Lost - Your opinion [Archive]

Meneldil

08-08-2005, 17:36

The series has started 2 months ago in France, and although I usually hate the series we can watch every summers, I think this one is really great.

The characters are all interesting. Some looks like people we would never meet in real life (John Locke, Jack, Sawyer), but there are also some who at fist appear to be really 'lambda' people (Hurley, the star wars geek, Shannon, the annoying little b****).

Actually, I think I'll turn mad if I don't understand wtf is happening on this island in the next saturday 3 episodes.

What's your opinion about this series ?

If there's already a topic about Lost, sorry, but I found nothing with the search option

Dutch_guy

08-08-2005, 17:43

yes , I've been following the series closely- and I really like it.
In fact it's the only serie I've been following in a really long time...

In Holland it'll be on the tv again in about 3 weeks -I think, so I will deffinatley watch it again.

:balloon2:

Steppe Merc

08-08-2005, 17:45

I love Lost. My favorite TV series ever. I can't wait until the next season starts. Don't expect to many answers, though at the end there are some.
My favorite characters are Hurley, Charlie, Sawyer, and Locke is very... intersting. Jack is too bossy. Oh, and I like Kate... ~:cool:

Sigurd

08-08-2005, 17:55

3 episodes on one night? I guess France is catching up to the series’ season 2 which starts 21st of September this year.
I can say it is the one show I followed earlier this year. That is until I regretfully missed an episode and had to download it from the Internet.
What to say? Disney sure knows how to make TV…

Sjakihata

08-08-2005, 18:24

What is Lost? I am.

Steppe Merc

08-08-2005, 19:16

It's a great show about 41 (or so) people who crash land on a wierd ass island. The great part is, every episode they have flashbacks for one of the character to help explain how he/she is there, and why he/she is how they are.

Dutch_guy

08-08-2005, 19:25

yeah that's about it , I really wonder what the next episodes are about...
since they already dedicated an episode to all of the main characters ...

:balloon2:

Aurelian

08-08-2005, 19:42

I love "Lost" too. It's in re-runs in the US right now, but my girlfriend still has it on religiously every week. Great characters, interesting, original, overall great show.

By the way, where are you guys (plotwise) in France (and elsewhere)? Just wondering because I don't want to give anything away that you haven't seen yet. ~:)

master of the puppets

08-08-2005, 19:50

so you people (at least not the americans) don't know who dies?
how shocking (sarcasm) mabey i should eas your pain and reveal the end of the series...

Dutch_guy

08-08-2005, 20:10

well in Holland we're at the part where a loty of the characters ( all of them maybe ? ) have had their episode.
The last one was IIRC where Boon got his episode...but that's what I think , Kind of forgot where we were.

:balloon2:

Meneldil

08-08-2005, 20:15

By the way, where are you guys (plotwise) in France (and elsewhere)? Just wondering because I don't want to give anything away that you haven't seen yet. ~:)

In France, I think we just had the episodes #19, 20 and 21 saturday.
The last one title is "Do no harm" in english.

And yeah, John Locke is awesome. If I wasn't supposed to turn into a Ninja later (cause they have the ultimate power), I would probably turn into a John Locke.

My only complain is Jack, this guy is just too good. I guess they had to have some charismatic and smart hunk to lead the band.

Now, I'm quite annoyed because I missed episodes 1,2,3 and 13, 14, 15. Hopefully, I'll find them on the net. Otherwise, I'll wait for the soon-to-be-released DVD.

Kongamato

08-08-2005, 21:54

Alrowan

08-09-2005, 02:21

I've seen bits and pieces of this show. I have this theory(not a spoiler, just a guess) that they are all in either purgatory or hell. I remember reading about a play that had a group of castaways learning they were in hell. Maybe that idea was used.

ive actually heard that theory as well, seem popular

BTW in aus the last episode was the one where they were fighting for places to get on the raft

Steppe Merc

08-09-2005, 02:30

Dutch_guy, each character gets multiple spotlights. We still don't know a whole lot about them, really. Just bits and pieces. And I think there are going to be more characters introduced (well, still castaways, but we've never seen them before, or only in passing).

Menedil, Jack gets less annoying as time goes on, but I agree with you. I much prefer Sawyer's asshole swagger, or Kate's in the middleness.

R'as al Ghul

08-10-2005, 11:16

Lost is captivating and addictive.
I've seen all episodes.

