Is there a racial double standard in the USA

[scooter_the_shooter]

I was watching the TV yesterday and a commercial came on. It went something like this.

#35 percent of people who need organ transplants are African American.

(I Forget the number) of percent of homeless people are African American.

Etc a bunch of other stuff like that about colored people.



Only you can help them donate money. (Or something like that)

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The first thing that crossed my mind was "who gives a !@#$ if they are African American or not? Shouldn’t we want to help all people in that situation regardless of color?"



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Then I started thinking about it some more. If that commercial was for white people the makers would be called racist and bigots. And maybe even go to jail.

There seems to be a double standard for the different colors in this country.


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If some one says 'I am going to bust a cap in whitey" People will think nothing of it.

If some one says "I am going to go stab me a negro" People will look at you in shock and maybe even call the police.

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Look at comedy central with shows like chapelle show and that new one with the Spanish guy. If a white guy was up there saying the things they say he would be taken off the air and maybe arrested.

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Then you have organizations like the "united negro college fund" or something like that. I don’t think those are fair because on the news not long ago people
were Getting upset over a white only college fund.

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I am just reading to much into a stupid commercial or is this really a problem.


If this is really a problem I think its because of that politically correct BS

[Franconicus]

How is the integration going in the US. When I was in school I learned that the US is the big 'melting pot'. However I saw that there is black music, for example. Are there still differences?

[scooter_the_shooter]

There is all the different races here... but it seems the minorities are able to get away with more.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

I know exactly what you mean. The radical left wing of America (the Democrats, the ACLU, etc) feel a need to help the "struggling" minority that they don't even realize that their "help" is only hindering their advancment. Seriously, isn't channels like BET (Black Entertainment Television) rascist if a White Entertainment channel is? Why are racial slurs like "Cracker" and "Pinkey" acceptable when things like "c*******" and "negro" aren't?

And there are other things designed to "help" the minorities that only hurt us as a whole. For example, most universities would take an underqualified black student over a qualified white student just because the underqualified student is black. Forgive me, but isn't that racial preferance? Why yes I do beleive it is. Another thing is that the exams to become a policeman or lawyer are different for minorities, and not only that, but their designed to be easier! That means that we have cops who are not qualified to be out there guarding our streets. That puts us all at danger.

I am getting sick of this whole "America has an obligation to help the black man" mentality. Lincoln freed the slaves over a hundred and fourty years ago, yet many of them still cannot get their act together. I know many blacks, in fact, I have a few blacks amongst my friends, and they are doing fine because they don't use their race as a get out of jail free card (literally or metephorically).

Don't get me started on the Mexicans...

[scooter_the_shooter]

I know what you mean capo. They talk about equality for minorities.... what about us :dizzy2:

They are trying so hard not to be racist against them that they are being racist against us.

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

there is a double standard.

As for the melting pot: that applied to the large waves of early 20th century European migration and the creation of a generic sort of White American identity. People try to use it for US society at large but it doesn't quite work, some people say that a salad bowl or stew is a better description: each group picking up a little flavour of the others without losing their identity.

[KukriKhan]

"...Don't get me started on the Mexicans..."

A fine idea.

Tread very carefully down this path, ladies and gentlemen. We can discuss discrimination, counter-discrimination, and so-called 'reverse-discrimination', as long as forum rules against group/race-bashing are observed.

I am unaware that any US state bar exam is different based on race or any other criteria. Link?

Likewise police entrance exams.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

"...Don't get me started on the Mexicans..."

A fine idea.

Tread very carefully down this path, ladies and gentlemen. We can discuss discrimination, counter-discrimination, and so-called 'reverse-discrimination', as long as forum rules against group/race-bashing are observed.

I am unaware that any US state bar exam is different based on race or any other criteria. Link?

Likewise police entrance exams.
It was in a newspaper article my dad showed me a while ago when he was getting ready for his court date (suing the State of New York over somthing, I forget what. He won ~D )

[scooter_the_shooter]

Its the same thing with affirmative action. I might be a better worker but they pick the minority :help:

[Al Khalifah]

Yes there is and the same thing exists in the UK.
We have had to be hideously careful when selecting applicants for jobs at places where I have worked so that there could not be seen to be any racism present in the selection process.
Those who shortlist interview candidates are given screened information that contains no information that could lead to prejudice.

