.)
-It's been illegal to ride in a car with out a seat belt in Canada (federal law) for nearly 40 years
-I've always hated playing outside, I prefered to be in my sandbox building castles and only for an hour
-I grew up in the city so there were limits to how far I could roam until I was a teen
-We didn't get a NES in my household till I was 9
-We were never alowed a BB gun 1 because mom didn't like them and 2 because she knew little brother would try and kill me with it
IMO you failed to 'take the piss', you just came off as angy and resentful.
You wound me sir. :embarassed: not likely :evil:
Again with the contradictions. First it was just a joke, then you were taking the piss, then you were angry. After all that you've said I'm not sure how it was intended.
What can I say ADD. Unless I look right at what I said before I can't remember what it was.
What you fail to realize is that your attempt at humor, if that's what it was, was mean, rude, insulting, not funny, and out of line.
Broken record.
To you this may be just another board where you can come in and piss off people, say what you want then hide, but to me its one of the best forums on the web. If you think that the general decline in civility and increase in bull is no big deal, then that's consistent with your failure to understand anything but your own selfishness.
The only person I appear to have pissed off is you. Looks like a few people were amused by what I said. And find your anger at it illogical.
Using terms like soapbox and crusade is your way of trying to belittle me for making an effort to keep this place pleasant. Why do you feel the need to do that?
It is pleasant. Your trying to be everybodies mommy. And I already have a mother thanks you. Plus we have mods.
Thanks Lars, you just made my point for me.
ichi
Your welcome. ~:cheers:
...whaa..? You said post #2 would start a brawl in person. That's ridiculous. VI and the Org rules have nothing to do with your absurd hyperbole.
No amount of smilies can mitigate asking someone if they need a chest to pin a medal on. Such a comment is patently offensive, and in person would lead to a brawl. But you refuse to get it, so . . .
Perhaps far up in teh magnolia tree there are folks who would ignore insults, my experience is that if you said that in person you'd get more than you bargained for.
Go try it. Go into a bar and strike up a conversation with someone about them. Ask what makes them feel good about themselves, and when they tell you look them in the eye and ask them if they want a medal, or a chest to pin it on. Let me know how that works out.
Its regretable that you condone rude offensive behavior and try to belittle someone who thinks we would better off without it.
ichi
I was not expecting "kids of the 80's or later" to be so sensitive. If I upset people of these later generation's, I apologize. Note: this will not stop me posting here, items I fine amusing. The majority of people could relate to some of the lines there.
Thanks Ichi and others for understanding where I was coming from when I posted this.
BTW: I also studied Calculas in High School in 1978.
Some people hated their childhood. For the most part your right . Thats because life and the world were always simpler in the past. Progress brings complexity. It goes back to who happier Jags natives in the Amazon or you. We all have to choose how much progress and complexity we are willing to accept. Thats why some people prefer the country life. The thing about the 50s is everything that was reall needed to live comfortably had already been invented. It was a great balnce at least here in the US of good economic times and prise in our country. Life certainly was simple as compared to now days. What some call progress others call decadence.
Thats rubbish. No microwaves? No lager (at least not here)? No Pink Floyd? Thats not living comfortably in my book.
Gawain of Orkeny
08-01-2005, 04:45
Thats rubbish. No microwaves? No lager (at least not here)? No Pink Floyd? Thats not living comfortably in my book.
Damn thats pretty sad.
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