The biggest riddle seems to evolve around the numbers.
The numbers that Hurley won the Lottery with, the numbers that appear
on the hatch etc. It seems that every single number of these is connected
to or has a special meaning for the characters.
Also, what about the child that was born on the island (white) and the young black boy?
Do you remember when the mother of the newborn baby (can't remember any names atm)
went to this religiously motivated "fortune teller" ? He told her that her child would be something
special and would need protection from evil. Locke explains the difference of black and white
when teaching the black boy backgammon. There've been a lot of other references to black and white
and dark and light etc.
Is this about the devil's son and a new messiah battling it out? Too far fetched?

Btw, the respective boards are a mess.
Millions of "How sweet is Boon"-threads.

Sigurd

08-10-2005, 11:24

so you people (at least not the americans) don't know who dies?
how shocking (sarcasm) mabey i should eas your pain and reveal the end of the series...
Don't flatter yourself...
We are all in the same boat (yeah, that includes Americans) waiting for season 2 to start this September.

[edit]: It seems you can flatter yourself a little, reading the posts after yours it becomes obvious that not all of the European nations have aired all of season 1.
Maybe they are re-runs?

R'as al Ghul

08-10-2005, 12:55

[edit]: It seems you can flatter yourself a little, reading the posts after yours it becomes obvious that not all of the European nations have aired all of season 1.
Maybe they are re-runs?

In Germany they started when the US-season was almost finished and it's still running.
Scandinavian countries get those programs earlier because they seldom synchronize.
England will also get them pretty early.
I think only the US stations are doing re-runs of the season yet.

~:cheers:

Es Arkajae

08-10-2005, 14:09

I stopped watching when I realised that it had become a soapie promising big each week but failing to deliver anything concrete.

I also grew disillusioned when I found out that the writers don't even know the ending, they're making it up as they go.

Meh, I've got nothing against the acting or directing and some of the inner-stories and their telling is good stuff, but I lost interest with the show after a while.

Radier

08-10-2005, 15:55

I love Lost. Watched ten episodes in one day ~:cheers: And then I watched them again with the family.

And I havn´t got a clue what the numbers are... Maybee everything just is an experiment or a dream? Can´t wait to find out. ~:)

Steppe Merc

08-11-2005, 01:53

I officially hate ABC. The way they are doing reruns suck. I mean, they were going all in order, then went from episode 9, skipped 10, and went to 11 last week. This week, it's the 14th episode. What? Cancel all that stupid reality crap, and show us all of the reruns!
I can't wait for the DVD...

Sigurd

08-11-2005, 10:33

I can't wait for the DVD...Which brings us to an important question. What do you guys think of downloading TV-episodes from the internet?
Would it be different from taping the show when it is broadcasted?

Ianofsmeg16

08-11-2005, 10:47

R'as al Ghul

08-11-2005, 10:53

Which brings us to an important question. What do you guys think of downloading TV-episodes from the internet?
Would it be different from taping the show when it is broadcasted?

It depends.
If you're American, have HDTV and a digital recorder you
can make an excellent digital recording. This is as legal as
recording on VHS-tape. If you happen to miss the air-date and download the episode, I don't see that you're doing something illegal. You're only
using a different source for something you could've done yourself.

Another example would be if you're English and the BBC, which you pay for
as a british citizen, broadcasts something. In that case I'd argue that it's
public property of all British citizens. (Same goes for German puplic TV.)

If you're Scandinavian or German and download American TV episodes right
after they aired in the US....well that's illegal I'm afraid.

~:cheers:

The Blind King of Bohemia

08-11-2005, 10:53

I watched all 3 (Thank you E4!) and I must say I'm hooked. Great show! I'll probably import the DVD set from America when it comes out in September. That way I get to watch it months earlier and without the breaks.

R'as al Ghul

08-11-2005, 11:06

England has only just had Lost on their tv's last night, with two episodes airing on Channel 4 while afterwards a spoiler episode was shown on channel 4's other chanel E4...and might i say it was brilliant! so what the hell is that monstr thing and why was there a polar bear on the Island? tell me tell me i dont care about spoilers
:)

The polar bear is not explained in the first season. (It's not impossible, though, just think of polar bears in zoos in warm countries)
The monster is not explained either but you will get more hints at what it might be.
Spoiler:
There're several encounters with the monster. You never really see it, though.
Locke survives at least one encounter, after which he develops a strange connection
to the island. On a second encounter Jack, Kate, Charlie and Locke first flee from
the monster but then realise that Locke is lagging behind. Jack returns to Locke to
find him struggling with something. They discover that the monster obviously leaves or moves
through subterranean walkways. Combined with the thick cable running into the sea and
the hatch they find it suggests that it may be a machine.

