Nixon vs. Clinton

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Nixon vs. Clinton
Nixon: Watergate. Clinton: Water Bed.
Nixon: His biggest fear the Cold War. Clinton: His biggest fear a Cold Sore.
Nixon: Carpet bombing. Clinton: Carpet burning.
Nixon: His Vice President was a Greek. Clinton: His Vice President is a geek.
Nixon: Couldn't stop Kissinger. Clinton: Couldn't stop kissing her.
Nixon: Couldn't explain the 18-minute gap in the Watergate tape. Clinton: Couldn't explain the 36-DD bra in his brief case.
Nixon: His nickname was Tricky Dick. Clinton: No difference.
Nixon: Ex-President. Clinton: Sex-President.
Nixon: Known for campaign slogan Nixon's The One. Clinton: Known for women pointing at him and say He's the one.
Nixon: Famous for his widow's peak. Clinton: Famous for bringing widows to their peak.
Nixon: Well acquainted with G. Gordon Giddy. Clinton: Well acquainted with G Spot.
Nixon: Took on Ho Chi Minh. Clinton: Took on Ho.
Nixon: Talked about achieving peace with honor. Clinton: Talked of getting a piece while on her.

[edyzmedieval]

:laugh:

Where'd you get this?!

[Radier]

You made that youselfe? It´s good ~:)

[xemitg]

Very clever

[drone]

Nixon: His nickname was Tricky Dick. Clinton: No difference. Clinton's nickname was "Slick Willy", which is still appropriate for this comparison. ~D

[Gawain of Orkeny]

For a moment, I thought you were going to try and say Clinton was comparable to Nixon.

Never. Bad as he was Nixon was far superior to Clinton. Lets see

Nixon
He ended the war in Vietnam
brought home the POW’s
ended the war in the Mideast
opened relations with China
started the first nuclear weapons reduction treaty
saved Eretz Israel’s life
started the Environmental Protection Administration.

Compare that to Clintons accomplishments. I cant thnik of any that he can in reality take credit for. Balancing the budget was because the republican congress forced him to . The economy isnt controlled by the president and besides was decling in his second term. He failed at camp David. He sold military secrets to China

The big diffrence I see between Tricky Dick and Slick Willy is that Nixon went down defending. wrongly I might add, those who served him while Clinton threw them to the wolves so he could escape.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

The total BS that Clinton was not responsible for the upturn in economy never ceases to amaze me.

It seems your easily amazed then. The econmy trails the administration. Clinton inherited the Reagan - Bush economy. He raised taxes and in his second term his polocies statred to kick in and the economy statred to tumble. Bush inherited this and lowered taxes. In his second term his policies started to kick in and the econmoy recovered. Its pretty simple.


Why do the Republicans persist with that garbage? Is it to protect

Well not being a republican I cant speak for them. I guess all I can say is I go by the facts.



Is it to protect Bush's absolute destruction of our economy?

You think our economy is worse now than in 2000? You do need help.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

It's worse than it was in, say, '98.

Is it? And again I point out that was during his first term. He was ridding the market bubble.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Nixon: Couldn't stop Kissinger. Clinton: Couldn't stop kissing her.

That's great ~:)

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Market Bubble, Market Schmubble.

Oh yeah just write off the fact that it was a false economy.



What about the deficit?

We always run a defict during wars. Weve had much worse in the past. Ill give you I dont care much for Bush's spending programs. Might as well have a democrat in there are far as thats concerened. In fact we would probably be better off as then at least the republican congress wouldnt pass his bills. The economy though is going like gangbusters.


What about jobs?

The unemployment rate is lower than it was under Clinton. In fact it cant go much lower or we will have to start sending all these illega; immigrants back home. I dont understand how with an unemployment rate of only 5%, pretty much the lowest of any major industrialized nation, we need these people to work here if so many americans are looking for work and cant find it. The facts are there are more jobs out there than ever and it seems some claim more than we can handle.


and Oregon's minimum wage is comparativley high.

That explains your problem.

