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Strike For The South
08-06-2005, 18:01
This thread was sort of inspired by the your politics thread
Abortion what do you think about it
IMO Abortion should only be legal if it was a rape or the mothers life is in danger other than that it should be illegal
The Blind King of Bohemia
08-06-2005, 18:10
I think a womens body is her own Business personally. Young girls from council estates that get themselves pregnant at 14 and 15 are naive and frankly stupid but they should have the choice at least.
If a women decides that she will have an abortion( i believe the father should be spoke to first before anything) she should. Those sad individuals who stand outside abortion clinics screaming abuse at the poor women going in ( who already have enough guilt to live with) should not only be ashamed but should be bulldozed over.
Gawain of Orkeny
08-06-2005, 18:17
OMG not again :help:
Productivity
08-06-2005, 18:17
This thread needs to be aborted.
Strike For The South
08-06-2005, 18:30
was there another therad like this :help:
KukriKhan
08-06-2005, 18:41
only about 200. But it's been a month or so, so.....
Keep it civil, folks.
Es Arkajae
08-06-2005, 18:45
was there another therad like this :help:
I believe you have stumbled across what is sometimes known as a forum 'grenade' ~D
Definition: Forum Grenade (http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/grenade.htm)
Sjakihata
08-06-2005, 19:47
OMG not again :help:
Exactly my thought when I saw the thread.
PanzerJaeger
08-06-2005, 20:50
Hell if im going to get into another one of these threads! ~:eek:
"Abortion is advocated only by persons who have themselves been born. "
-The Great Ronald Reagan.
If you don´t want to discuss abortion there is no need to coment that guys. You are not forced to share your opinions. ~;)
I agree fully with Strike. A rape or the mothers life is in danger are the only acceptable reasons to abortion.
If the woman has the right to decide over her body, the baby has it to, and I promise that the baby want to live. Abortion is murder, even if it is a result of incest or rapists it is murder.
Divinus Arma
08-06-2005, 22:14
This thread was sort of inspired by the your politics thread
Abortion what do you think about it
IMO Abortion should only be legal if it was a rape or the mothers life is in danger other than that it should be illegal
I agree. You should have done a poll on this.
I don't know why you are still posting. You should be in boot camp by now! ~;)
Strike For The South
08-06-2005, 22:29
Ha ~:) still some school left :dizzy2:
"Abortion is advocated only by persons who have themselves been born."
Talk about speaking the blooming obvious. The quote is completely meaningless and displays no brains and light on the subject at all.
As for the thread... For the love of my arse, not again... We must have done this a bizillion-squillion times.
My opinion is, will always be and definitively correct in saying that up to 24 weeks a woman can have an abortion however, wherever and with whatever she wants. A woman should not be discouraged from having abortions but actively encouraged in having an abortion if she generally is upset with the prospect of having a child and is in a situation where the 'parent' is young / in an unstable relationship / unstable life in general. An abortion is no different than a condom and morning after pill, it serves the same purpose and prevents the same thing, the only difference is the time from the conception that the prevention takes place. One is instantaneous, another is hours and the third is weeks. People who believe abortion is wrong but the other things are fine or that abortion is only fine in cases of rape are morally bankrupt and should always be treated with the upmost contempt.
Beyond 24 weeks I believe abortion should only be allowed where there is a clear and distinct threat to the mothers life. Otherwise no abortion should be allowed, simple as that.
I believe in the sanctity of life - probably for completely different reasons than the traditional Christians believe in it, but never mind - and thus I do not want any human to die, but the fact is pre 24 weeks no human does and beyond 24 weeks I would not allow it. Luckily my country agrees with me and that is how the law stands.
Have fun.
Divinus Arma
08-06-2005, 22:44
Ha ~:) still some school left :dizzy2:
Don't worry. You'll be doing push ups, swabbing the head, and painting rocks in no time.