Its a total farce, some of the applications read bizarely but it's what has to be done to stop people from trying to sue you.

[Franconicus]

We do not have these kind of problems in Germany. Maybe with female rights, butthey are not really a minority ~;)

[scooter_the_shooter]

The women's rights is going over board. They want to be on male sports teams...Ok but if a guy wants to join their teams they wont let him.

[Al Khalifah]

Isn't that an admission of inferiority on their part?

[PanzerJaeger]

Short answer: Yes, and its almost exclusively a black phenomenon. Its not even subtle.. its government policy to discriminate in favor of blacks. Some have jumped on the bandwagon and played the part of the oppressed minority and some havent. The extortion of America by the the Jesse Jackson wing has been truly disgusting. :no:

The sad thing is that this leads to more racism. Many people just assume black people shouldnt be expected to speak proper english or handle the same work load as other people. This makes a lot of people hostile towards them.

The moral of the story is that reverse discrimination is nearly as detrimental as discrimination and total equality is preferable.

However, the good news is that there are more and more successful people who happen to be black who are changing this. Hopefully one of them will be the next president. ~;)

[scooter_the_shooter]

One thing happened to me that shows how bad this is.

I was arguing with a black person at school over something stupid


It had nothing to do with race... Out of no where he starts saying "Its because I am black" "You are a racist"(etc) then he just kept going on, Then he starts telling people my whole family is in the kkk ~:eek: It took a LONG time to convince people I wasn't some racist bigot after that.

Its getting ridiculous some of people think if you disagree with them you are a racist.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Nice Animal Farm Quote.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Reverse racism is an insignificant problem compared to real racism.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Reverse racism is an insignificant problem compared to real racism.

Baloney. Racism is racism.

[Samurai Waki]

There was a similar case of this that happened to my father a few years back. There was a white guy and black guy, both were Stanford Graduates, that applied for the same job at my dads company, after interviewing both of the candidates my dad decided the white guy was better suited for the task (being a major in economics) and the black wasn't quite suited to the job (being a major in Law & Criminal Justice), irregardless the Black Guy sued, and took my dad to a Court Hearing for Racism... thankfully the Jury and Judge didn't buy the guy's case at all, considering my dad has three other top ranking employees/Advisors that are of various races including black and they all vouched for him being fair and kind to all of his employees... that it wasn't a case about racism at all, but blatant greed. I think there are still people who are either black, white, asian, Latino or whatever that look at this and just shake their heads, because their aim of the civil right movements was to become equal with whites and not feeling like they need special care, in fact many blacks are upset by this because it makes them seem like they are still infurior to whites.

[Redleg]

Reverse racism is an insignificant problem compared to real racism.

Now this is just to damn funny.

So are we making excuses for racism now because its blacks being racist against whites? Or because Hispanics are beign racist toward Anglo's? Or because blacks are being racist against Hispanics? Or is it because Hispanics are being racist againt Blacks?


Racism in all its forms is a problem - be it the imaged insignificant problem that you seem to think it is - racism is racism - it doesn't matter which group is being racist - it is still racism.

So how is reverse racism not a significant problem? Frankly I don't buy that logic at all - since like I have already stated racism is racism no matter how it hides it face. You can not claim real racism is a problem and at the same time claim reverse racism is insignificant - since reverse racism is indeed real racism also.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Now this is just to damn funny.

So are we making excuses for racism now because its blacks being racist against whites? Or because Hispanics are beign racist toward Anglo's? Or because blacks are being racist against Hispanics? Or is it because Hispanics are being racist againt Blacks?


Racism in all its forms is a problem - be it the imaged insignificant problem that you seem to think it is - racism is racism - it doesn't matter which group is being racist - it is still racism.

So how is reverse racism not a significant problem? Frankly I don't buy that logic at all - since like I have already stated racism is racism no matter how it hides it face. You can not claim real racism is a problem and at the same time claim reverse racism is insignificant - since reverse racism is indeed real racism also.

I meant in quantity, the amount of one when compared to the other.

And all racism is not equal. Affirmative action is not the equivelent of cops shooting a black guy down in the street.