[Don Corleone]

Market Bubble, Market Schmubble. What about the deficit? What about jobs? Maybe i'm just totally delusional, but it's damned hard to get a job around here. Housing costs are still ludicrous; Minimum wage won't pay for renting even the cheapest of houses in this city. It's not exactly Hollywood, either, and Oregon's minimum wage is comparativley high.

Housing costs are a function of local taxation. If you're finding it hard to pay rent or your mortgage, tell your local commissioners to quit taxing you or your landlord to death so that they can attend conventions in Hawaii.

Unlike most of my conservative brethren, I don't think Clinton was all that bad as a politician (as a man, I find him utterly dishonorable and contemptable). But this insane Democratic fantasy that Clinton was up late, working hard, and poof the economy took off, solely because of his efforts show just how ignorant of the US economy most Democrats are.

And if you would turn off the selective memory for a second, you'll remember that Democrats were deeply opposed to all the balanced budget requirements in 1994. One of the Democrats said "In 1964, the Democratic Party declared war on Poverty. And it sickens and disgusts me that here in 1994, the Republicans have declared War on the Poor".

I most certainly do not agree with the exorbitant defecits Bush & the Republican Congress have run up, but you can't blame them for the recession, when by all accounts, it began in the last quarter of Clinton's 2nd term.

The fact is, the Federal Government doesn't have anywhere near the control over the economy and unemployment as they'd like to have you believe.

Last & final crack... how can you be bitching about living in Oregon... isn't it the worker's paradise out there? What's more, do you have an X-box/Game Cube/PSII? Full cable? Can't be doing that bad... ~;)

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Housing costs are a function of local taxation. If you're finding it hard to pay rent or your mortgage, tell your local commissioners to quit taxing you or your landlord to death so that they can attend conventions in Haw

Maybe its slipped past you but under Bush new housing and in fact the whole housing bussiness in general has really boomed. More Americans and higher percentage of them as well now own their own homes.


Unlike most of my conservative brethren, I don't think Clinton was all that bad as a politician

I and most conservatives think he was one of the best politicians ever. You wont get any argument from me on that.

[Don Corleone]

You work 80 hours a week? Holy cow, Oregon really is expensive... I knew California was bad, but I didn't know it was the whole West Coast. Criminy, you need to move to Dixieland. Much, much cheaper down here. That's why I moved here, I wouldn't be able to afford my house if it was in New England, until shortly before retirement.

[Don Corleone]

I and most conservatives think he was one of the best politicians ever. You wont get any argument from me on that.

Okay, fair enough, I don't think he was that bad a statesman. I think his domestic agenda did alright, and without him, there'd still be bombs going off in Northern Ireland (yes, it was George Mitchell that did all the grunt work, but without Clinton investing so much political capital in it, the Good Friday accords never would have happened). Even if he did with a gun to his head, he did sign the welfare reform bills. I'm just saying he doesn't rank up there with a Carter in my book. The one exception to that was his treatment of Al Queda. The blatant, willful negligence was criminal and somebody should bring him up on charges for the numerous times he refused to take Bin Laden into custody.

[Don Corleone]

50-60 hours. One job is fulltime, the other is part time, and the hours fluctuate. My goal is to get a nice stable well-playing gig after college; and if that fails then there is always the Military to take care of you.

The real problem in Oregon, or at least a big one, is the illegal immigrants. It's not like California though; we don't have barrios or ghettos here; except in portland and anyone from LA will tell you those don't count. Oregon has relied alot on government nanny money, and now that Bush is taking that money away, and giving it to billionaires who really don't need it, our economy is taking a hit.

Free Market is better than Socialism, by all means, but as shown by the Emancipation of the slaves after the Civil War, if you do too much too fast people suffer.

You have my undying sympathy on the price of labor being artificially held low in the marketplace by the Democrats & the Republicans by allowing so many illegal immigrants in. At the end of the day, we don't give a rat's ass what Vicente Fox has to say, it's all about driving the price of labor down to artificially low levels. This bullshit of 'they do the jobs Americans just won't do' is crap. Americans 'just won't do them' at the artificially low wage that's being offered.