I always find it amusing how men can come down on abortion so firmly. Your never going to have to deal with it, so it's not your place to say whether it should be right or wrong. It should be up to the people are going to have to deal it(IE women).
Don Corleone
08-06-2005, 23:30
I don't have to deal with the heroin trade either, but I feel I have a right to declare it immoral. I've made my views known many times. Nothing new to add.
As well as the point Don made to your remark Lars, just because men won't experience the operation itself, it does not mean they can be every bit as much involved and effected by a decision and govt policy either way in terms of abortion.
Papewaio
08-06-2005, 23:39
I believe in post natal abortion of terrorists and L33t speakers... ~;)
Gawain of Orkeny
08-07-2005, 00:50
Lets take this thread in another less talked about direction
I always find it amusing how men can come down on abortion so firmly. Your never going to have to deal with it, so it's not your place to say whether it should be right or wrong.
The man is just as needed as the woman to produce a child. Im sick and tired of them having no rights or say about this. Like your just a sperm donor. Its no wonder men have come to not want to pay child support and the like. Where are our equal rights here? Were jusy good to produce the sperm and then pay for the raising of the child. Maybe if your lucky you will get visitation rights.
I don't have to deal with the heroin trade either, but I feel I have a right to declare it immoral. I've made my views known many times. Nothing new to add.Indeed, you don't have to be directly involved with something to be able to have a valid opinion on it. It's like the people that say if you're not in the army you can't have a say in foreign policy.
The man is just as needed as the woman to produce a child. Im sick and tired of them having no rights or say about this. Like your just a sperm donor. Its no wonder men have come to not want to pay child support and the like. Where are our equal rights here? Were jusy good to produce the sperm and then pay for the raising of the child. Maybe if your lucky you will get visitation rights.
True but there is at least a 270 day gap after said sperm donation where we as men have no avenue for input or control of what goes on in reproduction. Realistically men have only about 10% involvment in the actual reproduction, the fun part. ~;) Women do 90% of the work in baby making. Once the wee one comes out the chute it becomes child rearing something else all together.
Male reproductive rights are a joke. Imagine if the law allowed a man to force his significant other to have an abortion. Just thinking about it seems very wrong. Now as to male parental rights that is a whole other thread. Once a child is born a mans responsibility and there fore input goes from 10% to 50%.
I don't have to deal with the heroin trade either, but I feel I have a right to declare it immoral. I've made my views known many times. Nothing new to add.
Actually you do have to deal with the heroin trade. Your paying for the judicial system that seeks out and procecutes the heroin trade. It affects the society in which you live, very directly. So you are quite involved with it. How ever you having an opinion on the reproductive choices of persons that aren't in your life is not valid.
As well as the point Don made to your remark Lars, just because men won't experience the operation itself, it does not mean they can be every bit as much involved and effected by a decision and govt policy either way in terms of abortion.
Unless it affects you and your personally you have no right to make broad condemnations.
Red Harvest
08-07-2005, 04:54
I believe in post natal abortion of terrorists and L33t speakers... ~;)
I prefer the term "retro-active abortion."
Gawain of Orkeny
08-07-2005, 08:03
Realistically men have only about 10% involvment in the actual reproduction, the fun part. Women do 90% of the work in baby making. Once the wee one comes out the chute it becomes child rearing something else all together.
And men are expected to pay for it whether they see the child or not.
Women do 90% of the work in baby making
Your obviously no stud. I know I always do 90% of the work when Im having sex. ~D
Male reproductive rights are a joke. Imagine if the law allowed a man to force his significant other to have an abortion.
Now theres a twist. No abortions should be allowed without the knowledge and preferably the consent of both parents. In fact neither should be able to abort it. Again theres the case of the guy who went to jail for life helping his GF abort their babt while she got off scott free. There is no equality of justice in these matters. The courts almost always are biased towards women.
swirly_the_toilet_fish
08-07-2005, 08:21
And men are expected to pay for it whether they see the child or not.
