let´s bring up every petty land claim

[Ronin]

i was inspired by the canadian/Denmark thread....

so i tough i´d bring up a grave territorial injustice that must be solved now! ~D


Olivença - Portugal vs. Spain....the grudgematch (http://www.answers.com/topic/olivenza)


it is time....war now!!!...they have our territory...and they might have wmd´s and whatnot...


chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarge!!! :charge:


~D

[Proletariat]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4347851.stm


Two South Korean demonstrators have each cut off a finger in protest against Japan's claim to a disputed cluster of islands.

Where are the fingers, Canada and Denmark? Show us you mean buisness!

[KingOfTheIsles]

I say we here in the US should demand all of Europe as our protectorate, since we are responsible for it's continued existance as a whole bunch of democratic nations.

Beat that!

Isn't that essentially the case anyway? ~:confused:

[Byzantine Prince]

I say we here in the US should demand all of Europe as our protectorate, since we are responsible for it's continued existance as a whole bunch of democratic nations.

Beat that!
What do you mean? How did the US do anything in Europe besides give us some money after WWII. Oh if you are refering to that little stroll you had late into the war, not thanks to you, you only did that because Japan attacked you.

How about you all give greece ultimate authority since you pretty much owe democracy(and pretty much culture) to us. :smartass:

Also we would apreciate if the US would give Canada Alaska, since it feels so weird not having completed the northern part of America. It's always an eyesore to look at Canada without Alaska.

[The Black Ship]

Nah, we'll just take Yukon, BC and Alberta off your hands. You guys don't want them anyways...they can't speak French. Everyone knows if you can't speak French you can't rule Canada ~;)

[Kaiser of Arabia]

How about you all give greece ultimate authority since you pretty much owe democracy(and pretty much culture) to us. :smartass:
Incorrect, considering technically speaking there is no democracy on Earth today. A democracy consitutes citizens voting directly on an issue with no elected offices, etc. to make the decisions for them. The system used by Governments today is the Republic, of which the first was ancient Rome (although Plato did write of a Republic in his famous work, The Republic).


What do you mean? How did the US do anything in Europe besides give us some money after WWII. Oh if you are refering to that little stroll you had late into the war, not thanks to you, you only did that because Japan attacked you.

May I note that if you paid us back the money you owed us from the Aftermath of World War Two, the United States could pay off it's national debt around 3 times I beleive.


I say we here in the US should demand all of Europe as our protectorate, since we are responsible for it's continued existance as a whole bunch of democratic nations.

Protectorate? Let's just take it as Colonies and grant it the same rights they gave us...Tax the hell out of them, etc.

[Byzantine Prince]

Incorrect, considering technically speaking there is no democracy on Earth today. A democracy consitutes citizens voting directly on an issue with no elected offices, etc. to make the decisions for them. The system used by Governments today is the Republic, of which the first was ancient Rome (although Plato did write of a Republic in his famous work, The Republic).
Rome = Shepherds without us. We created western culture, they only started where we left off, and didn't really go much further IMO.



Protectorate? Let's just take it as Colonies and grant it the same rights they gave us...Tax the hell out of them, etc.
I'de like to see you take the Balkans. We are about 10 times more violent then Iraqis when provoked especially at that level(colonization).

[Proletariat]

Rome = Shepherds without us. We created western culture, they only started where we left off, and didn't really go much further IMO.


Are you kidding? Saying the Founding Fathers didn't go much further than the Greeks is like awarding the person who invented Pong with the copyrights to M:TW.

[Redleg]

I'de like to see you take the Balkans. We are about 10 times more violent then Iraqis when provoked especially at that level(colonization).

Naw we can just do Hilter did - point the people of the Balkans at each other and just let you fight among yourselves - or do what Tito did - either one will work.

Just get the balkins fighting among themselves again - just look at Bosnia and Kosovo for that example.

[Al Khalifah]

I say we here in the US should demand all of Europe as our protectorate, since we are responsible for it's continued existance as a whole bunch of democratic nations.
In that case Europe could demand America, since democracy and indsutrialisation wouldn't have been exported to America without Europe.

But this argument has been had 100 times before.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Rome = Shepherds without us. We created western culture, they only started where we left off, and didn't really go much further IMO.



