View Full Version : Will You Buy Barbarian Invasion?
Kor Khan
08-02-2005, 20:20
Now that we've had some screenshots, some FAQ's and some previews on new units, I think lots of people are slowly deciding if they'll get the BI expansion or not. There is already a thread on the subject, but I thought that a poll would be quite interesting. Did Rome disappoint you so much that you won't get the expansion? Will you buy BI if the community reviews are good? Or are expansions simply not your thing?
My personal opinion: I'll wait a bit. I'll play the demo, read some press reviews, look at some videos, then finally (and most importantly) see what the Total War community has to say. If the general opinion of the expansion is good, like it was for VI, I'll almost certainly get it.
I've already posted this poll on TWC, and I'm interested in what the results here will look like. You can see the original thread here (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=29976).
Most people there said they'd buy the expansion, 100% certain. Many others said they'd probably buy it unless the general opinion was very bad.
I'll only buy it if some good mods come out for it and after it's gone below $20. Or I might buy it off Ebay. But there are much better games coming out this fall, that I would rather spend my money on.
At the moment, it doesn't look that great. I could care less about swimming, and night battles were supposed to be in vanilla. The units also don't look that great, and many of them are pretty ahistorical.
tibilicus
08-02-2005, 20:34
Probably. It looks quite good and will be a good way to spend a few hours.
ivoignob
08-02-2005, 20:48
for me it depends on the price. i'd like to buy it but not if it will be more expensive than 25 euro.
After seeing those last screenshots from the BI demo, I want to ask whether you are kidding with this question.
Of course! :charge:
Strike For The South
08-02-2005, 22:13
yes and will enjoy doing it
Dutch_guy
08-02-2005, 22:36
I probably will. ( voted for the second option )
:balloon2:
I definatly will, I'm probably going to pre-order it at the end of the month. I voted for the first option.
Slug For A Butt
08-02-2005, 22:49
I'll certainly be buying it. I'm looking forward to it, and if/when it starts to lose its shine, then its back to whatever mods are about.
Zatoichi
08-02-2005, 23:10
Yep! Looks like it'll be good fun - I'm looking forward to checking out the demo on Thursday too, as it happens.
bodidley
08-03-2005, 00:15
I'll wait for people to start raving, ranting, bitching, or moaning. If it seems to fall under the category of:
Schweet- buy right away
Perdy Good- wait for the price to go down
Meh- stay away
Divinus Arma
08-03-2005, 00:16
This question again? Yes. Of course I will.
RabidGibbon
08-03-2005, 00:20
Is it just me, or the closer we get to release date the less "Im not buying BI" results these polls get?
Maybe the critics have got tired of repeating themselves whilst us Fanboys do what we do best.
I'm definetly getting it. ~:)
bodidley
08-03-2005, 00:26
There have also been significantly fewer votes on this poll than past ones so far. Mayhaps the old polls should have just been revived ~;)
Franconicus
08-03-2005, 07:07
No doubt. Even if it would not have any sepcial features, I would. I am looking for the mass campaigns here in the org. ~:cheers:
I voted probably, though it's more not likely. Something I found interesting is that almost everybody who wrote their opinions registered in 2005 or late 2004. I'm wondering what the opinions of the Total War vets are, those people who played Shogun and Medieval a lot like I did.
I stopped playing Rome: Total War a few weeks before WoW came out so most of my opinions might be outdated by recent patches. Generally, however, I found out that the TBS portion of the game received a very huge upgrade over Medieval and Shogun. I really love the new strategic map.
However, I found the tactical RTS portion to be a huge disappointment. Graphically, it is really good but the gameplay isn't up to par compared to Medieval and Shogun. The AI is really terrible, on its own and compared to earlier TW games. Pathfinding is horrible, and very, very frustrating when sieging cities, especially the larger ones. I also found the units to be grossly imbalanced, both from a gameplay and historical perspective. Cavalry are just way too powerful and phalanx based units (spears and pikes) are really, really crappy, among other balance problems. The battles are too fast and too many units and factions are ahistorical. It seems too much a vanilla clickfest RTS compared to the historical and deliberate tactical games the previews Total War games are.