Your obviously no stud. I know I always do 90% of the work when Im having sex. ~D
Now theres a twist. No abortions should be allowed without the knowledge and preferably the consent of both parents. In fact neither should be able to abort it. Again theres the case of the guy who went to jail for life helping his GF abort their babt while she got off scott free. There is no equality of justice in these matters. The courts almost always are biased towards women.
My wife works hard enough putting up with me and my childish fun when we're home together. I always do 90% of the work. :laugh4:
Second, that is because they are the minority within the United States, despite being about 60% of the population.
I believe that before the 24 week mark, the creation no more resembles a flower than it does a human.
And yes it does reside in a woman's body but who deals with the mood swings, late night cravings, the trips, the shopping, the everything else while "she needs to sit and relax"? Whether her father, boyfriend, or husband, the men do.
However men shouldn't have absolute rights over the parasitical lifeform, nor should the women.
This is such a damn split issue, none of this really matters. The only thing I completely disagree with on this topic are the extremists who resort to killings to make their point that "life is precious."
'Yeah, nice job wasting those ten women. Oh yeah, that's right. I meant those twenty lives.'
King Henry V
08-07-2005, 10:56
If the mother doesn't want the baby, she can always give it up for adoption. Simple.
Don Corleone
08-07-2005, 13:54
Actually you do have to deal with the heroin trade. Your paying for the judicial system that seeks out and procecutes the heroin trade. It affects the society in which you live, very directly. So you are quite involved with it. How ever you having an opinion on the reproductive choices of persons that aren't in your life is not valid.
That's indirect contact, not direct, and I have plenty of indirect contact in the abortion procedure, using your line or reasoning. I have to pay for the procedure (if the mother uses Medicaid, government health for the poor you all claim doesn't exist in America), I have to pay for the psychological counseling either way, I have to pay for the child support if the mother goes on welfare & food stamps. I have a lot more riding on a woman having an abortion than I do a guy dealing heroin in the street.
If the mother doesn't want the baby, she can always give it up for adoption. Simple.
Far from simple, and more cruel than abortion. Unmaking a baby causes less pain than adoption ever does.
Your obviously no stud. I know I always do 90% of the work when Im having sex.
My wife works hard enough putting up with me and my childish fun when we're home together. I always do 90% of the work.
Your both confusing reproduction on a whole with conception. Sex is about 10% of reproduction. That's why men only have about a 10% role in baby making. It's also why I called it the fun part.
Now theres a twist. No abortions should be allowed without the knowledge and preferably the consent of both parents. In fact neither should be able to abort it. Again theres the case of the guy who went to jail for life helping his GF abort their babt while she got off scott free. There is no equality of justice in these matters. The courts almost always are biased towards women.
That's because of sexism. The legal system is still set up that women can do no wrong. That men force them into these situations. Withouy knowing the whole deal it could be that woman tried to use a lasso baby on the guy. You know what I mean this sort of senario, woman; "Honey I'm pregnant" man; *stunned silence* woman; "Well what do you think?". Now here is where things can go different ways. The response the woman wants is "Shit your pregnant! we gotta get married". But there is also an equal chance of "Shit you gotta get an abortion now, I'm totally not ready for this."
Gawain of Orkeny
08-07-2005, 16:26
Far from simple, and more cruel than abortion. Unmaking a baby causes less pain than adoption ever does.
How the hell would you know? Im sure this isnt so for the baby.
Your both confusing reproduction on a whole with conception. Sex is about 10% of reproduction. That's why men only have about a 10% role in baby making. It's also why I called it the fun part.
That baby is just as much mine as hers. Yet I haver no rights other than to pay for it. If you dont think it helps a woman when pregnat to have a supportive male around your clueless. Im sure any of us who have gone through putting up with them in this condition will back me up. Dont try to give me this crap she does all the work.
That's because of sexism. The legal system is still set up that women can do no wrong.