I'de like to see you take the Balkans. We are about 10 times more violent then Iraqis when provoked especially at that level(colonization).
1. Rome owns Greece. Besides, Celtic and Germanic era culture was way better than Grecian.
2. We'd have to step up bombing then, carpet bomb the major cities, firebomb the towns, etc, but we'd win.

[thrashaholic]

Wow. Are you trying to say you could have won World War II without the US. Laughable. The Soviets, without a doubt, could have rolled through Germany without US military intervention (although they could not have done it without Lend-Lease equipment from the US), but that wouldn't exactly leave a democratic Europe now would it.

Who else could possible do it then? The UK? The UK who would have been defeated in 1940-1941 if not for US supplies being sent by the millions of tons?

Nah, you guys should still be thanking us. :bow:


What, say thankyou for supplying weaponry to both sides in the First Great Unpleasantness (WW1) thus prolonging the war and eventually causing the Second Great Unpleasantness (WW2)? Say thankyou for not having the gumption to actually get involved in either until something actually happenned to you (in fact Hitler declared war on the US, so you can't even claim the moral high ground of 'saving Europe' there, and the numbers of troops you sent in the closing stages of WW1 were so pitiful as to be useless, the Entente had won it before you lot even arrived).

If the US had done something at the beginning of WW1, rather than just get rich from the slaughter, the Soviets probably wouldn't have even come to power in Russia since they only turned bolshy half way through. The Great war was a huge catylyst for the communist revolution.

I think it's a touch rich claiming to be protectors of Europe when the US's actions caused many of the problems they claim to be protecting us from.

Nevermind though, what's done is done, and I don't particularly want to derail the topic.

[Al Khalifah]

This thread is going nowhere.

[CBR]

And my dad can beat your dad!! This is the Backroom not a kindergarten.


CBR

[Gawain of Orkeny]

What, say thankyou for supplying weaponry to both sides in the First Great Unpleasantness (WW1) thus prolonging the war and eventually causing the Second Great Unpleasantness (WW2)?

Maybe you could give us a list of US weapons used by Germany in this war. I never heard of this.

Your country however did supply both sides in our Civil War in which more Americans were killed than in any other war in our history. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

[Ser Clegane]

Did we change the topic somehow?

I do not quite recall that this is a "Who contributed most to the Allied victory in WWII" thread.

I think we had enough threads that turned into a discussion on that topic.

Bottomline - three options:
a) stay on topic
b) start a new thread if you want to discuss an other topic
c) this thread gets closed

And now - back on topic :bow:

[Ja'chyra]

And my dad can beat your dad!! This is the Backroom not a kindergarten.


CBR

Good call, seems to be a lot of this about, :no:

[Don Corleone]

Did we change the topic somehow?

Blah...blah...blah...

And now - back on topic :bow:

Just kidding. But... back on topic..... in Michigan, that big hunk of land across the Great Lakes that wraps over from Wisconsin is called the Upper Peninsula (or the UP for short). There's not a lot out there except a crapload of wilderness and marsh and mosquitos....

Ohio & Michigan, back when they were both territories, fought a border war. Michigan lost and was forced to TAKE the UP (first time somebody was forced to accept land as punishment for losing a border war, AFAIK).

[The Black Ship]

That's not how they taught it in my Early Michigan History class Don...we won and made them keep Toledo ~;)

[Lazul]

in Sweden there are som nutcases that wants Skåne (southern most province) to belong to Denmark or became free of both nations.

pfft, good luck!! haha *laughes in the face of the skåne-patriots*

[Al Khalifah]

Christianaia ! Full independance from Denmark.

[Lazul]

Christianaia ! Full independance from Denmark.

Kali, you danish?

anyway, atleast let Christiania remain as it is.... a ultra-drug-liberal paradise ~D

[CBR]

in Sweden there are som nutcases that wants Skåne (southern most province) to belong to Denmark or became free of both nations.

pfft, good luck!! haha *laughes in the face of the skåne-patriots*

And with that horrible and incomprehensible Skåne dialect we dont want it back anymore ~D


CBR

[Ironside]

in Sweden there are som nutcases that wants Skåne (southern most province) to belong to Denmark or became free of both nations.

pfft, good luck!! haha *laughes in the face of the skåne-patriots*

You missed the Republic of Jämtland ~;)

[Don Corleone]

Would this be the appropriate place to inform all of you that in fact, I hold the rightful deed to the Island of Manhatten and I want it returned to me?