That said, I recently downloaded the newest RTW patch and am thinking of playing the game again and see if it has improved. The apparent discovery of a charge bug promises to allay many of my balance concerns. I might still buy the expansion but would wait to hear the opinions of the really old Total War vets (those around here during Medieval or Shogun) before making a decision.
King of Atlantis
08-03-2005, 09:06
Maybe the critics have got tired of repeating themselves whilst us Fanboys do what we do best.
well most critics(like me) still want to buy the game we just wish a few things would be different.
Little Legioner
08-03-2005, 09:54
However, I found the tactical RTS portion to be a huge disappointment. Graphically, it is really good but the gameplay isn't up to par compared to Medieval and Shogun. The AI is really terrible, on its own and compared to earlier TW games. Pathfinding is horrible, and very, very frustrating when sieging cities, especially the larger ones. I also found the units to be grossly imbalanced, both from a gameplay and historical perspective. Cavalry are just way too powerful and phalanx based units (spears and pikes) are really, really crappy, among other balance problems. The battles are too fast and too many units and factions are ahistorical. It seems too much a vanilla clickfest RTS compared to the historical and deliberate tactical games the previews Total War games are.
That said, I recently downloaded the newest RTW patch and am thinking of playing the game again and see if it has improved. The apparent discovery of a charge bug promises to allay many of my balance concerns. I might still buy the expansion but would wait to hear the opinions of the really old Total War vets (those around here during Medieval or Shogun) before making a decision.
:bow:
Totally agree to the teeth. Rome was a really disappointment in many cases. I'll read the commnunities rewiev before my final decision. I bought blindly RTW. I didn't read any review but this time i shall not make such as this thing.
Infact, i do not care Schiltrons, Religion, old feature night battles or swimmable units. My eyes will be on gameplay, AI, balance, historic accuracy and the battles! If they shall continue clickfester, unhistoric and narrow structured battle design then i will resign. ~D
I look only historic basement(without pesky monks and unhistoric factions) balanced gameplay (rabbit chase battles) and epic scale battles (narrow fields router units). If they close the STW and MTW design mechanics on those cases i will definetely buy the game without any hesitate.
And please CA priests again? Why are you adding that Age of Empires style units to this game again :embarassed:
http://www.totalwar.org.pl/gallery/bi-demo55.jpg
King Ragnar
08-03-2005, 09:57
Im pre-odering ~:)
Kor Khan
08-03-2005, 10:18
It seems like the results here (so far, at least) are almost the same as the ones at TWC.
I preordered Rome, having played M:TW and having tracked the game for a long time. But I'm not going to make that mistake for any game in future. I'll wait a bit and see how the opinion develops.
If anyone remembers the release of R:TW, it went through several stages:
1. Everyone's extremely excited and nothing bad is said about the game.
2. A few people start bringing up problems that the game has.
3. Overall disappointment
4. Eagerly wait for patch, thinking that it'll be a huge improvement
5. Patch 1.2 released, everyone's happy
6. It turns out the patch wasn't that great after all
7. Overall disappointment
8. Eagerly wait for expansion, thinking that it'll be a huge improvement
9. Prediction: Expansion released, everyone's happy
10. ?
I'm curious as to whether the expansion will really make everything good again, or whether it'll be more like the release of R:TW. Or maybe more like the release of patch 1.2. That's the reason I'll wait until we get into stage 10. I just know everyone'll be excited once BI is released. It's what comes after that that's important.
This I can predict: If you hated the original R:TW in all respects, it's highly unlikely that BI will miraculously improve the game and make it your all-time favorite game. If you liked R:TW, but thought that it needed lots of improvement (like me), it could go either way really. If you loved R:TW, then the expansion will probably give you more of the good stuff.
Swoosh So
08-03-2005, 10:21
I said no definately not, the only way ill ever buy another totalwar game is if i hear stories that the multiplayer element is comparable to that of shogun IE balanced and enjoyable gameplay, ill know soon enough by listening to the "right" people and that the foyer has undergone not only minor changes but MAJOR changes and is now fun and enjoyable to use. Rome totalwar was such a bad multiplayer experience it killed the series for me. Theres a whole host of stuff ill be looking for any movement/control/group bugs? BIG issue in rome, was cav spam really fixed? BIG issue in rome, have the sprites been updated so as not to look terrible when zoomed out? BIG issue in rome. All these things were brought to CA's attention in great detail and length via these forums and forums set up to communicate with CA, So lets wait and see.