So then you agree with me.
The response the woman wants is "Shit your pregnant! we gotta get married". But there is also an equal chance of "Shit you gotta get an abortion now, I'm totally not ready for this."
Equal chance? What world are you living in where half the people would choose to abort their babies?
bmolsson
08-07-2005, 17:00
Sigh..... Sitting on high horses is so simple when you are on the net....
Al Khalifah
08-07-2005, 21:47
Actually you do have to deal with the heroin trade. Your paying for the judicial system that seeks out and procecutes the heroin trade. It affects the society in which you live, very directly. So you are quite involved with it. How ever you having an opinion on the reproductive choices of persons that aren't in your life is not valid.
Are abortions not provided on the National Health Service? Therefore I am paying for them and - by your argument - I should have a say in them.
I'd prefer not to go down this alley of, because I paid taxes for something I feel entitled to a say in it. I paid road tax this year, it doesn't mean I decide where roads are built. I pay income tax that builds prisons, it doesn't mean that if convicted I can demand a plasma screen TV in my cell.
How the hell would you know? Im sure this isnt so for the baby.
A ten week old fetus is not a person, it feels nothing. Adoption however brings pain and misery. Not always but it leaves a mark on you your whole life.
That baby is just as much mine as hers. Yet I haver no rights other than to pay for it. If you dont think it helps a woman when pregnat to have a supportive male around your clueless. Im sure any of us who have gone through putting up with them in this condition will back me up. Dont try to give me this crap she does all the work.
Sure a baby is, but a fetus is not a baby. And you only have no say and only monetary responsibilities if your not pair bonded with the childs mother.
So then you agree with me.
That child custody laws and practises are extremely biased towards women by default. The whole kid belongs with his mother mentality, yes. About aboption never.
Equal chance? What world are you living in where half the people would choose to abort their babies?
If the woman felt the need to spring a lasso baby on the guy, he must have been real gun shy about commitment. Even if it was an oops baby, the guy obviously reacted the wrong. In reproductive decisions men only have a right to a consultative role. No matter how much we fuss and fume the decision is ultimately the womans and not ours.
Oh how exciting, another abortion thread. There hasn't been one of these for at least a week. I always really enjoy the discord they cause and the way they never change anybody's mind. If I was a mod I'd lock the thread now, just to save time. :help:
Gawain of Orkeny
08-08-2005, 02:33
A ten week old fetus is not a person, it feels nothing. Adoption however brings pain and misery. Not always but it leaves a mark on you your whole life.
Are you sure about that. What is it a lizard? Its human and its alive. Thats good enough for me to care about it. Ask any woman who had a misscarriage at this point if that wasnt her baby.
Sure a baby is, but a fetus is not a baby
And a baby is not a fully developed human either.
And you only have no say and only monetary responsibilities if your not pair bonded with the childs mother.
Pair bonded. Is this some new form of marriage? Why should she get the kid and me the expenses?
In reproductive decisions men only have a right to a consultative role. No matter how much we fuss and fume the decision is ultimately the womans and not ours.
Thats the way it is but its doesnt make it right. What ever happened to gender discrimination?
Are you sure about that. What is it a lizard? Its human and its alive. Thats good enough for me to care about it. Ask any woman who had a misscarriage at this point if that wasnt her baby.
And a baby is not a fully developed human either.
It's not alive, not yet. Life to me is the ability to function on it's own, which a baby can do and a fetus can't. Life is a quirk of chemistry. When we die it takes weeks for all of our cells to cease to function. And that is all a fetus is cells.
Pair bonded. Is this some new form of marriage? Why should she get the kid and me the expenses?
Pair bonding is marriage. Always has been. It's the scientific term for the final stage of human courtship rituals. Marriage is not nessiary for child rearing. If "god" had intended us to marry we would need to do it before we could procreate.
Thats the way it is but its doesnt make it right. What ever happened to gender discrimination?