You may all begin addressing me as "Your supreme benevolence". Suck up to me properly and I might grant you a fief. The Duke (or Duchess, Prol) of Greenwich Village title is still wide open. We also have a Sheriff of Battery Park slot opening soon, but that will require some cash deposited to my Swiss bank account...

[Ja'chyra]

Hmm, Manhattan, I thought that was a drink ~:confused: ~;)

[BDC]

Bah, Amercia should be thanking us. Without us you'd all be speaking French!

[Don Corleone]

Actually, BDC, without your support for the first 150 years, we'd be speaking Iriquois, if we were speaking anything at all.

[Lazul]

You missed the Republic of Jämtland ~;)

oh, thats even more silly! ~:cheers:

[Divinus Arma]

I say we here in the US should demand all of Europe as our protectorate, since we are responsible for it's continued existance as a whole bunch of democratic nations.

Beat that!

They already are.

*evil laugh*

[Divinus Arma]

How about you all give greece ultimate authority since you pretty much owe democracy(and pretty much culture) to us.

Now there is the statement of the day. Athens lost to Sparta in the Peloponnesian War. In fact, the direct democracy of Athens was partly what led to its downfall. The masses could be swayed by charismatic leaders to do foolish things. I am not saying I agree with autocracy, I am just pointing out that Athens' doctrine of Democratic Imperialism was ultimately a failure. So there.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Bah, Amercia should be thanking us. Without us you'd all be speaking French!

? ~:confused: Thats a new one.

[Louis VI the Fat]

You would, Gawain, if it weren't for the British.

From the mouth of the St. Lawrence down to New Orleans the British and French contested each other over dominance over North-America. For a time span as long as the US has existed, more than two centuries, French was the most widely spoken European language in North America. The British are better at multiplying themselves than us, and gained the upper hand.

And even after Britain lost it's main colonies to the newly formed independent USA, it was still Napoleons need for money to fight the British in Europe that forced him to sell the Louisiana Territory, all the land extending from the Mississippi River westwards to the Rockies to the US in 1803. ~:mecry:

[Ronin]

sorry guys....can you help me out?

i lost this thread i started...it had to do with territorial disputes....it started with a tone that i hoped that would be funny at the time that i wrote it....

anyone seen it? anyone?

if someone finds it somewere please contact me....i was growing atached to the little thing...

[CBR]

if someone finds it somewere please contact me....i was growing atached to the little thing...

Sure I know where it is. Its in the center of the world with the four worldcorners called EU, USA, WW2 and drivel.


CBR

[Gawain of Orkeny]

You would, Gawain, if it weren't for the British.

From the mouth of the St. Lawrence down to New Orleans the British and French contested each other over dominance over North-America. For a time span as long as the US has existed, more than two centuries, French was the most widely spoken European language in North America. The British are better at multiplying themselves than us, and gained the upper hand.

And even after Britain lost it's main colonies to the newly formed independent USA, it was still Napoleons need for money to fight the British in Europe that forced him to sell the Louisiana Territory, all the land extending from the Mississippi River westwards to the Rockies to the US in 1803.

Thats a pretty bold assertion. Didnt you leave out some players here like the Spanish and the Indians?

[Lazul]

I might be wrong but, most of the fighting indian tribes in the Franco-British war in North America was mostly friendly towards the French, as they treated them better.
Spanish? they had little or nothing to say in the north americas and spain was in decline more or less since the end of the 16th century.
The indian tribes not fighting on either the French or British side had nothing to say really, lacking numbrs, organisation and inter-tribal leadership.

please correct me if im wrong tho. :bow:

[Don Corleone]

I forget the exact details, but there's a small island off the coast of Maine that declares it's sovereignty every 10 or 15 years, until the state of Maine discontinues ferry service, then they knuckle under.... until the next time....

[Louis VI the Fat]

~:confused:

Look, far from intending to post petty nationalist drivel, I was merely trying to clarify BDC's comment about North America speaking French if it wasn't for the British winning the struggle for America.

It's pretty basic stuff about the history of European colonisation of the North-American continent. At least Lazul and the Library of Congress (http://international.loc.gov/intldl/fiahtml/fiatheme.html#track1) seem to think so. (Fantastic site, btw! In English and French).

At the risk of it being mistaken for boasting and bragging, I'll post this map, because a quick glance will show what I'm referring to:


http://international.loc.gov/intldl/fiahtml/images/Treaty1763_1_en.jpg

[Louis VI the Fat]

Spot on, Gc. ~;)


Back on topic.