Slug For A Butt
08-03-2005, 10:35
I voted probably, though it's more not likely. Something I found interesting is that almost everybody who wrote their opinions registered in 2005 or late 2004. I'm wondering what the opinions of the Total War vets are, those people who played Shogun and Medieval a lot like I did.
Registration date doesn't neccessarily mean recent RTW junky. ~;) It just means that some people only registered here recently. Personally, I spent a long time playing MTW and loved it, got excited about RTW and bought it and still love it. And now I'm excited about BI, will buy it and hope I love it.
I keep meaning to bag a copy of STW because I feel Ive missed out on a part of the TW series that people still talk about fondly. Is it worth my while, or will I be a little disappointed after the eye candy of RTW?
Little Legioner
08-03-2005, 10:36
10. Expected disappointment :embarassed:
I dont have any overrated expectations on BI. They answered my most interested cases on battle mechanics of the game.
They said "this is an expansion not a new game". I'm wondering that do they sure what they say? Coz. 80 new units, new formations, complete factions and their long feature list proves us a different story... Accept or not mates that BI is a nearly a full game but they say no. So, whatever...
When the BI is out many of players will say "hurraaaay super cool units look at that groning priest woow super graphics" except old school TW players :embarassed:
My call to CA with all my fair respect turn back your success old route and give us back it again.
Kor Khan
08-05-2005, 10:53
I keep meaning to bag a copy of STW because I feel Ive missed out on a part of the TW series that people still talk about fondly. Is it worth my while, or will I be a little disappointed after the eye candy of RTW?
I know how you feel. when I first got it, I enjoyed M:TW more than I enjoyed R:TW a year and a half later. But when I start up good ol' Medieval, it doesn't feel quite the same after Rome's great graphics. I can only hope for the next part of the TW series to bring back that old feeling :cry:
I'll defenitly buy BI as soon as it comes out. I was satisfied with VI and have good faith in a well worth it expansion pack for RTW. What I've seen and read so far has pleased me. I'm looking quite forward to BI!
Maybe, I'll wait for the reviews and see what the community has to say.
Funny: ~:)
When saw news that BI demo in mag, refleks was to run out and buy mag. :charge:
(Not available here now) ~D
And imported mag cost almost same as BI. ~:eek:
And not sure I want BI. ~:confused:
haha :dizzy2: :dizzy2: :dizzy2: :help:
edyzmedieval
08-05-2005, 11:47
Definitely!!!!!
I've just pre-ordered it. ~D
The Stranger
08-05-2005, 12:09
I'll only buy it if some good mods come out for it and after it's gone below $20. Or I might buy it off Ebay. But there are much better games coming out this fall, that I would rather spend my money on.
At the moment, it doesn't look that great. I could care less about swimming, and night battles were supposed to be in vanilla. The units also don't look that great, and many of them are pretty ahistorical.
Yeah like CoD2, AoE3 and much more. i'll prolly ask it for christmas or my birthday.
SpencerH
08-05-2005, 12:32
This is definitely a wait and see situation. I want to see what's changed, what's improved, how buggy it is, and what the company attitude is toward fixing the (inevitable) bugs. CIV4 will be out so I will have gaming alternatives.
I voted probably, though it's more not likely. Something I found interesting is that almost everybody who wrote their opinions registered in 2005 or late 2004. I'm wondering what the opinions of the Total War vets are, those people who played Shogun and Medieval a lot like I did.
I stopped playing Rome: Total War a few weeks before WoW came out so most of my opinions might be outdated by recent patches. Generally, however, I found out that the TBS portion of the game received a very huge upgrade over Medieval and Shogun. I really love the new strategic map.
However, I found the tactical RTS portion to be a huge disappointment. Graphically, it is really good but the gameplay isn't up to par compared to Medieval and Shogun. The AI is really terrible, on its own and compared to earlier TW games. Pathfinding is horrible, and very, very frustrating when sieging cities, especially the larger ones. I also found the units to be grossly imbalanced, both from a gameplay and historical perspective. Cavalry are just way too powerful and phalanx based units (spears and pikes) are really, really crappy, among other balance problems. The battles are too fast and too many units and factions are ahistorical. It seems too much a vanilla clickfest RTS compared to the historical and deliberate tactical games the previews Total War games are.