Ianofsmeg16

08-11-2005, 11:15

Sweet, thanks, do American DVDs work on Uk DVD players cos i might just import it ;)

R'as al Ghul

08-11-2005, 12:30

Sweet, thanks, do American DVDs work on Uk DVD players cos i might just import it ;)
Yes, they do.

Here's a pic of the monster:

http://img264.echo.cx/img264/9515/enhanceeyes7aj.jpg
It's smoke. Some people see faces in there.
In one of the last episodes of the 1. season some pirates appear.
Some people say that these faces resemble the pirates.

Btw,
here're the numbers I mentioned: 4 8 15 16 23 42

Steppe Merc

08-11-2005, 17:42

I record the Lost episodes on my digital recordor that comes with the my cable (sort of like a poor man's TIVO). Can't say that I'd ever want to watch it on my tiny computer screen when I can watch it on my Plasma TV, however. ~;)

Axeknight

08-11-2005, 20:22

Huh. All the TV page reviews over here said it was rubbish

Sigurd

08-11-2005, 21:01

It depends.
If you're American, have HDTV and a digital recorder you
can make an excellent digital recording. This is as legal as
recording on VHS-tape. If you happen to miss the air-date and download the episode, I don't see that you're doing something illegal. You're only
using a different source for something you could've done yourself.

Another example would be if you're English and the BBC, which you pay for
as a british citizen, broadcasts something. In that case I'd argue that it's
public property of all British citizens. (Same goes for German puplic TV.)

If you're Scandinavian or German and download American TV episodes right
after they aired in the US....well that's illegal I'm afraid.
~:cheers:
As a Scandinavian I downloaded an episode that I missed when it was aired here in Norway (we were only a couple of episodes behind the US in season 1). Was that illegal? If not, at which point does it become illegal? Which law is broken? Distributing material that has been broadcasted, is that really illegal?

Steppe Merc

08-11-2005, 23:22

Axeknight, in that case either Mannish (is that right? Probably not), or British(who ever wrote it) tv reviewers are fools.

R'as al Ghul

08-12-2005, 09:48

As a Scandinavian I downloaded an episode that I missed when it was aired here in Norway (we were only a couple of episodes behind the US in season 1). Was that illegal? If not, at which point does it become illegal? Which law is broken? Distributing material that has been broadcasted, is that really illegal?

It's a grey area.
Currently we've a war going on between the record and film industry on the one hand
and the programmers of p2p software and their users on the other hand. The media industry argues that
since the content of p2p networks can hardly be surveilled and is used to distribute copyrighted material.
The p2p lobby argues that providing the technology is not a crime, filesharing helps to distribute open
source material and, contrary to the industry's claims, p2p networks actually increase the amount of
legally bought material and its market value by increasing its popularity.
The main focus of the media industry was initially on Music (Napster, Kazaa). When technology
improved and transmission of larger files became feasible, the crusade against p2p started to include
Movies.
The sharing of TV-series was overlooked for a long time. It seems the industry jsut only realized
how much series are shared a few months ago. When they did they forced a few sites off the net.
The fair use argument in one of my above posts is dismissed by the industry because it's impossible to
reduce sharing to a certain group of "authorized" people.
In your case it means that yes, it was illegal to download that file. That is from a perspective of a lawyer
of the film/ movie industry. They would argue that their copyright was infringed.
You could argue that the episode had been aired anyway and that you easily could have made a digital copy
if you hadn't missed it. In both cases you would own a digital copy.
See the proplem here? (Btw, I've no idea how Norway handles it. In Russia you've allofmp3.com where
you can get almost any music for very little money. Copyright doesn't really exist in Russia and
other states are quite pissed that there's no possiblity to stop the Russians)

It's my personal opinion that we, as consumers, finance the broadcasted series. As soon as it's aired
it becomes public property of the consumers. For me there's no point in waiting for the free-tv-premiere
which is badly syncronized, when I can get the original format, enjoy it and improve my english.

So, the industry generally sees p2p sharing as illegal, different nations have different copyright regulations, or
none at all. Concerning the fair use argument, downloading is illegal when the respective program has not
been broadcasted in your country. In case of other files you need an original in your possession before
you're allowed to download a digital copy of it. And even then......

Taurus

08-12-2005, 13:03

Watched three episodes of it the other night and it looks pretty cool. ~:cheers:

Meneldil

08-13-2005, 15:38

Ianofsmeg16

08-13-2005, 15:44

Axeknight, in that case either Mannish (is that right? Probably not), or British(who ever wrote it) tv reviewers are fools.
Manx... ~D
I didnt read any of the reviews but most people i've talked to loved the program...hmmmmm

R'as al Ghul

08-13-2005, 15:49

3 episodes later today. I think these are the last ones from the 1st season, but I may be wrong. I've never seen the smoke monster (only the huge polar bear), but from that spoiler-pic, I clearly see faces in the smoke.