That being said, you're right that the federal government isn't doling out money to the states the way it used to, but that actually started in 1998 and has been ongoing ever since. And Bush isn't 'giving' money to billioniares who don't need it, he's not taking it from them in the first place. Or are you taking the Idaho/Jag approach that your taxes are really 100% and anything less than that is a gift from the government ?? ~D

[PanzerJaeger]

Is it to protect Bush's absolute destruction of our economy?

What country are you living in? My family business has expanded greatly in the last few years. :dizzy2:

You have to understand the recession, and if you understand that, you understand what went on in 2000-2002, and whats going on now.

[bmolsson]

What country are you living in? My family business has expanded greatly in the last few years. :dizzy2:

You have to understand the recession, and if you understand that, you understand what went on in 2000-2002, and whats going on now.

Oh, you are a tax consultant !!! ~D

[Tribesman]

What country are you living in? My family business has expanded greatly in the last few years.
ah but Panzer , you is one of dem thar damn immigrants takin business oppertunities away from honest to goodness natrul born Americuns :hide:

[Don Corleone]

What country are you living in? My family business has expanded greatly in the last few years.
ah but Panzer , you is one of dem thar damn immigrants takin business oppertunities away from honest to goodness natrul born Americuns :hide:
And CBR chapped my ass for saying that Europeans think Americans are ignorant. Gee, I wonder where I got that....

[Don Corleone]

Homelessness is not a good measure of economic stability or stratification, as in many (if not most) people are homeless because they lack sufficient stability to keep things going for themselves.

I don't actually know whether we're becoming more stratified or not, as I've seen data indicating both conclusions. I know the distance between the top 5% and the bottom 5% has increased, but if the bottom 5% has more purchasing power than ever before (just the top 5% has even more) then that will make it look like the 'poor are getting poorer', when in fact, no, they're getting richer, just not as quickly as the rich. This second scenario I have no problem with... the people who take the fiscal risks to grow the economy should benefit the most when those risks pay off.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Were getting off topic here. I gave you all a list of Nixons accomplishments. Looking at them you would think he was a democrat. I then asked for a comparable list of Clinton accomplishments. Im still waiting. Also in case any of you have forgotten Monicagate wasnt his only scandal. Far from it.


Chinagate and Other Treason (http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Clinton_Scandals/#Chinagate)

Tainted Prison Blood Scandal
Mena
Whitewater
Expendable Cronies, Witnesses, Bodyguards Fatalities
IRS-Gate
Whitehouse Phone Call Hiding
Elian Gonzalez as Pawn
Sex Scandals

He makes Nixon look like a choir boy.

And last but not least he brought this to the whitehouse

http://home.earthlink.net/~dare2b/hillary.jpg

Heres some more on Slick Willie. A good president my a$$.


THE DOWNSIDE LEGACY ARCHIVES (http://www.alamo-girl.com/)

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Whats the matter did this picture scare you all away. Come on you Kool aid drinkers defend you president. Give me a list of his accomplishments. At least give me 1.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Economy. And quite frankly, that's all that matters.

Ok Ill ask once more give a list of Clintons accomplishments.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Ok does anyone have anything that Clinton accomplished. This economy thing was addressed here long ago. The question was asked what did he do for the economy? What programs of his led to this great economy?

[Gawain of Orkeny]

IIRC, he did something or other for the internet.

Oh thats right his VP invented the internet. How could I forget. ~D

[PanzerJaeger]

I'd look up more, but I'm feelin' lazy. Bottom line is that while he was in office the economy only got better. You just can't explain that away, sorry.

If no one can come up with anything linking Clinton to the economy of the 90s, then it explains itself away. You dont get a cookie for being at the right place at the right time..

[Voigtkampf]

Market Bubble, Market Schmubble.

Undisputable argument. :book:

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Wow what happened to his legacy. For a man many liberals hail as the greatest president in their lifetime it seems none of them can even come up with one great or even good thing he did.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Wow what happened to his legacy. For a man many liberals hail as the greatest president in their lifetime it seems none of them can even come up with one great or even good thing he did.

Well, that picture you posted...