Nothing happened to it we were just told to ignore the man behind the curtain for so long that we do.
I find abortion pretty repellent... but I couldn't justify a blanket policy on it.
I find it equally repellent that old white men have the power to dictate the terms.
PanzerJaeger
08-08-2005, 04:27
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
"Abortion is advocated only by persons who have themselves been born."
Talk about speaking the blooming obvious. The quote is completely meaningless and displays no brains and light on the subject at all.
It highlights the sheer hipocrisy of the pro-abortion movement. These people would not even exist to promote abortion if the practice had been done to them. ~;)
Papewaio
08-08-2005, 04:35
It highlights the sheer hipocrisy of the pro-abortion movement. These people would not even exist to promote abortion if the practice had been done to them. ~;)
Well then I take it you are against murder and killing of all forms because if it had been done to you you would not exist.
Also you must be against pollution, because if you happened to live in say a bay full of mercury (japan) you would be dead or deformed.
Also you must be against nuclear weapons, guns, knives etc because if they had been used against you then you would not exist either...
Just a general generalisation, which of course generates such generally general results which are generally due to their generality not entirely useful.
PanzerJaeger
08-08-2005, 04:43
That was a pretty desperate attempt at relativity.
Well then I take it you are against murder and killing of all forms because if it had been done to you you would not exist.
I dont support murder.. I also dont support unneccessary killing, which is the essense of abortion.
Your other examples dont even make sense.
I don't think "hypocrisy" is an appropriate term.
Pro-abortionists had no sway over their own birth.
PanzerJaeger
08-08-2005, 05:28
Why do they have sway over another person's then?
Why do they have sway over another person's then?
They don't, that's the whole point. Only the parents should have any say, not me, not you, not the guv.
BTW its not murder unless the fetus could survive on its own.
ichi :bow:
bmolsson
08-08-2005, 05:58
And a baby is not a fully developed human either.
But he is an American citizen if born on US soil..... ~:grouphug:
Gawain of Orkeny
08-08-2005, 07:31
But he is an American citizen if born on US soil.
For the moment. ~;)
It's not alive,
Now not only isnt it human its not alive either. Did you take biology?
Kanamori
08-08-2005, 08:05
Adoption however brings pain and misery. Not always but it leaves a mark on you your whole life.
That's rubbish. One of my best friends was put up for adoption, rather than being aborted. He is thankful that his genetic mother stuck it through to give him away to someone that could deal with the huge responsibility then. To him, it doesn't even become like he is unwanted or worthless; his adoptive parents are his real parents, as far as he is concerned, and they obviously care for him.
Byzantine Prince
08-08-2005, 08:20
The truth is that there is little point in DEBATING this. Let me explain based on what I've noticed.
Ok so one believes that fetus is a person the other doesn't. And then both sides repeat that what they think is true and that the consequences of the opposite are dire. This is what I don't get! Who cares what the other person wants to think! There is only one truth! If you are absolutely convinced of something this unprovable, without having university education in medicine, why bother trying to convince someone else when you yourself don't have hard evidence to support your own claim.
The real issue is societal overindulgence. I don't think people whould be randomly having sex with whoever. That is wrong(for the reliigous out there) and illogical, simple as that. This wouldn't be an issue if people would behave properly. I know it's ironic, but I finally have come to my senses. ~D
Don Corleone
08-08-2005, 15:38
They don't, that's the whole point. Only the parents should have any say, not me, not you, not the guv.
BTW its not murder unless the fetus could survive on its own.
ichi :bow:
Unless it could, and then it's still not murder. Week 39... still not human!!!
King Henry V
08-09-2005, 13:41
[QUOTE=lars573]A ten week old fetus is not a person, it feels nothing. Adoption however brings pain and misery. Not always but it leaves a mark on you your whole life.