And sure the numbers are important, as Hurley and Rousseau said.

The last episode is a double-feature called "Exodus".
The screenshot is from that episode.

Have they launched the raft yet?

Meneldil

08-13-2005, 18:11

Manx... ~D

That sounds kinda abokasix-ish ~;)

The last episode is a double-feature called "Exodus".
The screenshot is from that episode.

Have they launched the raft yet?

If so, we might only have 2 episodes today, and the 2 last ones next week. Oh god that would sucks. :embarassed:

Ianofsmeg16

08-13-2005, 18:16

That sounds kinda abokasix-ish ~;)
I'm Being serious, that is how you say a person from the isle of man
Manx
Manx Flag, Manx Language, Manx Broth.......
on topic, is lost in the UK going to feature every week?

The Blind King of Bohemia

08-13-2005, 21:23

Yeah, 10pm on Channel 4 with the following episode at 11 on E4.

Sigurd

08-13-2005, 21:31

@ Ra’s al Ghul: Thank you for your answers. I take it that you either study law or work in law.

Since it is a grey area I will not loose any sleep over having downloaded a couple of the episodes earlier this spring.
The next morally laden problem would be to wait for the show to air season 2 here, while episodes week after week are uploaded to the torrent communities.

I think the copyright laws in Scandinavia could be more lenient that what is norm of the rest of Europe and certainly US. One of the popular torrent sites which happen to be Scandinavian based (I will not mention its name as that would be to promote a site with piracy content and would be in violation with the forum rules) has not been shut down because it does not violate any laws in the nation in which it is hosted. They make a habit of posting the letters they get about copyright infringement and the site’s written replies. I am sure we are dealing with loopholes here.

R'as al Ghul

08-14-2005, 09:57

@ Ra’s al Ghul: Thank you for your answers. I take it that you either study law or work in law.

Well,no. ~:) It's actually media-science with focus on internet-technologies
like p2p, search-engines, open-source etc.

Since it is a grey area I will not loose any sleep over having downloaded a couple of the episodes earlier this spring.
The next morally laden problem would be to wait for the show to air season 2 here, while episodes week after week are uploaded to the torrent communities.

I think the copyright laws in Scandinavia could be more lenient that what is norm of the rest of Europe and certainly US. One of the popular torrent sites which happen to be Scandinavian based (I will not mention its name as that would be to promote a site with piracy content and would be in violation with the forum rules) has not been shut down because it does not violate any laws in the nation in which it is hosted. They make a habit of posting the letters they get about copyright infringement and the site’s written replies. I am sure we are dealing with loopholes here.

The beauty of a p2p network like bittorrent is its decentralized architeture.
It's almost impossible to monitor such a network and find out who
is participating. I won't be loosing sleep about the next season either. ~;)

Actually the big media industries have to face their globalization-backlash
on this level. Can't say I'm having much pity for them.

~:cheers:

Meneldil

08-14-2005, 10:50

Only 2 episodes yesterday, with the first part of Exodus.
Can't wait for the last 2, although I think I won't learn a lot. I hope season 2 will be released fairly soon in Europe

R'as al Ghul

08-14-2005, 11:21

If you're as impatient as me have a look here (http://www.spoilerfix.com/lost.php)

~:cheers:

Axeknight

08-15-2005, 16:31

Axeknight, in that case either Mannish (is that right? Probably not), or British(who ever wrote it) tv reviewers are fools.
Mannish! If only! It's Manx, by the way. and we don't have any TV reviewers ~D

Catiline

08-15-2005, 16:36

Meneldil

08-15-2005, 16:54

Rubbish B movie nonsense, trying to be a neo con allegory for the US.

That's a bit harsh. You can't label it neo con just because the characters learn to live in an island.

Ianofsmeg16

08-15-2005, 19:50

Rubbish B movie nonsense, trying to be a neo con allegory for the US. Lets all rediscover our pioneer spirit. Plus they need to hire a school kid studying GCSE physics to explain what's likely to happen to a plane breaking up at 40000 feet.