What is funny is the "oppressed majority" boohooing. When you have plenty of money you can afford to be discriminated against.

[|OCS|Virus]

Of course there is a double standard, you don't see any WET {nehehe wet...} do you? no, because if I started a T.V. station and called it "White Entertainment T.V." I would instantly be slapped with a big red sticker that sais "Racist" right across my forehead. Sad thing is there is nothing I can do about it.

It is strange how most people say that these things are just untrue sterio types, but it keeps getting proved to me over and over again. For instance, my brother is the steriotypical "wigger" they call them. And you know what thats fine, you have the right in america to act or say anything you please, but when you start getting special treatment from it, it just needs to stop.

No one is going to give my brother special treatment for being a wigger, and why should they? they should give him as much special treatment as we should give a gay man. Thats my view on it.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

I meant in quantity, the amount of one when compared to the other.

Duh you mean theres more by the majority. What a revelation. Ill bet you percentage wise though its far more common among minorities.


And all racism is not equal. Affirmative action is not the equivelent of cops shooting a black guy down in the street.

So police shooting a black guy down in the street is an example of racism? ~:confused: Sounds like an emotional appeal.


What is funny is the "oppressed majority" boohooing. When you have plenty of money you can afford to be discriminated against.

Go back and read your first quote here. There are far more poor white people . What of them? I can tell you right now if you go to social servicess you have a far better chance of getting assitance if your not white.

[King of Atlantis]

The women's rights is going over board. They want to be on male sports teams...Ok but if a guy wants to join their teams they wont let him.

at my school a guy did join the girls team. ~:eek:

[Redleg]

I meant in quantity, the amount of one when compared to the other.

And again you would be incorrect. Try walking into a black neighborhood unvited as a white man and see what happens. Again racism is racism no matter what the reason. Racism from a group of the population that makes up a total of about 26% of the total is still just as great of an impact of the racism from the group that is about 60% of the population.



And all racism is not equal. Affirmative action is not the equivelent of cops shooting a black guy down in the street.


Again all racism is the same - regardless of who does it. The impact of that racism might be different. But again using the counter to your arguement. As a white man walk into an all black neighborhood and see what happens. The racism and the impact of that racism is just as bad as the black man walking into a racist white neighborhood.



What is funny is the "oppressed majority" boohooing. When you have plenty of money you can afford to be discriminated against.

What is even more is that you seem to be condoning reverse racism - yet saying real racism is bad. I think you do not understand what racism is or what it does. When you reverse racism - ie blacks being racist against whites - it continues the pattern of racism - and the impact on the individual is exactly the same. And as Giawan already pointed out - there are by pure numbers more poor white people then any other group. The percentage is off-set by numbers of whites that are succeeding in the middle and upper income class because of either education, desire to work, and desire to succeed.

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

I had to go somewhere in Cleveland. I didn't realize it was a black neighbourhood. I got all sorts of nasty shit yelled at me.

I'm white.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Try walking into a black neighborhood unvited as a white man and see what happens. As a white man walk into an all black neighborhood and see what happens. The racism and the impact of that racism is just as bad as the black man walking into a racist white neighborhood.

I don't buy that. I lived in a black neighborhood for 14 years and people were freindly. We used to play baseball in our front yard. Maybe I am relying too much on personal experience here.




Again racism is racism no matter what the reason. Racism from a group of the population that makes up a total of about 26% of the total is still just as great of an impact of the racism from the group that is about 60% of the population.

Again all racism is the same - regardless of who does it. The impact of that racism might be different.

That's too simple for me. The racism of today is small compared to what it used to be. I think you know what I mean when you speak of impact, that is what really matters. There's no law against being racist, just on acting on it.



What is even more is that you seem to be condoning reverse racism - yet saying real racism is bad. I think you do not understand what racism is or what it does. When you reverse racism - ie blacks being racist against whites - it continues the pattern of racism - and the impact on the individual is exactly the same.

I'm not condoning reverse racism. I think there is a double standard: whites are being held to a higher standard. That is only fitting for a majority, especially given our history.

BTW the term "reverse racism" makes no sense at all. Before you said that about "blacks being racist against whites" I assumed you meant whites being racist against whites for fear of being seen as racist against blacks which is what the term would imply, some kind of reverse. Why don't you just say "Racism" since all racism is racism.