So your saying that being born and adopted (in Europe there are very few babies up for adoption, and many more people unable to have children and wanting to adopt), is worse than not having any sort of life at all. ~:confused:
Don Corleone
08-09-2005, 14:32
Well, speaking as somebody who was adopted, it's much less painful than having your skull punctured and your brain sucked out.
So your saying that being born and adopted (in Europe there are very few babies up for adoption, and many more people unable to have children and wanting to adopt), is worse than not having any sort of life at all. ~:confused:
Yes.
scooter_the_shooter
08-09-2005, 15:09
BS I know a girl that is adopted and she is just as normal as every one else.
And I know a guy that is adopted, He is in all the advance classes the debate team etc (real smart guy)
I dont see anything wrong with them, I am pretty sure if I asked them if they wanted to be aborted they'd say no and then slap/punch me!
I always find it amusing how men can come down on abortion so firmly. Your never going to have to deal with it, so it's not your place to say whether it should be right or wrong. It should be up to the people are going to have to deal it(IE women).
oh god... you want to make a point of who has to deal with abortion? ill tell you who has to deal with it, THE BABY WHOS LIFE HAS BEEN TERMINATED BY A SELFISH MOTHER. they are the real victims here, if ANYONE here had a choice, a choice to live or do die, regardless of your situation, EVERYONE would chose to live. A child you do not abort will forver love you, and grow into something special. who are we to deny ayone that right to LIFE.
A ten week old fetus is not a person, it feels nothing. Adoption however brings pain and misery. Not always but it leaves a mark on you your whole life.
a ten week old foetus will become a human, a person a being, regardless, and who is to say that a 10 week old doesnt have its own soul, its own essence already? A human has to grow from something, and that something is almost nothing, 2 single cells infact that when merged create the miracle of life. A ten week old foetus is as much a person as a 20 year old, they have all that life in front of them, and they WILL have it, unless their life is cut short somehow, be it and accident or MURDER (taking life with intent in this case)
like i said, would you rather live or die? ask yourself this before even chosing to abort a baby
A baby is living. A baby is a human. Why do some of you want to kill them?
"The baby won´t feel anything! It doesn´t know we kill him/her!! It doesn´t even know it´s alive!!"
This seems to be the best argument for many while debating abortion.
Well, you don´t feel anything if I first knock you unconscious and then kill you with a bullet in your head, do you? Is then the killing justified because you didn´t feel it?
Braindead people doesn´t feel pain or know what happens if we execute them. Shall it be legal to kill these?
So many are against killing pedophiles and murdurers. What I don´t get is why those people think it is totaly ok to kill a baby. What happened to the humanity?
scooter_the_shooter
08-09-2005, 16:02
wow!!! every time I read one of your post I agree with you Alrowan
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but after reading this
who are we to deny ayone that right to LIFE.
Are you for the death penalty?
wow!!! every time I read one of your post I agree with you Alrowan
OT
but after reading this
Are you for the death penalty?
OT
i dont believe in the death penalty, perhaps its because im a christian and believe in forgivness of others, and the chance that somone can change and contribute to this world. the death penalty like abortion is murder
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Well at least your consistant. Bespite buying the fairy tales of a backward middle eastern cult.
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Well at least your consistant. Bespite buying the fairy tales of a backward middle eastern cult.
^
personal attack eh??
not the first time :p
back to topic i says
Don Corleone
08-09-2005, 16:25
Lars,
As you seem to be some sort of expert on the pain that aborted fetuses/babies feel, I have some questions for you... if a 38 week old fetus feels no pain, and by eviscerating and vaccuuming it out of it's mother's cervix you're actually doing it a favor, why do they administer painkillers? For that matter, why do they administer painkillers to the baby/fetus (is it in or out of the uterus) during a C-section delivery? Why does the fetus move away from the abortionists scalpel after the first few cuts?
What exactly is your medical training that you feel qualified to make such statements?
