indo european homeland

[artavazd]

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[Gregoshi]

Help us out here artavazd. What exactly do you wish to discuss about the Indo-European homeland?

[Aenlic]

That article was written in 1990, and might be out of date now. Recent genetic research, tracing mitochondrial DNA, places Indo-European origins farther north in Central Asia, somewhere from eastern Kazakstan to the Ukraine.

One of the problems with using Grimm's hypothesis is that it tends to become less reliable earlier in history, when many strong and lasting cultures had no written language. So the deduction process becomes skewed toward those areas with the oldest written languages, as in the above article. Those cultures without a written language don't leave as solid a trace of their language.

A more likely scenario is that a culture which is highly mobile, more populous and spread out over a much larger area resulted in the spread of the Indo-European language. Thus the people who roamed the southern steppes, and formed settlements on the north coast of the Black Sea become a prime candidate. They were the ancestors of the people who became the Thracians and the Scythians in the south and central areas, the proto-Germanic peoples in the north, the proto-Celts in the west and the proto-Turkics in the east.

[artavazd]

well according to the article much of the proto-indoeuropean words have to do with a mountainus landscape the steppes are flat. I put that articel in just as a theory of the indoeuropean homland. and in the article it gives reasons on whyt he steppes dont hold because of some words we know from proto-ie that illustrates a mountainus landscape

[Kagemusha]

The three most popular suggestions among scholars,for Indo European homeland are:The central European homeland, located at Southern Germany and Austria.This was first Central European culture based on farming,dates in 4500-3900 years BC.
Second most popular area is the land north to Black Sea and Caspian Sea.The so called Kurgan culture.It dates back in 3600-2700 BC.This culture was much based on nomadism,on the use of horses and wagons as means of transportation.
The third most popular place for Indo European homeland is the Eastern part of Balkan here was the first European culture that started using metal (copper) around 3500 BC. :bow:

[Aenlic]

That's not entirely correct, Kagemusha. If you look in the other thread about Thracian gold, then you'll find that recent finds (over the last 20 years) in Bulgaria, particularly at Varna on the Black Sea coast, have massive stashes of worked gold. These finds are dated at 4500-4000 BCE. This predates the Kurgan culture by almost 1000 years, and your cite of a Balkan culture using worked copper in 3500 BCE.

If I were to place my bet it would be on whatever culture flourished in the Black Sea valley when it was just a river valley, before the flood from the Bosporus in about 7500 BCE. That area would have been far more fertile and hospitable than the so-called fertile crescent in Mesopotamia. That culture would have been dispersed in all directions by the massive and relatively fast flood which formed the Black Sea. South into the Anatolian Highlands (and the Armenian area suggested in the original post), northeast into the southern steppes, and west and northwest into the Balkans. Along with cultures which have no written history, archaeology has a difficult time considering cultures which have been inundated. So they remain largely ignored since they are nearly impossible to research, like the Black Sea Valley or the Gulf of Khambhat.

[Kagemusha]

I think that what my source:Archealogist and linguist J.P Mallory ment about metal use (copper) at Balkan culture,was that it was used for tools.As we all know Gold is very easy material to handle.You dont even need metal tools to handle it.
But because new discoveries pop out all the time,books tend to have old information already when they ar bublished.
Its intresting that more and more evidence pops out that proves human cultures older and older all the time. :bow:

[Aenlic]

It is indeed interesting. The amazing amount of information to come out just in the last 20 years, worldwide, in archaeology has definitely expanded out knowledge back in time. Bob Ballard's underwater explorations of the Black Sea and settlements along what were the old river banks prior to 7500 BCE, is shedding a lot of light on things.

[Kagemusha]

Yes, and i think there is still lot more to come.Its a shame that area of Iraq cant be properly studied.Because i think there is much more to find out of the Sumerian and pre-Sumerian culture. :bow:

[Incongruous]

Whoop! Whoop! damn strait, the Sumerians, "Go the Turanian peoples".
Anyway, there was a thread like this on the RTR forums, they might have come to a conclusion, I will try and find it.