The fact is people will very eagerly degrade someone if they are given the ok by someone in authority. As in the "brown eyes, blue eyes" experiment. This is why "n--" is taboo while "whitey" is not. I could care less if someone calls me "whitey". There is no history behind it and to call double standard is petty.

It strikes me as odd that there have been several threads with people complaining about the double standards of stand up comedians and none on the KKK. Priorities out of whack. I just can't see affirmitive action and "we can't insult them" as the terrible injustices they are being held up as.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

It strikes me as odd that there have been several threads with people complaining about the double standards of stand up comedians and none on the KKK.

When was the last time the KKK made the news other than related ot some old case from the 60s? Thier pretty much history.

[Redleg]

I don't buy that. I lived in a black neighborhood for 14 years and people were freindly. We used to play baseball in our front yard. Maybe I am relying too much on personal experience here.

Its a weak arguement - but also a true one. I live in a neighborhood where the population is the same mix as the overall racial makeup of the overall community. 40% white, 30 Percent Black, and about 30% hispanic. No major problems dealing with my neighbors at all. However try going down into some communities and its indeed a problem if your not of the same skin color.




That's too simple for me. The racism of today is small compared to what it used to be. I think you know what I mean when you speak of impact, that is what really matters. There's no law against being racist, just on acting on it.


So are you agree that racism is racism.



I'm not condoning reverse racism. I think there is a double standard: whites are being held to a higher standard. That is only fitting for a majority, especially given our history.


Care to come live where I do? Being White is not the majority some would like you to believe. What does history have to do with racial laws of today. Am I do be punished for the errors of my ancestors?



BTW the term "reverse racism" makes no sense at all. Before you said that about "blacks being racist against whites" I assumed you meant whites being racist against whites for fear of being seen as racist against blacks which is what the term would imply, some kind of reverse. Why don't you just say "Racism" since all racism is racism.

To prove a point - and that point is exactly that all racism is racism. It was in response to your earlier comment of Reverse racism is an insignificant problem compared to real racism.




The fact is people will very eagerly degrade someone if they are given the ok by someone in authority. As in the "brown eyes, blue eyes" experiment. This is why "n--" is taboo while "whitey" is not. I could care less if someone calls me "whitey". There is no history behind it and to call double standard is petty.

Try being called Honkie, gringo, white trash, trailer park trash, redneck etc. its all racist comments depending on who states it. If your going to have one standard then all such terms are indeed racists - regards of who it is direct at and by whom states them. If N----- is taboo - then the use of such terms to describe other races should also be taboo.



It strikes me as odd that there have been several threads with people complaining about the double standards of stand up comedians and none on the KKK. Priorities out of whack. I just can't see affirmitive action and "we can't insult them" as the terrible injustices they are being held up as.

I don't consider them injustices at all - I consider such things as a just another form of racism.

[bmolsson]

One thing that always amaze me.... White people in Europe spends tons of money to get a brown tan.... Brown people here in Indonesia spends tons of money to get their skin white..... Never understood this color thingy... Neither the racial thingy either...

Sorry, this was a bit OT...

[Roark]

I'm with Sasaki. Although I don't condone it, reverse racism isn't anywhere near as bad a problem.

Middle class white boys being marginalised... :laugh4: I'm dying...

[Byzantine Prince]

One thing that always amaze me.... White people in Europe spends tons of money to get a brown tan.... Brown people here in Indonesia spends tons of money to get their skin white..... Never understood this color thingy... Neither the racial thingy either...
How do they try to be white? Are you suggesting they have surgery to look white?

[bmolsson]

How do they try to be white? Are you suggesting they have surgery to look white?

There are surgery, magic potions, cremes etc etc. Some worse than others.... Some looks really weird when they come white like zombies....

[Crazed Rabbit]

Some looks really weird when they come white like zombies....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38289000/jpg/_38289931_jackson150.jpg

Like this?

It's kind of weird; people always want to be what they are not.

Crazed Rabbit

[Divinus Arma]

Hell YES there is a racial double standard!!!

It is socially acceptable to claim black pride or brown (latino) pride. But tell someone white pride and you're a bigot.

Here is the most obvious example of an INSTITIONALIZED double standard: it is called AFFIRMATIVE ACTION.