Don Corleone
08-09-2005, 16:27
Also Lars, would you kindly share the research you have performed or found online that led you to the conclusion that aborting a 3rd trimester fetus causes it less pain then being born and adopted out? I was really surprised to learn that I'm the only adopted child out there that has grown up to prefer having been born, and I'd like to get some of the research methods under my belt. My curiousity is piqued, and I'd like to learn what is unique about my psyche that I actually felt less pain with the adoption process then the abortion process (and prefer the former over the latter, even in light of the agony of having been adopted).
I guess I'm just human waste that doesn't know it would have been better off with a scalpel to the skull and having my brains vaccuumed out, and I'm trying to get on the right page...
A 38 week old fetues is a person, it can feel pain. If it came out it would have a 80/20 chance of survival. A ten week old fetus is not a person, if it came out it has a 0 chance of survival. It's more of an egg than an ovum cell. As for medical training, I have none. But I'd like to see your credentials. What I do have is the statements not 1 but 3 or 4 doctors and biologists directly and accepted medical theory about the devlopment of a human fetus. They state that a 10 week old fetus feels nothing as it has no nerves to feel with, where as a 38 week old fetus does and can feel. As for a soul, I beleive that dosen't come in until we are born. Why Because I don't believe that our souls and minds are seperate things.
Also if you have been abopted you have my simpathy, a sad life that is.
^
personal attack eh??
not the first time :p
back to topic i says
Personal attack no, I was taking a swipe at christians in general. It's what I think of the religion as a whole.
Also if you have been abopted you have my simpathy, a sad life that is.
ouch...
man talk about discrimination!!
life is life, an adopted child is a child with a chance at living, living in a place where they are loved and cared for, that was just too low
Gawain of Orkeny
08-09-2005, 17:04
Also if you have been abopted you have my simpathy, a sad life that is
My sympathy is for you. Anyone who has such an unsubstantiated opinion is in need of it. I will bet you there are thousands of adopted chidren who in almost everyway are better off then you. Alrovan could well be one of them. Its not he that needs your sympathy but you his.
im not adopted, but i know several people who are some friends included, and i also know of several families with adopted children, and they count each one as a blessing
Gawain of Orkeny
08-09-2005, 17:20
Sorry Alro I should have said Don.
Ser Clegane
08-09-2005, 17:34
Also if you have been abopted you have my simpathy, a sad life that is.
That seem to me like a rather uninformed statement. What exactly makes you think that the life of an adopted child would be sad?
In my experience people who adopt children are more often than not very caring parents as they usually made a very conscious choice to raise children - something that cannot be said about a lot of "natural" parents.
I am not adopted, but I see no reason why an adopted child should not be as happy as any other child ~:confused:
Don Corleone
08-09-2005, 18:34
Well, I can't honestly compare my life with what it would have been like had I not been adopted, as I've only lived one life. I will say, in the words of Joe Walsh "Life's been good to me so far". My father and I are closer than most adult fathers & sons, and the fact that we aren't genetically related almost never enters my mind. I'm not trying to start a pity party, because if anything, I've been spoiled. I just cannot imagine how you make statements like that. You must not have met anyone who's been adopted.
As for when a fetus begins to feel pain, or is viable, that's one side of the issue. But abortion isn't about 10 weeks, or 20 weeks. You can get abortions up until week 39. Because of this, you're not allowed to refer to what's in the woman's uterus at 39 weeks as a baby (invokes humanity). You have to call it a fetus. According to you, it is perfectly okay to carve up and vaccuum out a fetus. Therego, you must be supporting 3rd trimester abortions. I've always been curious about how people who do (and somebody, besides the aboritonist who's getting rich must) justify this process.
Nice to know my preconceptions of such an individual weren't all that far off the mark.
Also if you have been abopted you have my simpathy, a sad life that is.
My friend is adopted. His father is on a hospital for mental sickness and his mother is dead. But he is doing fine, work hard at scholl. How the HELL do you know he has a sad life now, without his maniac father!? :help:
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