That said, I recently downloaded the newest RTW patch and am thinking of playing the game again and see if it has improved. The apparent discovery of a charge bug promises to allay many of my balance concerns. I might still buy the expansion but would wait to hear the opinions of the really old Total War vets (those around here during Medieval or Shogun) before making a decision.
I've been playing total war game since 2002 and yes, I love RTW and I am going to buy BI.
the only way ill ever buy another totalwar game is if i hear stories that the multiplayer element is comparable to that of shogun
It will never happen. Balancing multiplayer is a massive task with so many unit types and factions. It took four of us 3 months with input from a dozen other players to balance the 14 units in Samurai Wars. Possibly, RTW/BI will move the multiplayer threshold in a direction which will allow at least some of the players who have left to step back over it.
Red Harvest
08-05-2005, 18:09
Registration date doesn't neccessarily mean recent RTW junky. ~;) It just means that some people only registered here recently.
Not at an individual level, but at a group level the corelations are likely to be quite strong. After all, earlier Registrants would be familiar with STW or MTW, and might not have RTW. On the other hand aren't likely to have any early registrants with RTW, but not STW or MTW. Registration date is going to corelate to some degree with the most recently released game in the series.
BI is wait and see. I bought RTW right after release, and I poured a bunch of time into it. I finally gave up on it after 1.2 and haven't touched it since March. I'll wait to see how the new RTW patch does at making the game challenging. And I'll listen to learn if the BI changes make a big difference.
AmbrosiusAurelianus
08-05-2005, 19:46
Even if there are only a few worthwhile extra features most of the major mods will want to incorporate them, so I shall probably end up buying it just to access those. After a while most of the big mods for MTW needed VI, and those for RTW will probably need BI after a point.
I really do not want to pay more money to CA, but unless someone else brings out a game just like RTW we are left hoping that modders can turn it into something approaching the game that we originally wanted. I have gone back to playing MTW until Europa Barbarorum et al are released.
VikingOfThule
08-05-2005, 19:57
Hell yes I'm buying BI. RTW is pretty much my favorite game ever. I can't wait to have an army of monks swim across a river at night with flaming arrows flying at them and sack a village.
Tricky Lady
08-05-2005, 21:42
I'll probably buy it, but I don't think I'll run for BI as I did for RTW. I haven't touched RTW SP since May now, and I don't really miss it (yet?).
So, let's wait and see what you guys think of this game. And I should probably first get myself to playing the vanilla game (or any mod) before I decide to spend the cash on an upgrade.
(PS. I am not regretting the purchase of RTW, as it has given me countless hours of easy entertainment)
Kralizec
08-05-2005, 22:21
I'll buy it when the price drops to about 30 E or something. I hope that CA releases BI without any major bugs and if so I'll be happy, but my expectations are not as good.
VikingOfThule
08-05-2005, 22:58
BI will be $40 well spent. I spent many hours of my leisure time playing RTW and if I did'nt spend it on BI it would just get blown on starbucks and weed.
AmbrosiusAurelianus
08-05-2005, 23:03
if I did'nt spend it on BI it would just get blown on starbucks and weed.
Lol, that'll put things into perspective for many I've no doubt!
Orda Khan
08-05-2005, 23:17
Is it just me, or the closer we get to release date the less "Im not buying BI" results these polls get?
Nothing changes. The same will happen with the next TW game. This site caters for 10% of the people who buy TW games, if that, which makes these polls meaningless
..........Orda
Jochi Khan
08-05-2005, 23:33
Nothing changes. The same will happen with the next TW game. This site caters for 10% of the people who buy TW games, if that, which makes these polls meaningless
..........Orda
Exactly.
I have pre-ordered over a month.
If the truth is known there are a lot more who have as well but are keeping quiet.
Jochi
I'll buy it as soon as I see it...When I spend 100+ hours on a game, it is still a worthwhile entertainment dollar. I have many well made games on the shelf that just never captured my attention the way the TW series has..