I suddenly remember that the French Antarctican Territory is disputed by, er, both China and the US.

From our cold dead hands, lads... :knight:

[Don Corleone]

I thought there was a treaty drawn up at the UN that Antartica doesn't belong to anybody and nations cannot make sovereignty claims down there...

Besides, everyone knows thats where the aliens keep their secret base! Don't you watch X-files?

[Divinus Arma]

The British are better at multiplying themselves than us, and gained the upper hand.



By this logic:

Ultimately North America will be ruled by Mexicans.
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[mystic brew]

not sure if this is a land claim as such, but off the british coast there's a republic called sealand that seceded from britain, but who britain refuses to acknowledge.

They have their own passport and everything... all for a 30m cube of concrete.


Sealand- In the 1960s, one of Great Britain's more productive cottage industries was pirate radio. The painfully bland BBC and the painfully bland government of Harold Wilson took umbrage, and soon the pirate transmitters were forced underground. After one pirate station began transmitting from a ship outside the three-mile limit of the UK's waters, Roy Bates and Ronan O'Rohilly, both owners of pirate radio stations, got to thinking.

The North Sea at this time was littered with Second World War-vintage radar platforms. In 1966, Bates and O'Rohilly occupied one and called it Sealand. They began hatching moneymaking schemes ranging from not just a pirate radio station, but also a gambling resort and a corporate tax haven. As the freshly-minted nation's prospects rose, so did the tension between the diumvirs of the baseball-diamond sized empire. Bates seized the tower. In June of 1967, O'Rohilly launched an offensive, which Bates and his men repulsed with guns, Molotov cocktails, and a surplus flamethrower. Upon hearing that the Royal Marines were preparing to seize the platform, Bates declared Sealand's independence and himself Prince Roy on September 2. When a Royal Navy ship demanded that Bates abandon the platform, the Prince opened fire. On a jaunt back to the old country, Bates was arrested and brought before a British court on a number of charges related to the incident. The case was dismissed in October of 1968; the court agreed that Prince Roy's Sealand was outside of British jurisdiction.

Sealand stayed out of the news until a German businessman toured Sealand a few years later. During negotiations, the German’s hired Dutch goons kidnapped the crown prince and set him back ashore. Prince Roy rapidly got together an army, hired a helicopter, and retook the tower. Since the German had accepted Sealand citizenship, Bates arrested him for treason. Over the next seven weeks, the German government repeatedly appealed to the British Foreign Office, which insisted that it had no jurisdiction. Further vindicated, Bates eventually released the German without payment of his 75,000 Deutschmark fine.

The next uproar took place during the Falkland Islands War of 1982. Argentina's initial success rapidly eroded, and the Argentines conceived of a desperate plan. They contacted Bates and asked to lease Sealand as a missile base, hoping to destroy British morale. Bates swallowed down his mercenary impulses and declined. In a completely unrelated matter, Britain extended its territorial waters to the 20 kilometer limit later that year, soon after dynamiting another tower near Sealand. Prince Roy refused to give up the ship, though. In 1999, he entered into negotiations with HavenCo to lease the entire nation. HavenCo (naturally) now plans to turn Sealand into an offshore data haven. Since the EU has already extended Sealand a certain degree of de facto recognition, it remains to be seen how these plans will develop.

http://www.buckyogi.com/footnotes/nats.htm

[Ironside]

I thought there was a treaty drawn up at the UN that Antartica doesn't belong to anybody and nations cannot make sovereignty claims down there...


Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctica)


Several nations, particularly those close to the continent, made territorial claims in the 20th century. These claims have little practical relevance due to the Antarctic Treaty, which came into effect in 1961, but continue to be observed by cartographers.

It's a map there to.

[Productivity]

not sure if this is a land claim as such, but off the british coast there's a republic called sealand that seceded from britain, but who britain refuses to acknowledge.

They have their own passport and everything... all for a 30m cube of concrete.

Yess we have something similar, the Hutt River Province (http://www.huttriver.net/). They declared war on Australia once.

Idiots.

[Husar]

I have a nice landclaim, just look at the maps:

Germany 1914 (http://www.ieg-maps.uni-mainz.de/gif/d914_a3.htm)

Germany 2003 (http://www.ieg-maps.uni-mainz.de/gif/p2003d_a3.htm)

~;)

No need for those little territories though, I just want the land. ~D