Actually my dad works as a planning engineer, and before that he was a technician in the RAF, he said that if strategic nuts and bolts were loose, plus the airframe being stressed (as it gets at 40000ft) the cabin depressuriseses (sp??) and it is eniterly plausable that the back if the aircraft would fall off.
You've got to remember aircraft are fragile little things and if one major thing goes wrong, you are dead and going to a watery grave.
As for "happening to crash into a deserted island" if you just look in a normal atlas at the area of Fiji you will see it is covered in THOUSANDS of tiny islands so it is again plausable that they would crash on a deserted island.
What i do find crap though (a TINY thing, coming from a guy who KNOWS aircraft) the first episode, first scene where the engine explodes, there is no way that engine would've kept running with no feul or starter motor (which needs electricity from the batteries in the nosecone) therefore would not have exploded, a tiny thing, but the only thing i can see to be unplausable
~:cheers:

Catiline

08-15-2005, 20:54

Steppe Merc

08-16-2005, 02:37

Catiline, the survivors do reliaze it. Indeed, one or two begin to believe that the island itself has powers (which would explain their being alive).

_Martyr_

08-16-2005, 03:01

I've recently gotten into the series. Great so far! Reminds me a lot of series one of Twin Peaks! Lets hope that it doesnt follow in the footsteps of TP and follow up a brilliant and original first series with a terrible second!! :bow:

Meneldil

08-16-2005, 10:05

It's more the, 'hey this plane's in bits spread over the jungle, having disintegrated miles up, but what do you know, we're pretty much ok'. I'm not denying that planes break up, more the effect it has on a bunch of squashy humans.

As SteppeMerc said, the fact they're still alive is a part of the mystery. They don't get out of the plane and say "well, we're lucky", they are like "WTF ? How is it possible that we are still alive ?"

Martyr, there are 2 Twin Peaks series ??

The Blind King of Bohemia

08-26-2005, 19:51

Just got the DVD (thanks Movietyme!) about 11 days early, and I'm in the UK! Up to about Episode 7 now and its getting more and more interesting. I'll be finished this by the time the UK are still on Episode 6. Its the best way to go. ~D

Meneldil

08-30-2005, 13:04

Yeah well, you'd better hold your hopes until season II, because the last episodes are crappy ~:handball:
I mean, what the hell ? We don't learn *one* *single* thing. Sure, each episode is cool, but I seriously hope it's not going to turn into yet another endless serie, a la Alias or The Pretender (I've been told there would be at least 5 seasons)

Steppe Merc

08-30-2005, 15:55

Meneldil, we find out what's in the hatch in the begining of the second season. And we sort of find out what the monster is...

Meneldil

08-30-2005, 16:13

Here were are. I waited like 5 episodes, thinking they would finally enter in the hatch, and now I have to wait 2 more months ? Hopefully, season 2 will be as good as the first one.

And the Monster. I was like 'what the hell is that ?', and I thought 'heh, *finally* we're going to have a look at this monster'.

Oh well, I'm going to have a look at that SpoilerFix site ~D

Just saw that season 2 won't be on french TV before June 2006. ~:eek:

Steppe Merc

08-30-2005, 16:19

Oh, well that sucks. ~;)
My theory is that the monster is a machine that is underground. The French lady says there are no monsters, and she calls it a security device.

econ21

08-30-2005, 17:20

I like the series so much, I am afraid to read the rest of this thread in case someone spoils it for me. The UK is only very early into the series - episode 4 or so - and I am sure it's one of those things were the journey is much more fun than the destination.

Meneldil

08-30-2005, 18:35

Yeah, there are a few spoilers in this thread, but nothing too serious. None said that (censored) died in the episode #(censored) because he (censored) and (censored) with (censored), while having a look at (censored) ~D

Steppe Merc

08-30-2005, 19:20

Simon, that's probably for the best, if only to be safer than sorrier. I don't think there is too much that is given away, though there are some things.

The Blind King of Bohemia

09-05-2005, 15:05

Finished watching it on Saturday. Safe to say I am thoroughly hooked - this programme is the best thing on TV since The Sopranos. UK people I urge you all to perservere as it gets even better. Some many questions! Can't wait for Series 2 - it'll probably be out on DVD in the US before we even get Episode 1 of it here!

lars573

09-05-2005, 16:13

I like the show. The "monster" (other than the polar bears) being a smoke cloud or a swarm of insects (which is what i looked like to me) was a neat idea IMO. You'll also notice that all the adult characters have something they are running from.
Clair (pregnant girl)-being a mother
Kate -her past
Jack -his father
Locke -his life
Boon and Shannon -their relationship (their step siblings)
Hurley -his money
Charlie -the rock star life
Sayid -what he was willing to do to find the woman he loved
Jun and Sun (the Korean couple) -Sun's father
Sawyer -that he became the man who killed his parents
Michael -that he dislike being a parent