~:eek:

[drone]

You can't really list any meaningful economic moves by Clinton, because he didn't do anything. That just happened to be the correct thing to (not) do. He could have derailed the boom, but instead the country kind of ran itself. I guess his one accomplishment was appointing Alan Greenspan.

[Reverend Joe]

Okay, to begin:
Clinton was too centralist to me, so he's not my favorite (that would be Theodore Roosevelt). However, he did manage to eliminate the deficit and create a sirplus for the first time in almost a century, after which Georgie the Genius promptly blew it, creating the largest deficit in US history.

Nixon, on the other hand, was a secret Facist. He promised to get our trops out of vietnam, and he did- by moving them into Cambodia. He was FORCED out of Vietnam by public opinion; if the populace had not turned against the war, he would have poured more and more troops and money into Vietnam. He also did a lot of backdoor work to promote the conservative cause; it wasn't just Watergate.
Also, his first vice president, Spiro Agnew, was a slimy f**ker who was nabbed on tax fraud.

Of course, I don't expect you to be satisfied, but I am not really up-to-date on the Nixon years enough to really flesh out how awful this guy was. Sorry to leave you hanging.

Edit: almost forgot to list the one person I would love to see as our next president:

http://home.earthlink.net/~dare2b/hillary.jpg

State health care, here we come! ~:cheers:

[Gawain of Orkeny]

However, he did manage to eliminate the deficit and create a sirplus for the first time in almost a century,

Do any of you liberals listen? How did Clinton cause this to happen? Your spouting the same crap as all the rest. The economy was good under him. First off in his second term it wasnt. In his first term he was riding a false market bubble that he didnt create but did all he could to maintain. Again tell what programs of his led to this increase in our economy. Im all ears. Bye the way there was also never any surplus. Just a projected one and he was in no way responsible for that either. Congress was.

I was expecting an impressive list to match that of the crook Nixon from the greatest president ever that you all ballyhooed for years. Come on tell me how wonderful he was again.

[Reverend Joe]

GAAAAAH!!!!!!! :furious3:

NO! NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!!!

I am not talking about the Market- I have no earthly idea how that goddamn quagmire works. I am talking about the FEDERAL BUDGET!!!

THAT is an entirely governmental matter, and it takes a president and his financial advisors to make changes to a budget. Yes, we cannot connect Clinton to an era of market growth. But the federal budget is ENITRELY the domain of THAT president.

You happy now? You made me snap.

Edit: also, Clinton was not that wonderful. I told you, he was much too right-wing for me.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

[QUOTEI am not talking about the Market- I have no earthly idea how that goddamn quagmire works. I am talking about the FEDERAL BUDGET!!!

THAT is an entirely governmental matter, and it takes a president and his financial advisors to make changes to a budget. Yes, we cannot connect Clinton to an era of market growth. But the federal budget is ENITRELY the domain of THAT president.

You happy now? You made me snap.[/QUOTE]

Im afraid your wrong . Try again. The reason a surplus was projrcted was the balanced budget amendment that Clinton vetoed as many times as he could. When he ran out of vetoes the republican congress forced it down his throat kicking and screaming. Now he and the Dems take credit for it since it happened on his watch. Its quite humourous hearing them claim to be the party of fisical responsiblity. Calm down and look at the facts. His policies didnt kick in untill his secong term during which the economy went down not up.

[Reverend Joe]

Wait- what do you mean, projected? There was a solid sirplus at the end of his term, and that is the one that George and the Republicans blew within two years. Anyway, the accepted budget was a compromise; it wasn't the budget the Republicans had wanted origionally.

Or was it?

Damnit, I'm out of my element. I don't know enough about recent history to carry on this argument. Besides, I am arguing for a guy I don't particularly like; it's just that he is better than Nixon.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Wait- what do you mean, projected? There was a solid sirplus at the end of his term, and that is the one that George and the Republicans blew within two years

There was no surplus at the end of his term. It never accumulated. It was projected.


Anyway, the accepted budget was a compromise; it wasn't the budget the Republicans had wanted origionally.

Were not talking the budget but the balanced budget amendment. He said it couldnt be done and vetoed it many times. Hes only allowed so many vetoes.The will of the people shall be done ~D