Terry
Of course I will buy it. I have been hooked since STW. I was very disappointed with the AI in RTW. I believe that the TW community has voiced this fault without pause and CA will fix this flaw with their expansion. If not, I doubt I will buy another TW game in the future.
triladar
08-07-2005, 18:25
If my RTW is working until then, for sure!!!
Duke of Gelre
08-07-2005, 18:58
I'm gonna buy BI because if enjoyed Rome Total War very much. And for a lot of great mods.
Marquis of Roland
08-07-2005, 23:22
I am going to buy it and any other TW engine game that comes out until they make a better engine.
I don't care how bad they make the AI (and RTW was pretty bad), TW revolutionized video games, you guys gotta admit that. Before that the closest we had to this type of game was probably warcraft, god forbid.
Sometimes, its just like watching a movie..... ~:cheers:
well ive pre-ordered it, and i hate all the anti-CA attitudes and stuff over at rometotalrealism.com , when really, RTW is great!
Mongoose
08-09-2005, 17:39
Probably not. I've bought XPACs before and this one seems no less mediocre and over priced then other XPAC's...for 30 dollars i could just buy a new game.
well the Fall of Rome mod is not far away!
Price isn't really an issue for me. The game that I have waited over two years for and that I thought I was getting when I bought Rome 1.0 is easily worth the total of a mere $100 (game, XP, and strat guide). My concern is that by patch 1.2 I still hadn't gotten that game, and I'm not convinced that BI will give it to me either.
Civ II came out when I was in college, and I nearly failed out until I limited myself to one turn per weeknight. This rule worked very well for me until RTW, where this play style reduces the campaign AI to a drooling imbecile. Not what I expected from the people that made two of the best strategy games I'd ever seen. The word is that this issue has been "improved", which I'm afraid is not necessarily the same as "fixed". I'm waiting until the rumored and badly needed 1.3 patch is released and I can playtest (or more accurately, non-playtest) it myself. If more than one in ten sieges gets lifted for no apparent reason, it'll be back to waiting for patch 1.4.
Bottom line: I own a strategy game that's incapable of strategy. Until that changes, I'm not throwing good money after bad. If it does change, I'll spend whatever is asked; the game has that much potential greatness.
nameless
08-10-2005, 05:21
Sure why not, Rome: total war was made even better with mods such as RTR. When BI comes out it'll happen again but I'm in no rush. I really wanna check out the Eastern Roman Empire.
It´s likely I´ll get it, though probably not the instant it´s released. I´m still kind of new to RTW and like it pretty much.
well i have pre-ordered it!
AntiochusIII
08-11-2005, 01:55
God(s) forbid! How can I deny a chance to lead the now-weak Western Roman Empire towards a new golden age (of tyranny and war-torn regions and bloodied fields and squalor and micromanagement nightmare and rebelling overpopulated cities and new barbarian slaves and so on...but who cares about that?) once more? Certainly I will buy it. But, after a few months of observation, that is. I was in no hurry of buying Rome: Total War before, after all. Perhaps after a few patches are out this time...
By the way, both the Sassanids and the Eastern Romans are going to be a blast. Well...
Please, CA, please remove the damnable priests! These are battlefields, after all, not a place for cowardly preachers to walk around "morale-enhancing!" Imagine. If you are a soldier who are you going to listen to between your awe-inspiring general Aetius and those so-called priests behind the line that you (who are secretly worshipping the old gods, presumably :D) don't even like?
However, I would forgive CA if these priests come out as halberd-weilding fanatics capable of wiping off armies of well-trained lifetime warriors on their own, and not some silly AOE-style priests. ~D
Gaius Julius
08-11-2005, 05:24
Hello, All:
Its been awhile since I last posted in the forum.
I have been keeping an eye on all thats gone on with RTW; bugs, issues, etc.
Myself, I bought RTW; I enjoyed it, yes, it did/does have some issues.
Its great that I can actually play it on an old P3 750 system! ~D
I'll probably buy BI, unless given some reason not to; just as I voted.
Kor Khan
08-11-2005, 07:15
OT: Are you by any chance the Gaius Julius of RTR and PTW fame?
Definately , absolutely , sincerely , honestly ..