It is the most discrimanatory program ever created. Favoring someone based on the color of their skin?!?!!!! :furious3:

I'm done with this post. I am seriously pissed off just thinking about it.

[Redleg]

I'm with Sasaki. Although I don't condone it, reverse racism isn't anywhere near as bad a problem.

Middle class white boys being marginalised... :laugh4: I'm dying...

However just by saying this you are condoning racism. The failure of Affirmative Action is just this attitude.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Colleges give preferance to legacies, veterans, point guards and cellists so why not race?

The arguments for affirmitive action are:

1) A more diverse campus provides better education. This is why they give preferance to some students so they have people from all over the country if possible.

2) Standardized tests are biased against blacks. From my own observation this seems to be true. People who were smart in class didn't do as well as it seemed they should on the SAT.




Redleg, I'm not condoning any kind of racism, I just don't agree with spending time on this issue when there are so many bigger ones.



But then I'm already in a college so what do I care ~:)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Veterans and whatnot have all contributed to society, getting a boost for college is a form of payback. What has someone contributed to society simply by being black, or mexican?

By whatnot do you mean legacies, athletes and musicians?







As someone who never took the SAT, and is still working his way through Community College (to attend a proper college when I'm done here, paid for by yours truly, working 2 jobs), I fail to see that as an issue.

As someone who took the PLAN, the ACT, the PSAT, the PSAT/NMSQT, the SAT, the SAT again, 9 AP tests and 3 SAT II tests I do see it as an issue. Most colleges will not accept your application if you have not taken these tests. Some even have cutoffs.

Working 2 jobs while in college would suck majorly, kudos to you.

[Redleg]

I plan on transferring into U of O, after finishing up 2 years Community College. I can't exactly get into harvard, but I can still get a higher education.

Absolutely nothing wrong with getting an education in the way you are doing it - in fact your education will possibly have more meaning to future employeer's because you did it on your own while working - it actually shows more motivation for success - then someone who gets a full ride scholarship to any school other then one of the Ivy Leaque schools.


I wish you success in your endeavor - its much the same way I did it - however I was lucky my community college was a four year college

[Del Arroyo]

Wow you're a fricking genius someone should give you a Nobel for keen insight and exemplary investigatory research...

[Azi Tohak]

Wow you're a fricking genius someone should give you a Nobel for keen insight and exemplary investigatory research...

Anyone here know who 'you' is? I'm curious now...



Colleges give preferance to legacies, veterans, point guards and cellists so why not race?

The arguments for affirmitive action are:

1) A more diverse campus provides better education. This is why they give preferance to some students so they have people from all over the country if possible.

2) Standardized tests are biased against blacks. From my own observation this seems to be true. People who were smart in class didn't do as well as it seemed they should on the SAT.

Redleg, I'm not condoning any kind of racism, I just don't agree with spending time on this issue when there are so many bigger ones.

But then I'm already in a college so what do I care ~:)


How exactly does 1 work? Let me see... If I have a black person in my class, and he asks questions of the teacher to clarify a point, he gets credit for helping to provide a better education? I ask a question and I'm just dumb whitey? But I will agree that I like meeting people from other areas. KSU is a huge Ag and cereal science school and I have met people from all over (including other countries) because of that. But why should it matter if one person is purple and the other one is green?

And maybe I throw the bull**** flag on #2? Some people just do not do well on tests. A friend of mine in high school, brilliant girl, wanted to go to an Ivy league school. Got a 1200 on the SAT. Yeah, I know that is pretty good, but she did not get in. Guess what color she was? (And I'll give you a hint, I live in Kansas.) I don't care what color they are if you are just a lousy test taker, you do poorly.

My mom worked for ACT (yes, the company that makes the ACT) and she helped out with the portion of the question development process the involves determining if questions are biased. The group was: 1 white female, 1 black male and female, 1 asian male and female, 1 latino male, 1 'Indian' female. Notice anything missing? Those damned tests ask the same questions of everyone. If you are just stupid or poorly educated, you are going to do poorly. But the tests must be examined to make sure they are not biased against anyone. Except white males don't get a voice.

Yes, I agree there are bigger concerns. But why is it that I hear about racism on the news?

Azi