If I don't like it then I'll wait for the MODS which surely will come. Many people out there don't thankful enough to CA , but without the game itself there's no chance good mods like SQPR , RTR ect will come out.
Cheers
screwtype
08-11-2005, 15:14
I'm leaning toward not buying it. Mainly because of lack of challenge. There was next to no challenge in RTW and nothing I've read in this thread persuades me that the AI has been sufficiently tweaked to make the game interesting again.
However, I will definitely take an interest in what people on this and other boards have to say (after the inevitable wave of fanboy-ism has died down) and base my decision on that.
bodidley
08-11-2005, 17:58
After playing the demo I've decided that if I ever do get around to buying it, it's going to be when it's in the cheap bin and after some mods have come out. It's nice that some MTW features have been brought back, but the battles are pretty much the thoughtless clickfest I don't want to lay down serious money for. Still interested in what others have to say about it after it comes out though.
I will definately buy it :) its got the Vandals in it :P
Soitainly, Moe!
Woo woo woo woo woo woo! Nyuk nyuk nyuk!
Gaius Julius
08-11-2005, 19:35
OT: Are you by any chance the Gaius Julius of RTR and PTW fame?
No, sorry, I'm not that Gaius Julius. ~:cheers:
Celt Centurion
08-13-2005, 17:21
I don't know when, but will probably buy Barbarian Invasion. I am hoping for the Barbarians to have some upgrades such as "Public health buildings" and real roads.
When I have played as Germans, Gauls, and Britons, I have found technology to be severely limited. Somehow, I still was able to get clear down into Italy to the gates of Rome, and beat them. But still, I was "barbarians" and the items I had acquired taking Rome could not be built in my home provinces. As my towns grew, rioting was really bad, and yet it was pointless to recruit new units from there as it took so long to move them anywhere over muddy roads.
As the Germans, I had taken over all of Italy and Greece, but even with "reduced populations", the larger cities were still rioting, and there was not a thing I could do about it. Perhaps a patch that would be useful during a riot would be to
1. "View settlement on battle map."
2. Scan around the city and find the riot.
3. Send in troops to perform "confrontation management."
4. When all rioters are dead, and their heads mounted on poles surrounding the city walls, the riot is over.
5. That seems a lot more sensible than to repeatedly read of a riot in a settlement, X number of citizens killed. Y number of soldiers killed. And not be able to do anything about it when you have built every possible building, cut taxes to low, fully garrisoned the town, and they are STILL rioting. I tell you, some people would complain if you hung them with a new rope.
NOT being able to do anything about it, I destroyed every building inside the city, raised taxes to the max, and promptly got thrown out on my buttocks. Then, I retrained my troops at the nearest city that wasn't rioting, and came back and took the city from a bunch of peasants, and exterminated the population, repeating the process until I had a "green face." Then start rebuilding.
I hated the waste of resources and lives, but a city that is constantly rioting is not doing anybody any good, except for maybe one's enemies. The biggest drawback to this is income plummets clear down to perdition.
Otherwise, I still enjoy the game quite a bit. I looked for Barbarian Invasion a few nights ago, but it wasn't there yet.
Strength and Honor
Celt Centurion
sunsmountain
08-13-2005, 17:50
I'm undecided. Seems like expansion packs aren't my thing, i haven't got Mongol or Viking Invasion. But i'm really hoping for a challenge in Rome on Very Hard settings, perhaps with some help. Patch 1.2 can sometimes be challenging, but it varies too much.
So, looking for a vastly improved AI, more than 1.2 did over 1.0, and consistency. But this is unlikely, from what i've experienced so far.
well im hoping that BI will be a challenge! unlike Rome.
Afro Thunder
08-14-2005, 03:11
Join the club, buddy.
with the sheild wall bug, BI will never be a challenge!
Zenicetus
08-14-2005, 18:37
I voted "maybe." I'm still fairly new to RTW, and still having fun with it, so it's mainly a question of whether it will add anything significant to the main game engine, like improved battle AI. It will be a while before I'm burned out on playing the different factions in the main RTW game, and looking to play the barbarian invasion era. If they improve the core game engine (and assuming it's retrofitted to the main RTW game), then I'd pick it up right away. Otherwise, if if it's just the new units and new campaign, then I'll hold off until it hits the bargain bins.
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